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Nomakai Delateriel Amarr A Better Future	Posted - 2007.04.14 18:25:00 - [121] Originally by: The Cosmopolite You are most welcome and thank you for misquoting me and proving that PIE make most of their points by quoting out-of-context yet again. I think Udyr has been taking cues from Jasmine and Atandros in that matter. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Udyr Vulpayne Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.14 18:25:00 - [122] Oh i'm sorry about adding that period there at the end. meant to do three little dots. I'll fix that and even include a version with the full sentence for you here: Originally by: The Cosmopolite Our pilots were docked and refusing to waste themselves in a futile battle that could not possibly be won when they could preserve themselves for a mere hour when all our pilots would be ready to engage the enemy.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.14 18:35:00 - [123] Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne Oh i'm sorry about adding that period there at the end. meant to do three little dots. I'll fix that and even include a version with the full sentence for you here: Originally by: The Cosmopolite Our pilots were docked and refusing to waste themselves in a futile battle that could not possibly be won when they could preserve themselves for a mere hour when all our pilots would be ready to engage the enemy. Most welcome. It surprised me that pilots of my race did not have the patience to remain for the fight that would have ensued when the SF fleet was at full pilot-strength again. No matter, there will be other fights, I am sure of that. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.14 22:56:00 - [124] Originally by: The Cosmopolite [We now begin Operation Slaughterhouse. This next phase of the war will be concluded and a key objective met when the Curatores Veritatis Alliance retracts its declaration of war against the Star Fraction I am currently on a religious retreat at an Amarrian monastery and will remain here for at least three more weeks. As such I will be unable to undock, and today is the only time I am allowed to establish contact with entities outside of the monastery. If Star Fraction so desires they can use my retreat for propaganda purposes and add me to their makebelieve list of pilots unwilling to undock. I must admit that I had to laugh out loud when I read the new Star Fraction announcement. Those people that know me well know that I rarely laugh out loud. The absurdity of the announcement was just to much for me. I would advice my brothers in the CVA to neglect paying Concord war fees for just one day after the first week and then re-declaring the war to show the utter meaninglessness of Star Fraction¦s self-proclaimed victory conditions. To my brothers in PIE I can only say, continue to fly with God and navigate your ships away from Star Fraction¦s Flying Circus. There is little honor to be gained in fighting deluded madmen who pose little threat to the things we deem important. Your dedicated service to the Empire stands strong as ever. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.14 23:18:00 - [125] Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 14/04/2007 23:17:10 Originally by: Merdaneth I am currently on a religious retreat at an Amarrian monastery and will remain here for at least three more weeks. As such I will be unable to undock, and today is the only time I am allowed to establish contact with entities outside of the monastery. If Star Fraction so desires they can use my retreat for propaganda purposes and add me to their makebelieve list of pilots unwilling to undock. [...] I would advice my brothers in the CVA to neglect paying Concord war fees for just one day after the first week and then re-declaring the war to show the utter meaninglessness of Star Fraction¦s self-proclaimed victory conditions. To my brothers in PIE I can only say, continue to fly with God and navigate your ships away from Star Fraction¦s Flying Circus. There is little honor to be gained in fighting deluded madmen who pose little threat to the things we deem important. Your dedicated service to the Empire stands strong as ever. Your retreat will not be used for any such propaganda purposes. We do not propagandise about pilots who are temporarily or permanently planetside for whatever reason. However, I seem to see you suggesting that PIE continue not to engage us while complaining about a 'makebelieve list' of pilots who are unwilling to engage. Rather odd and self-contradictory but I will attribute it to you having whipped yourself into a state of religious fervour. I understand some religious savants utter seemingly nonsensical and paradoxical speeches when in the height of their superstitious frenzies. I won't hold it against you though. As for your suggestion to the CVA, I find it bizarre, a trifle petty and I think that they are probably above such chicanery. If they not, however, we shall have something to laugh about. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.16 11:03:00 - [126] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/04/2007 10:59:45 Originally by: The Cosmopolite However, I seem to see you suggesting that PIE... After all of your false accusations about PIE officers "putting words into your mouth", I find it odd that you would do just that. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.16 12:38:00 - [127] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: The Cosmopolite However, I seem to see you suggesting that PIE... After all of your false accusations about PIE officers "putting words into your mouth", I find it odd that you would do just that. I have made no such false accusations. True ones, certainly. Originally by: Merdaneth To my brothers in PIE I can only say, continue to fly with God and navigate your ships away from Star Fraction¦s Flying Circus. Originally by: Merdaneth If Star Fraction so desires they can use my retreat for propaganda purposes and add me to their makebelieve list of pilots unwilling to undock. The first quote, as I carefully qualified, seems to recommend that PIE continue to keep their ships away from the Star Fraction, thus failing to engage, while the second complains of a 'make believe list' (which is certainly make believe in one sense, as it doesn't exist) of pilots unwilling to undock, thus failing to engage. I quoted Merdaneth in full on those points and I have not put any words in his mouth. I simply think the two remarks are somewhat in conflict with one another. If there is some other meaning to his remarks which can reconcile them, I look forward to hearing it. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.16 16:15:00 - [128] Originally by: The Cosmopolite This next phase of the war will be concluded and a key objective met when the Curatores Veritatis Alliance retracts its declaration of war against the Star Fraction and as it does so surrenders to the reality that they cannot defend the Empire and those who support it. So let's get this straight then. SF's primary objective in this war is to get CVA to retract their declaration. Should CVA hurt SF so much that the anarchists only have two pilots remaining, based outside the Empire (and as such, about as effective as asthmatic ants carrying heavy shopping bags uphill when it comes to destroying the Empire) what would happen then? No doubt CVA would feel that their job would be done, retract the war and at this point SF would declare a historic victory! Only in the SF can a victory be claimed after a crushing defeat! Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Wren Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.04.16 16:37:00 - [129] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: The Cosmopolite This next phase of the war will be concluded and a key objective met when the Curatores Veritatis Alliance retracts its declaration of war against the Star Fraction and as it does so surrenders to the reality that they cannot defend the Empire and those who support it. So let's get this straight then. SF's primary objective in this war is to get CVA to retract their declaration. Should CVA hurt SF so much that the anarchists only have two pilots remaining, based outside the Empire (and as such, about as effective as asthmatic ants carrying heavy shopping bags uphill when it comes to destroying the Empire) what would happen then? No doubt CVA would feel that their job would be done, retract the war and at this point SF would declare a historic victory! Only in the SF can a victory be claimed after a crushing defeat! Or a better "What IF?!??!" question would be: What if purple time traveling fedos took over a factory and produced tech10 mining lasers that could beam trit straight through the walls of a station and mined all veld rocks simultaneously? Then what if that pile of trit was so perfect that even the Emporor declares it holy and orders all combat activities that might endanger the pile to be stopped? Would you consider that a defeat at the hands of SF or would you make more "what if" questions with very little basis in reality? ----------------------------------- Wren says: "Chirpy Chirp Chirp.... DAMNIT!"
Tomahawk Bliss INTAKI UNION The OSS	Posted - 2007.04.16 16:41:00 - [130] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: The Cosmopolite This next phase of the war will be concluded and a key objective met when the Curatores Veritatis Alliance retracts its declaration of war against the Star Fraction and as it does so surrenders to the reality that they cannot defend the Empire and those who support it. So let's get this straight then. SF's primary objective in this war is to get CVA to retract their declaration. Should CVA hurt SF so much that the anarchists only have two pilots remaining, based outside the Empire (and as such, about as effective as asthmatic ants carrying heavy shopping bags uphill when it comes to destroying the Empire) what would happen then? No doubt CVA would feel that their job would be done, retract the war and at this point SF would declare a historic victory! Only in the SF can a victory be claimed after a crushing defeat! success has little to do with the outcome one side wants to occure or who retracts, we had to retract ona corp because the few remaining pod pilots decided to go planet side for a long vacation rather than face us, we ended the war and yet still "won". If SF is unable to fight the beat the CVA then they will have lost and we all will have seen it. everyone is watching the conflict, seeing who is free to move and who is not. see who fights and who avoid, who died and who does not. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.16 18:25:00 - [131] Originally by: Wren Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: The Cosmopolite This next phase of the war will be concluded and a key objective met when the Curatores Veritatis Alliance retracts its declaration of war against the Star Fraction and as it does so surrenders to the reality that they cannot defend the Empire and those who support it. So let's get this straight then. SF's primary objective in this war is to get CVA to retract their declaration. Should CVA hurt SF so much that the anarchists only have two pilots remaining, based outside the Empire (and as such, about as effective as asthmatic ants carrying heavy shopping bags uphill when it comes to destroying the Empire) what would happen then? No doubt CVA would feel that their job would be done, retract the war and at this point SF would declare a historic victory! Only in the SF can a victory be claimed after a crushing defeat! Or a better "What IF?!??!" question would be: What if purple time traveling fedos took over a factory and produced tech10 mining lasers that could beam trit straight through the walls of a station and mined all veld rocks simultaneously? Then what if that pile of trit was so perfect that even the Emporor declares it holy and orders all combat activities that might endanger the pile to be stopped? Would you consider that a defeat at the hands of SF or would you make more "what if" questions with very little basis in reality? Merely pointing out that SF's victory conditions allow them to claim a defeat as a victory. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Angelic Ledoux Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.16 18:43:00 - [132] Originally by: Rodj Blake Merely pointing out that SF's victory conditions allow them to claim a defeat as a victory. Of course, you could do the same thing, must in the same way that your war diary claims that your forces drive all enemies before them. Sure, we could claim victory any time, but since doing so would fly in the face of reality (look it up), doing so would be both foolish and a waste of time. When we claim victory, none but the most oblivious of our enemies (that's you) will deny that we speak the truth.
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.16 18:44:00 - [133] Agh. My niece has been playing with my comms again. _
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.16 18:48:00 - [134] Originally by: "Vigilia Valeria objectives" The state of war will be maintained until such time as The Star Fraction retreat from Amarr, retract their war or cease to threaten normal trade and traffic in Amarr. Originally by: Rodj Blake Merely pointing out that SF's victory conditions allow them to claim a defeat as a victory. You own logic applies to Vigilia Valeria's objectives if you come up with a hypothetical such as your scenario: eg. a situation where SF destroys PIE to the same degree, retracts its war declaration and moves on to other business. In that case, VV could claim 'victory' on the ashes of PIE if they really wished to. Personally, I think such hypothetical logic-chopping is utterly sterile and people will judge the reality in space for themselves. I will be quite clear about something though. If SF is effectively destroyed as an entity we will have the courage and honesty to admit it is so and accept defeat. Let us hope, at least, that the same will hold true for Amarrian loyalist groups. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Wren Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.04.16 18:52:00 - [135] Originally by: Devilish Ledoux Agh. My niece has been playing with my comms again. Hey... Devilish, why haven't you introduced us yet, eh? Errr, wait, I should really look into thread hijacking rehabilitation. ----------------------------------- Wren says: "Chirpy Chirp Chirp.... DAMNIT!"
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.16 19:59:00 - [136] Edited by: Devilish Ledoux on 16/04/2007 19:54:54 Originally by: Wren Originally by: Devilish Ledoux Agh. My niece has been playing with my comms again. Hey... Devilish, why haven't you introduced us yet, eh? Because you're my friend and I come from a place where they cut off the hands of convicted thieves. Imagine what I'd do to you. Quote: Errr, wait, I should really look into thread hijacking rehabilitation. Rehab is for quitters. _
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.04.17 01:49:00 - [137] starts cheering for Star Fraction If you guys need projectile ammo, ask Rocius or Masim. We have tons stored in our corp hangars, and I imagine we'd give you a good discount. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.17 08:36:00 - [138] Originally by: Nachshon starts cheering for Star Fraction If you guys need projectile ammo, ask Rocius or Masim. We have tons stored in our corp hangars, and I imagine we'd give you a good discount. Once again, we see my thinking regarding the Troika of Terror to be proven correct. We have on one hand the Electus Matari, a group of Republic supporters. On the other hand, we have the Star Faction - dedicated to the overthrow of all governments including the one currently running the Republic. And yet this fundamental difference in philosophy is overcome by their shared loathing and jealousy of the Empire. Nachson, I hope that you have many enjoyable hours beneath the anarchist boot, having your blood drained by cultists. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.04.18 00:43:00 - [139] Rodj, you hit it right on the button. I do not share an ideology with Star Fraction, but we have a common enemy, and I am prepared to offer them support in fighting you. I should note that I will not offer such support to Bloodveil, whose philosophies are more opposed to mine than yours are. I am happy to see you fighting Bloodveil, so that you may destroy each other. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.04.18 14:05:00 - [140] Originally by: Nachshon I do not share an ideology with Star Fraction, but we have a common enemy... We're a Republic loyalist paramilitary alliance, Nachshon. The only reason Star Fraction haven't attacked us yet, is that they haven't attacked us yet. -Eva- Re-Awakened Technologies Inc is recruiting - join channel RTI-IC for detail
Hardin Amarr Silver Snake Enterprise A Few Good Men.	Posted - 2007.04.18 14:54:00 - [141] This Star Fiction communication makes me laugh. CVA will retract the war dec when it feels like retracting the war dec. Could be tomorrow, could be in six months. We set our own agenda and a bunch of anarchists wont change that. Star Fiction know where we are yet they make no serious attempt to cause any damage to CVA or its holdings... because they know they can't. They sit in Amarr and dock whenever they face any fleet that threatens to give them a decent fight. Operation Slaughterhouse should be renamed Operation Drophouse in recognition of the delusional drugs that Star Fiction pilots have clearly been taking ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.18 15:01:00 - [142] Originally by: Hardin This Star Fiction communication makes me laugh. CVA will retract the war dec when it feels like retracting the war dec. Could be tomorrow, could be in six months. We set our own agenda and a bunch of anarchists wont change that. Star Fiction know where we are yet they make no serious attempt to cause any damage to CVA or its holdings... because they know they can't. They sit in Amarr and dock whenever they face any fleet that threatens to give them a decent fight. Operation Slaughterhouse should be renamed Operation Drophouse in recognition of the delusional drugs that Star Fiction pilots have clearly been taking An interesting insight into the Amarrian psyche. When we engaged them with them only fielding twice as many ships as us, we are outnumbering them. One assumes that you only consider it a fair fight with 10:1 numbers in you favour? Regardless of sniping, I can only assume you are victim to the lies of your alliance mates Hardin because youÆre not usually that blatant in your misdirection. But, as you say, youÆve been planet side for a long time. All I can say is, every time IÆve been present for muster, regardless of the numbers we have been in space. Curiously, the last time saw the formation of a 50 ship Amarrian loyalist fleet, but as soon as its forward scout reported we had undocked the 20 ships we had available it fragmented amongst the local systems and stations, eventually dissolving. Very curious. Maybe you should return from your planet side duties Hardin, it would appear you allies are making you into a liar. -------------------------------------------- Join Now
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.18 15:04:00 - [143] Originally by: Hardin They sit in Amarr and dock whenever they face any fleet that threatens to give them a decent fight. A 30 ship fleet does not inflict more losses on a 60 ship fleet than it takes itself by avoiding the fight. A 20 ship fleet does not rout another 20 ship fleet by avoiding the fight. A 10 ship fleet does not destroy a 10 ship fleet by avoiding the fight. These were all decent fights. Perhaps Hardin has another definition of a 'decent fight' in mind but these three examples alone make his statement false. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Hardin Amarr Silver Snake Enterprise A Few Good Men.	Posted - 2007.04.18 15:22:00 - [144] Edited by: Hardin on 18/04/2007 15:21:14 You are no slouch when it comes to misdirection either... My information indicates that Star Fraction consistently dock when threatened by CVA assets. I am sure you will deny it in able Star Fraction fashion but that is the feedback I have received from my colleagues in the CVA. Nevertheless you have diverted attention away from the main thrust of my post which was the statement that CVA will declare war and undeclare war whenever and wherever we feel like it and your puny alliance has no say over that. The fact remains that since Cosmopolite announced the launch of Operation Slaughterhouse against the CVA your alliance has consistently squatted in Amarr. Why? CVA doesn't live in Amarr. We are bringing Amarrian law and order to low-sec and 0.0. If you want to 'slaughter' us then come and do so. Many have tried, many have failed, including your own organisation on prior occasions. We declared war for our own reasons and we shall undeclare for our own reasons. Declare victory when we do by all means if it makes you feel important. ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.18 15:42:00 - [145] Originally by: Hardin My information indicates that Star Fraction consistently dock when threatened by CVA assets. I am sure you will deny it in able Star Fraction fashion but that is the feedback I have received from my colleagues in the CVA. They are telling you lies. I suggest you ask Aralis how he was relieved of command of a Damnation class Command Battlecruiser and sent howling to his clone bay by Star Fraction pilots who 'consistently dock when threatened by CVA assets'. For your reference, as you seem ignorant of events, this occurred during a battle between two 20-strong fleets. A 20-strong fleet is very much a threat to another 20-strong fleet. This is one fact among many that very straightforwardly shows you are talking nonsense. Quote: The fact remains that since Cosmopolite announced the launch of Operation Slaughterhouse against the CVA your alliance has consistently squatted in Amarr. Why? We declared war on the PIE loyalists based in the Empire. Operation Slaughterhouse was not launched against the CVA. Operation Slaughterhouse is a response to the CVA declaring war against us. If the CVA don't like the fact we operate in Empire they can either stay away or try to remove us. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Hardin Amarr Silver Snake Enterprise A Few Good Men.	Posted - 2007.04.18 16:31:00 - [146] More hot air... Originally by: The Cosmopolite We now begin Operation Slaughterhouse. This next phase of the war will be concluded and a key objective met when the Curatores Veritatis Alliance retracts its declaration of war against the Star Fraction and as it does so surrenders to the reality that they cannot defend the Empire and those who support it. Let the slaughter begin. The Freecaptains of the Star Fraction Oh so this is not a war against the CVA when your stated objective is to get us to retract our war? You intend to bore us into submission. You talk a good talk but you still can't walk the walk. Come, you want to kill us, you know where we live, come and visit. Or sit in Amarr all day. You know that you can dock whenever CVA comes up to smite you... Is your intention to waste our time and bore us into submission with constant drivel about your wars? As I stated in my original post on this communication thread the CVA decides when to declare or retract war for our own reasons and they have very little to do with Star Fictions action (or inaction). By all means declare our retraction (if and when it comes) as a victory but rest assured that if we do retract it will be for our own reason and because someone else is more worthy of our attention... ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Wren Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.04.18 16:42:00 - [147] Maybe you should just retract it now then, might save you some ships. ----------------------------------- Wren says: "Chirpy Chirp Chirp.... DAMNIT!"
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.18 16:49:00 - [148] Originally by: Hardin Oh so this is not a war against the CVA when your stated objective is to get us to retract our war? Nice try but our objective for this phase of the campaign is to see you retract the war you declared against us. Given you declared against us this objective is a clear and understandable one. I am 100% certain that if we retracted our war against PIE it would be cheered to the echo as a victory for them and a loss for us. It is a stated aim of the Vigilia Valeria alliance to see us retract our war against PIE. So your empty protestations that it is for us to come charging down to Providence when our war is against PIE and anyone who chooses to help them miss the mark entirely. We will continue to wage war unrelenting against PIE whether you are involved or not. Don't want to be involved? Go away. Do want to be involved? Come and fight where the war is. It's entirely up to you. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Hardin Amarr Silver Snake Enterprise A Few Good Men.	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:11:00 - [149] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Originally by: Hardin Oh so this is not a war against the CVA when your stated objective is to get us to retract our war? Nice try but our objective for this phase of the campaign is to see you retract the war you declared against us. Given you declared against us this objective is a clear and understandable one. I am 100% certain that if we retracted our war against PIE it would be cheered to the echo as a victory for them and a loss for us. It is a stated aim of the Vigilia Valeria alliance to see us retract our war against PIE. So your empty protestations that it is for us to come charging down to Providence when our war is against PIE and anyone who chooses to help them miss the mark entirely. We will continue to wage war unrelenting against PIE whether you are involved or not. Don't want to be involved? Go away. Do want to be involved? Come and fight where the war is. It's entirely up to you. The Cosmopolite So your objective is to try and achieve a result which is completely out of your hands? Hmmm... I wonder if I can come up with some objectives for myself? I know... I set the objective that I shall wake up tomorrow morning after a long refreshing sleep... and whoppee doo I am 99% sure it shall happen. Aren't I clever? You and your friends in Star Fiction are the agressors here. You pick on the smaller loyalist corps and boast about your sucessess. Wow you are special! Then you claim that CVA can't help them... Indeed we can't when you dock whenever we send a significant fleet in that direction. As I stated originally, but its a point worth repeating, you know where we are. You know where we live. If you can force us to leave then you may have achieved something but instead you chose an option which you thought was achievable. Great... it is what I would do... but unfortunately it is rather lacking in adventurous spirit. PIE and the other Empire based loyalist corps will continue to fight you and they shall continue to enjoy the support of the CVA - whether that is in the form of an official war dec or in other ways is for us to know. We may retract tomorrow, we may not retract for a year, we may never retract... its our choice and nothing you do has any impact on it. All you need to worry about is that while you sit aimlessly in Amarr trying to outlast PIE and co (which you will never do by the way)...we are continuing to spread Amarrian law and order throughout the galaxy, smiting pirates and terrorists alike... If you don't like it you know where to find us... ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Wren Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:21:00 - [150] So the new CVA stance is "Come find us," instead of "We bring the purging light of GOD!" Interesting times. ----------------------------------- Wren says: "Chirpy Chirp Chirp.... DAMNIT!"

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