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Tista
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Posted - 2007.04.07 23:49:00 -
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Right im going to list things wrong with caldari and then list things that make caldari good.. i want you to weigh up the goods and the bads then consider which you think is right or wrong.
my list of bads:
-as a caldari pilot i have schocking issues with fitting ships effectivly. -We have no choice in pvp as we must act in a fleet or suck. -People tend to say that caldari is the PvE race.. where in eve does it state that caldari cant PvP other than the amazingly poor performance of our ships. -sniper race.. in PvP, combat takes place within 20km of the target or they warp automaticly giving all other races an advantage. -With all engineering skills 5 in a raven (our main battleship): i have 9000 sheilds, 6500 capacitor, 6 launcher slots.. with 3 regen rigs and max skills my cap regen is a poor 550 -without multiple BCU II our dps is far below opponent ships. -CCP has nerfed caldari multiple times recently without any boosts putting us behind other races.
Good points in caldari: -We can PvE well and passive tank. -we get choice in damage types -we fire missiles that do the same damage at all ranges (not sure if that is good or bad to be honest)
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.04.07 23:50:00 -
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Wow you are gonna get so flamed for this. I hope you have your flame suit on.
As a caldari pilot, I think you're way off. But that's just me.
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Aldir Rundal
Gallente The Order of Chivalry FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.07 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tista Right im going to list things wrong with caldari and then list things that make caldari good.. i want you to weigh up the goods and the bads then consider which you think is right or wrong.
my list of bads:
-as a caldari pilot i have schocking issues with fitting ships effectivly. -We have no choice in pvp as we must act in a fleet or suck. -People tend to say that caldari is the PvE race.. where in eve does it state that caldari cant PvP other than the amazingly poor performance of our ships. -sniper race.. in PvP, combat takes place within 20km of the target or they warp automaticly giving all other races an advantage. -With all engineering skills 5 in a raven (our main battleship): i have 9000 sheilds, 6500 capacitor, 6 launcher slots.. with 3 regen rigs and max skills my cap regen is a poor 550 -without multiple BCU II our dps is far below opponent ships. -CCP has nerfed caldari multiple times recently without any boosts putting us behind other races.
Good points in caldari: -We can PvE well and passive tank. -we get choice in damage types -we fire missiles that do the same damage at all ranges (not sure if that is good or bad to be honest)
Lol.
I enjoy the contrast between the nerf caldari threads, and this.
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.04.07 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Frug Wow you are gonna get so flamed for this. I hope you have your flame suit on.
As a caldari pilot, I think you're way off. But that's just me.
i have piloted every ship in eve other than titan/mothership and caldari is the poorest in every way.
i also missed the point that pvp relise on speed and agility alot.. caldari is slower than amarr.
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.07 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tista
Originally by: Frug Wow you are gonna get so flamed for this. I hope you have your flame suit on.
As a caldari pilot, I think you're way off. But that's just me.
i have piloted every ship in eve other than titan/mothership and caldari is the poorest in every way.
i also missed the point that pvp relise on speed and agility alot.. caldari is slower than amarr.
Because i'd much rather take on Angel Extravaganza level 4 in a Zealot...
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait will explain when i have the time i promise
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.04.07 23:54:00 -
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reduce the caldaris ability to passive tank and give us the ability to pvp please.
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.04.07 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Marquis Dean
Originally by: Tista
Originally by: Frug Wow you are gonna get so flamed for this. I hope you have your flame suit on.
As a caldari pilot, I think you're way off. But that's just me.
i have piloted every ship in eve other than titan/mothership and caldari is the poorest in every way.
i also missed the point that pvp relise on speed and agility alot.. caldari is slower than amarr.
Because i'd much rather take on Angel Extravaganza level 4 in a Zealot...
that is a mission dude.. not everyone wants to do missions atleast other races can pvp and pve with caldari we cant pvp for sh*t and we can pve like gods.
in no way does ccp state when you start playing this game that caldari is sh*t if you want to do anything other than pop npcs by yourself.
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Aldir Rundal
Gallente The Order of Chivalry FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.07 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tista reduce the caldaris ability to passive tank and give us the ability to pvp please.
I don't get why you're considering the Rokh as being a disadvantage, having the best T1 fitted sniping BS is not a disadvantage, expensive though it may be.
Scorpion? Best BS EW platform.
Falcon? Cloaking, pwning, ew platform?
Charon? Largest Capacity Freighter?
Chimera? Oh ok nvm. LOL GIMPED!!!!11!!!!1!11111!~!!!OneoneEleven!

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Servius Caecilius
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Posted - 2007.04.07 23:58:00 -
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Train another race?
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undrground
Nuclear Rental Service
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Posted - 2007.04.07 23:59:00 -
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Caldari can pvp, last i checked they can shoot, and have the ability to fit warp scramblers.
every race has a edge fitting mods ... |
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.04.07 23:59:00 -
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one more thing, if you wish to post on this thread and even be considered as having a valid argument atleast have one to start with.. just saying "thats bullsh*t" is not a valid point.
please consider what i have said before you post too.
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Reverend Revelator
Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.04.08 00:00:00 -
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Best mining cruiser
Best mining battleship
Best 0.0 ratting battleship
Best mission battleship
Best sniper battleship
Missiles don't track
Missiles can do all 4 dmg types
Yeah, you can feel the hate alright. :)
Idiot
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Izzy Pol
Fear and Loathing in LoneTrek
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Posted - 2007.04.08 00:01:00 -
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Theres plenty of decent caldari pvp ships in most classes.
Whiner.
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Petrothian Tong
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.08 00:01:00 -
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if anything, amarr is the one that need boosted...
them lasers eats up cap and only do 2 types of damage.....
Caldari can do ALL types of damage, doesnt need cap (drake passive tank's uberness..)
yep..
Amarr have more problems than Caldari =P -Siggi- ""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur |

Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.04.08 00:02:00 -
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My best ability to PvP is from Caldari ships.
I'm Amarr (can you tell?) and though I'd love to use Amarr ships, the fact is that I can beat a lot more players in a Merlin than I can in a Punisher, Omen, Maller...honestly Caldari is easy mode.
I will assume this is a joke and give you a hearty 2/10 for humor.
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Adelorae24
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Posted - 2007.04.08 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tista Right im going to list things wrong with caldari and then list things that make caldari good.. i want you to weigh up the goods and the bads then consider which you think is right or wrong.
my list of bads:
-as a caldari pilot i have schocking issues with fitting ships effectivly. Try Harder...
-We have no choice in pvp as we must act in a fleet or suck. Nighthawk... How's that for not sucking solo
-People tend to say that caldari is the PvE race.. where in eve does it state that caldari cant PvP other than the amazingly poor performance of our ships. Caldari do excel at PvE (lvl 4 Mission + Shield Tanked Raven FTW)
-sniper race.. in PvP, combat takes place within 20km of the target or they warp automaticly giving all other races an advantage. Missles work real good up close too...
-With all engineering skills 5 in a raven (our main battleship): i have 9000 sheilds, 6500 capacitor, 6 launcher slots.. with 3 regen rigs and max skills my cap regen is a poor 550 How much cap regen do you need when your weapons don't use cap???
-without multiple BCU II our dps is far below opponent ships. Multiple T2 Cruise\Siege launchers = plenty 'o' dmg
-CCP has nerfed caldari multiple times recently without any boosts putting us behind other races. Have you ever even flown an Amarr or Minmatard ship? They were so far behind to begin with that we're still ahead.
Good points in caldari: -We can PvE well and passive tank. -we get choice in damage types -we fire missiles that do the same damage at all ranges (not sure if that is good or bad to be honest)
Look it can sometimes feel like the ship sucks when really it's your skills that do, and I don't necessarily mean skillbook skills. Get devious. Test Test Test all different kinds of setups. Ask your friends what they do. You can tear people up in the most absurd ways with Caldari Power, and don't you ever forget it. 
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.04.08 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: undrground Caldari can pvp, last i checked they can shoot, and have the ability to fit warp scramblers.
every race has a edge fitting mods
okay simple situation here for you:
megathron vs raven
megathron uses 7 slots to tank raven uses 6 slots to tank megathron uses 2 mids to tackle raven uses.. 1 mid to tackle raven now uses 5 slots to tank compared to megathrons 7 raven's cap can't hold against megathrons cap raven uses a cap booster raven now has 4 med slots to tank.
now the megathron has a mwd on it aswell so i can scram it and missile it but it can mwd out of range and warp.
also the megathron has a better tank, the ability to tackle, more dps and more drone bay.
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.08 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tista that is a mission dude.. not everyone wants to do missions atleast other races can pvp and pve with caldari we cant pvp for sh*t and we can pve like gods.
in no way does ccp state when you start playing this game that caldari is sh*t if you want to do anything other than pop npcs by yourself.
But tens of thousands of players on Eve PvE at the same time... It's a massive part of the game, and it's hardly fair to smack PvE Caldari with the nerfbat just to bring it inline with the other races in PvP.
Besides, Caldari don't suck in PvP, here's 20 reasons why:
Harpy: Blasters & mwd, anti-frig/pod sniper. Hawk: Podkiller, anti-interceptor. Crow: nuff said. Raptor: fast and very cheap. Buzzard: best CovOps. Manticore: best S. Bomber.
Cormorant: 100km sniping on a 1 mil ship? Flycatcher: 2nd best dictor.
Blackbird: cheap & effective gang ECM. Eagle: rails for fleet, blasters for small gang. Rook: amazing jamming. Falcon: amazing tactical jamming.
Drake: excellent gang firesupport, best T1 passive tank in the game. Nighthawk: again, firesupport and passive tank. Vulture: powerful sniping, excellent tank and gang mods.
Scorpion: powerful and useful ship for fleets and gangs. Raven: like a massive Drake. Rokh: ultimate ship-of-the-line.
Missiles don't miss. Passive shield tanks.
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait will explain when i have the time i promise
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.04.08 00:05:00 -
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well i want to try using dampers on my ships but that means i cant tank or do high dps..
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Aldir Rundal
Gallente The Order of Chivalry FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.08 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tista one more thing, if you wish to post on this thread and even be considered as having a valid argument atleast have one to start with.. just saying "thats bullsh*t" is not a valid point.
please consider what i have said before you post too.
Alright.
Caldari are far from needing a Boost. They were boosted a long time ago, and were balanced (I use balanced because of the controversial missile change) again more recently.
Raven's with T2 Javelin torpedoes do rather decent damage, cruise missile ravens can be effective in gank sqauds and close range combat. Eagle, excellent HAC useful in many situations and including fleet combat where it is easily passed off as support and not as a damage dealing BS.
Rokh, mentioned before. Scorpion, mentioned before. Falcon, mentioned before. etc. etc. etc. etc.
As for replying to your posts with "that's bull****" sorry I haven't done that, I find it amusing that people whine and complain beyond belief all the time, and suggest nothing. Go to the game development forum and think of something before you complain. Whining will get you nothing but ganked.
Suck it up.
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.08 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tista one more thing, if you wish to post on this thread and even be considered as having a valid argument atleast have one to start with.. just saying "thats bullsh*t" is not a valid point.
please consider what i have said before you post too.
Just because people can prove you wrong, doesn't mean you can go forum fascist on them and tell them what to post.
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait will explain when i have the time i promise
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.04.08 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Marquis Dean
Originally by: Tista that is a mission dude.. not everyone wants to do missions atleast other races can pvp and pve with caldari we cant pvp for sh*t and we can pve like gods.
in no way does ccp state when you start playing this game that caldari is sh*t if you want to do anything other than pop npcs by yourself.
But tens of thousands of players on Eve PvE at the same time... It's a massive part of the game, and it's hardly fair to smack PvE Caldari with the nerfbat just to bring it inline with the other races in PvP.
Besides, Caldari don't suck in PvP, here's 20 reasons why:
Harpy: Blasters & mwd, anti-frig/pod sniper. Hawk: Podkiller, anti-interceptor. Crow: nuff said. Raptor: fast and very cheap. Buzzard: best CovOps. Manticore: best S. Bomber.
Cormorant: 100km sniping on a 1 mil ship? Flycatcher: 2nd best dictor.
Blackbird: cheap & effective gang ECM. Eagle: rails for fleet, blasters for small gang. Rook: amazing jamming. Falcon: amazing tactical jamming.
Drake: excellent gang firesupport, best T1 passive tank in the game. Nighthawk: again, firesupport and passive tank. Vulture: powerful sniping, excellent tank and gang mods.
Scorpion: powerful and useful ship for fleets and gangs. Raven: like a massive Drake. Rokh: ultimate ship-of-the-line.
Missiles don't miss. Passive shield tanks.
all those things you said they tank or attack well.. but dude the hp boost + the fact caldai cant tackle and tank at once means we cant alpha strike things or stay in combat long enough to fight because we dont have the cap to keep going and we dont have the speed to escape.. we dont have the damage to outdo our foes we dont have the tank to survive.
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Aldir Rundal
Gallente The Order of Chivalry FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.08 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tista well i want to try using dampers on my ships but that means i cant tank or do high dps..
Why need to tank when he can't even target you....
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.04.08 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Marquis Dean
Originally by: Tista one more thing, if you wish to post on this thread and even be considered as having a valid argument atleast have one to start with.. just saying "thats bullsh*t" is not a valid point.
please consider what i have said before you post too.
Just because people can prove you wrong, doesn't mean you can go forum fascist on them and tell them what to post.
prove requires reason.. im just making a point
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.04.08 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Aldir Rundal
Originally by: Tista well i want to try using dampers on my ships but that means i cant tank or do high dps..
Why need to tank when he can't even target you....
well thing is caldari has the slowest ships in eve so i can damp something and shoot at it but it will go faster than me, get in range, then gun me down all the while tanking what i do to him.
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Aldir Rundal
Gallente The Order of Chivalry FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.08 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tista
Originally by: Marquis Dean Excellent Post
all those things you said they tank or attack well.. but dude the hp boost + the fact caldai cant tackle and tank at once means we cant alpha strike things or stay in combat long enough to fight because we dont have the cap to keep going and we dont have the speed to escape.. we dont have the damage to outdo our foes we dont have the tank to survive.
Can't Alpha strike? Neither can Minmatar anymore! Try fitting a T2 arty temp and trying to instapop stuff you could before the HP boost. As for staying in a fight long enough, pfft, everybody has that problem. Win lose.
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.04.08 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Aldir Rundal
Originally by: Tista
Originally by: Marquis Dean Excellent Post
all those things you said they tank or attack well.. but dude the hp boost + the fact caldai cant tackle and tank at once means we cant alpha strike things or stay in combat long enough to fight because we dont have the cap to keep going and we dont have the speed to escape.. we dont have the damage to outdo our foes we dont have the tank to survive.
Can't Alpha strike? Neither can Minmatar anymore! Try fitting a T2 arty temp and trying to instapop stuff you could before the HP boost. As for staying in a fight long enough, pfft, everybody has that problem. Win lose.
minmatar has speed and tackling ability, compared to caldaris... umm what do we have again?
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Aldir Rundal
Gallente The Order of Chivalry FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.08 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tista
Originally by: Aldir Rundal
Originally by: Tista
Originally by: Marquis Dean Excellent Post
all those things you said they tank or attack well.. but dude the hp boost + the fact caldai cant tackle and tank at once means we cant alpha strike things or stay in combat long enough to fight because we dont have the cap to keep going and we dont have the speed to escape.. we dont have the damage to outdo our foes we dont have the tank to survive.
Can't Alpha strike? Neither can Minmatar anymore! Try fitting a T2 arty temp and trying to instapop stuff you could before the HP boost. As for staying in a fight long enough, pfft, everybody has that problem. Win lose.
minmatar has speed and tackling ability, compared to caldaris... umm what do we have again?
Better passive tanks? Oh wait, Minmatarr don't have any.
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.04.08 00:14:00 -
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Ok basicly for each good thing caldari gets we also get a nerf.. so basicly we have the choice of damage but the amount of damage we do is poor. we have long range ships but we cant tackle so we cant really pvp too well we can pve like no-ones buisness but we cant pvp
there are more things but basicly for every good thing we get they have to "balance" it by nerfing something else.
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.04.08 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Aldir Rundal
Originally by: Tista
Originally by: Aldir Rundal
Originally by: Tista
Originally by: Marquis Dean Excellent Post
all those things you said they tank or attack well.. but dude the hp boost + the fact caldai cant tackle and tank at once means we cant alpha strike things or stay in combat long enough to fight because we dont have the cap to keep going and we dont have the speed to escape.. we dont have the damage to outdo our foes we dont have the tank to survive.
Can't Alpha strike? Neither can Minmatar anymore! Try fitting a T2 arty temp and trying to instapop stuff you could before the HP boost. As for staying in a fight long enough, pfft, everybody has that problem. Win lose.
minmatar has speed and tackling ability, compared to caldaris... umm what do we have again?
Better passive tanks? Oh wait, Minmatarr don't have any.
you dont seem to understand.
the ability to tank is bloody brilliant but when you cant keep your enamy in a fight long enough to kill them is bloody shocking. we have to rely on others to tackle or on the pilot to be retarded enough to turn and warp.
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