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Distun
La Stere
Guinea Pigs
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Posted - 2007.04.10 12:33:00 -
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Why aren't there all the named 10mn in game now ? Why do I need to spend 150M ISK on a mwd just slightly better than t2 ?
This is wrong and there is no viable excuse.
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.10 12:35:00 -
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There's the Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Afterburners, and they don't cost 150 million isk.
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Distun
La Stere
Guinea Pigs
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Posted - 2007.04.10 12:38:00 -
[3]
Read again my post, take your time, then delete yours.
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Loree
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.04.10 12:41:00 -
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Those comments have no place on these forum - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.10 12:42:00 -
[5]
OK dip****, let's read your post.
 Originally by: Distun
Why aren't there all the named 10mn in game now ?
There was only ever one named 10MN microwarpdrive. That module is called the Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I MicroWarpDrive.
Originally by: Distun
Why do I need to spend 150M ISK on a mwd just slightly better than t2 ?
It cost's 4.2 million in Dodixie, right now. And it isn't better than T2.
Originally by: Distun
This is wrong and there is no viable excuse.
Aww, are you gonna sue CCP? 
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Distun
La Stere
Guinea Pigs
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Posted - 2007.04.10 12:46:00 -
[6]
Originally by: Marquis Dean
OK dip****, let's read your post.
Originally by: Distun
Why aren't there all the named 10mn in game now ?
There was only ever one named 10MN microwarpdrive. That module is called the Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I MicroWarpDrive.
Originally by: Distun
Why do I need to spend 150M ISK on a mwd just slightly better than t2 ?
It cost's 4.2 million in Dodixie, right now. And it isn't better than T2.
Originally by: Distun
This is wrong and there is no viable excuse.
Aww, are you gonna sue CCP?
Let me guide you through this obviously very hard task.You need to right click and then choose the show info option on a 10mn microwarpdrive, then select the variations tab.Have a long look at what's there and tell me that there's just 'Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I MicroWarpDrive'.Then maybe you should take the other guy's offer and join his corp.
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Wardog 1
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.10 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Distun
Let me guide you through this obviously very hard task.You need to right click and then choose the show info option on a 10mn microwarpdrive, then select the variations tab.Have a long look at what's there and tell me that there's just 'Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I MicroWarpDrive'.Then maybe you should take the other guy's offer and join his corp.
Dig around a bit, you'll realise that theres a difference between named and faction items, faction is better than T2 and does cost a lot, but without the use of this word you sound like a bambling fool.
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Ralara
Caldari
Lilandri Foundation
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Posted - 2007.04.10 12:52:00 -
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It's probably a bug. It still exists, I got one as loot yesterday so it's still in the loot tables.
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Distun
La Stere
Guinea Pigs
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Posted - 2007.04.10 12:53:00 -
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I'm sorry,but named includes faction,officer and so on.You probably been playing too long and don't recognize the true meaning of the word.
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.10 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Distun
Let me guide you through this obviously very hard task.You need to right click and then choose the show info option on a 10mn microwarpdrive, then select the variations tab.Have a long look at what's there and tell me that there's just 'Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I MicroWarpDrive'.Then maybe you should take the other guy's offer and join his corp.
*sigh*
Let's have a look then.
T1:
10MN Microwarpdrive I
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive.
Everything else is T2, storyline, faction or deadspace.
Once again, the Y-T8 is the only named 10mN mwd in the game.
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.10 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Distun
I'm sorry,but named includes faction,officer and so on.You probably been playing too long and don't recognize the true meaning of the word.
No mate, you're wrong.
And now you look quite the fool.
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.10 12:55:00 -
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For some items t2 is better than best named, for others best named is better than t2 and for some they are equally good. Just how it is.
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.10 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Distun
I'm sorry,but named includes faction,officer and so on.You probably been playing too long and don't recognize the true meaning of the word.
Named has ALWAYS been used to ONLY include t1 meta modules. Nothing else ever.
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.10 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Marquis Dean on 10/04/2007 12:54:25
And so, in regard to your now-clarified OP.
Faction/deadspace modules cost alot of isk because they are rare. It has always been this way.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
STK Scientific
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.04.10 13:00:00 -
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Guys, relax. Seriously.
Nobody's dumb here.
"Why aren't there all the named 10mn in game now?" is Distun's question.
There are indeed more MWDs than the Y-T8, the t1, and the t2.
However the Y-T8 is the only one classfied as "named." - the others are "faction," "deadspace," or "storyline"
In contrast there are two non-faction variants - "named" if you will - variations of the 1mn MWD.
(the 100mn mwd also, like the 10mn, has only one named variation)
But aside from that slight variation, there is the same number of variations for 10mn microwarpdrives as there are for 1mn microwarpdrives, even including weird things like "storyline."
As for them actually being dropped? Well, that I can't say, but they're definitely ingame and under the "variations" tab.
So to answer your question: All of the 10mn mwd ARE ingame :)
And consider the fact that an X-Type armor repairer is not 20 times more effective than t2, but still about 20x the cost :) so that might explain the price.
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Distun
La Stere
Guinea Pigs
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Posted - 2007.04.10 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Marquis Dean
Originally by: Distun
Let me guide you through this obviously very hard task.You need to right click and then choose the show info option on a 10mn microwarpdrive, then select the variations tab.Have a long look at what's there and tell me that there's just 'Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I MicroWarpDrive'.Then maybe you should take the other guy's offer and join his corp.
*sigh*
Let's have a look then.
T1:
10MN Microwarpdrive I
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive.
Everything else is T2, storyline, faction or deadspace.
Once again, the Y-T8 is the only named 10mN mwd in the game.
10MN Microwarpdrive I - T1
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive named mwd
10MN Microwarpdrive II - T2
fation,deadspace,officer,storyline - named mwd's.
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Horza Otho
Minmatar
Infortunatus Eventus
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Posted - 2007.04.10 13:03:00 -
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Edited by: Horza Otho on 10/04/2007 13:01:09
Originally by: Distun
Originally by: Marquis Dean
OK dipsh*t, let's read your post.
Originally by: Distun
Why aren't there all the named 10mn in game now ?
There was only ever one named 10MN microwarpdrive. That module is called the Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I MicroWarpDrive.
Originally by: Distun
Why do I need to spend 150M ISK on a mwd just slightly better than t2 ?
It cost's 4.2 million in Dodixie, right now. And it isn't better than T2.
Originally by: Distun
This is wrong and there is no viable excuse.
Aww, are you gonna sue CCP?
Let me guide you through this obviously very hard task.You need to right click and then choose the show info option on a 10mn microwarpdrive, then select the variations tab.Have a long look at what's there and tell me that there's just 'Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I MicroWarpDrive'.Then maybe you should take the other guy's offer and join his corp.
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Distun
La Stere
Guinea Pigs
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Posted - 2007.04.10 13:05:00 -
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And now,besides the argument about what is consired named and what isn't,what I was referring to I think was pretty obvious from my first post, where I mentioned that there was just one mwd slightly better than the t2 one in game and it costs a bunch.
Also, the issue here is not that the rare loot is more expensive than t1 and t2, but the fact that the domination 10mn mwd is the only better than t2 mwd that is in game and because of that it is so much more expensive.If all the other or many of the other variations were in the game,as they should be,this would probably be the price of the higher end mwds.
That's the actual issue.
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Gartel Reiman
Project F3
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Posted - 2007.04.10 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Distun
fation,deadspace,officer,storyline - named mwd's.
Still wrong.
Originally by: Hoshi
Named has ALWAYS been used to ONLY include t1 meta modules. Nothing else ever.
QFT.
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Distun
La Stere
Guinea Pigs
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Posted - 2007.04.10 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Gartel Reiman
Originally by: Distun
fation,deadspace,officer,storyline - named mwd's.
Still wrong.
Originally by: Hoshi
Named has ALWAYS been used to ONLY include t1 meta modules. Nothing else ever.
QFT.
Please define t1 metamodules.Are faction,deadspace and officer t2 metamodules? t1.5 ?
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.10 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Distun
fation,deadspace,officer,storyline - named mwd's.
Actually:
Faction = Faction
Deadspace = Deadspace
Officer = Officer
Storyline = Storyline
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Marquis Dean
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Posted - 2007.04.10 13:16:00 -
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.04.10 13:23:00 -
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So, Distun, you take the already established EVE naming scheme that has "T1, named T1, T2, deadspace, faction, officer" separations (where faction/officer are NOT "named T1" modules) and you claim out of the blue, that FOR YOU "named T1" also includes "faction" and "officer" and expect any sort of understanding ?
It's even freaking listed under "meta group" in the compare window. "Named T1" is just T1. T2, Deadspace, Faction and Officer have separate meta groups.
Now, I'm not sure if you noticed, but NONE of the T1 named ab/mwd are better as the T2 version, and the T2 version is never better (speed-boost-wise) as faction/deadspace.
So, what was your complaint again, anyway ?
I fail to see how 10mn follows a different scheme from 1mn or 100mn.
No, wait, I don't "fail to see", I see clearly that it's NOT different at all.
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.10 13:34:00 -
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Edited by: Hoshi on 10/04/2007 13:32:26
Meta is CCPs own internal differentiation of mods.
All mods have a meta value. For pure T1 (where no basic/civilan exist) the meta level is 0, and then it increases with each mod.
T1 meta means all mods listed under the T1 heading in the variations tab except the standard t1 mod.
T2 meta are the same as T1 but for those under the T2 heading (only a handful of T2 mods have a meta version).
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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.10 13:43:00 -
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I am sorry, i just had to join everyone in awarding Distun the *snip* of the day award 
Named items never included faction/deadspace/officer/storyline items, for one simple reason: named items are easily available as loot, while the others are rare. And it's because they are rare that they cost so much.
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Thread Winner
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.10 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi
Originally by: Distun
I'm sorry,but named includes faction,officer and so on.You probably been playing too long and don't recognize the true meaning of the word.
Named has ALWAYS been used to ONLY include t1 meta modules. Nothing else ever.
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Kreul Intentions
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Posted - 2007.04.10 14:00:00 -
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Wow, just wow. Please be respectful of others regardless if you agree or disagree with their way of thinking. If you can not post without attacking the person, then do not post again.
Stay on topic, post constructive thoughts.
Thank you.
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Marquis Dean
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Posted - 2007.04.10 14:08:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Kreul Intentions
Wow, just wow.
Heh heh, we are a nasty bunch aren't we? 
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.10 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 10/04/2007 14:15:56
The reason why your faction MWD costs more than non-faction, but still named MWD is because people are happy to pay 150mil for one. Its not CCP dictating the prices - its other players
Supply vs Demand. Heck, if they were cheapass, then I would fit them on every ship I own.
Its a bit like saying "Why does this Gist-X XL booster cost more than t2?"
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
Free Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.10 14:20:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Distun
Originally by: Marquis Dean
Originally by: Distun
Let me guide you through this obviously very hard task.You need to right click and then choose the show info option on a 10mn microwarpdrive, then select the variations tab.Have a long look at what's there and tell me that there's just 'Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I MicroWarpDrive'.Then maybe you should take the other guy's offer and join his corp.
*sigh*
Let's have a look then.
T1:
10MN Microwarpdrive I
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive.
Everything else is T2, storyline, faction or deadspace.
Once again, the Y-T8 is the only named 10mN mwd in the game.
10MN Microwarpdrive I - T1
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive named mwd
10MN Microwarpdrive II - T2
fation,deadspace,officer,storyline - named mwd's.
10MN Microwarpdrive I - T1
Y-T8 - named
MWD II - T2
Faction etc... - faction etc...
The reason that is is so theres no confusion,like we had before.
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.10 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Thread Winner
Originally by: Hoshi
Originally by: Distun
I'm sorry,but named includes faction,officer and so on.You probably been playing too long and don't recognize the true meaning of the word.
Named has ALWAYS been used to ONLY include t1 meta modules. Nothing else ever.
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While there are mods that stand out a bit the one you listed here is not one of those. The 'Smoke Screen' Cov Ops Cloak II is a Cosmos (or Storyline as it is now called) mod. In the variations tab it is listed incorrectly as a Faction mod.
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Ralara
Caldari
Lilandri Foundation
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Posted - 2007.04.10 17:12:00 -
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Edited by: Ralara on 10/04/2007 17:09:59
Edited by: Ralara on 10/04/2007 17:09:44
10MN Microwarp Drives available in game:
10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive (commonly called "named" tech 1)
10MN MicroWarpdrive II (tech 2)
10MN Drigital Booster Rockets (Storyline)
Domination 10MN MicroWarpdrive - Faction
Gallente Navy 10MN MircoWarpdrive - Faction
Republic Fleet 10MN MicroWarpdrive - Faction
Shadow Serpentis 10MN MicroWarpdrive - Faction
Corelum A-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive - Deadspace
Corelum B-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive - Deadspace
Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive - Deadspace
Gistum A-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive - Deadspace
Gistum B-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive - Deadspace
Gistum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive - Deadspace
Those are all the ones in game. None have been removed recently.
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Why aren't there all the named 10mn in game now ? Why do I need to spend 150M ISK on a mwd just slightly better than t2 ?
If you are looking for a better than Tech 1, then the Y-T8 is the thing you're after. If you want better than tech 2, then either Daction or Deadspace is the way to go. I'm unsure on Storyline since I've never used / had one before.
Does that answer your question?
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Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.04.10 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: Raivi on 10/04/2007 17:21:14
Originally by: Distun
Let me guide you through this obviously very hard task.You need to right click and then choose the show info option on a 10mn microwarpdrive, then select the variations tab.Have a long look at what's there and tell me that there's just 'Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I MicroWarpDrive'.Then maybe you should take the other guy's offer and join his corp.
Any proper response to your posts in this thread would get me a forum warning, so I'll stick with this:
Your stubbornness does not reflect well on you, and neither does the fact that you are stubbornly holding on to an obvious mistake that has been pointed out to you several times.
Although you are putting forth your opinion in a rather unintelligible way, I think I understand what you meant to say in your original post, and it is still wrong. The game does not owe you cheap faction modules. Faction modules are expensive, deal with it and work with what you can afford. Yes, there are fewer faction variations of 10mn MWDs than there are for some other modules, but it's no surprise that different modules will have different numbers of variations, and therefore different price options.
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Fogy
Caldari
Warspite Developments
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.04.10 18:03:00 -
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Edited by: Fogy on 10/04/2007 18:00:23
Originally by: Distun
Why aren't there all the named 10mn in game now ? Why do I need to spend 150M ISK on a mwd just slightly better than t2 ?
This is wrong and there is no viable excuse.
ok.. I'll try and explain why ppl are giving you so much grief about this named / not named stuff..
Back in the days befor t2 mods.. all there were was t1, and named mods.. (t1 metamodules)
Then they introdused faction modules, wich dropped from faction spawns (True sansha, Dark Blood, Shadow Serpentis, Dread Guristas, etc)
So we got Faction modules..
Then officer spawns.. (Gothan's modified xxx, Tobias's modified shield booster, whatnot's modified forumgun.. etc..)
so we got Officer Modules
Then T2 modules came.. (t2 civilian gatling pulse laser, T2 10mn mwd, T2 Tinfoil hatts etc..)
wich lead to T2 modules
Then deadspace, and storry line missions..
(gistii a-type mwd, pith b-type booster amp.. Forum x-Type smacktards.. etc..)
lo and behold! now we got deadspace, storry line modules!!
See the problem?
when you say named 10 MWD's, EVERY one who has played this game for more than 2 weeks will automatically asume you'r out of your mind.. as theres only 1.. ONE named 10mn MWD.. y-t8 blablabla afterburner..
As for the price of the mwd's that are better than t2.. its the basic's of the EVE market.. Suply and Demand.
This isnt WoW where we got tire 1, 2 and 3 named modules..
We got t1, Named, t2, Faction, officer, Deadspace, and storry line modules.. Like it or not, but adapt and you'll gett it allot easier on the forums next time you choos to ****t in here.
Cheers!
Fogy
I nerfed my siggie.. :(
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