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Distun La Stere Guinea Pigs	Posted - 2007.04.10 12:33:00 - [1] Why aren't there all the named 10mn in game now ? Why do I need to spend 150M ISK on a mwd just slightly better than t2 ? This is wrong and there is no viable excuse.
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.04.10 12:35:00 - [2] There's the Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Afterburners, and they don't cost 150 million isk. --- Indigo Fade is now selling jumpclones for superb prices, please see Marquis Dean's bio and/or evemail/convo him ingame.
Distun La Stere Guinea Pigs	Posted - 2007.04.10 12:38:00 - [3] Read again my post, take your time, then delete yours.
Loree Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.04.10 12:41:00 - [4] Those comments have no place on these forum - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.04.10 12:42:00 - [5] OK dip**, let's read your post. Originally by:** Distun Why aren't there all the named 10mn in game now ? There was only ever one named 10MN microwarpdrive. That module is called the Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I MicroWarpDrive. Originally by: Distun Why do I need to spend 150M ISK on a mwd just slightly better than t2 ? It cost's 4.2 million in Dodixie, right now. And it isn't better than T2. Originally by: Distun This is wrong and there is no viable excuse. Aww, are you gonna sue CCP? --- Indigo Fade is now selling jumpclones for superb prices, please see Marquis Dean's bio and/or evemail/convo him ingame.
Distun La Stere Guinea Pigs	Posted - 2007.04.10 12:46:00 - [6] Originally by: Marquis Dean OK dip**, let's read your post. Originally by:** Distun Why aren't there all the named 10mn in game now ? There was only ever one named 10MN microwarpdrive. That module is called the Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I MicroWarpDrive. Originally by: Distun Why do I need to spend 150M ISK on a mwd just slightly better than t2 ? It cost's 4.2 million in Dodixie, right now. And it isn't better than T2. Originally by: Distun This is wrong and there is no viable excuse. Aww, are you gonna sue CCP? Let me guide you through this obviously very hard task.You need to right click and then choose the show info option on a 10mn microwarpdrive, then select the variations tab.Have a long look at what's there and tell me that there's just 'Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I MicroWarpDrive'.Then maybe you should take the other guy's offer and join his corp.
Wardog 1 Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.10 12:52:00 - [7] Originally by: Distun Let me guide you through this obviously very hard task.You need to right click and then choose the show info option on a 10mn microwarpdrive, then select the variations tab.Have a long look at what's there and tell me that there's just 'Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I MicroWarpDrive'.Then maybe you should take the other guy's offer and join his corp. Dig around a bit, you'll realise that theres a difference between named and faction items, faction is better than T2 and does cost a lot, but without the use of this word you sound like a bambling fool.
Ralara Caldari Lilandri Foundation	Posted - 2007.04.10 12:52:00 - [8] It's probably a bug. It still exists, I got one as loot yesterday so it's still in the loot tables. I'm a corp thief. And remember, I only do it because I like your robot.
Distun La Stere Guinea Pigs	Posted - 2007.04.10 12:53:00 - [9] I'm sorry,but named includes faction,officer and so on.You probably been playing too long and don't recognize the true meaning of the word.
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.04.10 12:54:00 - [10] Originally by: Distun Let me guide you through this obviously very hard task.You need to right click and then choose the show info option on a 10mn microwarpdrive, then select the variations tab.Have a long look at what's there and tell me that there's just 'Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I MicroWarpDrive'.Then maybe you should take the other guy's offer and join his corp. sigh Let's have a look then. T1: 10MN Microwarpdrive I Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive. Everything else is T2, storyline, faction or deadspace. Once again, the Y-T8 is the only named 10mN mwd in the game. --- Indigo Fade is now selling jumpclones for superb prices, please see Marquis Dean's bio and/or evemail/convo him ingame.
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.04.10 12:55:00 - [11] Originally by: Distun I'm sorry,but named includes faction,officer and so on.You probably been playing too long and don't recognize the true meaning of the word. No mate, you're wrong. And now you look quite the fool. --- Indigo Fade is now selling jumpclones for superb prices, please see Marquis Dean's bio and/or evemail/convo him ingame.
Hoshi Blackguard Brigade Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.10 12:55:00 - [12] For some items t2 is better than best named, for others best named is better than t2 and for some they are equally good. Just how it is. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations
Hoshi Blackguard Brigade Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.10 12:56:00 - [13] Originally by: Distun I'm sorry,but named includes faction,officer and so on.You probably been playing too long and don't recognize the true meaning of the word. Named has ALWAYS been used to ONLY include t1 meta modules. Nothing else ever. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.04.10 12:58:00 - [14] Edited by: Marquis Dean on 10/04/2007 12:54:25 And so, in regard to your now-clarified OP. Faction/deadspace modules cost alot of isk because they are rare. It has always been this way. --- Indigo Fade is now selling jumpclones for superb prices, please see Marquis Dean's bio and/or evemail/convo him ingame.
Terianna Eri Amarr STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.10 13:00:00 - [15] Guys, relax. Seriously. Nobody's dumb here. "Why aren't there all the named 10mn in game now?" is Distun's question. There are indeed more MWDs than the Y-T8, the t1, and the t2. However the Y-T8 is the only one classfied as "named." - the others are "faction," "deadspace," or "storyline" In contrast there are two non-faction variants - "named" if you will - variations of the 1mn MWD. (the 100mn mwd also, like the 10mn, has only one named variation) But aside from that slight variation, there is the same number of variations for 10mn microwarpdrives as there are for 1mn microwarpdrives, even including weird things like "storyline." As for them actually being dropped? Well, that I can't say, but they're definitely ingame and under the "variations" tab. So to answer your question: All of the 10mn mwd ARE ingame :) And consider the fact that an X-Type armor repairer is not 20 times more effective than t2, but still about 20x the cost :) so that might explain the price. __________________________________ <-- Behold, the eve-o forums
Distun La Stere Guinea Pigs	Posted - 2007.04.10 13:00:00 - [16] Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: Distun Let me guide you through this obviously very hard task.You need to right click and then choose the show info option on a 10mn microwarpdrive, then select the variations tab.Have a long look at what's there and tell me that there's just 'Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I MicroWarpDrive'.Then maybe you should take the other guy's offer and join his corp. sigh Let's have a look then. T1: 10MN Microwarpdrive I Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive. Everything else is T2, storyline, faction or deadspace. Once again, the Y-T8 is the only named 10mN mwd in the game. 10MN Microwarpdrive I - T1 Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive named mwd 10MN Microwarpdrive II - T2 fation,deadspace,officer,storyline - named mwd's.
Horza Otho Minmatar Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2007.04.10 13:03:00 - [17] Edited by: Horza Otho on 10/04/2007 13:01:09 Originally by: Distun Originally by: Marquis Dean OK dipsht, let's read your post. Originally by:* Distun Why aren't there all the named 10mn in game now ? There was only ever one named 10MN microwarpdrive. That module is called the Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I MicroWarpDrive. Originally by: Distun Why do I need to spend 150M ISK on a mwd just slightly better than t2 ? It cost's 4.2 million in Dodixie, right now. And it isn't better than T2. Originally by: Distun This is wrong and there is no viable excuse. Aww, are you gonna sue CCP? Let me guide you through this obviously very hard task.You need to right click and then choose the show info option on a 10mn microwarpdrive, then select the variations tab.Have a long look at what's there and tell me that there's just 'Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I MicroWarpDrive'.Then maybe you should take the other guy's offer and join his corp. Those comments are not needed on these forums - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Distun La Stere Guinea Pigs	Posted - 2007.04.10 13:05:00 - [18] And now,besides the argument about what is consired named and what isn't,what I was referring to I think was pretty obvious from my first post, where I mentioned that there was just one mwd slightly better than the t2 one in game and it costs a bunch. Also, the issue here is not that the rare loot is more expensive than t1 and t2, but the fact that the domination 10mn mwd is the only better than t2 mwd that is in game and because of that it is so much more expensive.If all the other or many of the other variations were in the game,as they should be,this would probably be the price of the higher end mwds. That's the actual issue.
Gartel Reiman Project F3	Posted - 2007.04.10 13:06:00 - [19] Originally by: Distun fation,deadspace,officer,storyline - named mwd's. Still wrong. Originally by: Hoshi Named has ALWAYS been used to ONLY include t1 meta modules. Nothing else ever. QFT.
Distun La Stere Guinea Pigs	Posted - 2007.04.10 13:07:00 - [20] Originally by: Gartel Reiman Originally by: Distun fation,deadspace,officer,storyline - named mwd's. Still wrong. Originally by: Hoshi Named has ALWAYS been used to ONLY include t1 meta modules. Nothing else ever. QFT. Please define t1 metamodules.Are faction,deadspace and officer t2 metamodules? t1.5 ?
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.04.10 13:07:00 - [21] Originally by: Distun fation,deadspace,officer,storyline - named mwd's. Actually: Faction = Faction Deadspace = Deadspace Officer = Officer Storyline = Storyline --- Indigo Fade is now selling jumpclones for superb prices, please see Marquis Dean's bio and/or evemail/convo him ingame.
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.04.10 13:16:00 - [22] --- Indigo Fade is now selling jumpclones for superb prices, please see Marquis Dean's bio and/or evemail/convo him ingame.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.04.10 13:23:00 - [23] So, Distun, you take the already established EVE naming scheme that has "T1, named T1, T2, deadspace, faction, officer" separations (where faction/officer are NOT "named T1" modules) and you claim out of the blue, that FOR YOU "named T1" also includes "faction" and "officer" and expect any sort of understanding ? It's even freaking listed under "meta group" in the compare window. "Named T1" is just T1. T2, Deadspace, Faction and Officer have separate meta groups. Now, I'm not sure if you noticed, but NONE of the T1 named ab/mwd are better as the T2 version, and the T2 version is never better (speed-boost-wise) as faction/deadspace. So, what was your complaint again, anyway ? I fail to see how 10mn follows a different scheme from 1mn or 100mn. No, wait, I don't "fail to see", I see clearly that it's NOT different at all. _ MySkills \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Hoshi Blackguard Brigade Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.10 13:34:00 - [24] Edited by: Hoshi on 10/04/2007 13:32:26 Meta is CCPs own internal differentiation of mods. All mods have a meta value. For pure T1 (where no basic/civilan exist) the meta level is 0, and then it increases with each mod. T1 meta means all mods listed under the T1 heading in the variations tab except the standard t1 mod. T2 meta are the same as T1 but for those under the T2 heading (only a handful of T2 mods have a meta version). ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.10 13:43:00 - [25] I am sorry, i just had to join everyone in awarding Distun the snip of the day award Named items never included faction/deadspace/officer/storyline items, for one simple reason: named items are easily available as loot, while the others are rare. And it's because they are rare that they cost so much. That is not needed on these forums - Kreul Intentions ([email protected]) == Above comments are my personal views Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.10 13:46:00 - [26] Originally by: Hoshi Originally by: Distun I'm sorry,but named includes faction,officer and so on.You probably been playing too long and don't recognize the true meaning of the word. Named has ALWAYS been used to ONLY include t1 meta modules. Nothing else ever. 'Smoke Screen' Cov Ops Cloak II Fight against log off tactics to protect your space from isk farmers!

Kreul Intentions Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.04.10 14:00:00 - [27] Wow, just wow. Please be respectful of others regardless if you agree or disagree with their way of thinking. If you can not post without attacking the person, then do not post again. Stay on topic, post constructive thoughts. Thank you. forum rules \| [email protected]

Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.04.10 14:08:00 - [28] Originally by: Kreul Intentions Wow, just wow. Heh heh, we are a nasty bunch aren't we? --- Indigo Fade is now selling jumpclones for superb prices, please see Marquis Dean's bio and/or evemail/convo him ingame.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.04.10 14:19:00 - [29] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 10/04/2007 14:15:56 The reason why your faction MWD costs more than non-faction, but still named MWD is because people are happy to pay 150mil for one. Its not CCP dictating the prices - its other players Supply vs Demand. Heck, if they were cheapass, then I would fit them on every ship I own. Its a bit like saying "Why does this Gist-X XL booster cost more than t2?" -- Billion Isk Mission
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.10 14:20:00 - [30] Originally by: Distun Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: Distun Let me guide you through this obviously very hard task.You need to right click and then choose the show info option on a 10mn microwarpdrive, then select the variations tab.Have a long look at what's there and tell me that there's just 'Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I MicroWarpDrive'.Then maybe you should take the other guy's offer and join his corp. sigh Let's have a look then. T1: 10MN Microwarpdrive I Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive. Everything else is T2, storyline, faction or deadspace. Once again, the Y-T8 is the only named 10mN mwd in the game. 10MN Microwarpdrive I - T1 Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive named mwd 10MN Microwarpdrive II - T2 fation,deadspace,officer,storyline - named mwd's. 10MN Microwarpdrive I - T1 Y-T8 - named MWD II - T2 Faction etc... - faction etc... The reason that is is so theres no confusion,like we had before. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.

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