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Tomahawk Bliss INTAKI UNION The OSS	Posted - 2007.04.13 19:14:00 - [91] Originally by: Bacchanalian Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss If you have no intention of going into Providence, then you can not effect the CVA in any meaningful manner. I thought the point of drawing CVA out was to defeat them, do you not intend to defeat the Amarr paramilitary forces as you have done in the past to the Caldari, Gallente and I supose you plan to do to the Minmatar later down the road? If you intend to defeat the CVA the only way you can is to break their zone of empire exspantion in Providence, if you do not intend to defeat them then why draw them into a war you aren't planning to win? Since the first time you opened your foul mouth on the topic of our conflict with the Amarrians, I have been awaiting a war declaration from you so that I might understand exactly what relevance you think you have to it. I have thus far been disappointed. Might I ask why an Intaki freedom fighter feels that he has a place in a conflict between the Amarrians and The Star Fraction? And might I further ask why, if said individual or organization feels it has such a place in said conflict, why they choose not to participate outside of spouting hot air on GalNet? My fellow Fractionists may or may not agree with my feelings on the matter, but I for one am quite tired of listening to your mewling and yapping. I did actually. I suppose you missed the concord war dec. I'm surprised though, Star Fraction was so petrified of our involvement they ran screaming to Naphtalia, who then ran crying to some friends and caused such a drama in the alliance Intaki Union withdrew its petition for war. One would have thought that while your leaders were urinating in their pods at the thought of outside involvement there would have at least been an internal mail about it you could have read? Regardless you are free to declare on me, and actually you donÆt even have to do that. Unlike you I do not hide under the protection of the Amarr Navy. I am in lawless space, in fact even now I am deep in enemy territory harassing their back lines. If you want a piece of me, then bring it. I will not run crying to your leaders and beg them to forestall you, I am not afraid, I would relish a fight with you. To me it sounds fun and ever have I been drawn to the hilarity of carnage. Enjoy. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Sardoniac Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2007.04.13 20:20:00 - [92] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Gaius Kador During the Star Fraction's last campaign, PIE, VV, AM, OQ and the CVA successfully escorted a Speaker of the Truth throughout the Kor-Azor region, and to his final destination. He was forced to pod himself to jump through our blockade because your fleet was too innept and cowardly to clear a path. Get over yourself scrubling. Now the real war begins. Telling a blatant lie 2 times doesnt make it true. At least everyone knows what he has to give on your word....Turning a total loss into a "you shall not pass"-statement is somehow amusing.
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.13 21:11:00 - [93] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss I did actually. I suppose you missed the concord war dec. I'm surprised though, Star Fraction was so petrified of our involvement they ran screaming to Naphtalia, who then ran crying to some friends and caused such a drama in the alliance Intaki Union withdrew its petition for war. One would have thought that while your leaders were urinating in their pods at the thought of outside involvement there would have at least been an internal mail about it you could have read? I seem to recall you giving me your personal assurances to me that both you and your compatriots had absolutely no intention of actually fighting Star Fraction, and that you were merely declaring war on us to facilitate Aegis Militia's entrance into your alliance and to attempt to pressure us to renounce our cordial relationshp with Sani Sabik. I suppose that meets your definition of bravery. It's also worth noting that your alliance's leadership withdrew the declaration of war not at anyone's request, but of their own volition. It appears that someone misled them about the true reason behind Aegis Militia's attempt to join your valorous organization. Quote: Regardless you are free to declare on me, and actually you donÆt even have to do that. Unlike you I do not hide under the protection of the Amarr Navy. I am in lawless space, in fact even now I am deep in enemy territory harassing their back lines. If you want a piece of me, then bring it. I will not run crying to your leaders and beg them to forestall you, I am not afraid, I would relish a fight with you. To me it sounds fun and ever have I been drawn to the hilarity of carnage. I'm sure we'll find you in space sooner or later. You'll understand, of course, if we don't fall all over ourselves plumbing the wilds of Syndicate in a vain hunt for your frozen corpse. Or does the nature of your delusion also include a sense that you are the center of all attention? _
Tatsue Nuko Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.13 22:45:00 - [94] Tomahawk, all talk and no walk, the poor little boy. You can see he's almost as *****ed as the poor bishop. Seriously. Quit the blabbering and declare war again already if we suck so badly. This time, make sure to keep the war alive this time.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.14 00:48:00 - [95] Quote: I suggest you try it. At the current time there is a case at law before CONCORD arguing that POS should not be protected by CONCORD from war enemies. At this time, they are. I know what I am talking about in this matter so again, you're simply wrong. Last I saw it was so although that comes from browsing various starbase-net resources on the clusters information network. If it has changed or I am wrong I will concede the point. Regardless a wardec still allows attack and the SPCS hasn't hired mercs against itself to raise war costs so the point is still moot. That is the main point I was trying to make. It is removable.... if it requires a wardec that's still a minor inconvience for a determined enemy. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.14 00:57:00 - [96] Originally by: Archbishop That is the main point I was trying to make. It is removable.... if it requires a wardec that's still a minor inconvience for a determined enemy. Archbishop Incorrect. You still are pretending ignorance of this. Even with a wardec Concord will still defend anchored equipment in space. I invite you attack a SF secure can and discover for yourself how much of a "minor inconvenience" this is. Star Fraction is recruiting
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.14 01:13:00 - [97] I will investigate this and if my belief is incorrect I will apologize for my failure to understand the mechanics of Concord. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.14 12:33:00 - [98] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss I did actually. I suppose you missed the concord war dec. I'm surprised though, Star Fraction was so petrified of our involvement they ran screaming to Naphtalia, who then ran crying to some friends and caused such a drama in the alliance Intaki Union withdrew its petition for war. One would have thought that while your leaders were urinating in their pods at the thought of outside involvement there would have at least been an internal mail about it you could have read? See this surprises me. I mean when the OSS wardec arrived the general reaction from SF was "so Bliss shows his true colours, well let him come" - there wasn't much in the way of terrified horror. I mean, we're an alliance that was happy to engage 60 CVA line ships in battle in Amarr last night and walked away with the balance of kills in our favour. Its not actually very likely we'd be terrified of the assets that Intaki Union could bring is it? I felt personally we were very decent allies to you in the CYI campaign and treated you and yours with respect and consideration. But don't mistake our unwillingless to see good people drawn into a bad conflict for fear. You know me Tomahawk, I'll fight anyone given half a chance at victory, and there is honestly no reason to suppose that SF wouldn't do extremely well against Intaki Union if you brought them into the fight. Quote: Regardless you are free to declare on me, and actually you donÆt even have to do that. Unlike you I do not hide under the protection of the Amarr Navy. I am in lawless space, in fact even now I am deep in enemy territory harassing their back lines. If you want a piece of me, then bring it. I will not run crying to your leaders and beg them to forestall you, I am not afraid, I would relish a fight with you. To me it sounds fun and ever have I been drawn to the hilarity of carnage. We've got a war to fight in Amarr core systems. Its beneath you to attempt the rather juvenile baiting above. Star Fraction is recruiting
Alistair Cononach Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.14 13:56:00 - [99] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine You know me Tomahawk, I'll fight anyone given half a chance at victory Interesting. You require "half a chance at victory" in order to fight, but you've been here of late bearating lone PIE pilots for "not undocking" (a fallacy in and of itself, of course) in the face of 10+ SF pilots camping them? Must be the same ideal that has you claiming PIE outnumbers you, when in my experience it's consistently 10+ SF for every active PIE pilot, eh? So when you choose to avoid combat it's the intelligent tactical genius of a brilliant Free Captain, but if another does it, it's got to be fear, eh? Sounds like standard issue Star Fiction hypocricy to me. Hell, I had 10 of your ilk chasing me just the other day....just me, not a PIE or Allied Fleet. Just me. Multiple Interceptors, H.A.Cruisers and Battleships.......just for a lone Assault Frigate. Never did catch me either, despite your best efforts and my lack of Core Stabilizers, and I went about my normal business as usual shortly therafter. Such bravery you show free captain. Such bravery. Oh, by the way, my Bestower flew through Amarr this morning, leasuirely I must say. No sign of active SF, even with a number of you in local (docked perhaps?), and certainly no resistance to my big, slow, juicy, loot-filled cargo-tug flying around the system. Hardly sounds like "System Superiority" to me, all things considered.....
Udyr Vulpayne Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.14 14:21:00 - [100] Originally by: The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction does not dock up and refuse to engage enemies in order to meet goals it has set. So when was the exact moment this policy changed to "We will continue to fight you when we can score some easy kills and hide when you are the ones outnumbering us." ?
Heero Yuy Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.14 15:27:00 - [101] And the spin and twisting of word just goes on and on and on and..... There's a difference between docking up when faced with a force outnumbering you more than 2:1 and doing the same in the face of one or two hostile ships when having numerical superiority oneself.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.14 15:28:00 - [102] Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 14/04/2007 15:26:40 Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne Originally by: The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction does not dock up and refuse to engage enemies in order to meet goals it has set. So when was the exact moment this policy changed to "We will continue to fight you when we can score some easy kills and hide when you are the ones outnumbering us." ? It hasn't, if you are referring to the battle in Amarr last night, I will simply state the facts. In Amarr last night, a Star Fraction fleet number approximately 30 engaged elements of a unified Amarrian Loyalist fleet numbering some 60. Some 11 loyalist ships were destroyed, including 3 battleships, 2 battlecruisers and 2 elite cruisers. The Star Fraction fleet lost 6 ships, consisting of 2 battleships and 4 interceptors. Shortly after a significant period of combat maneouvers by both sides, during which the above losses were sustained on each side, the Amarr system's navigation and communication network suffered some kind of overload. Faced with the possibility of being paralysed in space, the Star Fraction fleet commander ordered all ships to dock if able to do so. A general order was then given to stand down for 1 hour and relax according to each freecaptain's tastes. At the finish of this hour, the Star Fraction fleet undocked and patrolled Amarrian space, destroying another loyalist ship, and engaging various mercenaries/wolfsheads of the Privateers alliance. I may say, that I would not have felt it necessary to state these simple facts if you had not decided to comment on something that was the result of a sustained system-wide NeoCom and warp-guide degradation and in some cases failure in Amarr. Were it not for that issue the battle would have continued for much longer. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Monsignor Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.14 15:47:00 - [103] Just to ensure I have the facts.... 1a. PIE pilots are docked and refuse to engage overwhelming forces = Cowering in stations in fear like cowards 1b. SF pilots docking to avoid overwhelming forces = some kind of strange system malfunction (sun spots perhaps?) and enjoying time at their leisure 2a. PIE pilots being supplied corp ships they lose = a loss for PIE directly 2b. SF pilots being supplied discount ships they lose = not a loss because they gain something from the use of them 3a. SF posting kill ratios and starting threads about them = not being obsessed by numbers 3b. PIE posting kill ratios in reply and pointing out they're not doing badly at all = being obsessed with numbers Thank you Star Fraction for making yourselves so clear and concise on the issues that matter. Monsignor
Udyr Vulpayne Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.14 15:53:00 - [104] Originally by: The Cosmopolite A general order was then given to stand down for 1 hour and relax according to each freecaptain's tastes. At the finish of this hour, the Star Fraction fleet undocked ... How convenient for you that we decided to stop wasting out time camping your "freecaptains" after about one hour then. The fact remains that you had active pilots docked in that station while we had a fleet outside ready to fight you. But dont get me wrong here. I'm not holding it against you. Just wondering what happend to that general sounding "The Star Fraction does not dock up and refuse to engage enemies" when we were there waiting for you to undock.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.14 15:59:00 - [105] It is simply a fact that SF pilots did not dock to avoid the numbers present in Amarr last night. No-one in SF has claimed that a ship loss is not a loss for us. Quite the reverse. We have always stated that losses are comparable. SF uses a simple system of counting and has never accused PIE of being obsessed with numbers when they publish their own statistics but has, rather, only done so when PIE has sought to accuse us of misrepresenting the state of the war with these figures, using false statistics and other spurious accusations. Thank you, Monsignor, for showing that telling lies and indulging in Archbishoptrickery runs in your family. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.14 16:02:00 - [106] Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne How convenient for you that we decided to stop wasting out time camping your "freecaptains" after about one hour then. The fact remains that you had active pilots docked in that station while we had a fleet outside ready to fight you. It's simply a fact. I don't tell lies. Our captains decided not to undock into the issues affecting the system and an hour break was called. Your force did not arrive until after that call. We did have a brave covert scout who was able to at least view events outside through the chaos of his ship systems. Quote: But dont get me wrong here. I'm not holding it against you. Just wondering what happend to that general sounding "The Star Fraction does not dock up and refuse to engage enemies" when we were there waiting for you to undock. We did not dock due to the presence of your forces. We engaged your forces in Amarr last night. Are you suggesting we did not? The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Kaiso Ohad Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.14 16:09:00 - [107] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Amarr system's navigation and communication network suffered some kind of overload. Faced with the possibility of being paralysed in space, the Star Fraction fleet commander ordered all ships to dock if able to do so. SF blaming their inadequacies on the battlefield they chose themselves. That's rich.
Tomahawk Bliss INTAKI UNION The OSS	Posted - 2007.04.14 16:14:00 - [108] the simple fact is that SF have spent a week claiming PIE were weak and cowards because they have been unwilling to undock into a fleet, the tables have turned and suddenly your choice to dock is "tactical" it sucks when your own propoganda blows up in your face doesn't it? no one expects anyone to fight when they cannot win, SF is the only group that then calls those who make the tacical choice to stay docked cowards. This is simple irony and it bit you in the backsides of your pods. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Udyr Vulpayne Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.14 16:19:00 - [109] Originally by: The Cosmopolite We did have a brave covert scout who was able to at least view events outside through the chaos of his ship systems. then your brave scout could have told you that everything had returned back to normal after a few minutes and your remaining active "freecaptains" could have undocked to fight us. Originally by: The Cosmopolite We did not dock due to the presence of your forces. We engaged your forces in Amarr last night. Are you suggesting we did not? Of course you did not dock to escape overwhelming odds. We were not in system when you docked but next door reorganizing our fleet just as you were doing in amarr. And yes you did engage us and destroyed a fair number of our ships. Then you had to flee from the field of battle as our shortrange warped in on your snipers. I am merely pointing out that there were active "freecaptains" docked in system and unwilling to engage us even after amarr had returned to normal conditions.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.14 16:38:00 - [110] We won the exchange of casualties in the fleet battle. But you held the field for 60mins. After which your patience failed and you returned to your strongholds in Misaba and Providence. Thats all there is to say. Star Fraction is recruiting
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.14 17:01:00 - [111] Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 14/04/2007 17:00:24 Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne I am merely pointing out that there were active "freecaptains" docked in system and unwilling to engage us even after amarr had returned to normal conditions. True. Some were active in the station, while others were not, and decided not to undock their ships into a fleet numbering at various points between 40 and 60 ships. We undocked when all pilots reported for duty at the agreed time exactly 1 hour later. If you do not have the patience for extended warfare, that is your problem. We do and the war will continue. Overall, The Star Fraction did not dock up ahead of the battle and refuse to engage your fleet at all despite our foreknowledge that it outnumbered us considerably. Otherwise, how to explain inflicting the losses on your fleet that we did? The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Amira Silvermist The Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.04.14 17:17:00 - [112] Comedy... pure comedy. Amarr racial trait: Nerfbat damage resistance 0%
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.14 17:20:00 - [113] Originally by: Amira Silvermist Comedy... pure comedy. I continue to think highly of the bravery of Aegis Militia pilots who have engaged us in the war thus far. I may extend that to you if you choose to join your fellows in combat. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Udyr Vulpayne Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.14 17:25:00 - [114] which one is it now? did they "decided not to undock their ships into a fleet" or did they "not...refuse to engage your fleet"? as i wrote earlier i am very well aware of the earlier engagement. in fact at least one of your pilots should have noted my pressence there. i was merely wondering why you did not stick to your earlier claim that your "freecaptains" would not dock and avoid fights.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.14 17:35:00 - [115] Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne which one is it now? did they "decided not to undock their ships into a fleet" or did they "not...refuse to engage your fleet"? as i wrote earlier i am very well aware of the earlier engagement. in fact at least one of your pilots should have noted my pressence there. i was merely wondering why you did not stick to your earlier claim that your "freecaptains" would not dock and avoid fights. See you space again tonight, and the next night, and the night after that. Maybe it'll be your lucky turn to be picked and executed out of a fleet of 60 by the hand of god Star Fraction is recruiting
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.14 17:40:00 - [116] Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 14/04/2007 17:37:33 Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne which one is it now? did they "decided not to undock their ships into a fleet" or did they "not...refuse to engage your fleet"? Quite simply we engaged a fleet of some 60 with our fleet of some 30. Pilots docked when it was absolutely necessary to do so in the judgement of the commander. No fleet was outside the station when a 1 hour stand-down was called. Pilots on duty then fell to around 10 members as others refreshed themselves or carried out other activities following the battle. Those 10 pilots did not undock into a waiting fleet of 60 because by avoiding what you choose to call a 'fight' they would be ready to take part in a fight when the hour was up. Sadly, the Amarrian fleet dispersed over that hour as it did not have the patience we had expected of them. However, we undocked and patrolled Amarrian space, destroying a PIE interceptor that tried to trail us and finding no other Amarrians in space, engaged other forces we were at war with. Quote: as i wrote earlier i am very well aware of the earlier engagement. in fact at least one of your pilots should have noted my pressence there. i was merely wondering why you did not stick to your earlier claim that your "freecaptains" would not dock and avoid fights. I stated that the Star Fraction does not dock up and refuse to engage enemies in order to meet goals it has set. We engaged your forces numbering some 60 to our 30. We inflicted losses on your fleet for fewer losses on our part. We did not avoid the fight. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Udyr Vulpayne Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.14 17:49:00 - [117] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Those 10 pilots did not undock into a waiting fleet of 60. So at least we agree that your pilots were docked and refusing to fight while there was an enemy fleet waiting outside then. Also note that your earlier statement "The Star Fraction does not dock up and refuse to engage enemies in order to meet goals it has set." does not include any numbers to specify when it is supposed to stand true and when it can be safely ignored.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.14 17:56:00 - [118] Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne Also note that your earlier statement "The Star Fraction does not dock up and refuse to engage enemies in order to meet goals it has set." does not include any numbers to specify when it is supposed to stand true and when it can be safely ignored. We engaged 60 ships with 30 and inflicted a number of losses for fewer in return. We did not dock up in order to avoid any fight. The statement remains completely true. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Udyr Vulpayne Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.14 18:07:00 - [119] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Our pilots were docked and refusing to waste themselves in a futile battle that could not possibly be won. Thank you.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.14 18:09:00 - [120] Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 14/04/2007 18:14:07 Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 14/04/2007 18:13:27 Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne Originally by: The Cosmopolite Our pilots were docked and refusing to waste themselves in a futile battle that could not possibly be won. Thank you. You are most welcome and thank you for misquoting me and proving that PIE make most of their points by quoting out-of-context yet again. We engaged 60 ships with 30 and inflicted a number of losses for fewer in return. We did not dock up in order to avoid the fight. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal

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