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Buckeroo Bonzai	Posted - 2007.04.12 13:59:00 - [61] Originally by: Aeryn Calbert Edited by: Aeryn Calbert on 12/04/2007 13:50:34 Originally by: Grez My advice? Join an alliance or corp who have the assets and members to protect their PvE'ers. You'd be surprised how much alliances/corps value miners, traders, and such (more minerals = less money spent on buying ships whole-sale). Exactly! Too many month old players get delusions of grandeur, decide to start their own corp, round up a few other month old players, put their HQ in Jita and suddenly get pounded. I've played this game for over a year now and think MAYBE I've got enough knowledge of the game to start a corp. And that's a maybe... (my people skills suck a little). Think of real life. How many people get out of uni. and start their own corp AND become billionares. What is it?? 95% of businesses fail in the first year. In RL we go out, work for others, we learn and when we're older and wiser then we might have a good chance of starting a successful business (and even then it's risky). Eve is similar. When you're ready to leave the noob corp go to the recruitment forums and see what's available. Find a well set up corp with PVE and PVP components (ie. a corp able to defend itself). Learn the ropes and then think about your own corp. Don't ask Eve to always be in easy mode. Many of us play Eve because it's rough and severe on our mistakes. Quote: You know I would of respected your opinion alot more if it wasnt for that whole "go play WOW" comment. A moment of weakness I do admit . First time I've ever said it I believe. Happens to us all. Just dont let it happen again.
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.12 14:22:00 - [62] Yawnathon! Even me, a media personailty, cant be bothered to rant against this. Hang on ill have a go: You ebil, t2 bpo hogging, 0.0 grabbing blah blah bulley boy blah hands of the rich allainces blah blah service to the little man blah blah join a noob corp blah blah come fight There we go SKUNK
Aille Pluthrak Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.12 14:23:00 - [63] Originally by: Roshan longshot No the War Dec needs overhauling, I enjoy a good war as much as anyone. And I beleave Wars need to be fought in empire, over systems, and market acceess not because sombody wants to pew pew carebears. I have a good reason for being in The Privateers and participating in all these wars. I want your stuff. I want to open your ship like a pi±ata and have it drop a whole lot nice stuff that I can sell on the market. This saves me from mission running and, god forbid I ever doing it again, mining. And if Privateers ever go boobies up I will join an Empire Merc Corp and shoot the crap out of more Empire Corps cause you all screwed with my play style. ---------------------- Boom goes the ship! Squish goes the pilot!
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2007.04.12 14:39:00 - [64] Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 12/04/2007 14:35:52 Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia I don¦t think your playstyle in a game makes you a better or worse person in real life. And it would be good to respect or understand that you can¦t force people to play your way, that goes to both sides here. CCP is well aware of the fact that different people have different playstyles. I mean even here in the office you see the difference where some people avoid pvp whenever possible and others do nothing else. PS stop trolling As long as you have an economy, the only way to avoid pvp is to stop logging on. Maybe i should start to mess with prices again to make this point very clear. The whole damn point of eve is that other players can affect you, wether you want that or not. IF you start with this apologetic "different valid playstiles" nonsense, then how about making a different game? Different play styles are valid, thats why there are different games.
Jintoi	Posted - 2007.04.12 14:40:00 - [65] Lol @ the joke of a signature. Real men PVP in Empire? Where there are no Capital ships, no warp or interdictor bubbles? Empire PVP is easier, has less potential problems to run into and from months of seeing PRVT while shopping in Empire it's based around sitting in stations or sitting outside a station for hours on end, PRVT in both positions, that must be fun! Empire PVP is diet PVP.
Marketcheck2	Posted - 2007.04.12 14:49:00 - [66] Originally by: Cipher7 Socialist entitlement mindset. All rights with no responsibilities. People can't figure out this is whats wrong with socialism in the real world, I'd be very surprised how many can figure it out in a video game Great post though.
mama guru Gallente Friendship 7 Corporation YouWhat	Posted - 2007.04.12 14:56:00 - [67] Originally by: Jintoi Lol @ the joke of a signature. Real men PVP in Empire? Where there are no Capital ships, no warp or interdictor bubbles? Empire PVP is easier, has less potential problems to run into and from months of seeing PRVT while shopping in Empire it's based around sitting in stations or sitting outside a station for hours on end, PRVT in both positions, that must be fun! Empire PVP is diet PVP. Quite F****** True -YOU ARE NOW READING MY SIGNATURE- EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.12 14:59:00 - [68] Originally by: Grez My advice? Join an alliance or corp who have the assets and members to protect their PvE'ers. You'd be surprised how much alliances/corps value miners, traders, and such (more minerals = less money spent on buying ships whole-sale). Nice idea but in reality doesn't work that well. Why? Simple: A corporation at war cannot join or declare an alliance. Meaning if your corp is under a wardec (woohoo, 2M a week) you CANNOT join an alliance or make one yourself. This actually happened to Venus. They were trying to form an alliance with another corp that was considerably more PvP oriented for both corps' benefit. 3 weeks of war decs by a 4 person corp stopped that and the other corp went on to other things. After the dec, about 1/2 of Venus went on to other corps so they could continue with what they wished to do without someone tying up THEIR plans. Basically even though Venus did fight back with some success, the wardec destroyed what the corp was. Unrelated to Venus' problem, there is something inherently wrong with a system where 3 players can create alts, not even finish the tutorial, create a corporation and wardec another corp all within a 2 day period, yet it happens. Wars are supposed to mean something in High Sec, even according to CCP's Player's Guide. What do they mean right now except Pew Pew and Griefing? And yet people whine about players being in NPC corps when the only answer they can give to avoid war is to be in one <-----------> Keiron: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=427556&page=2 PvE and/or PvP is not something that appeals to the entire player base
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.04.12 15:00:00 - [69] Originally by: Cipher7 Nobody expects everybody to be a PVP player. You put the Industry players with the PVP players, and have them support each other. Lovely sentiment. Except that the bulk of the PvP pukes in Empire space find more sport in abusing Industry players than working with them. I'm sure the larger alliances and some of the 0.0 corps are different, but they're of no use to the new players trying to get a foothold in empire space. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Timmeh ([email protected])
Nyabinghi Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.04.12 15:11:00 - [70] Edited by: Nyabinghi on 12/04/2007 15:08:30 First of all it's a misconception that players who form a corp that exists in Empire space and has non combat pursuits are "raking in the big isk". The richest players, corps, alliances in EVE are nearly full on combat with mining ops and other non combative endeavors being way down their to-do lists. Another misconception is that PVP should be solely combat. CCP could have saved themselves a lot of time and trouble and simply made EVE the equivalent of Counter-Strike in space where everyone spawns on one or the other side of the solar system, goes to the center, shoot up other players, die, respawn 15 seconds later and repeat. CCP has however made a game that is a lot more intricate and contains many more elements, albeit the game at this point still focuses on combat as the main form of resolution of conflict. As for War Decs, well war shouldn't be a matter of filling out the right CONCORD paper work and paying a nominal fee. Declaring war on a corp should be a costly endeavor, costly enough that the corp that wishes to go to war should have to weigh the decision carefully. Finally, I don't see why the combat PVPers have to throw a fit the minute someone suggests that the game shouldn't be narrow minded and solely cater to the PVP combat way of play. Nor for that matter do I understand why many combat PVPers hate PVE so much that they don't want anyone to enjoy that aspect of the game. Besides the desire to pursue more peaceful pursuits another very good reason many new players do not want to get into combat PVP the second they join up is that they are at a HUGE disadvantage in combat to the more experienced and wealthier players. Who wants to play a game solely to be someone else's punchin bag? ***

Moria	Posted - 2007.04.12 15:18:00 - [71] well if u got the extra cash make them pay by taking all your alts forming 1 man corps and deccing your main corp thus driving up the war cost for the aggressor
PostWithYourMain Main Corporation	Posted - 2007.04.12 15:23:00 - [72] Edited by: PostWithYourMain on 12/04/2007 15:20:40 Originally by: DiuxDium For every pod I squish, I promise to frolik in one (1) daisy patch. Thread Winner, I think you've been outdone this time. Originally by: Nyabinghi CCP could have saved themselves a lot of time and trouble and simply made EVE the equivalent of Counter-Strike in space where everyone spawns on one or the other side of the solar system, goes to the center, shoot up other players, die, respawn 15 seconds later and repeat. CCP has however made a game that is a lot more intricate and contains many more elements, albeit the game at this point still focuses on combat as the main form of resolution of conflict. That actually sounds kind of fun.
Auldare The Ninja Coalition Phobos Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.12 15:25:00 - [73] One of the problems that makes PVE corps or indy corps such easy targets it that most of them wish for all the juicy goodness with the least bit of effort. Now I am not saying this is wrong it is all part of human nature, the same even applies to PVP. We get corps within alliances who specialise in the 3 main aspects of eve (Missions, Industry and PVP) and there is little to no symbiosis between them all. Why? Well this is a real stinker of a question but it all comes down to everyone wanting to play the game the way they want without doing boring stuff. We see little of proper security forces who are supplied with ships by their corps infrastructure, little of industrial players being properly escorted at all times, little of a corp owning all assets which the members come across and supplying members fully. I truly wish to see properly organised 'all round' corp/alliances but people stand in the way of it most of the time and I cant blame them at times... it is hard to do things knowing you wont own them but the corp will and also hard to play the game when you have to things for others and cant just do your own thing. But in saying all that.... I sooo want to see a properly organised symbiotic corp/alliance rise up and show us all how eve is meant to be played heh heh ================================================
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sicarri Covenant Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.12 15:32:00 - [74] Originally by: Aille Pluthrak Originally by: Roshan longshot No the War Dec needs overhauling, I enjoy a good war as much as anyone. And I beleave Wars need to be fought in empire, over systems, and market acceess not because sombody wants to pew pew carebears. I have a good reason for being in The Privateers and participating in all these wars. I want your stuff. I want to open your ship like a pi±ata and have it drop a whole lot nice stuff that I can sell on the market. This saves me from mission running and, god forbid I ever doing it again, mining. And if Privateers ever go boobies up I will join an Empire Merc Corp and shoot the crap out of more Empire Corps cause you all screwed with my play style. No worries.... pirates have adapted through bigger changes where everyone thought it wouldn't happen. See, unlike our furry friends here we have the capacity to adapt to a changing environment... do your worst, little whiners, and prepare to whine some more! YARRRRRR Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ... ~Liz Kali
Dr Jamius	Posted - 2007.04.12 15:42:00 - [75] Edited by: Dr Jamius on 12/04/2007 15:41:30 Edited by: Dr Jamius on 12/04/2007 15:40:08 Cute Spygirl and others like her want to become rich without any risk. As much as I feel a little sympathetic towards the plight of small unagressive corps being war decced, I also feel they should not be crying foul when they're becoming rich whilst many other players are struggling to make a living the hard way. Just like in life, if you have assets, you need to protect them, hire mercs, use some of your precious isk to build pvp ships for hauler or miner protection. Use voice comms to talk and coordinate your actions, be proactive and you will have my respect. Furthermore, VDB's CEO and founder, Venus Divine, is an alt of Ottomans Proud, previously a member of Turk Squad and now an active member of Shinra in the LV alliance who took part in actions vs the RaGoon coalition. VDB is a grooming area for potential BoB pets and an alt project of an LV member. A whole empire corp commanded by an ally of BoB, a very handy source of income no doubt. Expect more war decs coming your way after this information is read by the enemies of BoB and LV Cute. Sorry but you deserve no less.
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.04.12 15:53:00 - [76] Originally by: Dr Jamius Expect more war decs coming your way after this information is read by the enemies of BoB and LV Cute. Sorry but you deserve no less. Evemail me. All the intel I have on Venus members and the corps they have moved to is at your disposal. Eve: Cheats prosper.
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.04.12 15:57:00 - [77] Originally by: Dr Jamius VDB is a grooming area for potential BoB pets and an alt project of an LV member. This I would doubt, however, some inside info I received mentioned that the people who would be wardeccing me in response are friends of Cute AnnoyingGirl who, just happen to be in BoB. While not a particularly scarey threat in itself, it is interesting. Eve: Cheats prosper.
Izzy Pol Fear and Loathing in LoneTrek	Posted - 2007.04.12 15:57:00 - [78] Originally by: Aeryn Calbert Edited by: Aeryn Calbert on 12/04/2007 13:28:09 Originally by: Rock Stalker I agree with the OP. Every other MMO out there has a distinct line drawn between PvP and PvE except this one. I like PvP as much as the next guy but it should be reserved for low sec and 0.0. And for those of you that say stay in a noob corp are full of it. There is no reason why I shoudnt be able to form a corp with my friends to run missions,mine,explore,hang out and and take advatage of all being in your own corp has to offer without the fear of being war dec'ed by anyone who cant hack it in 0.0 or is bored with the play out there. PvP should be a choice not something that is forced upon you. If CCP truly wants this game to appeal to a larger player base then they have to make it more than about PvP. That's the whole point. Eve blurs the line between PVE and PVP and many of us DO NOT want Eve to have too much appeal to the 'mob'. From what I read and hear through dev blogs and dev posts, they don't want that either. Someone else also noted that eventually the accountants would pressure the Devs to make the game more open to the masses. The day that accountants begin to dictate how Eve develops is the day this game will lose. Accoutants dont make decisions like this. Ops ppl do. Accountants provide financial info on which to base business decisions.
Nerogk Shorn Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.04.12 16:10:00 - [79] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace Originally by: RtoZ ...Someone who dosen't want to fight will allways be easy prey. IMO the game should protect these people, because, when push comes to shove, they are paying for a different type of game experience than your average pew pewer, despite inhabiting the same virtual universe. PVP, in highsec systems, should be consentual, or at the very least highly improbable. With the current wardec system it is neiter. The game does allow you to be protected from war decs. Don't join a player corp. There is no reason anyone should be allowed to opt out of part of the game they don't like without penalty. I might as well argue that I pay my subs and therefore should not have to put up with being undercut at market by NPC Corp members that I can't shoot. This is a multiplayer game and we must all play by the same rules or it is not a fair game. Personally I think NPC corps should have a 50% tax to pay for the protection they provide. If you want no part in PvP then don't trade weapons to my enemies, don't build ships my enemies can fly, don't sell ammunition on the open market where pirates can buy it, don't sell loot or minerals that can be used to make weapons. Just trade Quafe, as long as you are not undercutting my traders and therefore hampering our profits and ability to fight I have no issue. You see where this is going? Everything in Eve is about competition, everything comes back to PvP at some point. If you want to just sit in hi-sec padding your wallet to infinity by grinding missions be my guest. Next time someone wardecs you consider spending some of that ISK on mercs and get them to fight for you. It's social and keeps the Eve economy moving. Asking for game mechanics to be changed to protect you from other players is futile and wrong headed. /signed If we allow players to escape pvp completely and at the same time allow them all the benefits of everyone else (such as a player corp), this game would turn into nothing more than WoW. It would give carebears the confidence to whine about losing ships and being killed in low sec, which could eventually lead to a system like WoW. A system where no one loses anything in PVP and the PVP is reduced to specific organinzed raids and battlegrounds much like any FPS or RTS. That system eliminates any realism in the world you create. WoW shouldn't even be considered a MMO Role Playing Game, since the RPG is practically inexistent. D-F-A-A-B-A-A-S
Altaree Red Frog Investments Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.12 16:14:00 - [80] Originally by: Effy Arrtee The decision to nerf the Privateers is an indication that perhaps they want this market share more. Do you have a link to the devs for this?

Kasilof	Posted - 2007.04.12 16:25:00 - [81] Edited by: Kasilof on 12/04/2007 16:24:30 Edited by: Kasilof on 12/04/2007 16:23:06 Edited by: Kasilof on 12/04/2007 16:22:33 I am a new player myself. I pretty much agree with the OP. while EVE is a PVP game, IMHO every space in EVE does not need PVP. I like to PVP and intend to PVP but what is going on is just broken IMHO. I think Priviters is bad for the game. An alliance with 100 plus war decs is absurd. It should cost big money to war dec in empire. From what I have read privaters is not really interested in war decing per say. They are just buying cheap easy targets. Iam really paying attention to how CCP deals with or ignores this issue.
Gealbhan Caldari The SAS	Posted - 2007.04.12 16:34:00 - [82] well ok PvE/PvP, I got no problem with anyone's play style. I will say this though - being in a player corp is much better than being in a starter corp. Player corps tend to have a closer "bond" between their members. All for one and one for all kind of thing. War decs are not the end of your game, if you & your corp mates have half a clue how to attack/defend then getting war dec'd is just a gateway to another facet of Eve and not something to panic about. That's my 2c anyway - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "Concentrate all your fire on one target, when it is destroyed, move on to the next. That is how you secure victory". - Tactica Imperium.
Dzil	Posted - 2007.04.12 16:38:00 - [83] So if you're war-decced you can't negotiate an alliance? Why? That would otherwise seem the most appropriate action for someone wardecced by the privateers to take - hiring some guns to protect them. Player born solution - isn't that what this game is about? If this is true, then I have to side with the carebears on this one - the war system needs some modification.
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation	Posted - 2007.04.12 16:42:00 - [84] Sorry but the original poster, female or not, is talking nonsense. The Wardec system works ok, you get warning of a war starting and there is a LOT of empire to run to if you're adament you're not going to fight. Running is probably the best policy and most PVPers/Pirates will get bored if you run constantly. Though I would encourage you to make a stand. Use tech I fitted 100% insured frigates and cruisers and LEARN a vital part of the game. It is daunting at first, and you may strongly believe you never want to PVP (I know I did) but you'll feel a quiet satisfaction the first time you destroy one of those who is out to harm you if unprovoked. Alternatively, flee to 'patrolled' 0.0 like CVA or IAC space where so long as you abide by their rules, you mey get protection if any of your enemy follow you there to agress you. Anti-pirate people like me sit there earning a living just hoping more targets will come into our little world to give us a break from ratting etc... Regardless of your complaint about wars Cute SpyGirl, you need to learn to deal with them one way or another if you're going to last in Eve. If you can't then its probably not the game for you. Enyo the game Vyk - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas
Ragornok Multiversal Enterprise Inc. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.12 16:56:00 - [85] Actually, unless I am missing something, I don't think that Privateers have war-decced this corp any time I can remember. We only have one kill listed from that entire corp, ever, and it was in a .4 system. So, just to get things back on track, it seems that the OP doesn't want ANYBODY to have the ability to declare war in high-sec, and this has nothing to do with the privateers specifically.
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.04.12 17:05:00 - [86] One thing that would help immensely for the Empire Corps is to get the hell out of the Forge once in a great while. Move to another empire, set up in a quiet base away from the main drags and for God's sake, stop lurking in Jita. You people make this big stink about how little like WoW this game is, when to me, I refer to a refit session on a new ship as a "trip to Ironforge". My pet name for Jita 4-4 is "The Auction House". Not like WoW? Feh, you poons are so WoWish, they could swap the races for Orks, Humans, Elves and Dwarves without skipping a beat. Even the Privateers are copycats of the gankers that sit outside the gates of Stormwind and Orgrimmar looking to pick off flagged players. Don't let the space skins fool you, I've been in enough MMORPGs to see the same crap repeated ad nauseum. You people are no better than the WoW kidz at heart. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Timmeh ([email protected])
Aille Pluthrak Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.12 17:13:00 - [87] Originally by: Altaree Originally by: Effy Arrtee The decision to nerf the Privateers is an indication that perhaps they want this market share more. Do you have a link to the devs for this? Not really a nerf but a bug fix. About all I know about it is this and it is second hand info: It has been suggested that the war system at the moment is partially broken. (Price increase based on the Targets active war count, starting @ 50M/Week, increasing by 50M for every active war the target corp has) Apparently CCP is fixing it to work as intended (Issuing corp/allainces number of wars effects the cost also, i.e the more wars declared the more each one costs) ---------------------- Boom goes the ship! Squish goes the pilot!
Jayne Tamm	Posted - 2007.04.12 17:18:00 - [88] in regards to the op...i agree..... a month or so ago.....wen everyone in our corp was just starting the game...our oldest player was a few months old..but most people were still only couple weeks old.... anyway...this other corp, who's members were 3-4 years old..decided it would be fun to randomly war dec a corp...and that corp was ours :D there was nothing we could do about it! we had no choice over the matter..they war dec'd and we had to take it!! well, i found that a little bit unfair! not too mention pointless for the other corp! anyway...i think you shud only be able to war dec a corp if u have kill rights on one of their players of sumin. that would solve all the problems!!! instead of being able to just start a war on anyone u like!!! especially if a it stops scenario's like we found our self in U KNOW IT MAKES SENSE CCP!!!!
Theo Ramone	Posted - 2007.04.12 17:19:00 - [89] Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle Wardec for the sole purpose of griefing, like we see Privateer do, should be fixed somehow by CCP. This is a game, and there has to be other ways to amuse some players than to grief and mess with others. I am a PvP player myself, and I love wardecs. But I can fully understand why some corps dont want that type of gameplay. And as long as they dont live in 0.0 and compete for real resources, they have nothing to defend and should not be subject to wardec-griefing in my opinion. But CCP has always had a soft spot for pirates and griefers, so I doubt this will be fixed anytime soon. All you need to do is look in the Privateers direction and say "BOO' real loud and him and his 3 friends will run from your one ship to go find some more people. In the meantime, go on about your business. I dont know whats worse, listening to people complain about Privateer, or listening to people complain that Privateer never wants to fight unless the odds are 10 to 1 in favor of the Privateers. I know I'm tired of listening to my corpmate say that even with odds as good as 4:1 they run off.
Bahk Naar	Posted - 2007.04.12 17:47:00 - [90] Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia I don¦t think your playstyle in a game makes you a better or worse person in real life. And it would be good to respect or understand that you can¦t force people to play your way, that goes to both sides here. CCP is well aware of the fact that different people have different playstyles. I mean even here in the office you see the difference where some people avoid pvp whenever possible and others do nothing else. If this REALLY is the case, then how in God's name is the current War Dec process even remotely acceptable? The current system allows the aggressor to play "red light, green light" with the PvE play style of others. I like to take part in PvE and not PvP. I don't find PvP fun and would rather clean my house tbh. Therefore, the current war dec process allows someone else to turn my game play on and off at their discretion. THAT tells me that CCPs view on it is that "PvE is acceptable game play until a PvPer decides otherwise". This game CAN balance both worlds, but the current system is way off.



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