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Velicitia Open Designs 245	Posted - 2011.12.26 17:16:00 - [61] - Quote Pillowtalk wrote: SmegB wrote: Your right we should take all the mean stuff in eve and float it down the river of tears that has been created by people that cry about dieing. Hear is one fact that may upset you carebears. EVE would not be still in business if they did not allow people to shoot each other. I really don't think thats true. I would happily pay double for a PVE version of Eve. Balancing a PVE server would be cake. Add more NPC's and keep cranking up their difficulty until you got a stable economy. Hell you could even have random NPC fleets attack POS's and any other player owned or operated structure. They did the "better AI" thing with Sleepers, and Sansha. At first, people screamed that the new rats were too hard. CCP told the players to HTFU, and didn't touch anything with the "difficulty". Fast forward a few weeks and everyone knows how to fit against the sleepers or sansha now. As has been stated already, the whole premise in EVE is Player v. Player interaction, be it combat or the market or ship spinning (which I fail at, only have 1024 as my personal high score. It's embarrassing, really). Yeah, it means that there are instances where you get kicked when you're down ... but it also means that you can come out on top. If there's no PVP allowed, well, the market will be removed too. You'll sell veldspar to NPCs for 3 ISK/unit, and buy trit at 1 ISK/unit (or whatever the base values of the minerals in the DB are). Whatever it is you built with that trit will then be sold back to NPCs, because selling to other players isn't allowed ... because you'll undercut the other guy by 0.01 ISK to make a sale faster. By undercutting that other guy, well.. you just made the game less fun for him.
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 65	Posted - 2011.12.26 20:03:00 - [62] - Quote Velicitia wrote: As has been stated already, the whole premise in EVE is Player v. Player interaction, be it combat or the market or ship spinning Stated yes, but is it true ? Where exactly is this a pronouncement on the true function and purpose of EVE the Game by CCP ?? I missed THAT memo. IT"S A SANDBOX. There are ways of playing and things to do that would require absolute silence and NO interaction with other players at all for YEARS. Avoiding the Market and Contracts would be idiotic, so I guess one would have to interact there, but that is not exactly personal. Also, I don't think the person you responded to was implying a completely PvP free EVE. I certainly would not want that. I believe the implication is PvP-Free Areas of SOME nature. That's all. Ironically, Chribba MAY be the only one playing EVE properly from the aspect of determining one's own gameplay and following through with unwavering longevity ! OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Velicitia Open Designs 245	Posted - 2011.12.26 21:13:00 - [63] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Velicitia wrote: As has been stated already, the whole premise in EVE is Player v. Player interaction, be it combat or the market or ship spinning Stated yes, but is it true ? Where exactly is this a pronouncement on the true function and purpose of EVE the Game by CCP ?? I missed THAT memo. IT"S A SANDBOX. CCP Games wrote: You are not restricted by predefined character classes or professions. You can trade to make a living, conduct mining operations, market your fighting skills as a mercenary, camp the spacelanes for profit as a pirate, conduct espionage and infiltration, focus on research and manufacturing, or perform increasingly profitable missions for NPC (non player controlled, run by the EVE system) agents. What you choose to do day by day is up to you. You can play alone, form a corporation (equivalent of clan or guild) with a close group of friends or seek entrance to any of the large player run corporations and alliances already established. from here --> http://www.eveonline.com/faq/faq_01.asp OK, so not everything they list is directly PvP (I'm looking at you missions) ... but the rest of the stuff is based on player interaction. No player interaction, and you can't trade or be a merc, or a pirate, or spy. Sure you could mine, research, or manufacture ... but without trading the stuff on the market, it's pretty pointless to do that stuff (within the confines of the "pointless" activity that playing a game is). If you want more specifics, The Butterfly Effect seems to pretty much flat out tell you that player interaction is the thing to do. Also, the Causality trailer touches on it too... Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: There are ways of playing and things to do that would require absolute silence and NO interaction with other players at all for YEARS. Avoiding the Market and Contracts would be idiotic, so I guess one would have to interact there, but that is not exactly personal. Also, I don't think the person you responded to was implying a completely PvP free EVE. I certainly would not want that. I believe the implication is PvP-Free Areas of SOME nature. That's all. what are these things that one could do in eve with absolutely zero player interaction for years? Regardless of the fact that contracts or the market are impersonal, a scammer can still nab someone. You wouldn't have scams if there was no player aspect to the market or contracts. The CQ is PVP-free
Cybele Lanier Viziam Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2011.12.26 21:30:00 - [64] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Notice the language they use like "river of tears'. My God, I love literature and wordplay, but these quasi-religious histrionics really show the truly insane picture here. In fairness, we have hyperbolic accusations of gankers being RL psychopaths, so it all evens out. Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Sometimes, people just want to actually 'relax after work casually' in a game and that should be a part of a sandbox. It's not crying about dying (learn how to spell SmegB), it's being 'involuntarily engaged'. I believe that is called R A P E. Or ridiculous comparisons of getting some pixels blown up to being sexually assaulted. My God, I love literature and wordplay, but these quasi-religious histrionics really show the truly insane picture here.
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1094	Posted - 2011.12.26 22:16:00 - [65] - Quote Laughter is the best medicine. Ganking is hilarious Ganking should be made easier to keep people healthy. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1381	Posted - 2011.12.27 00:54:00 - [66] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Andski wrote: why are miners such entitled babies????? Why are Gankers such entitled babies ???? Takes MONTHS to get into a Hulk, and Gankers can POP in DAYS. Training time doesn't justify making ships less vulnerable. YOU ARE DUMB YOU ARE DUMB YOU ARE DUMB YOU ARE DUMB YOU ARE DUMB YOU ARE DUMB
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 73	Posted - 2011.12.27 16:33:00 - [67] - Quote Velicitia wrote: [There are ways of playing and things to do that would require absolute silence and NO interaction with other players at all for YEARS. Avoiding the Market and Contracts would be idiotic, so I guess one would have to interact there, but that is not exactly personal. Also, I don't think the person you responded to was implying a completely PvP free EVE. I certainly would not want that. I believe the implication is PvP-Free Areas of SOME nature. That's all. what are these things that one could do in eve with absolutely zero player interaction for years? Regardless of the fact that contracts or the market are impersonal, a scammer can still nab someone. You wouldn't have scams if there was no player aspect to the market or contracts. The CQ is PVP-free [/quote] NO PLAY INTERACTION IS REQUIRED. PERIOD. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 73	Posted - 2011.12.27 16:34:00 - [68] - Quote Cybele Lanier wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Notice the language they use like "river of tears'. My God, I love literature and wordplay, but these quasi-religious histrionics really show the truly insane picture here. In fairness, we have hyperbolic accusations of gankers being RL psychopaths, so it all evens out. Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Sometimes, people just want to actually 'relax after work casually' in a game and that should be a part of a sandbox. It's not crying about dying (learn how to spell SmegB), it's being 'involuntarily engaged'. I believe that is called R A P E. Or ridiculous comparisons of getting some pixels blown up to being sexually assaulted. My God, I love literature and wordplay, but these quasi-religious histrionics really show the truly insane picture here. yawn OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 166	Posted - 2011.12.27 16:35:00 - [69] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Laughter is the best medicine. Ganking is hilarious Ganking should be made easier to keep people healthy. well you assume that other people actually have fun by suicide ganking someone. I know i dont.
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 73	Posted - 2011.12.27 16:35:00 - [70] - Quote Andski wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Andski wrote: why are miners such entitled babies????? Why are Gankers such entitled babies ???? Takes MONTHS to get into a Hulk, and Gankers can POP in DAYS. Training time doesn't justify making ships less vulnerable. YOU ARE DUMB YOU ARE DUMB YOU ARE DUMB YOU ARE DUMB YOU ARE DUMB YOU ARE DUMB Say WHAAATTTTTTTTTTTTT ????? OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 73	Posted - 2011.12.27 20:47:00 - [71] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Ganking is hilarious How so ? OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Endeavour Starfleet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 62	Posted - 2011.12.27 20:53:00 - [72] - Quote Stop dragging the topic all over the place with flame baits and otherwise idiotic comparisons to RL and other BS. Stop trying to convince goons why easy cheap ganks are wrong. It is CCP that you want to present a clear solution to and I have done that. Multiple times. HULL HP INCREASE! Test it on Sisi. Find what works best! Anybody have some rough calculations on how much Hull HP would be needed with a 50 percent ommi resist? (Damage control) To survive a 95M or so Tornado Or Oracle fit for the average hisec system?
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1095	Posted - 2011.12.28 03:19:00 - [73] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: Ganking is hilarious How so ? Try it and you'll see. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1095	Posted - 2011.12.28 03:19:00 - [74] - Quote Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: Laughter is the best medicine. Ganking is hilarious Ganking should be made easier to keep people healthy. well you assume that other people actually have fun by suicide ganking someone. I know i dont. Then obviously you're doing it wrong. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Skydell Space Mermaids 28	Posted - 2011.12.28 03:29:00 - [75] - Quote Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Stop dragging the topic all over the place with flame baits and otherwise idiotic comparisons to RL and other BS. Stop trying to convince goons why easy cheap ganks are wrong. It is CCP that you want to present a clear solution to and I have done that. Multiple times. HULL HP INCREASE! Test it on Sisi. Find what works best! Anybody have some rough calculations on how much Hull HP would be needed with a 50 percent ommi resist? (Damage control) To survive a 95M or so Tornado Or Oracle fit for the average hisec system? Percentage stacking doesn't really work for a Hulk. 25% of sweet ** all is still sweet ** all. They do have shield bonus and several mid slots but you can't buffer the shield because you don't have the cpu and powergrid to support it. Hulk has 35 PG, Large extenders require 150-165 PG each. Just checked, you can support smalls for buffer. You will get around 1200 more shield and thats about 25% of what you need to buffer an alpha fit.
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 167	Posted - 2011.12.28 04:56:00 - [76] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: Laughter is the best medicine. Ganking is hilarious Ganking should be made easier to keep people healthy. well you assume that other people actually have fun by suicide ganking someone. I know i dont. Then obviously you're doing it wrong. Yep, i am hopeless carebear, i feel bad for attacking someone who did not do any harm to me on an personal level. On an alliance/corp level it doesnt really matter since i am just part of the pack. More people means less human.. Just another number in the fleet. also inb4 humanity invention : genocide, torture, etc.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1388	Posted - 2011.12.28 06:16:00 - [77] - Quote you can get 30k EHP out of a hulk, but it means that you have to give up yield, suck it up and deal with it
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1097	Posted - 2011.12.28 09:21:00 - [78] - Quote Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: On an alliance/corp level it doesnt really matter since i am just part of the pack. More people means less human.. Just another number in the fleet. One of the best things about ganking is that while you can do it with friends you can have just as much fun solo! If you don't want to be part of the pack you don't have to be. Try it...you'll like it. The first time some loser threatens RL violence because you killed his mining ship pixels and you get his account banned you'll thank me. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Munio J Makeanen United Starbase Systems 0	Posted - 2011.12.28 12:16:00 - [79] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: On an alliance/corp level it doesnt really matter since i am just part of the pack. More people means less human.. Just another number in the fleet. One of the best things about ganking is that while you can do it with friends you can have just as much fun solo! If you don't want to be part of the pack you don't have to be. Try it...you'll like it. The first time some loser threatens RL violence because you killed his mining ship pixels and you get his account banned you'll thank me. Don't know it is bit boring after 3 4 5 times same thing over again there are no twists and with proper planning ther results are predetermined . But people like to hit pinatas ... And ganking is exactly what that is. with the difference that the rat is piloted by a player. about as much risk and about as fun.
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 193	Posted - 2011.12.28 17:37:00 - [80] - Quote Andski wrote: you can get 30k EHP out of a hulk, but it means that you have to give up yield, suck it up and deal with it [Hulk,] Damage Control II Draclira's Modified Power Diagnostic System Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender Estamel's Modified Heat Dissipation Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Extender II Medium Core Defence Field Extender II You can actually get 50k ehp ... 37k vs EMP /note : PG8 required + all V Really good fit for an hulk still gonna get one shotted by few nados.. Your fairy hulk doesnt really cut it.
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1104	Posted - 2011.12.28 17:46:00 - [81] - Quote Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Andski wrote: you can get 30k EHP out of a hulk, but it means that you have to give up yield, suck it up and deal with it [Hulk,] Damage Control II Draclira's Modified Power Diagnostic System Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender Estamel's Modified Heat Dissipation Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Extender II Medium Core Defence Field Extender II You can actually get 50k ehp ... 37k vs EMP /note : PG8 required + all V Really good fit for an hulk still gonna get one shotted by few nados.. Your fairy hulk doesnt really cut it. Or they could not gimp their yield by fitting a tank and just not be AFK. Anybody actually playing the game and taking proper precautions will never be ganked no matter how their ship is fit. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 193	Posted - 2011.12.28 17:48:00 - [82] - Quote @ Ladie Harlot True everyone who got 8 BM in system and is allways alligned to one of them and keep in range .. will actually never get killed. But Scenario Everyone does that Some "combat ship" appears on grid everyone warps.. Person in "combat ship", probably mentally ill, will laugh People in mining ships will lose time Result Same as before but the one who does the ganking lose nothing for same effect..
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1104	Posted - 2011.12.28 17:52:00 - [83] - Quote Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: @ Ladie Harlot True everyone who got 8 BM in system and is allways alligned to one of them and keep in range .. will actually never get killed. But Scenario Everyone does that Some "combat ship" appears on grid everyone warps.. Person in "combat ship", probably mentally ill, will laugh People in mining ships will lose time Result Same as before but the one who does the ganking lose nothing for same effect.. Then it becomes just like everything else in the game: is the reward high enough to justify the risk. Why do you think miners should be completely safe when nobody else in the game is? The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 193	Posted - 2011.12.28 17:55:00 - [84] - Quote I dont.. You are right to an extend. At current population and preferences its non-issue Few hulks/mackinaws/retrievers get destroyed.. not a big deal there.. What i think that mining needs serious overhaul, just to make it profitable and actually meaningful.. I know big null alliances got industrial corps in them for obvious purpose, but honestly who would mine veldspar in null Unless they all live in communist utopia working for better tomorrow.
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 77	Posted - 2011.12.28 20:37:00 - [85] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: Ganking is hilarious How so ? Try it and you'll see. I have. It's thrill, and a bit scary of course....and hoping to avoid the embarrassment of failure. But HILARIOUS ? Still have not answred this...................... OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 77	Posted - 2011.12.28 20:39:00 - [86] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: well you assume that other people actually have fun by suicide ganking someone. I know i dont. Then obviously you're doing it wrong. .........just like your life, you mean? Frickin' Goons...................... OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 77	Posted - 2011.12.28 20:40:00 - [87] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: On an alliance/corp level it doesnt really matter since i am just part of the pack. More people means less human.. Just another number in the fleet. One of the best things about ganking is that while you can do it with friends you can have just as much fun solo! If you don't want to be part of the pack you don't have to be. Try it...you'll like it. The first time some loser threatens RL violence because you killed his mining ship pixels and you get his account banned you'll thank me. Sounds like a great way to NOT earn descent ISK ingame, TBH. And they say Ice Mining is unprofitable ????? OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 77	Posted - 2011.12.28 20:42:00 - [88] - Quote Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: [Hulk,] Damage Control II Draclira's Modified Power Diagnostic System Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender Estamel's Modified Heat Dissipation Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Extender II Medium Core Defence Field Extender II You can actually get 50k ehp ... 37k vs EMP /note : PG8 required + all V Really good fit for an hulk still gonna get one shotted by few nados.. Your fairy hulk doesnt really cut it. REALLY....all you need is 2 Invuln Fields and the Ship Scanner. Can fit 2 Mining Upgrad II's in the Lows STILL then. That Damage Control is useless during the power of a Gank, if those Invulns don't help you. Sorry but Invulns and Drones are your only Hope. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 77	Posted - 2011.12.28 20:49:00 - [89] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Why do you think miners should be completely safe when nobody else in the game is? Where do you get the idea that what is wanted is COMPLETELY SAFE mining ? The issue is, the unbalance is TOO severe. I certainly do not want the risk taken away, but a Paper Bag defending against Flying Scissors is not even a Real Life scenario. No industrialist would even bother to risk equipment so shodilly equiped into a war zone (which EVE is BTW). I can just see a RL mining operation..."Lets go mine some sandstone (or WHATever) in Afghanistan RIGHT NOW and use only civilian equipment. Yeah right. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1103	Posted - 2011.12.28 20:55:00 - [90] - Quote well industrial ships namely mining vessels doesnt make any sense from "any" sci-fi perspective.. Mining vessels ussually were beasts massive armors/ huge ships.. something like "super-capitals" in game.. Many of industrial ships were repurpossed to vicious battle-ship like vessels.

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