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Ryysa North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.09 02:48:00 - [31] Originally by: 6Bagheera9 Ignore the guy directly above me. Anytime someone starts making extremely generalized statements about an entire class of ships, its pretty safe to assume that they have no idea what they are talking about. AFs are not as good at tackling as interceptors and they do suffer from not having 4 real bonuses, but they can be evil little buggers in the right hands. They make great escorts and are ideal damage dealers in small frig gangs. You see, that's where you miss the point. If you jump in a frig gang into a non-bubblecamp, let's see which ships will reliably warp away without being scrambled by interceptor: 1. Interceptors. 2. Frigates with an agility mod. Now, AF's get caught. So what's the point again of flying the AF in that situation where you could be sitting in a cruiser that costs less yet is more effective? Take a cruiser pilot and an AF pilot, give them an equal amount of isk to fit their ship, pit them in 1v1, who wins? What's the point of bringing an AF in frig gang when you could have a ceptor that does the same damage, however doesn't get caught in gatecamps? I'd dare to say that a neutron gank taranis does quite a lot of damage. N.F.F. Recruitment
Father Weebles North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.09 03:18:00 - [32] AFs have very limited roles in pvp. Sniper harpies and enyos are nice but way outclassed by the Eagle and Muninn. The only area where the AF excels is pve but generally aren't very good for pvp. "Welcome to EVE, where inflation is out of control."
6Bagheera9 Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 03:37:00 - [33] First off, you don't jump into gatecamps not knowing that they are there. Now if you're jumping into a gatecamp with the intention of busting it up, basing your strategy upon being able to instawarp out doesn't make a whole lot of sense. You're there to kill people and interceptors cannot deal the same amount of dps that AFs can (blaster iskur > blaster taranis) nor can they tank worth a damn if they get tackled. Now why would you not use a cruiser in place of a AF? Cruisers have a slower warp speed than AFs (3Au/s vs. 6 Au/s), they have larger signature radii, and are generally slower and less agile than AFs. All this makes them far more vulnerable to larger ships(BCs and BSs)and less able to keep up with a highly mobile gang. If some friendly interceptors had a BS or a BC tackled and needed some more dps to break its tank, I'd generally prefer to be in a AF rather than a cruiser. Cruisers are more on par with AF if you're just escorting larger ships, but they still more vulnerable to BS fire. As for your 1v1 argument, its irrelevant. I'm not going to fight a decently flown and fitted cruiser in an AF, just like I'm not going to go up against a good BC in most HACs. I'm flying the AF to better keep up with friendly interceptors, evade fire from big ships, and if I'm pulling escort shred any tacklers that get too close. Soloing cruisers is not what I'm going after.
Ryysa North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.09 03:47:00 - [34] Originally by: 6Bagheera9 If some friendly interceptors had a BS or a BC tackled and needed some more dps to break its tank, I'd generally prefer to be in a AF rather than a cruiser. You are so clueless... A properly fitted BC will make mincemeat from an AF in seconds. Quote: Cruisers are more on par with AF if you're just escorting larger ships, but they still more vulnerable to BS fire. Clearly you forgot Mr. Nos. Last time I checked cruisers had more cap and more hitpoints. Do you know why people run frig gangs? So that you can't camp them in. You can't camp in an inty, but you can camp in an AF. That is why an AF doesn't have a place in a frig gang. And 6AU vs 3AU matters in VERY VERY few cases, as does the sig radius. I know you really want your AF to be good and all that, but it's not, not for the price it costs. If AF's were about 3 times cheaper and in general at least cost slightly less than a cruiser, I'd agree with you. But as it stands now, you get no insurance from losing your AF, while a cruiser is much more useful and cheaper... N.F.F. Recruitment
6Bagheera9 Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 04:12:00 - [35] A properly fitted BC will shred a cruiser just as fast if not faster than AF. I know this because I happen to fly BCs a lot and am regularly shocked by just how quickly cruisers die. The extra hp and cap simply doesn't mean jack when faced with 6x 425mm ACs or the equivalent firepower. An AF at least has the chance the evade the fire for a few seconds and get the hell out of dodge should things turn ugly. And if you want to be able to escape a non-bubble camp in an AF, all it takes is a decent istab. I'll admit that stabber is exceptionally nimble for a cruiser and will definetly beat out an AF in raw speed, but its still vulnerable to bigger ships and can't do some of the things that AFs can.
Maeltstome Minmatar Eve Defence Force Pure.	Posted - 2007.04.09 04:18:00 - [36] In reply to Ryysa's comments... wolf, 150mm ac's, MWD, barrage, 400mm Plate, Hard's thats 2100 HP with SICK resistances. Sig radius = 40 with the MWD off. Nos isn't an issue, it can shoot without cap. With my skills my falloff on my wolf is 10.5K/M, meaning i can happily sit at 12k/m and shoot a bs without being webbed, and they have NO chance of hitting me. next point, cost. Wolf, 10mil, guns, 2mil, other fittign 3mil tops. total 15mil i do the same thing in my stabber... stabber, 5mil, guns, 9mil minimum, other gear (t2 LSE inc.) 5mil, total 16mil Thats very general - but when you take into account that a missile cruiser, eg. a caracal will shred a stabber. But heavy missiles do reduced damage to frigates. So the wolf wins again. This is just one example of an AF - but similar results are possible with most AF's if the person setting them up doesnt think like they are setting up a normal frigate.
VJ Maverick Caldari Maverick Specialized Services	Posted - 2007.04.09 04:37:00 - [37] Anywhere outside of the wrong end of a bubble camp, AF's are great. In those situations, a wolf or a jaguar with an AB instead of a MWD presents a very small, fast target with great resistances and great damage potential against frigs and cruisers. Even if webbed, the can permarun the AB and maintain enough speed and small enough sig radius to evade most cruiser fire.
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.09 04:43:00 - [38] enyo- mass dps 4 neutron II ab- webber 2 mag stab II 1 tracking mod II 1 repper the joys of 150 damage per shot every 2 seconds for 4 guns! Originally by: inSpirAcy Don't worry, it's the bullying culture EVE attracts. You don't actually have to make a point if you get enough people to laugh with you.
Maeltstome Minmatar Eve Defence Force Pure.	Posted - 2007.04.09 04:45:00 - [39] Thats a straight up lie That is basically a ratting setup - and i once used it against a Myrmidon that invaded my home ratting system, best i could get was really 50-60 damage per gun. on HULL you might 150 damage with a well aimed, up to 300 with wrecking, but beyond that it just doesnt happen.
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.09 04:47:00 - [40] Originally by: Maeltstome Thats a straight up lie That is basically a ratting setup - and i once used it against a Myrmidon that invaded my home ratting system, best i could get was really 50-60 damage per gun. on HULL you might 150 damage with a well aimed, up to 300 with wrecking, but beyond that it just doesnt happen. O.o no i think you will find that 150 damage per shot against fair resists is fairly easy to accomplish. 13x damage mod on 20 damage = 150ish against resists Originally by: inSpirAcy Don't worry, it's the bullying culture EVE attracts. You don't actually have to make a point if you get enough people to laugh with you.

Maeltstome Minmatar Eve Defence Force Pure.	Posted - 2007.04.09 04:51:00 - [41] on HULL maybe - but i have it in a feckin music video, that exact setup, with 1 difference, and thats the tracking mod was a thermal resistance plate. I got several Mil in gunnery aswell... baring in mind a Myrm his a massive sig radius and normal resistances, i think its a fair indication of its damage.
Ryysa North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.09 06:21:00 - [42] Originally by: Maeltstome In reply to Ryysa's comments... wolf, 150mm ac's, MWD, barrage, 400mm Plate, Hard's thats 2100 HP with SICK resistances. This made me giggle like a schoolgirl. Against amarr maybe? Or do you call 10% explosive and 25% kinetic SICK resistances? Quote: Sig radius = 40 with the MWD off. Nos isn't an issue, it can shoot without cap. Right, and to do damage you need to go into webrange, when you're not moving your sig radius hardly matters. Quote: With my skills my falloff on my wolf is 10.5K/M, meaning i can happily sit at 12k/m and shoot a bs without being webbed, and they have NO chance of hitting me. At 12km your already pathetic damage is reduced by more than 50%. And Bs easily pwns you. Nos, drones, boom. Quote: next point, cost. Wolf, 10mil, guns, 2mil, other fittign 3mil tops. total 15mil i do the same thing in my stabber... stabber, 5mil, guns, 9mil minimum, other gear (t2 LSE inc.) 5mil, total 16mil Last time i checked wolf cost a bit more than 10m... maybe i need to check again. Also, I don't see why you need t2 LSE on stabber, it will outperform the wolf with stock t1 gear. Quote: Thats very general - but when you take into account that a missile cruiser, eg. a caracal will shred a stabber. But heavy missiles do reduced damage to frigates. So the wolf wins again. lol, caracal will pwn wolf in 3 volleys with t2 missiles. Quote: This is just one example of an AF - but similar results are possible with most AF's if the person setting them up doesnt think like they are setting up a normal frigate. Wow, plated wolf is so out of the box setup.. N.F.F. Recruitment
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2007.04.09 06:46:00 - [43] The last AF I had was a nicely fitted AC Jaguar with a passive shield tank and AB. It did a reasonable speed at close range and could live a good couple of minutes taking direct fire from a Raven. If you think AF's suck then you BLOW. Honest to goodness AF's not only do a good job of surviving in combat, they are also extremely enjoyable to fly. Tell me what do you play games for? I hope its to have some good old fun and enjoyment. Oh and one last thing, the Jaguar only died because I got the short end of a 1v1 with an Impoc in the Curse Region. And it lived a while before it went pop too. So yeah AF's definately have a role, you just need to use your brains a little and not follow like a lemming.
Ryysa North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.09 06:51:00 - [44] I play the game because I enjoy a challenge in PvP. I highly value efficiency in pvp, and not the "check out my new cool useless ship" attitude. Also, no one still has properly has countered my argument about a t1 cruiser being more effective, besides anecdotic evidence. N.F.F. Recruitment
MotoTsume Gallente Clan Black Scorpion	Posted - 2007.04.09 07:03:00 - [45] Edited by: MotoTsume on 09/04/2007 07:02:57 Originally by: eXtas af's are totaly pointless unless u are npc'ing This person has no clue it seems - there is a video somewhere form a member of VETO that shows him and his ishkur doing some serious pvp ganking lol - is totally awesome, and i find my Ishkur totally rocks - i agree with the 2 valk II's and 3 warrior II's but i also at times do 3 Valk II's and 2 hammerhead II's. will try to find the video and link in this thread here it is: My Veto by MellaRinn file is called My Veto It's just a game........Or is it?????
Ryysa North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.09 08:40:00 - [46] Edited by: Ryysa on 09/04/2007 08:39:24 You should really consider what you are saying before you say that eXtas has no clue. But anyhow, videos of how x ship ganks x ship with npc fitting in belt is hardly interesting. Take any pvp t1 cruiser and pit it against that ishkur, and the ishkur dies horribly. Nevermind against battlecruisers and battleships. You see - ganking hunter in belt doesn't take much skill, even with a smaller ship. Cruiser can also gank hunter in belt, and it can do it: 1) Faster 2) Cheaper Just compare ishkur to vexor for example. It's about bang for the buck. Unfortunately at their current state the AF's have less of the bang and more of the buck. Sure, if you are an AF fanboi, I won't be able to convince you differently - however, from an efficiency standpoint, pvping in an AF is one of the most inefficient ways to do pvp. N.F.F. Recruitment
Tassill Minmatar GREY COUNCIL Breidablik	Posted - 2007.04.09 10:50:00 - [47] Edited by: Tassill on 09/04/2007 10:48:04 Intys tackle better than af's, do similar dps to af's are much much much better to use with assigned fighters than af's and are much much harder to kill than af's. If you want a reason to fly af the only one I can come up with is pve or because it looks cool. Edit: To the op, If you are planing on playing the game longterm than I would say than in 1 years time you would not even consider flying an af but intys are ships you can keep going back to even if u have 70 mil sp's
Talen Kross T Miners	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:07:00 - [48] I have to agree with that. I do fly AF's, and they are fun. but I fully realise that the average T1 cruiser will kill the average Af in a 1v1. The actual costs that CCP wanted AFs to be was 3mill, however, AFs are fun and people are willing to pay 15mill for one which is why they are so expensive.
Siklone The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2007.04.09 22:54:00 - [49] There are always going to be better ships... I PvP for fun, and no frigate is more fun than my blaster Harpy... doing 170 DPS just outside web range is very good. Very cheap ship and mods for T2, resistances and a small tank help you stay alive... It's just a different feel vs. a speedtanked Crow. Yes the Crow tackles better, and sure it goes fast, but no inty can do 170 DPS. Most cruisers don't do that unless they're using T2. And the gate camp scenario... people who fly AF usually don't solo. We accept that it's not an Inty. But we've got a much higher chance of getting out than a cruiser. The exceptions being Thorax and Stabber. They are fast... but they are a small piece of the available cruisers... I've made it out of non-bubble camps in my Harpy many times. Saying AF's suck because they're caught in a bubble isn't accurate. Everything but inties and a lucky speed cruiser/phoon are going to get caught. On the same note...why fly a cruiser when you can fly a BC? Bit of a circular argument here...
Fluffernator	Posted - 2007.04.09 23:38:00 - [50] Personally I feel afs are great, you can get in, do the damage, and get out. Sure, blaster taranis does a lot of damage, but it will get pwned by and ship with nos. YOu can say that about any frigat. Harpy is pretty sweet. mwd, tank, and 125mm IIs. Hits antimatter to 18km, 25 with falloff. If you need itt oo also hits 60km (max targeting range). It can easily stay out of nos range of larger ships, and if it cant due to its small sig radius it just warps out. Also, these "fast moving gangs" your a part of ryssa, I see all the time. I also see assault frigats in them all the time. Assault frigates offer just as much bang for the buck as an interceptor, They may not be the fastest, but they are certaintly viable. Fast warp, fast ship, decent damage, and small sig radius.

Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.04.10 01:06:00 - [51] Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 10/04/2007 01:07:47 Originally by: Ryysa The day a harpy kills my inty from 95km will never come, because when i notice it trying to do that i will re-warp after which i will swiftly go straight to that harpy and pwn it in the face. To do that, you must stop scrambling the primary target. I am sure the enemy primary appreciates your zeal for pwning the AF in the face. If I were fleet commander, you would no longer be welcome in my fleet, on account of willful disregard for following orders and allowing the primary to warp away. -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Maeltstome Minmatar Eve Defence Force Pure.	Posted - 2007.04.10 02:27:00 - [52] Edited by: Maeltstome on 10/04/2007 02:24:54 Originally by: Ryysa Also, no one still has properly has countered my argument about a t1 cruiser being more effective, besides anecdotic evidence. actually several people have - but you wont listen. And oh yea about my wolf post, you quite clearly have never fought against a competant wolf pilot, nor do you understand how falloff works. Carcal 3 volleying a wolf with 2100 HP.... hmmm... no. And as a final note, yes, sick resistances - 2x Energized plates will take your res's to around 95/50/55/75 quite easily. For only using 2 slots thats pretty sick imo. But hey, i don't know why im posting - because every other reply you've made in this topic has been a slate at the person posting, with little more than "Anecdotal" evidence yourself. EDIT* With no mention of context, describing this post, or anything else - i ask my Die-Hard caldari corp mate simply "Caracal Versus Wolf, who wins?" - 3 seconds later "Wolf". And he's a good caracal pilot.
Ryysa North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.10 02:38:00 - [53] Edited by: Ryysa on 10/04/2007 02:35:09 Originally by: Maeltstome And oh yea about my wolf post, you quite clearly have never fought against a competant wolf pilot Flown those things 1.5 year ago, gave up flying them very fast. Quote: nor do you understand how falloff works. I do, perfectly, it's you who needs to refer to the turret and tracking guide and get a clue. Quote: Carcal 3 volleying a wolf with 2100 HP.... hmmm... no. With precision heavies? hmm yes. Maybe 4 volley. Quote: And as a final note, yes, sick resistances - 2x Energized plates will take your res's to around 95/50/55/75 quite easily. For only using 2 slots thats pretty sick imo. And with your DPS without dmg mods you won't even beat caracal passive shield recharge. Quote: But hey, i don't know why im posting - because every other reply you've made in this topic has been a slate at the person posting, with little more than "Anecdotal" evidence yourself. Hardly. Quote: With no mention of context, describing this post, or anything else - i ask my Die-Hard caldari corp mate simply "Caracal Versus Wolf, who wins?" - 3 seconds later "Wolf". Way to go. I fly both. 1v1, my caracal vs your wolf, you name the place. Quote: And he's a good caracal pilot. No, he is an idiot. Originally by: Guillame Herschel To do that, you must stop scrambling the primary target. I am sure the enemy primary appreciates your zeal for pwning the AF in the face. If I were fleet commander, you would no longer be welcome in my fleet, on account of willful disregard for following orders and allowing the primary to warp away. You have two choices. Go for the harpy or die. Either way you stop scrambling the primary. That's why you are a bad fleet commander - because you fail to realize this. N.F.F. Recruitment
Maeltstome Minmatar Eve Defence Force Pure.	Posted - 2007.04.10 04:58:00 - [54] I spent 20 minutes disecting that post, but instead im just going to say... sure. Lets rock'n'roll - i can link people to this thread on the killboards.
0m3g4 w34p0n Caldari Caldari Navy Raiders DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.04.10 05:53:00 - [55] Edited by: 0m3g4 w34p0n on 10/04/2007 05:53:01 Edited by: 0m3g4 w34p0n on 10/04/2007 05:52:14 Quote: But hey, i don't know why im posting - because every other reply you've made in this topic has been a slate at the person posting, with little more than "Anecdotal" evidence yourself. Quote: Hardly. Quote: And he's a good caracal pilot. Quote: No, he is an idiot. Anyone else think he just proved his point
Ryysa North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.10 07:30:00 - [56] Edited by: Ryysa on 10/04/2007 07:30:41 Originally by: Maeltstome I spent 20 minutes disecting that post, but instead im just going to say... sure. Lets rock'n'roll - i can link people to this thread on the killboards. I'll try to contact you ingame when I get home tonight :) Although we do need to set some sort of rules, otherwise I can just use ECM :P And honestly said, I can't see what a wolf will do to a passively shieldtanked caracal with assault launchers. N.F.F. Recruitment
Scots Crusader Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.10 12:13:00 - [57] You can discuss this till the cows come home. Technically a Cruser is a superior ship in every way. I know, I fly both AF's and crusers and an AF will loose almost everytime to a cruiser. But the whole point is the ship you enjoy flying. I love flying my Ruppie, but equally love jumping into my pure gank Wolf and watching Inty's dissappear in a hail of artillery fire. To the OP, I say, train them, try them and make your own mind up. One man's diamond is another mans cheap rip-off. ----------------------------------------------- O wad some power, the giftie gie us, To see oursels as ithers see us!
Hotshothotshot1	Posted - 2007.04.10 13:03:00 - [58] i fly inty's as well as AF. I Like flying a inty better coz its a lot faster. but the damage i do on it is no way near the damage i can do on my harpy. Maybe its becoz im caldari. But AF can be really tough. Nice damage, Nice resists, doing 1200ms orbiting around the enemy. And shoot over 60km with 125mm railguns if needed. Yeah they are slower then intys, they also dont have the hp cruisers have. but come on you can not compare those ships, they do have different roles. and to those who are talking about it dying in a camp. Almost every ship who lands into a gang( with AF,BC,BS etc) will die if it gets called primairy even inty's. Its fun to fly AF. stop taking it so serieously. its all about fun
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.10 14:51:00 - [59] AF are hella fun to fly, but it is easy to get over confident in them. They usually are not very practical. Kinda like a little sports car you can jump into when you are tired of driving a big boring SUV. Its a rush taking a 30 mil frig (Ishkur) into battle, but it is kinda foolish from an isk/dps standpoint. Might as well spend a few more mill and get a Myr. I fly a starship across the Universe divide And when I reach the other side I'll find a place to rest my spirit if I can Perhaps I may become a highwayman again - Willie Nelson
Ryysa North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.10 14:54:00 - [60] Originally by: MrTripps AF are hella fun to fly, but it is easy to get over confident in them. They usually are not very practical. Kinda like a little sports car you can jump into when you are tired of driving a big boring SUV. Its a rush taking a 30 mil frig (Ishkur) into battle, but it is kinda foolish from an isk/dps standpoint. Might as well spend a few more mill and get a Myr. 100% agree with this :) N.F.F. Recruitment



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