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Anna Grahm
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.14 05:37:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Ralara
Should it be against the rules / made not possible to do - probably.
No. How about it work the same as if I repair you if you do the same to the target... flags me as an aggressor, allowing for a counter-attack.
Do you think this will actually solve anything? Griefers do everything they can to upset the play of other players with no risk to themselves. Witness: Jetissoning a can in highsec newbie space labelled "FREE STUFF" and blowing up the newbies who loot it. Sure, they can fight back, but they lack the means.
Your idea is good in theory but it fails there. Not only does a player have to deal with one or more NPCs (which are being repaired) but she also must deal with a griefer that is likely better outfitted (or able to easily warp away and come back in a better ship, just like ore thieves).
A better solution is required.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.14 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ryan Scouse'UK
am sorry but whats the problem .. some guy in a high end plex in empire you say .. well thats a level 4/10 max no ? ... If the person goes inside this plex.. & ur repping just the 1 BS shall we say .. or whatever plex it might be.. Repping a Ship that is targeting the other guy surly he has a good enuff tank to ( tank the rat attacking him & such . oks he cant kill it .. but he cant die by the rat attacking him either.. so why is it such a big deal ? ...
feedback plz..
First it is doing it in a COSMOS complex, so the attacckers:
1) have a high respawn rate;
2) include warp scrambling ships;
3) the maximum class ship usable are BC;
4) he can make the rats almost impossible to kill, especially in the time needed to clear the complex;
5) the rewards he get "owning" the complex are insane as it is one of the location where the invention items respawn;
6) he is in a NPC corp, so no chance to war dec him.
See more than sufficent to call it an exploit.
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Saibotek
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Posted - 2007.04.14 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Badhands
IMO the easiest way to solve this would be to make the act of aiding someone (remote rep, tracking link, shield transfer, remote sensor booster, etc...) who is aggressing a target the same as aggressing the target.
For the record, imagine Player A and Player B are in hisec and decide to suicide gank Player C. Player A sics his drones on Player C, and player B begins remote repairing Player A, to give him a few more seconds before Concord pops him. Does Concord blast player B (the remote repairer)?
Haven't tried it that way . But i was in a gang with an ex-corpie and i was using shield drones on him . He shot me and concord popped him. then they popped me for aiding and abeding a know criminal and we both took a sec status hit. I petitioned and was told basically i was out of luck and the game mechanic was right. so player b will be concorded as well. This thread isn't about aiding players though. its about aiding 'plex rats. The aggressor scans your ship to see what you have in fittings. if he likes he draws agro in a crow brings it to you. an alt or another player then begins to rep the rats that you target and fire open so you are held down and as the new spawns come they target you to the point of overwhelming you. and when you pop they steal your fittings and dock and wait out the agro timer. so theres no risk and plenty of reward for the tactic. especially for those in noob corps.
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Susan Acid
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.14 12:59:00 -
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If you are in any doubt as to wether this is an exploit or not simply petition it.If this happens to you take the names of the person/persons involved and send in a petition.
Seeing as how most of the people replying here are only posting their point of view I suggest letting CCP sort it out via a petition.
Don't believe a word anyone says until you get an official response from CCP.
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MrLobster
Cosmic Odyssey
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.04.14 13:04:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Alski
Its PvP with an allmost certain distruction of the victims ship while giveing him no chance to fight back and with absoluteley no risk to the agressor.
Its an exploit.
Prove me wrong.
By that logic, market scamming is an exploit.
Which it isn't.
With a market scam you can at least say no to buying the item
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Motorcycle Emptiness
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.14 13:16:00 -
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as it presently stands this is such a blatant exploit, to anyone with a brain it doesn't need explaining why. Flag the lame-ass griefers (quite simply as it should be) and the cowards will run. Personally, I feel, as they are taking directly aggressive action towards you without provocation in SECURE SPACE they should simply be chill-con concorded.
Let's face it, this kind of 'PvP' is at the level of can baiting newbs.
And this is nothing like market scamming where simple alertness will get you though safe. (unless you suggest maintaining constant alignment and warping (that is if you can) out the nanosecond someone else appears...whoa, what a great game!), seriously people who yelp 'learn and adapt' at everything should learn and Foxtrot Oscar.
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Makup
Pod.
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Posted - 2007.04.14 13:25:00 -
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Why not just build something in the game mechanics so that the person doing the repairing,
Gets flagged to the person getting shot at by the rats, or is shooting at the rat?
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Xtro 2
Caldari
Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2007.04.14 13:34:00 -
[38]
hardly an exploit.
seen as it can only occur in highsec, how hard is it to ask in local or corpchat for help, extras come over and toast the npc regardless of remoting.
its not rocket science here.
Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman.
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Rock Stalker
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Posted - 2007.04.14 13:35:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Susan Acid
If you are in any doubt as to wether this is an exploit or not simply petition it.If this happens to you take the names of the person/persons involved and send in a petition.
Seeing as how most of the people replying here are only posting their point of view I suggest letting CCP sort it out via a petition.
Don't believe a word anyone says until you get an official response from CCP.
First I cant give you an official response from CCP. The way these forums work if I tell you what the 4 GM's including a senior GM has told me this post will get deleted and this thread locked or deleted. So you guys are just SOL. I can tell you that I got a different answer from each one (draw your own conclusions). I can also tell you that after much complaining the offenders did NOT get banned but I DID get my ship and fittings back.
Hope I didnt say to much and this thread get to continue. If I did I apologize ahead of time.
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Amy Small
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Posted - 2007.04.14 13:50:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Rock Stalker
Originally by: Susan Acid
If you are in any doubt as to wether this is an exploit or not simply petition it.If this happens to you take the names of the person/persons involved and send in a petition.
Seeing as how most of the people replying here are only posting their point of view I suggest letting CCP sort it out via a petition.
Don't believe a word anyone says until you get an official response from CCP.
First I cant give you an official response from CCP. The way these forums work if I tell you what the 4 GM's including a senior GM has told me this post will get deleted and this thread locked or deleted. So you guys are just SOL. I can tell you that I got a different answer from each one (draw your own conclusions). I can also tell you that after much complaining the offenders did NOT get banned but I DID get my ship and fittings back.
Hope I didnt say to much and this thread get to continue. If I did I apologize ahead of time.
Prove it, otherwise you're just lying and causing CCP to get more petitions.
Tell me, if this is a perfectly legit tactic, according to many CCP officals, then why the hell did you get your ship back?
I hope you arn't lying, for your sakes.
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Rock Stalker
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Posted - 2007.04.14 14:10:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Amy Small
Originally by: Rock Stalker
Originally by: Susan Acid
If you are in any doubt as to wether this is an exploit or not simply petition it.If this happens to you take the names of the person/persons involved and send in a petition.
Seeing as how most of the people replying here are only posting their point of view I suggest letting CCP sort it out via a petition.
Don't believe a word anyone says until you get an official response from CCP.
First I cant give you an official response from CCP. The way these forums work if I tell you what the 4 GM's including a senior GM has told me this post will get deleted and this thread locked or deleted. So you guys are just SOL. I can tell you that I got a different answer from each one (draw your own conclusions). I can also tell you that after much complaining the offenders did NOT get banned but I DID get my ship and fittings back.
Hope I didnt say to much and this thread get to continue. If I did I apologize ahead of time.
Prove it, otherwise you're just lying and causing CCP to get more petitions.
Tell me, if this is a perfectly legit tactic, according to many CCP officals, then why the hell did you get your ship back?
I hope you arn't lying, for your sakes.
Look I swear i'm not lieing, but you are just going to have to take my word for it because it is againt the rules for me to post personal convos with the GM's.For each pettion I sent I got a different response from a differnt GM. The forth one was from a senior GM. He is the one that gave me my ship and fittings back.
If you read deeper into what I am saying you will see a bigger problem then just a "possible" exploit.
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heheheh
Singularity.
The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.04.14 14:11:00 -
[42]
Thanks to the OP,
Great Idea :)
Im gonna try this now seeing as though it isnt an exploit.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.04.14 14:20:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Amy Small
Prove it, otherwise you're just lying and causing CCP to get more petitions.
Tell me, if this is a perfectly legit tactic, according to many CCP officals, then why the hell did you get your ship back?
I hope you arn't lying, for your sakes.
This does not "prove" anything regarding the guy getting his ship back but it does seem even though CCP has declared this is not an exploit that they may see it as "broken" and as such may be inclined to replace stuff. Below is a quote from the ISD member who asked a Dev about this...make of it what you will. This is the closest thing to an official answer on the subject I have seen:
Originally by: Deckard Bishop
i have spoken with a GM and bug hunter....
at the moment this is NOT considered an exploit
however i doubt that it is working as originally intended by the devs so i am sure it will be investigated further.
if i hear anything else i will pass it on.
SOURCE: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=504422&page=3
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Luigi Thirty
Caldari
FIRMA
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Posted - 2007.04.14 15:29:00 -
[44]
Shouldn't repping a rat be like aiding a criminal and flaggable or something?
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Kirov VIII
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Posted - 2007.04.14 15:47:00 -
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It's not a exploit .. You have the right to help the NPC ... (Roleplay ...)
Protect NPC is a role ...
You can repair NPC, bump the player & shoot player with snowball (bump allowed, protect NPC is allowed too, snowball too ;) )
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Deckard Bishop
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.04.14 16:13:00 -
[46]
i have already closed one of these thread. the answer i gave before is:
Quote:
i have spoken with a GM and bug hunter....
at the moment this is NOT considered an exploit
however i doubt that it is working as originally intended by the devs so i am sure it will be investigated further.
if i hear anything else i will pass it on.
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