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bullet83	Posted - 2007.04.10 17:39:00 - [1] Fed up with hitting 1 target with one missile? well this is the answer. Ok smartbombs are near enough redundant in this game, i know no-one that actually bothers with them since you have to be so agonisingly close to your target, so how about long range smart missiles which explode on impacted creating an area effect close to what the smartbombs do. Good for taking out groups of drones for instance, lets face it drones are pretty easy to kill why not make it fun. Plus making lots of big explosions is also fun to watch.
Grey Area Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.10 17:48:00 - [2] It used to be so...but whiners got the AOE removed. A mistake in my opinion...but there ya go. I doubt it will come back any time soon. --- I don't mind you disagreeing with me. Just don't say I don't have the SKILLS to comment.
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.10 17:54:00 - [3] Empire war would result in the concordokken of the century with AOE Fight against log off tactics to protect your space from isk farmers!
bullet83	Posted - 2007.04.10 18:02:00 - [4] maybe they should make them with variable damage depending on range from epicentre, for instance: Impact = 200 1000m = 150 2000m = 100 3000m = 50 would stop fleets from all clumping together.
Emylissan Gallente European Science Armada	Posted - 2007.04.10 18:09:00 - [5] Not sure but when fighting in an asteroid field with such a weapon you may get several Concord call ins, one for every roid in the area of effect. I suggest make a cluster or swarm missile wich explodes at the target ship and than fire some small rockets from the position of the first target ship to every target the player has locked on in a set range around the first impact ship. ----------------------------------------------------- Everyone who finds a type error can keep it. -----------------------------------------------------
Grey Area Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.10 18:10:00 - [6] Originally by: Thread Winner Empire war would result in the concordokken of the century with AOE Yeah...simply because people can't be bloody careful when fighting. Soldiers the world over learn NOT to throw hand grenades if the intention is to kill ONE enemy soldier in a crowd of 50 civilians...how hard can it be? --- I don't mind you disagreeing with me. Just don't say I don't have the SKILLS to comment.
Grey Area Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.10 18:10:00 - [7] Originally by: Emylissan Not sure but when fighting in an asteroid field with such a weapon you may get several Concord call ins, one for every roid in the area of effect. Damaging roids does NOT call Concord. --- I don't mind you disagreeing with me. Just don't say I don't have the SKILLS to comment.
Emylissan Gallente European Science Armada	Posted - 2007.04.10 18:16:00 - [8] Originally by: Grey Area Originally by: Emylissan Not sure but when fighting in an asteroid field with such a weapon you may get several Concord call ins, one for every roid in the area of effect. Damaging roids does NOT call Concord. If you say so, i remember i got a agro warning at my first day in eve when using a hybrid gun on a roid instead of a mining laser accidently. ----------------------------------------------------- Everyone who finds a type error can keep it. -----------------------------------------------------
Grey Area Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.10 18:17:00 - [9] EVE gives out warnings for all sort of events that don't ACTUALLY call Concord. I can't decide if it's CCP's incompetence or just their attempt to keep you on your toes... --- I don't mind you disagreeing with me. Just don't say I don't have the SKILLS to comment.
bullet83	Posted - 2007.04.10 19:13:00 - [10] im liking the scatter missile idea with the main missile doing the main damage then a percentage of that damage for each smaller missile, means no damage to anything u dont want to damage.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.04.10 19:19:00 - [11] Originally by: Grey Area Originally by: Thread Winner Empire war would result in the concordokken of the century with AOE Yeah...simply because people can't be bloody careful when fighting. Soldiers the world over learn NOT to throw hand grenades if the intention is to kill ONE enemy soldier in a crowd of 50 civilians...how hard can it be? Its pretty unfair to restrict a majority of Caldari to 0.0 fighting if they dont want to deal with the extra gate gun damage even when aggressed as well as locking them out of high-sec wars. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Del Narveux Obsidian Angels Enterprises	Posted - 2007.04.10 19:59:00 - [12] Or how about just adding a new ammo type that has AOE? _________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? Originally by: Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
Strikeclone The Steel Ravens	Posted - 2007.04.10 23:05:00 - [13] removal of missile AOE was not teh result of "whiners" it was a sensible measured response to a game concept that didnt work out as was intended. It never caused much damamge to player ships in pvp, but resulted in untold concordokkens when fighting players or npcs near gates and other structures. I remember once long ago when Eve was new and I had just got into my first Osprey cruiser after three weeks of mining and small npc hunting. I fired a light missile at a npc pirate frigate at a gate in Lonetrek and within seconds found myself in a pod as the local gate sentries insta popped me. A light missile.... Not a torpedo or even a cruise missile....africking sinderwinder.... AOE is not viable in the Eve combat model outside of the titan weapon. Especially when you think that the targets are actually quite huge. Peace through the application of superior firepower
Bosie Caldari Veto.	Posted - 2007.04.10 23:12:00 - [14] Originally by: Strikeclone Blah blah blah Have you not got work to do? "There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is ENGLAND."
Fraszoid Caldari BloodStorm Elite Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.04.11 02:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Grey Area Originally by: Thread Winner Empire war would result in the concordokken of the century with AOE Yeah...simply because people can't be bloody careful when fighting. Soldiers the world over learn NOT to throw hand grenades if the intention is to kill ONE enemy soldier in a crowd of 50 civilians...how hard can it be? I heard that when Torpedoes did splash damage, people would keep their alt on top of them so the other player would be concorded if they fired. Everyone is born right handed, only the great over come it. Check out my players guide at: http://www.eve-miners.info/guide/minersguide.html
Drakus Minmatar all professions	Posted - 2007.04.11 02:44:00 - [16] the analogy of not throwing hand grenades isn't a good one. In this game you have many people that have only "hand grenades". So you'd make it so that guy could never fire in empire? As well, with AOE weapons you'll get people that fly an alt with there fleet so that even if you are careful not to hit innocent people, you'll still catch the alt, bringing insta Concord'in. You'd also have the people that aren't apart of the wars at all that just want to screw with people by flying into the fleet to get one side concorded. Its a good idea to get rid of the blob, but wouldn't work unless in 0.0.
Nim9i5	Posted - 2007.04.11 04:12:00 - [17] its called flak!
vinnymcg Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.11 04:57:00 - [18] Bring back AOE missiles FTW, maybe they would only be used in 0.0 where concord cant get ya but they would break up a blob attack kinda quick. Thye could also be used as a quick kill against drone seeing as drones are all bunched up when the exit a ship. Funny thought, what happens if you use AOE missiles on a guy orbiting you a 2k? you kill your self LOL Remotely Delete Jump clones tread
vinnymcg Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.11 05:02:00 - [19] Originally by: Fraszoid I heard that when Torpedoes did splash damage, people would keep their alt on top of them so the other player would be concorded if they fired. Stop giving people ideas! any way its up to the person weather they choose to hit them or not if there stupid enough to hit someone in the situation they deserver to die. OMG just thought of another great idea for these missiles, COV OPS decloaker! get a few BS's stationed around a gate and when they see the gate active they start shooting each other hopefully hitting the cov ops :) Remotely Delete Jump clones tread
Fraszoid Caldari BloodStorm Elite Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.04.11 10:36:00 - [20] Originally by: vinnymcg OMG just thought of another great idea for these missiles, COV OPS decloaker! get a few BS's stationed around a gate and when they see the gate active they start shooting each other hopefully hitting the cov ops :) That would be fun to watch, I just have to be fast with my cov ops to not get killed. Everyone is born right handed, only the great over come it. Check out my players guide at: http://www.eve-miners.info/guide/minersguide.html
Dirk Fallows Caldari Galley-la	Posted - 2007.04.11 11:03:00 - [21] Originally by: vinnymcg Originally by: Fraszoid I heard that when Torpedoes did splash damage, people would keep their alt on top of them so the other player would be concorded if they fired. Stop giving people ideas! any way its up to the person weather they choose to hit them or not if there stupid enough to hit someone in the situation they deserver to die. OMG just thought of another great idea for these missiles, COV OPS decloaker! get a few BS's stationed around a gate and when they see the gate active they start shooting each other hopefully hitting the cov ops :) Won't a single sb on each ship be more effective?
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.04.11 11:30:00 - [22] Originally by: Grey Area Originally by: Thread Winner Empire war would result in the concordokken of the century with AOE Yeah...simply because people can't be bloody careful when fighting. Soldiers the world over learn NOT to throw hand grenades if the intention is to kill ONE enemy soldier in a crowd of 50 civilians...how hard can it be? Soldiers of the world are not armed usually with only handgrenades.
Tarron Sarek Gallente Cadien Cybernetics	Posted - 2007.04.11 11:45:00 - [23] Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 11/04/2007 11:41:30 Well, there could be different types of missiles. AE missiles, precision missiles ^^ and standard missiles (small AE). That could be quite interesting. Imagine missile ships becoming blob busters.. _________________________________ - The sky is the sky wherever you go -
bullet83	Posted - 2007.04.11 15:23:00 - [24] hello!? ppl cluster missiles no area effect so concord is not a problem, just speads out and targets random enemy ships within there range
Grey Area Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.12 08:38:00 - [25] Originally by: Drakus the analogy of not throwing hand grenades isn't a good one. In this game you have many people that have only "hand grenades". So you'd make it so that guy could never fire in empire? you have gone straight to the core of what p'd me off about this whole thing. Missiles were great. Good damage, no tracking...but a tiny little drawback...they tended to get your ass kicked if you fired tem in Empire. So people whined, and it was removed. Now we have great damage, no tracking, and no drawbacks. So people whined...which led to the stupid, unwieldy and botched "big missiles do less damage to small targets" missile patch. (note: it was absolutely necessary to limit damage of missiles once AOE was removed...but that doesn't stop the solution we inherited from being stupid, unwieldy and botched) With AOE as an attribute of missiles, the missile patch would have been totally unnecessary. But who am I to suggest that a PVPer should stop screaming "Gank! Gank! Gank!" JUST long enough to check that there are no other innocent bystanders around...? --- I don't mind you disagreeing with me. Just don't say I don't have the SKILLS to comment.
Grey Area Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.12 08:41:00 - [26] Originally by: vinnymcg Funny thought, what happens if you use AOE missiles on a guy orbiting you a 2k? you kill your self LOL Used to happen. All the posts people made when they were campaiging for the missile patch that "missiles were dumb and required no skill" were all unfortunately true - but ONLY once the AOE effect had been removed. they used to be quite the challenge --- I don't mind you disagreeing with me. Just don't say I don't have the SKILLS to comment.

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