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Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.12 23:29:00 - [31] Originally by: Yo**o Sanders No. Aegis Militia has not purged its roster of pilots who have retired to planetside, given up on pod piloting, or otherwise vanished for the better part of several months. While according to CONCORD databases, the militias outnumber you, in actual pilots who are flying in space, the numbers are significantly more equal. Let this be a lesson for you then. Bloated rosters don't win wars. If the Loyalist cause is so overstocked with innactive and AWOL pilots that it can't mount a proper defense against an entity half your publicised size then it means we are telling the truth about the limitations of memetic contagion and the low state of your capabilities. You should probably thank us. Star Fraction is recruiting
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.12 23:30:00 - [32] As the cowards of Star Fraction moved months worth of ships into Amarr via freighter BEFORE declaring war on PIE (where was that 'we're willing to die' then?) I'd imagine they can string this out for years. Enjoy the accomodations then is all I have to say. You have to be an actual threat to the Empire to have paramilitaries "defend the Empire" and you clearly are not. How's that brothel coming anyway? Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.12 23:32:00 - [33] Quote: Most amusing. Its a nice story you have there, but I believe the truth has already been publicly stated: Don't bother Gaven.... she's a Constantine.... Spin runs in the family.... Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.12 23:34:00 - [34] Originally by: Archbishop As the cowards of Star Fraction moved months worth of ships into Amarr via freighter BEFORE declaring war on PIE (where was that 'we're willing to die' then?) I'd imagine they can string this out for years. Enjoy the accomodations then is all I have to say. You have to be an actual threat to the Empire to have paramilitaries "defend the Empire" and you clearly are not. This is rich. First the Amarrians whine loudly about the imbalance in numbers because SF pilots are actually active and combat capable while their own rosters are full of retired galnet writers without the will to fight. Now this one accuses us of cowardice for laying in logistical support for the war. What next? Dishonour because we lock on to Amarrian targets? Delusion because we fire our guns? Get into a combat ship and do something more than preaching to an empty system old man. Then perhaps you'll be worth listening too. Star Fraction is recruiting
Tatsue Nuko Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.12 23:38:00 - [35] Well, to be fair now Jasmine it's hardly a surprise. We're already dishonorable due to reshipping to get back fighting when a battle is going on. Par for the course.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.12 23:49:00 - [36] Edited by: Archbishop on 12/04/2007 23:50:49 Just saying all your statements about fighting "for your cause" and for "freedom" and how everyone else is a coward makes you seem like.... well.... hypocrites (gee there's that word again). "Laid Logistics". No you "Laid a PR Stunt". Park enough ships in Amarr and with the mechanics of Concord you can sit there years. If that's what you plan to use as a victory claim I guess no one can stop you as you admit you just redock and get another one. Oh well you may declare victory over Concord then feel free. But the reality is you have added another FAILURE to the long history of Star Fraction FAILURES to accomplish anything meaningful or significant in the cluster. The long history of FAILURES from Venal to the NVA to Curse to the Bleaklands (etc, etc, etc) is legendary as is your abandonment of principles and unwillingness to "die for the cause"... something you claim now ready to do (but not enough to not move ships in before the war). Your long history of FAILURE speaks for itself as does the long list of 0.0 alliances and allies that you've been forced out of due to your "antics" on IGS and elsewhere. Perhaps explaining to everyone how you abandoned your "cause" and fled 0.0 would be educational for everyone? I mean you obviously didn't believe in it enough to die for it then apparently. Then again it wasn't even the same "cause" you have now was it? Comical. Ah some things never change. Enjoy yourselves. Anyway I must prepare for my journey tonight. I'll be traveling from the Monestary tonight to spread the word again. It'll give you time for your twenty poster eightyfive paragraph rebutal post about XXXXX (Pick One: You dont undock, you're a coward, you can't defend the Empire, your an old windbag, you're xxxx - you get my point). Anyway off I go. Business as usual. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Tecam Hund The Buggers	Posted - 2007.04.12 23:54:00 - [37] At last. Good luck to The Star Fraction. If I recall, PIE were talking about importance earlier. How Star Fraction was not the main concern. I think they are a little disappointed to learn about the real level of their own importance.
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.13 00:02:00 - [38] Originally by: Archbishop (Pick One: You dont undock, you're a coward, you can't defend the Empire, your an old windbag, you're xxxx - you get my point). F) All of the above. _
Tecam Hund The Buggers	Posted - 2007.04.13 00:03:00 - [39] Originally by: Archbishop Edited by: Archbishop on 12/04/2007 23:50:49 Just saying all your statements about fighting "for your cause" and for "freedom" and how everyone else is a coward makes you seem like.... well.... hypocrites (gee there's that word again). "Laid Logistics". No you "Laid a PR Stunt". Park enough ships in Amarr and with the mechanics of Concord you can sit there years. If that's what you plan to use as a victory claim I guess no one can stop you as you admit you just redock and get another one. Oh well you may declare victory over Concord then feel free. Desperation over industrial superiority of your enemy. Quote: But the reality is you have added another FAILURE to the long history of Star Fraction FAILURES to accomplish anything meaningful or significant in the cluster. The long history of FAILURES from Venal to the NVA to Curse to the Bleaklands (etc, etc, etc) is legendary as is your abandonment of principles and unwillingness to "die for the cause"... something you claim now ready to do (but not enough to not move ships in before the war). Your long history of FAILURE speaks for itself as does the long list of 0.0 alliances and allies that you've been forced out of due to your "antics" on IGS and elsewhere. Perhaps explaining to everyone how you abandoned your "cause" and fled 0.0 would be educational for everyone? I mean you obviously didn't believe in it enough to die for it then apparently. Then again it wasn't even the same "cause" you have now was it? Comical. Rant. Firstly PIE hardly accomplished even a fraction of what SF had. Secondly, it is easy to bark from the side of the road when your goal is nowhere near as complicated and revolutionary. It is one thing to write rubbish on Galnet trying to scare children, but it is completely another to change the course of human history. Quote: Anyway I must prepare for my journey tonight. I'll be traveling from the Monestary tonight to spread the word again. It'll give you time for your twenty poster eightyfive paragraph rebutal post about XXXXX (Pick One: You dont undock, you're a coward, you can't defend the Empire, your an old windbag, you're xxxx - you get my point). Anyway off I go. Rant. Desperately trying to look important to save your ego. I am sure your audience can't wait to hear the 'word'.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.13 00:38:00 - [40] Originally by: Archbishop But the reality is you have added another FAILURE to the long history of Star Fraction FAILURES to accomplish anything meaningful or significant in the cluster. The long history of FAILURES from Venal to the NVA to Curse to the Bleaklands (etc, etc, etc) is legendary as is your abandonment of principles and unwillingness to "die for the cause"... something you claim now ready to do (but not enough to not move ships in before the war). Your long history of FAILURE speaks for itself as does the long list of 0.0 alliances and allies that you've been forced out of due to your "antics" on IGS and elsewhere. Perhaps explaining to everyone how you abandoned your "cause" and fled 0.0 would be educational for everyone? I mean you obviously didn't believe in it enough to die for it then apparently. I guess we've broken this one. This rant doesn't even begin to make sense. Next Amarrian mouthpiece please Star Fraction is recruiting
Heero Yuy Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.13 00:58:00 - [41] Edited by: Heero Yuy on 13/04/2007 00:54:49 Originally by: Archbishop FAILURE FAILURES FAILURES FAILURE Oh dear, now that's just awkward and embarrassing.....
Bacchanalian Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.13 02:31:00 - [42] Originally by: Grim86StonE I fail to see where we ever outnumbered you. At all times we were outnumbered and still we fought with honour, dignity, duty and the upmost faith in the One True God. Unlike your former adversaries we did not lose one single pilot to despair and fear and so we can claim a defection rate of 0%. Your stay here will be short and ill-lived. You will achieve nothing and you will regret the course of your actions. By the will of God it will be so, anarchists! If you would like to get technical, a pilot by the name of Mopsa left PIE within 48 hours of the war declarations going live and our first engagements with PIE. Star Fraction is recruiting, join the revolution!
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.13 03:40:00 - [43] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 13/04/2007 03:37:33 Are you trying to say that poor Mopsa left because of your war... You really are a funny group of targets. 'I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity.' -The Prophet Kuria, 'Paladins Creed' Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Bacchanalian Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.13 04:36:00 - [44] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 13/04/2007 03:37:33 Are you trying to say that poor Mopsa left because of your war... Mr. Lok'ri, I really thought you might be above putting words into my mouth. I was simply pointing out that there was at least one defection from PIE since the war went live--I never speculated as to the reasoning for that individual's departure. Just wanted to add a sprinkle of fact to the Amarrian bombast. Star Fraction is recruiting, join the revolution!
Grim86StonE Amarr The Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.04.13 05:04:00 - [45] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 13/04/2007 03:37:33 'I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity.' -The Prophet Kuria, 'Paladins Creed' Hail to that!
Habraka Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.04.13 06:03:00 - [46] Originally by: Archbishop As the cowards of Star Fraction moved months worth of ships into Amarr via freighter BEFORE declaring war on PIE (where was that 'we're willing to die' then?) It's called PREPARATIONS and LOGISTICS. Originally by: Archbishop You have to be an actual threat to the Empire to have paramilitaries "defend the Empire" and you clearly are not. As always, PIE Inc. means a lot of yapping and not much shooting.
Tablaren Kingdom of Kador	Posted - 2007.04.13 08:01:00 - [47] Originally by: Archbishop As the cowards of Star Fraction moved months worth of ships into Amarr via freighter BEFORE declaring war on PIE (where was that 'we're willing to die' then?) I'd imagine they can string this out for years. Enjoy the accomodations then is all I have to say. You have to be an actual threat to the Empire to have paramilitaries "defend the Empire" and you clearly are not. How's that brothel coming anyway? Archbishop There are people in various states of undress there x_x My spymasters face was all miscolored and red after that mission We shall have to purge that wickedness and filth from our most holy of realms.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.13 08:08:00 - [48] Originally by: The Cosmopolite In the coming weeks, the Star Fraction is resolved to demonstrate that the very heartlands of the Amarr Empire are unsafe for its supporters and that we û anarchists, rebels, terrorists and outlaws that we may be û can and will operate against loyalist forces in the capital of the Empire and throughout the surrounding systems, constellations and regions. Your first objective could have been met by one pilot undocking in a frigate every now and then. That would have ben sufficient for you to claim you have "operated against loyalist forces". Originally by: The Cosmopolite This next phase of the war will be concluded and a key objective met when the Curatores Veritatis Alliance retracts its declaration of war against the Star Fraction.... Your second objective can be met by a one pilot alliance who doesn't even have to interface with his pod interface. After all, if CVA retracts it's war against such a pilot you "win". Valour has been shown by many of your individual pilots - and some, including yourself, has also shown a cordial and respectful behavior. You have my respect for that. But the objectives of Star Fiction itself seems to imply that the alliance has little confidence in it's pilots. Why else would the objectives stated be of a kind that you simply cannot help to fulfill eventually? Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.04.13 09:13:00 - [49] I think Archbishop hit a nerve there. They are starting to foam and spray spittle again. At the end of the day this little PR stunt will have achieved nothing. If you truely want to hit the CVA you'll have to do it in space and in Providence - apparently you have accepted already that you don't have the means or the guts after your last escapade with the Mamet 500 that left the Fraction as a holding corp and thus decided to try some small smearing campaign instead. All it does is uncover your true mindset - one of a bitter defeat you'll never be able to rectify in space, where it matters. Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.13 09:14:00 - [50] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus Your first objective could have been met by one pilot undocking in a frigate every now and then. That would have ben sufficient for you to claim you have "operated against loyalist forces". I am afraid the Star Fraction uses a rather more meaningful standard of measuring success in operating in space which includes being able to inflict significant damage on our enemies, Amarrian loyalists, mercenaries and other entities alike, together with undertaking logistical activities in a warzone (which we have done this week) and other numerous tasks and actions which are part and parcel of any effective corporations operations. It is instructive to note the PIE standard as you state it, however. Quote: Your second objective can be met by a one pilot alliance who doesn't even have to interface with his pod interface. After all, if CVA retracts it's war against such a pilot you "win". Leaving aside wonderment at why the CVA would do such a thing as declare war against a single pilot if the notion is not a spurious rhetorical device, I think it is clear enough that if the CVA cannot stop us from operating against Amarrian loyalists in the Amarr Empire and then retract their war it would be a win for us. Quote: Valour has been shown by many of your individual pilots - and some, including yourself, has also shown a cordial and respectful behavior. You have my respect for that. But the objectives of Star Fiction itself seems to imply that the alliance has little confidence in it's pilots. Why else would the objectives stated be of a kind that you simply cannot help to fulfill eventually? In the first instance, I note that while you commend me for 'respectful behaviour' you don't show much respect in actual fact. If you re-read your post in its entirety, you may take my point. If you don't, no great matter. Secondly, the objective imply no such thing as lack of confidence in our pilots. If you think that the CVA has no stomach for an extended conflict, that is up to you. I on the other hand believe that the CVA is a capable force and that the struggle will be long and brutal. I expect the conflict to continue for some time until the CVA, by our actions in space, comes to understand that it cannot drive us out of Amarrian space. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.13 10:07:00 - [51] Originally by: The Cosmopolite I am afraid the Star Fraction uses a rather more meaningful standard of measuring success in operating in space which includes being able to inflict significant damage on our enemies, Amarrian loyalists, mercenaries and other entities alike, together with undertaking logistical activities in a warzone (which we have done this week) and other numerous tasks and actions which are part and parcel of any effective corporations operations. If SF aim has been to inflict "significant damage" why was your states objectives simply "to operate"? The point here being that no matter what you may achieve in space your stated objectives have been so simple that it has been near impossible for you not to achieve them. If your objectives have been to inflict "significant damage" why have you not defined what "significant damage" is in your campaign objectives, Mr Cosmopolite? As far as I know, no pilot of PIE or her allies has suffered damage that would impede our continued operations for GOD and Empire. Originally by: The Cosmopolite It is instructive to note the PIE standard as you state it, however. This discussion concerns the Star Fraction objectives, so this remark clearly miss the point. Originally by: The Cosmopolite ... I think it is clear enough that if the CVA cannot stop us from operating against Amarrian loyalists in the Amarr Empire and then retract their war it would be a win for us. I'm afraid I have not been clear enough in my previous remarks on this topic, and so I shall try to speak clearer. Unless the Amarr Loyalists eventually destroy the Star Fraction completely and entirely this war will eventually come to an end. Could I ask you to define when you would consider Star Fraction "unable to operate"? It will certainly help us all to avoid future speculations on this point. Originally by: The Cosmopolite In the first instance, I note that while you commend me for 'respectful behaviour' you don't show much respect in actual fact. While I do in fact respect you Mr Cosmopolite, I do certainly not agree with you. I will use whatever logic and reason GOD has seen fit to bestow on me to argue my views. I expect nothing less of you. Originally by: The Cosmopolite If you think that the CVA has no stomach for an extended conflict, that is up to you. I on the other hand believe that the CVA is a capable force and that the struggle will be long and brutal. I have often had the honor and the priviledge of fighting alongside the pilots of CVA in the war on U'K that has been waged by CVA for as long as I have been a pod pilot. I think that the willingness of CVA to go on extended campaigns are beyond any doubt, so do not try to put words into my mouth. Originally by: The Cosmopolite I expect the conflict to continue for some time until the CVA, by our actions in space, comes to understand that it cannot drive us out of Amarrian space. So should the unthinkable happen and should pilots of SF shy away from battle when it is offered you will have been defeated according to your own stated objectives? Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Kaiso Ohad Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.13 10:24:00 - [52] Edited by: Kaiso Ohad on 13/04/2007 10:22:41 Originally by: The Cosmopolite I am afraid the Star Fraction uses a rather more meaningful standard of measuring success Meaningful being your perspective, of course. While I realize that analogies are a poor way to convey an idea, I wouldn't beat my chest and proclaim a successful, meaningful operation against Interbus after shooting down a couple hundreds of shuttles. Quote: I think it is clear enough that if the CVA cannot stop us from operating against Amarrian loyalists in the Amarr Empire and then retract their war it would be a win for us. CVA's involvement in this war doesn't imply a change of goals from "extending the Empire into Providence" to "making Stir Fraction leave Amarr" as far as I know. For all I know they're tired of the inconvenience of taking security status hits while making you flee out of lower Domain. But that's just my guess. It's you who is so confident in his interpretation. Quote: Secondly, the objective imply no such thing as lack of confidence in our pilots. You formulating goals which put absolutely no pressure on you to do anything in order to achieve them suggest s just that. But the bottom line is: while CVA's war is active, your efficiency in achieving your dubious objective is exactly 0%. So there's no point in you showing up on GalNet and making fools out of yourselves for the time being.
Amira Silvermist The Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.04.13 10:46:00 - [53] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus Could I ask you to define when you would consider Star Fraction "unable to operate"? It will certainly help us all to avoid future speculations on this point. As soon as they cannot post on galnet any longer... Amarr racial trait: Nerfbat damage resistance 0%
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.13 10:56:00 - [54] If only you loyalists put as much effort into actual combat as you do in posting lengthy pieces of nothing on galnet.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.13 10:57:00 - [55] The Star Fraction has stated an objective for this phase of the operation very clearly. The Star Fraction does not dock up and refuse to engage enemies in order to meet goals it has set. We will meet our goals by acting in space and we will continue to actively fight our enemies. Those who seek to say our objective is meaningless are assuming that we will use their methods in order to meet it. We shall not. We shall fight and we shall continue to fight until the objective is met. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Kaiso Ohad Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.13 11:04:00 - [56] Originally by: The Cosmopolite We will meet our goals by acting in space That would please me a great deal.
Madelchai Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.13 11:38:00 - [57] Originally by: Kaiso Ohad Originally by: The Cosmopolite We will meet our goals by acting in space That would please me a great deal. Why, do you know of someone in PIE who will be there? ------ Fighting is like sex. The dirtier the better.
Kaiso Ohad Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.13 11:48:00 - [58] Originally by: Madelchai Why, do you know of someone in PIE who will be there? Sshh, you're ruining the moment.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.13 12:28:00 - [59] Originally by: The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction has stated an objective for this phase of the operation very clearly. That is true. Originally by: The Cosmopolite This next phase of the war will be concluded and a key objective met when the Curatores Veritatis Alliance retracts its declaration of war against the Star Fraction Another way of expressing your objective would be: "Anything but the complete and utter annihilation of SF will be seen as a victory by us". My point is that I do believe you are selling yourselves rather short this way. Star Fraction is, in my humble opinion, a fighting force that should have somewhat higher goals to strive for. The abilities of your pilots call for more respect than is expressed by such objectives. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.13 12:51:00 - [60] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus Originally by: The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction has stated an objective for this phase of the operation very clearly. That is true. Originally by: The Cosmopolite This next phase of the war will be concluded and a key objective met when the Curatores Veritatis Alliance retracts its declaration of war against the Star Fraction Another way of expressing your objective would be: "Anything but the complete and utter annihilation of SF will be seen as a victory by us". My point is that I do believe you are selling yourselves rather short this way. Star Fraction is, in my humble opinion, a fighting force that should have somewhat higher goals to strive for. The abilities of your pilots call for more respect than is expressed by such objectives. Seeing as the retraction of a war declaration against us, is in your opinion beneath us as a demarkation in our war, perhaps you would like to write our objectives for us Octavinus? Perhaps we could agree that until each side loses one thousand ships, or perhaps the best of ten engagements, or perhaps until that windbag Archbishop preaches in fifty systems. Would that be more palatable for you? I think we will leave things as they are and continue to fight until we cannot or you cannot.

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