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Aldir Rundal Gallente The Order of Chivalry FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.08 00:16:00 - [31] Originally by: Tista Ok basicly for each good thing caldari gets we also get a nerf.. so basicly we have the choice of damage but the amount of damage we do is poor. we have long range ships but we cant tackle so we cant really pvp too well we can pve like no-ones buisness but we cant pvp there are more things but basicly for every good thing we get they have to "balance" it by nerfing something else. So now caldari are balanced. Why do caldari need a boost then? Hmmm Pwned. Recruiting
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.08 00:17:00 - [32] Originally by: Aldir Rundal Originally by: Tista Ok basicly for each good thing caldari gets we also get a nerf.. so basicly we have the choice of damage but the amount of damage we do is poor. we have long range ships but we cant tackle so we cant really pvp too well we can pve like no-ones buisness but we cant pvp there are more things but basicly for every good thing we get they have to "balance" it by nerfing something else. So now caldari are balanced. Why do caldari need a boost then? Hmmm Pwned. yeah but they give us good things but remove all that is good about them by making other things crap.
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.08 00:20:00 - [33] anyway by arguing my point people will turn this into petty personal insults because i will prove my point one way or another so im going to stop posting.
roadrage639 Caldari Velites Praefectus	Posted - 2007.04.08 00:32:00 - [34] all those things you said they tank or attack well.. but dude the hp boost + the fact caldai cant tackle and tank at once means we cant alpha strike things or stay in combat long enough to fight because we dont have the cap to keep going and we dont have the speed to escape.. we dont have the damage to outdo our foes we dont have the tank to survive. Im pure Caldari.. and I really don't agree with you at all.. Caldari cap sucks because we mainly use missiles.. they don't use cap, and our shield boosters are thw equiv of 2 armor reps. Also my raven can break almost any tank befor they kill me.. (as long as im not being ganked). ---------------- If You Can't Kill It, Slap It! The Man Who Runs Will Fight Again
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.08 00:47:00 - [35] Well, her gripe appears to be not being able to SOLO well and hold a tank while web+disrupt not even considering mwd or ab. I have had this problem since day 1, so was forced to either: try some idiotic sh*t, or train another race for solo pvp.(not, I am Caldari and will fly Caldari boats for now) I know a dude who armor tanks his Raven, another who claims he has a "ECM tank" Scorp, etc. Lol, same dude said he has a "damage" tank Caracal.
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.08 01:08:00 - [36] To be hummed to the theme of 2001: a space odyssey la la la Troll! lala lame lame la la... duh da daa daah da Troll Troll lame lame... -
Gamesguy Amarr E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.04.08 01:12:00 - [37] Originally by: Soporo Well, her gripe appears to be not being able to SOLO well and hold a tank while web+disrupt not even considering mwd or ab. I have had this problem since day 1, so was forced to either: try some idiotic sh*t, or train another race for solo pvp.(not, I am Caldari and will fly Caldari boats for now) I know a dude who armor tanks his Raven, another who claims he has a "ECM tank" Scorp, etc. Lol, same dude said he has a "damage" tank Caracal. Armor tanked ravens are excellent for pvp.
Suboran Gallente Sphinx Inc	Posted - 2007.04.08 01:22:00 - [38] are you purposely trying to find something wrong with caldari ships and then complain about it? caldari ships are exelent for pvp, but like each race have there niche.
Bohoba Caldari Dragons United Pure.	Posted - 2007.04.08 01:45:00 - [39] Originally by: Suboran are you purposely trying to find something wrong with caldari ships and then complain about it? caldari ships are exelent for pvp, but like each race have there niche. as a Cald I have to disagree cald in a 1 vs 1 PVP same ship class will lose hands down. last 6 to 8 patches have cald nerfed well this last one didn't ew is a joke now all we can do is hope for a few gangs so we have a chance and 44 mill sp here so another 3 years to train a diff race is not an option just hope ccp sees error in there way and nerf the other races for the next 6 to 8 patches Get Into the Game it makes it fun for all
Aldir Rundal Gallente The Order of Chivalry	Posted - 2007.04.08 01:51:00 - [40] Originally by: Bohoba Originally by: Suboran are you purposely trying to find something wrong with caldari ships and then complain about it? caldari ships are exelent for pvp, but like each race have there niche. as a Cald I have to disagree cald in a 1 vs 1 PVP same ship class will lose hands down. last 6 to 8 patches have cald nerfed well this last one didn't ew is a joke now all we can do is hope for a few gangs so we have a chance and 44 mill sp here so another 3 years to train a diff race is not an option just hope ccp sees error in there way and nerf the other races for the next 6 to 8 patches Yay someone with a valid point! Yes, EW as it is now needs work, it's essentially back to where it was soon after I started playing in 2004. Dampeners are immensely more popular now because they work. Target Jamming doesn't work as well now, and it should be the other way around, everybody seems to fit damps to regular ships now, just like they did ECM a few patches ago. I wish things were more like they were a few years ago, when scorpions etc, were popular due to their ability to fit ECM and use it better than other ships, now they're not used so much. You see more celestis' and arazu's than scorpions now. [flamesuit]I think it may be time for a slight Dampener nerf, though only on regular ships, and not those designed for it[/flamesuit] Recruiting

d026 WIPE INC	Posted - 2007.04.08 01:54:00 - [41] yeah please boost caldari and nerf ***lente:)
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.08 02:12:00 - [42] Originally by: Reverend Revelator Best mining cruiser: Granted Best mining battleship Dominix Best 0.0 ratting battleship Granted Best mission battleship Granted Best sniper battleship FAIL, this must be a joke Missiles don't track Learn the game. Esp. explosion radius vs. damage (get a clue) Missiles can do all 4 dmg types As can projectile guns, and combined drone/hybridships, what's your point? Yeah, you can feel the hate alright. :) Idiot The last one you should save for yourself. // ORE MONGERS // Recruiting now.
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.08 02:19:00 - [43] Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 08/04/2007 02:16:24 Originally by: Tista -as a caldari pilot i have schocking issues with fitting ships effectivly. You've got to be ***** kidding me. Having used Gallente almost exclucively and then making a Caldari alt i can saftly say you're talking out of your arse. Originally by:** Benglada And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
Spenz Gallente FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.08 02:29:00 - [44] I still find it funny when kaldari call the ecm nerf a CALDARI nerf when the ecm affected everyone BUT caldari, who have the boosted stats to compensate for the nerf. ECM truly became a kaldari only module the minute the changes came in effect. Kaldari are just upset that they dont have their ECM i-Win button to go along with their other collection of i-Win buttons. Bad pvp you say? Get off your arse and train.....gasp....GUNS (omg I said it GUNS IM A HERETIC!) and use the BEST fleet pvp battleship you can get. Not in a fleet? Use blasters for T2 blaster range with a T1 setup. Ignore the fact that the Rokh can support a pretty mean tank as well. If I had an Alt I would probably post with it...
Mar Idoun Aurora Empire Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels	Posted - 2007.04.08 02:35:00 - [45] Caldari ships are a lonely kind. They need friends-- do not judge on solo abilities. A small gang of caldari ships will pwn if you play to their strengths: You've got (one of) the best interceptors with the crow; (one of) the best BS tanks in the Raven-- along with decent damage; the best ranged weapon system in the Rokh; and the Scorpion, with rigs, skills and mods, is just about as strong as it ever was using racial jammers. Caldari are the least imbalanced of the races and don't need anything boosted unless we start calling friends a 'boost'.
Christina Vallentine Caldari Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.08 02:46:00 - [46] Originally by: Tista Right im going to list things wrong with caldari and then list things that make caldari good.. i want you to weigh up the goods and the bads then consider which you think is right or wrong. my list of bads: -as a caldari pilot i have schocking issues with fitting ships effectivly. -We have no choice in pvp as we must act in a fleet or suck. -People tend to say that caldari is the PvE race.. where in eve does it state that caldari cant PvP other than the amazingly poor performance of our ships. -sniper race.. in PvP, combat takes place within 20km of the target or they warp automaticly giving all other races an advantage. -With all engineering skills 5 in a raven (our main battleship): i have 9000 sheilds, 6500 capacitor, 6 launcher slots.. with 3 regen rigs and max skills my cap regen is a poor 550 -without multiple BCU II our dps is far below opponent ships. -CCP has nerfed caldari multiple times recently without any boosts putting us behind other races. Good points in caldari: -We can PvE well and passive tank. -we get choice in damage types -we fire missiles that do the same damage at all ranges (not sure if that is good or bad to be honest) Fly an Abaddon, then come back to this thread and tell us how you really feel. Odds 10 to 1 your like, hot damn its good to be caldari. keke
Jex Jast Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.04.08 03:21:00 - [47] Caldari can't use a scram and tank at the same time? Are you serious? I refer you again to my MERLIN which I used to tank and scramble (sometimes I even put an AB on there). The shields are good enough that you can get away with it on their top frigate, I see no way it can't be done on a bigger ship. FFS I fly Caldari ships and I'm Amarr. Does that not tell you something? Caldari have trouble fitting? No. I can fit my Caldari ships quite well. The Amarr ones are always lacking. Caldari ships will lose hands down to a ship of equal class? You sir are mad. I killed frigates to cruisers in my merlin, and don't think I didn't attack destroyers (known as frig killers). Let me share with you a couple things I've heard about how Eve plays: Eve has difficulty modes, it goes as follows: Caldari: Easiest (Gallente and Minmatar are in here in some way) Amarr: $&#$&@# impossible. I've also heard that: Caldari train missiles. Gallente train drones. Minmatar train artillery. Amarr train Caldari. There are very few people of the opinion that Caldari are in any way disadvantaged. For PvP, PvE, or anything else (like flying around admiring planets or something I don't know...). If given the choice between using a punisher or a merlin, I'd take the merlin because the punisher can not be fit to its maximum slot potential due to fitting issues. I can fit a merlin however the *** I want. -----
Consultant	Posted - 2007.04.08 03:35:00 - [48] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: Reverend Revelator Best mining battleship Dominix Fail. Dominix had its mining drone bonus removed. Best sniper battleship FAIL, this must be a joke Rokh is the best sniper as it has by far the longest range. I'm Amarr specced and I use a Rokh for fleet combat. Missiles don't track Learn the game. Esp. explosion radius vs. damage (get a clue) Learn the game. Signature radius vs. damage (get a clue) Missiles can do all 4 dmg types As can projectile guns, and combined drone/hybridships, what's your point? Projectile guns cannot do this at all ranges like Caldari can, and droneships will be limited by their drone bay size. And what about Amarr? Yeah, you can feel the hate alright. :) Idiot The last one you should save for yourself. No, he was quite right. Anyone who thinks that there is something seriously wrong with Caldari needs their head checked.
ElweSingollo The Vanyar	Posted - 2007.04.08 03:43:00 - [49] Originally by: Christina Vallentine Originally by: Tista Right im going to list things wrong with caldari and then list things that make caldari good.. i want you to weigh up the goods and the bads then consider which you think is right or wrong. my list of bads: -as a caldari pilot i have schocking issues with fitting ships effectivly. -We have no choice in pvp as we must act in a fleet or suck. -People tend to say that caldari is the PvE race.. where in eve does it state that caldari cant PvP other than the amazingly poor performance of our ships. -sniper race.. in PvP, combat takes place within 20km of the target or they warp automaticly giving all other races an advantage. -With all engineering skills 5 in a raven (our main battleship): i have 9000 sheilds, 6500 capacitor, 6 launcher slots.. with 3 regen rigs and max skills my cap regen is a poor 550 -without multiple BCU II our dps is far below opponent ships. -CCP has nerfed caldari multiple times recently without any boosts putting us behind other races. Good points in caldari: -We can PvE well and passive tank. -we get choice in damage types -we fire missiles that do the same damage at all ranges (not sure if that is good or bad to be honest) Fly an Abaddon, then come back to this thread and tell us how you really feel. Odds 10 to 1 your like, hot damn its good to be caldari. keke Abaddon can be a pwn pvp ship close range but if I come up agains ta typical small gang rohk for example he will fit 4 Nos and 4 torps.... = I die slowly but I still die and that needn't be an uber sp pilot either. CCP and Eve Online... It's not a bug, it's a feature
Steel Tigeress	Posted - 2007.04.08 03:46:00 - [50] Ok since you didnt like everyone else's arguments...how bout this. Calari ships will get a PvP Boost when I can train T2 Large Rails in the same time it takes Caldari to train T2 Cruise's.... Sounds fair to me.

Bohoba Caldari Dragons United Pure.	Posted - 2007.04.08 03:55:00 - [51] Originally by: Consultant Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: Reverend Revelator Best mining battleship Dominix Fail. Dominix had its mining drone bonus removed. Best sniper battleship FAIL, this must be a joke Rokh is the best sniper as it has by far the longest range. I'm Amarr specced and I use a Rokh for fleet combat. Missiles don't track Learn the game. Esp. explosion radius vs. damage (get a clue) Learn the game. Signature radius vs. damage (get a clue) Missiles can do all 4 dmg types As can projectile guns, and combined drone/hybridships, what's your point? Projectile guns cannot do this at all ranges like Caldari can, and droneships will be limited by their drone bay size. And what about Amarr? Yeah, you can feel the hate alright. :) Idiot The last one you should save for yourself. No, he was quite right. Anyone who thinks that there is something seriously wrong with Caldari needs their head checked. I laugh at stuff like this tipical none cald player, and if you do run cald you prob...only rat with it cause thats all its good for unless you have a gang for support Get Into the Game it makes it fun for all
The Slayer Caldari The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.04.08 03:56:00 - [52] Originally by: Tista anyway by arguing my point people will turn this into petty personal insults because i will prove my point one way or another so im going to stop posting. What you are saying is people are proving you wrong so you are bowing out :D Ok : here goes. There is not one race in eve that is awesome at doing everything. No, there isnt. No, there REALLY isnt. Now caldari are, as you say, sucky at tackling and get lumbered with missiles, which can be a blessing and a curse all at once. But they are the experts in the game at Ewar (Scorpion or Rook can be deadly in small gang engagements, and multiples thereof can eliminate the shooting power of whole fleets), one of the best sniper boats around (range bonus on the Rokh anyone?), and like everyone else has said is the weapon of choice for mission running. Eve is not a cookie cutter game, you shouldnt be able to take on BS against any other BS and have a stalemate. Sure a BlasterMega will beat a Raven. A BlasterMega will beat damn near anything 1vs1 tho, so its not a very fair comparison. Lets say Raven Vs Tempest. Well fit Raven could win that fight, or chase off the Tempest at the very least. Like you say you dont have much room for tackling, thats the downside of a shield tank. Upside is the INSANE amount of damage you can passive tank if setup correctly (fully T2 fit drake can passive tank more than a T2 Astarte can active tank). Now missiles. Sure they take a long time to get to the target, which makes them sucky for fleet combat. So fly a Rokh. "Aww but then i'll have to train 2 weapon types". Gallente have to train THREE if you wanna fly all their ships effectively (Ok so railguns is just one, but still need Blaster/Rail spec and drones). Minmatar use dual weapon loadouts on the Phoon, so they need to train 2 as well to be decent. Amarr only need to train 1 type of weapon, but lets face it, they suck :P All in all I see many holes in your arguments, and if you decide to be man enough to come back to the thread and continue the discussion, tell my why im wrong.
ElweSingollo The Vanyar	Posted - 2007.04.08 04:06:00 - [53] Originally by: The Slayer Originally by: Tista anyway by arguing my point people will turn this into petty personal insults because i will prove my point one way or another so im going to stop posting. What you are saying is people are proving you wrong so you are bowing out :D Ok : here goes. There is not one race in eve that is awesome at doing everything. No, there isnt. No, there REALLY isnt. Now caldari are, as you say, sucky at tackling and get lumbered with missiles, which can be a blessing and a curse all at once. But they are the experts in the game at Ewar (Scorpion or Rook can be deadly in small gang engagements, and multiples thereof can eliminate the shooting power of whole fleets), one of the best sniper boats around (range bonus on the Rokh anyone?), and like everyone else has said is the weapon of choice for mission running. Eve is not a cookie cutter game, you shouldnt be able to take on BS against any other BS and have a stalemate. Sure a BlasterMega will beat a Raven. A BlasterMega will beat damn near anything 1vs1 tho, so its not a very fair comparison. Lets say Raven Vs Tempest. Well fit Raven could win that fight, or chase off the Tempest at the very least. Like you say you dont have much room for tackling, thats the downside of a shield tank. Upside is the INSANE amount of damage you can passive tank if setup correctly (fully T2 fit drake can passive tank more than a T2 Astarte can active tank). Now missiles. Sure they take a long time to get to the target, which makes them sucky for fleet combat. So fly a Rokh. "Aww but then i'll have to train 2 weapon types". Gallente have to train THREE if you wanna fly all their ships effectively (Ok so railguns is just one, but still need Blaster/Rail spec and drones). Minmatar use dual weapon loadouts on the Phoon, so they need to train 2 as well to be decent. Amarr only need to train 1 type of weapon, but lets face it, they suck :P All in all I see many holes in your arguments, and if you decide to be man enough to come back to the thread and continue the discussion, tell my why im wrong. Technically using your logic we train three weapon types as well same as the (mimnitar and gallente do) Pulse specialisation Beam specialisation and drones spec (Curse/Pilgrim/Arbie "medium t2 drones plus support skills" /Geddon "heavy t2 Drones" and ofc Archon) where the Caldari really get a jump is if they want to miss out heavy mssile spec and got straight to cruise or torp spec they do not need to train the preceding weapon however there are more variants of spec types I beleive with caldari CCP and Eve Online... It's not a bug, it's a feature
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.04.08 04:18:00 - [54] Couldnt hack ships & mods and decided to come try Eve General? ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.04.08 04:18:00 - [55] Couldnt hack ships & mods and decided to come try Eve General? ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.08 04:30:00 - [56] Originally by: Consultant Dominix had its mining drone bonus removed. Miner II's, and mining upgrades + mining drones = excellent miner Quote: Missiles don't track Learn the game. Esp. explosion radius vs. damage (get a clue) Learn the game. Signature radius vs. damage (get a clue) Explosion radius AND signature radius = less damage when the target is at high speed, and if you fire big missiles at small ships. Quote: Projectile guns cannot do this at all ranges like Caldari can Projectile guns don't take seconds from firing to hitting, projectile guns don't have several seconds refire rate, try comparing t2 missiles vs. t2 projectiles for dps in general. Quote: droneships will be limited by their drone bay size. And you mean missile ships aren't limited by cargo hold? And what happens to drones if you get dampened/ecm:ed compared to missiles? Quote: And what about Amarr? They have it bad. xD // ORE MONGERS // Recruiting now.
xtreamer BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.04.08 04:54:00 - [57] Originally by: Reverend Revelator Best mining cruiser Best mining battleship Best 0.0 ratting battleship Best mission battleship Best sniper battleship Missiles don't track Missiles can do all 4 dmg types Yeah, you can feel the hate alright. :) Idiot do i look like an guy who wants to mine and carebear Ravens are Fine Caldari are FINE i'd still like my old jav torps
yaikie	Posted - 2007.04.08 05:12:00 - [58] you can pvp with caldari just not with bs. just fit a cruiser or battlecruiser with heavy assaults
Mogrin	Posted - 2007.04.08 05:49:00 - [59] I will say that the 50% range bonus is ass. See sig. _______________ Rokh vs. Hyperion
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.04.08 06:05:00 - [60] Originally by: Mogrin I will say that the 50% range bonus is ass. See sig. Hyp supposedly has issues with cpu, which make the thron better than it with rails. Test vs the thron ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"



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