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Jayne Tamm
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Posted - 2007.04.08 14:43:00 -
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Edited by: Jayne Tamm on 08/04/2007 14:44:43
Edited by: Jayne Tamm on 08/04/2007 14:42:21
just wondering how good are assault ships really?
im thinkin of trainin for them.....more likely the hawk or harpy (probably the hawk), but want to know wot their place is in the eve universe.
i currently have a battleship, which i love...but cant use many t2 stuff yet, and my skill points are still quite low...so was thinkin of downgrading and working my way up throught the ships as i max them out.
im gona keep my battleship so i can go on lvl4 missions with my corp mates...but i wanted to know how good say the hawk/ harpy is? and can they run in lvl4 missions in a gang along with other bc's and bs's?
also..how useful are they in gang pvp situations?
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ArtemisEntreri
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.08 14:50:00 -
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They're decent anti-support but they have a hard time evading heavier ship fire so a interceptor would fill any role they do and better in pvp. But npcing they're nice for killing frigates for your mates.
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Jayne Tamm
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Posted - 2007.04.08 15:12:00 -
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i thought coz of their scan signature they would be pretty hard to hit? unless missiles are being fired at you. also...do they not get called primary often? i thought that the emphasis would be on takin the big guys down first....and interceptors dont do as much damage do they?...im lookin for a ship that would be agood place to build up t2 modules...and also do a fair bit of damage...which they can do, right?
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.08 15:18:00 -
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No one calls assault frigs primary cause they're damage output is fairly low, e.g: the Hawk probably tops out around 100 dps, and a Blasterthron will manage about 4 times that. They are good for anti-frig duties though, and packs of them can ravage larger ships.
Interceptors aren't really meant to do huge damage, they are meant to speedtank, and to catch other ships in chases and scramble them for the rest of the gang to kill.
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 Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
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VanNostrum
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Posted - 2007.04.08 15:22:00 -
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Possible to get 200+dps on retribution, or 300+dps on wolf with full skills. Too bad they lack med slots, but awesome dps in gangs.
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Nether Haze
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Posted - 2007.04.08 15:22:00 -
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Sure, I wouldnt call a AF primary, but id be damn ****ed if noone was shooting at the nasty ishkurs spewing out drones, heh
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Tunajuice
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.08 15:32:00 -
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Hawk is crappy, I would advise not to.
For PVP harpy is fun.. spike lets you do 90-100 dps at 75-100km with nice tracking.
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Savros Hunturas
Caldari
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.08 21:22:00 -
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The Assault Frigate in a PvP role has one purpose.
That is to kill enemy tacklers and light support.
This role is the key job, and in fact all the AF's in the game are pretty good at it. The Harpy excels at hitting the targets at extreme range. While the Hawk equiped with percision missiles can almost 1 volly an intercepter at med to close range.
The AF is designed to kill other frigs, nothing more, and a good AF pilot in your gang can me the difference between a gang member who was called "primary" living, or dying. its that simple.
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Ryysa
North Face Force
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.08 21:25:00 -
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Edited by: Ryysa on 08/04/2007 21:22:14
AF sucks for pvp.
For pvp train inty or stabber.
Stabber will own any af 1v1, it will also do a hell of a better job at gunning down enemy tacklers.
An AF is a frigate with the speed and maneuverability of a cruiser yet with frigate sized tank and guns.
Not recommended.
Also, all those people posting inflated dps figures bore me to tears.
However, if you need to get some ratting done in 0.0 etc, then AF's are superb, especially the retribution vs DB/Sansha rats :)
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Savros Hunturas
Caldari
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.08 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Marquis Dean
No one calls assault frigs primary cause they're damage output is fairly low, e.g: the Hawk probably tops out around 100 dps, and a Blasterthron will manage about 4 times that. They are good for anti-frig duties though, and packs of them can ravage larger ships.
Interceptors aren't really meant to do huge damage, they are meant to speedtank, and to catch other ships in chases and scramble them for the rest of the gang to kill.
Ok like i posted earlier, the AF can and will not compare to the Dps of a battleship. That is not what it is designed for. It has a role in pvp. much like a blackbird or a tempest, or a commandship. we all have roles. Trust me if you get a crow orbiting u at 20km and he is scraming u, and next thing u know you are getting fired on by everything. your gonna hope there was an AF there to pop that crow asap
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Ryysa
North Face Force
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.08 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: Ryysa on 08/04/2007 21:26:40
but that's the point, the af will never catch that crow.
If you want dedicated anti-frig support, then that's what vagabonds, mwding huginns and stabbers are for.
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.08 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Savros Hunturas
Originally by: Marquis Dean
No one calls assault frigs primary cause they're damage output is fairly low, e.g: the Hawk probably tops out around 100 dps, and a Blasterthron will manage about 4 times that. They are good for anti-frig duties though, and packs of them can ravage larger ships.
Interceptors aren't really meant to do huge damage, they are meant to speedtank, and to catch other ships in chases and scramble them for the rest of the gang to kill.
Ok like i posted earlier, the AF can and will not compare to the Dps of a battleship. That is not what it is designed for. It has a role in pvp. much like a blackbird or a tempest, or a commandship. we all have roles. Trust me if you get a crow orbiting u at 20km and he is scraming u, and next thing u know you are getting fired on by everything. your gonna hope there was an AF there to pop that crow asap
... I know. Is that not exactly what I just said?
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Savros Hunturas
Caldari
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.08 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Edited by: Ryysa on 08/04/2007 21:22:14
AF sucks for pvp.
For pvp train inty or stabber.
Stabber will own any af 1v1, it will also do a hell of a better job at gunning down enemy tacklers.
An AF is a frigate with the speed and maneuverability of a cruiser yet with frigate sized tank and guns.
Not recommended.
Also, all those people posting inflated dps figures bore me to tears.
However, if you need to get some ratting done in 0.0 etc, then AF's are superb, especially the retribution vs DB/Sansha rats :)
they day a stabber does a better job shooting down intys at from range is the day i laugh.
Harpy is leathal from 95KM
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Savros Hunturas
Caldari
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.08 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Edited by: Ryysa on 08/04/2007 21:26:40
but that's the point, the af will never catch that crow.
If you want dedicated anti-frig support, then that's what vagabonds, mwding huginns and stabbers are for.
ok, well if you want a vang just drop the 150mil or so for it. ill stick with my 14mil harpy. and AF's arnt made for catching stuff. they are made for killing the catchers.
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Savros Hunturas
Caldari
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.08 21:48:00 -
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was getting off-topic but ok
To the OP, AF's are great for doing missions. i did every lvl 2 mission in the game with my Harpy, and almost every lvl 3. they are great ships and perfect for pve. The also do a good job at pvp when it comes a support role. just dont expect on killing a BS or BC in solo combat with 1.
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Talen Kross
T Miners
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Posted - 2007.04.08 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Savros Hunturas
was getting off-topic but ok
To the OP, AF's are great for doing missions. i did every lvl 2 mission in the game with my Harpy, and almost every lvl 3. they are great ships and perfect for pve. The also do a good job at pvp when it comes a support role. just dont expect on killing a BS or BC in solo combat with 1.
AFs are over kill for level 2s, hell a shield extended rifter can do level 2s. Afs are good for roaming gangs. The whole fun factor.
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
The Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.08 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Edited by: Ryysa on 08/04/2007 21:26:40
but that's the point, the af will never catch that crow.
If you want dedicated anti-frig support, then that's what vagabonds, mwding huginns and stabbers are for.
Or if you're a lower skilled character, grab a destroyer. The Thrasher in particular.
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Ryysa
North Face Force
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.08 23:35:00 -
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Edited by: Ryysa on 08/04/2007 23:31:20
Originally by: Savros Hunturas
Originally by: Ryysa
Edited by: Ryysa on 08/04/2007 21:22:14
AF sucks for pvp.
For pvp train inty or stabber.
Stabber will own any af 1v1, it will also do a hell of a better job at gunning down enemy tacklers.
An AF is a frigate with the speed and maneuverability of a cruiser yet with frigate sized tank and guns.
Not recommended.
Also, all those people posting inflated dps figures bore me to tears.
However, if you need to get some ratting done in 0.0 etc, then AF's are superb, especially the retribution vs DB/Sansha rats :)
they day a stabber does a better job shooting down intys at from range is the day i laugh.
Harpy is leathal from 95KM
The day a harpy kills my inty from 95km will never come, because when i notice it trying to do that i will re-warp after which i will swiftly go straight to that harpy and pwn it in the face.
Also from 95km range a Muninn or Rupture (albeit a bit closer) with t2 guns is much more lethal than your harpy throwing sticks and stones :D
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Flaming sambuka
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.08 23:38:00 -
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Why has everyone gotta post there lifestory.
Harpy and hawk suck.
They can be used for helping in missions if your that lame.
Inty>AF in a gang.
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Phish1
Liberty Forces
Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.09 01:44:00 -
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ishkur wins eve
seriously, use warrior IIs (and i dont mean 2 valk IIs and 3 warrior IIs, i mean 7 warrior IIs) and inties will run or die, frigs will die, and most AF's will die unless they have natural resists to explosive)
ishkur in gang is unbelivably good, able to tackle, anti-tackle, take a bit of dmg... does pretty much everything well...
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Elain Reverse
Caldari
Shokei
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Posted - 2007.04.09 01:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Edited by: Ryysa on 08/04/2007 23:31:20
Originally by: Savros Hunturas
Originally by: Ryysa
Edited by: Ryysa on 08/04/2007 21:22:14
AF sucks for pvp.
For pvp train inty or stabber.
Stabber will own any af 1v1, it will also do a hell of a better job at gunning down enemy tacklers.
An AF is a frigate with the speed and maneuverability of a cruiser yet with frigate sized tank and guns.
Not recommended.
Also, all those people posting inflated dps figures bore me to tears.
However, if you need to get some ratting done in 0.0 etc, then AF's are superb, especially the retribution vs DB/Sansha rats :)
they day a stabber does a better job shooting down intys at from range is the day i laugh.
Harpy is leathal from 95KM
The day a harpy kills my inty from 95km will never come, because when i notice it trying to do that i will re-warp after which i will swiftly go straight to that harpy and pwn it in the face.
Also from 95km range a Muninn or Rupture (albeit a bit closer) with t2 guns is much more lethal than your harpy throwing sticks and stones :D
Please Ryysa
When you notice Harpy is shooting at you, most likely you are half way to hell.
And they usualy dont fly solo. Thay also have few times more resists you have and also more DPS you have in your inty.
And please tell me how to warp from 95km.
For L1-2 missions they are great, posibly even most l3s anf for DED complexes 
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Vanadar
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Posted - 2007.04.09 02:04:00 -
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Harpy
Light Neutron Blaster II [80xVoid S]
Light Neutron Blaster II [80xVoid S]
Light Neutron Blaster II [80xVoid S]
Light Neutron Blaster II [80xVoid S]
Small 'Knave' I Energy Drain
Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster
1MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler I
Photon Scattering Field II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Alpha Reactor Control: Diagnostic System
Rigs : Empty Slot \ Empty Slot \
1120 shield, 6.29/s, E/T/K/Ex=55/79/69/59
571 armor, E/T/K/Ex=59/86/62/10
438.28124180436134 cap, +8.04/s, -12.697/s
552.0 m/s
172.3 DPS
172 DPS is pretty kickass. The Assault Frigate is honestly godlike if you fit it as such... You can pretty much kill and non anti-frig specified t1 ship inculing BSes. I've killed many in mine till i moved to the blaster Eagle. Amazign ships those are.
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Savros Hunturas
Caldari
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.09 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Phish1
ishkur wins eve
seriously, use warrior IIs (and i dont mean 2 valk IIs and 3 warrior IIs, i mean 7 warrior IIs) and inties will run or die, frigs will die, and most AF's will die unless they have natural resists to explosive)
ishkur in gang is unbelivably good, able to tackle, anti-tackle, take a bit of dmg... does pretty much everything well...
your completely right there. The Ishkur is the only AF i avoid like the plague. The only way to kill them is to pop their drones before your run out of cap. And ya The Ishkur is an amazing heavy tackler with some serious survieablity with dps to boot.
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Savros Hunturas
Caldari
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.09 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Edited by: Ryysa on 08/04/2007 23:31:20
Originally by: Savros Hunturas
Originally by: Ryysa
Edited by: Ryysa on 08/04/2007 21:22:14
AF sucks for pvp.
For pvp train inty or stabber.
Stabber will own any af 1v1, it will also do a hell of a better job at gunning down enemy tacklers.
An AF is a frigate with the speed and maneuverability of a cruiser yet with frigate sized tank and guns.
Not recommended.
Also, all those people posting inflated dps figures bore me to tears.
However, if you need to get some ratting done in 0.0 etc, then AF's are superb, especially the retribution vs DB/Sansha rats :)
they day a stabber does a better job shooting down intys at from range is the day i laugh.
Harpy is leathal from 95KM
The day a harpy kills my inty from 95km will never come, because when i notice it trying to do that i will re-warp after which i will swiftly go straight to that harpy and pwn it in the face.
Also from 95km range a Muninn or Rupture (albeit a bit closer) with t2 guns is much more lethal than your harpy throwing sticks and stones :D
ok look, im not trying to make some huge deal about Dps. I KNOW THAT A AF CAN NOT DO MORE DPS THAN A CRUISER!!! i never once said it could. all im saying is that an AF has a major fleet and gang role.
so im sorry but im not gonna get into a ****ing contest with ya.
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VJ Maverick
Caldari
Maverick Specialized Services
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Posted - 2007.04.09 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
An AF is a frigate with the speed and maneuverability of a cruiser
I'm only familiar with minnie AF's - the jag and the wolf - and I can say with all certainty that the above statement definitely does not apply to them.
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Ryysa
North Face Force
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.09 02:27:00 -
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Edited by: Ryysa on 09/04/2007 02:23:50
Originally by: Elain Reverse
Please Ryysa
When you notice Harpy is shooting at you, most likely you are half way to hell.
And they usualy dont fly solo. Thay also have few times more resists you have and also more DPS you have in your inty.
And please tell me how to warp from 95km.
No, you are not, it does pathetically crap damage.
How do resists matter if it can't hit me? Just a question of time.
Also, tell me what happens if a harpy jumps into a gatecamp with an inty and if an inty jumps into a gatecamp with an inty?
Which one warps out? Which one dies?
Originally by: Phish1
ishkur wins eve
seriously, use warrior IIs (and i dont mean 2 valk IIs and 3 warrior IIs, i mean 7 warrior IIs) and inties will run or die, frigs will die, and most AF's will die unless they have natural resists to explosive)
ishkur in gang is unbelivably good, able to tackle, anti-tackle, take a bit of dmg... does pretty much everything well...
And one single cruiser will pwn it for a fraction of the cost.
Originally by: VJ Maverick
Originally by: Ryysa
An AF is a frigate with the speed and maneuverability of a cruiser
I'm only familiar with minnie AF's - the jag and the wolf - and I can say with all certainty that the above statement definitely does not apply to them.
Ever flew stabber with evasive maneuvering 5 and some agility mods?
I mean honestly, I don't have anything against af's, I think they are great for PvE.
Just stop making up "roles" for it for pvp, they have no role other than being an isk sink. You could say that a covetor has a role in pvp because it can field drones.
The question is about cost efficiency. Everything an AF can do in PvP a cruiser does better at only a fraction of the cost, while not being less survivable.
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Durindana
Gallente
Solar Wind
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.09 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Edited by: Ryysa on 08/04/2007 23:31:20
Originally by: Savros Hunturas
Originally by: Ryysa
Edited by: Ryysa on 08/04/2007 21:22:14
AF sucks for pvp.
For pvp train inty or stabber.
Stabber will own any af 1v1, it will also do a hell of a better job at gunning down enemy tacklers.
An AF is a frigate with the speed and maneuverability of a cruiser yet with frigate sized tank and guns.
Not recommended.
Also, all those people posting inflated dps figures bore me to tears.
However, if you need to get some ratting done in 0.0 etc, then AF's are superb, especially the retribution vs DB/Sansha rats :)
they day a stabber does a better job shooting down intys at from range is the day i laugh.
Harpy is leathal from 95KM
The day a harpy kills my inty from 95km will never come, because when i notice it trying to do that i will re-warp after which i will swiftly go straight to that harpy and pwn it in the face.
Also from 95km range a Muninn or Rupture (albeit a bit closer) with t2 guns is much more lethal than your harpy throwing sticks and stones :D
Is there any way to /ignore ryssa's posts? She's constantly saying stupid things
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Ryysa
North Face Force
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.09 02:38:00 -
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Now the above would be trolling.
If you feel that my posts are offensive and offtopic please e-mail the mods and kindly ask them to moderate me.
Perhaps we play the game for different reasons.
When I see a ship, I don't go "oh it looks cool". I go hmmm how cost-effective would it be to use this in pvp?
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eXtas
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.04.09 02:38:00 -
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af's are totaly pointless unless u are npc'ing
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6Bagheera9
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.09 02:41:00 -
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Ignore the guy directly above me. Anytime someone starts making extremely generalized statements about an entire class of ships, its pretty safe to assume that they have no idea what they are talking about. AFs are not as good at tackling as interceptors and they do suffer from not having 4 real bonuses, but they can be evil little buggers in the right hands. They make great escorts and are ideal damage dealers in small frig gangs.
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