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Gaogan
Gallente
Solar Storm
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Posted - 2007.04.13 19:12:00 -
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Seems that you can remote rep rats to use them to kill people in high sec plexes, without flagging or taking a sec hit or getting concorded. It also seems that at least some GMs think this is "a valid tactic" and suggest war decing the people doing it, or giving up and leaving the area since they are hiding behind the npc corp shield.
Does anyone else find this response unacceptable?
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Brutor Shaun
Minmatar
Freelancers UK Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.13 19:17:00 -
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Yes. There needs to be some sort of time limit on staying in an NPC corp.
Even better would be a ship limit. Nothing bigger than a level 2 frigate.
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Kylana Darkfate
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.04.13 19:19:00 -
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As I've said before, CCP supports and encourages griefing of other players. Welcome to Grief Online.
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Rutoo
Gallente
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.04.13 19:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Kylana Darkfate
As I've said before, CCP supports and encourages griefing of other players. Welcome to Grief Online.
And welcome to the Eve-O Fourms, even better known as "Whine Online"
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RedFall
Irreligion
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Posted - 2007.04.13 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Brutor Shaun
Yes. There needs to be some sort of time limit on staying in an NPC corp.
Even better would be a ship limit. Nothing bigger than a level 2 frigate.
Then we would have tens of thousands of one man corps.
All the cool corp names would be taken up by them.
It seems that on Eve-Online, the modus operandi is to try to make everything fair and equal by taking away certain peoples rights and abilities, and like Heinlein said, it's always the other guys stuff that gets nerfed. Eventually someone will want to nerf something that you like.
Then Eve will be boring. It's a vicious circle.
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Alski
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.13 19:25:00 -
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Its PvP with an allmost certain distruction of the victims ship while giveing him no chance to fight back and with absoluteley no risk to the agressor.
Its an exploit.
Prove me wrong. 
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Kylana Darkfate
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.04.13 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Rutoo
And welcome to the Eve-O Fourms, even better known as "Whine Online"
Heh heh, that's a good one! Mind if I use it sometime too?
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shivan
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.04.13 19:34:00 -
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This is going to be locked for 1 of 2 reasons.
1) Discussion of a possible exploit that should be done via a pitition.
2) Discussion on GM actions.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.13 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: shivan
This is going to be locked for 1 of 2 reasons.
1) Discussion of a possible exploit that should be done via a pitition.
2) Discussion on GM actions.
1. Wrong. It's not an exploit.
2. Wrong. He didn't post communications with a GM.
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Semkhet
Saudarkars
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Posted - 2007.04.13 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Alski
Its PvP with an allmost certain distruction of the victims ship while giveing him no chance to fight back and with absoluteley no risk to the agressor.
Its an exploit.
Prove me wrong.
Dude, your definition applies perfectly to jumping into a BOB, FNZ, MC, KR0M, CR or NERFT camp.
Grow up, 0% risk doesn't even exist in kindergarten 
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.13 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Alski
Its PvP with an allmost certain distruction of the victims ship while giveing him no chance to fight back and with absoluteley no risk to the agressor.
Its an exploit.
Prove me wrong.
By that logic, market scamming is an exploit.
Which it isn't.
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Ralara
Caldari
Lilandri Foundation
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Posted - 2007.04.13 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Gaogan
Seems that you can remote rep rats to use them to kill people in high sec plexes, without flagging or taking a sec hit or getting concorded. It also seems that at least some GMs think this is "a valid tactic" and suggest war decing the people doing it, or giving up and leaving the area since they are hiding behind the npc corp shield.
Does anyone else find this response unacceptable?
It's not an exploit anyway. An exploit is using a game mechanic to create an effect that was not intended. By remote repairing an NPC you are doing what the game expects: repairing your target.
Is it NICE? No. Is it an exploit? No. Should it be against the rules / made not possible to do - probably.
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Sidster
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.04.13 19:50:00 -
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I would suggest that the NPC-repping tactic is an exploit because there's nothing the victim can do about it. The same cannot be said about jumping into a camp or getting scammed on the market. |
RedFall
Irreligion
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Posted - 2007.04.13 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Sidster
I would suggest that the NPC-repping tactic is an exploit because there's nothing the victim can do about it. The same cannot be said about jumping into a camp or getting scammed on the market.
Fail.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.13 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara
Should it be against the rules / made not possible to do - probably.
No. How about it work the same as if I repair you if you do the same to the target... flags me as an aggressor, allowing for a counter-attack.
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Kiviar
Caldari
Dirty Sanchez Ltd
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Posted - 2007.04.13 20:02:00 -
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Edited by: Kiviar on 13/04/2007 19:58:55
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Ralara
Should it be against the rules / made not possible to do - probably.
No. How about it work the same as if I repair you if you do the same to the target... flags me as an aggressor, allowing for a counter-attack.
That is actually not a bad idea.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.13 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kiviar
Edited by: Kiviar on 13/04/2007 19:58:55
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Ralara
Should it be against the rules / made not possible to do - probably.
No. How about it work the same as if I repair you if you do the same to the target... flags me as an aggressor, allowing for a counter-attack.
That is actually not a bad idea.
Thanks.
Seemed to make the most sense. I mean CCP went through all the trouble to make the NPCs act more like people with repairing and EW usage, why not let their interactions with us (say, we repping THEM) be more in line with how it works with players?
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2007.04.13 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Gaogan
Seems that you can remote rep rats to use them to kill people in high sec plexes, without flagging or taking a sec hit or getting concorded. It also seems that at least some GMs think this is "a valid tactic" and suggest war decing the people doing it, or giving up and leaving the area since they are hiding behind the npc corp shield.
Does anyone else find this response unacceptable?
Yes, ask to talk to a senior GM, who understands the flawed game mechanics and the improbability of being able to walk away if the right NPC is being repped.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente
Sanctuary
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Posted - 2007.04.13 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Gaogan
Seems that you can remote rep rats to use them to kill people in high sec plexes, without flagging or taking a sec hit or getting concorded. It also seems that at least some GMs think this is "a valid tactic" and suggest war decing the people doing it, or giving up and leaving the area since they are hiding behind the npc corp shield.
Does anyone else find this response unacceptable?
It's a crappy tactic, to be sure. A forum mod in another thread on this topic stated essentially that at this time it is not classified as an exploit, but that it's not working as intended.
I'd imagine that this is not going to be allowed to continue indefinitely.
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Badhands
Gallente
Gottland Production Transport Mines
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Posted - 2007.04.14 00:23:00 -
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IMO the easiest way to solve this would be to make the act of aiding someone (remote rep, tracking link, shield transfer, remote sensor booster, etc...) who is aggressing a target the same as aggressing the target.
For the record, imagine Player A and Player B are in hisec and decide to suicide gank Player C. Player A sics his drones on Player C, and player B begins remote repairing Player A, to give him a few more seconds before Concord pops him. Does Concord blast player B (the remote repairer)?
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Kick Rocks
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Posted - 2007.04.14 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Badhands
IMO the easiest way to solve this would be to make the act of aiding someone (remote rep, tracking link, shield transfer, remote sensor booster, etc...) who is aggressing a target the same as aggressing the target.
For the record, imagine Player A and Player B are in hisec and decide to suicide gank Player C. Player A sics his drones on Player C, and player B begins remote repairing Player A, to give him a few more seconds before Concord pops him. Does Concord blast player B (the remote repairer)?
It already is this way for players, just does not apply to NPC's. Simplest (on paper) solution is to make this apply to NPC's as well.
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MotoTsume
Gallente
Clan Black Scorpion
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Posted - 2007.04.14 00:29:00 -
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Edited by: MotoTsume on 14/04/2007 00:25:57
Originally by: Badhands
IMO the easiest way to solve this would be to make the act of aiding someone (remote rep, tracking link, shield transfer, remote sensor booster, etc...) who is aggressing a target the same as aggressing the target.
For the record, imagine Player A and Player B are in hisec and decide to suicide gank Player C. Player A sics his drones on Player C, and player B begins remote repairing Player A, to give him a few more seconds before Concord pops him. Does Concord blast player B (the remote repairer)?
I a lot of other MMORPGS if you aid some one in combat you automatically get flagged as being an acceptable target by his opponent and his allies
In Lineage II infact you would be tagged as being able to be killed by anyone in the game for as long as your helping and also for about 2 min afterwards.
edit:Spelling
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.14 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Alski
Its PvP with an allmost certain distruction of the victims ship while giveing him no chance to fight back and with absoluteley no risk to the agressor.
Its an exploit.
Prove me wrong.
To be fair, we used to do this to macroers in Genesis, back in the day. For the good of the Veldspar!
I wouldn't go so far as to call it an exploit, as much as a game mechanic that needs altering. I don't think the people doing it are to blame, just that CCP should put some thought into changing this kind of thing.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.04.14 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jimer Lins
It's a crappy tactic, to be sure. A forum mod in another thread on this topic stated essentially that at this time it is not classified as an exploit, but that it's not working as intended.
QFT.
Read that again folks.
An ISD guy asked a Dev straight up about this and CCP explicitly replied that this is NOT an exploit.
Personally I agree with most others and my jaw hit the floor at that one as it seems absurdly apparent that this is a loophole used to bypass in-place game mechanics but in the end an exploit is whatever CCP says and this is not one of them. A true "WTF???" moment for me when I read that and my impression of Dev decision malking abilities took a serious ding but I'm sure they couldn't give a frak about that.
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.14 02:21:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 14/04/2007 02:19:47
hmm I have some mixed emotions on this one. While on one hand it is an increadably unfair and cheap non-exploit that if you look at it in that sense probebly should be fixed. However on the other hand making isk through missions without risk in high-sec is too easy as it is "Risk v Reward" and this throws an intrestly loop-hole into the mix.
BTW, I'm also impressed with the creativeness of whoever first came up with this. Before the copycats showed up that is.
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Alski
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.14 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Alski
Its PvP with an allmost certain distruction of the victims ship while giveing him no chance to fight back and with absoluteley no risk to the agressor.
Its an exploit.
Prove me wrong.
By that logic, market scamming is an exploit.
Which it isn't.
because scamming is a form of PvP?
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Illyria Ambri
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.14 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: MotoTsume
In Lineage II infact you would be tagged as being able to be killed by anyone in the game for as long as your helping and also for about 2 min afterwards.
edit:Spelling
And this is why buffing raid bosses and bishop % heals don't work against farmers anymore.. they are safe once again.
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Dal Thrax
Caldari
Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2007.04.14 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Ralara
Should it be against the rules / made not possible to do - probably.
No. How about it work the same as if I repair you if you do the same to the target... flags me as an aggressor, allowing for a counter-attack.
No argument with the sentiment. The only problem is this is now how things are now. If you can't kill the repping ship without getting concorded then something is wrong.
Dal
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed. delaying startup again. soon as i have time i will fill you in on the details
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Ryan Scouse'UK
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Posted - 2007.04.14 04:26:00 -
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am sorry but whats the problem .. some guy in a high end plex in empire you say .. well thats a level 4/10 max no ? ... If the person goes inside this plex.. & ur repping just the 1 BS shall we say .. or whatever plex it might be.. Repping a Ship that is targeting the other guy surly he has a good enuff tank to ( tank the rat attacking him & such . oks he cant kill it .. but he cant die by the rat attacking him either.. so why is it such a big deal ? ...
feedback plz..
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Wendat Huron
Lupus Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.14 04:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ryan Scouse'UK
am sorry but whats the problem .. some guy in a high end plex in empire you say .. well thats a level 4/10 max no ? ... If the person goes inside this plex.. & ur repping just the 1 BS shall we say .. or whatever plex it might be.. Repping a Ship that is targeting the other guy surly he has a good enuff tank to ( tank the rat attacking him & such . oks he cant kill it .. but he cant die by the rat attacking him either.. so why is it such a big deal ? ...
feedback plz..
Wake up and smell the coffee, they're repping the scramblers so that he cannot leave and once they respawn he's toast.
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