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ProjectSeven
z3r0 Gravity
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.16 23:21:00 -
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While i wait for the EVE cluster to put me through a queue to log in... I was thinking about the impacts of high sec now being a hostile area, and what it would do to the community.
This impact I believe is promoting growth in low sec and .0 systems, as you might as well make more money since your going to get shot. This will in turn mean more friendly miners to shoot at in low sec and more growth in .0 corp's and alliances. This will have a drastic change in our market prices, as the more difficult to obtain minerals become more abundant, possibly lowering market prices on most items.
In addition, pirating is now more profitable as the miners have all sorts of good loot they need to transport back to empire.
This is no negative rant, as I encourage the work of the Privateers. More of just seeing what other people feel about these opinions. And to kill time till queue is done.
whaddayathink?
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sableye
principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.16 23:24:00 -
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well it will force morepeople into 0.0 Ithink but to be honest I thinkits forcing more peopleout of the game even 0.0 people I know have pretty much quit over it or gone back to npc corps as they can;nt get a break from pvp anywhere I myself have beeninw ar with privateers for 4- 5 months now and it does get draining with no place to go and relax at all.
It also has hastend theuseof alt corps/haulers before alot had them now everyone needs one :)
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RedFall
Irreligion
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Posted - 2007.04.16 23:25:00 -
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The only thing I've noticed is that since the Privateers came around it's really hard to get some good immigrant placenta for my barbeque's. They just eat them all up.
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Nemesis God
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Posted - 2007.04.16 23:43:00 -
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Edited by: Nemesis God on 16/04/2007 23:39:57
it has simply resulted in lots more alts.
thats it.
A lot of ppl seem to go through the same process with the privateers:
[1] Yay, a war, now i can get some pew-pew in empire.
[2] mmmm, although we get the occasional good fight i cant dock in any hubs and I now have nowhere to relax.
[3] ffs, bloody privateers, guess id better make an alt and fly intys/shuttles everywhere.
ultimately the only thing the privateers are doing is filling out the NPC corps with our hauler pilots and lowering the number of targets they have.
For me whilst i wouldnt whine about the war-dec process (this is something for game devs to worry about not me), I find it ridiculous that everyone now has to log on to an alt w/e they want to move anything in empire.
Privateers = totally wasting everyones time.
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.16 23:56:00 -
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Edited by: Soporo on 16/04/2007 23:54:33
A permanent pirate / highsec gank / Complex griefing / n00b baiting / ore thieving / New Corp War Decc'ing presence in Empire has done a few things imo:
Trained many Empire people to act more sensibly and cautiously. There are exceptions, of course.
Aggravated new people who hadnt realized the extent of the ruthlessness of EVE.
Some leave, they tell 5 of their friends what a gank hell it is. 4 avoid EVE, the 5th thinks it sounds great and begins exploiting/metagaming/ganking with the rest of us.
A lot wish to go to 0.0, but many corp sp requirements prohibits this.
These things seem to underscore the divide between the vets and the rookies.
Restricted trade and promulgated the heavier use of alts. The fact that certain huge/slow/gankable targets now drop loot, exacerbates this.
Encouraged the use of exploits such as log-off by people who are unskilled/ outnumbered /outgunned /out shipped.
Ship / mod builders rejoyce.
Same ole, same ole in other words.
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Infinity MKII
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Posted - 2007.04.17 00:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Nemesis God
Edited by: Nemesis God on 16/04/2007 23:39:57
it has simply resulted in lots more alts.
thats it.
A lot of ppl seem to go through the same process with the privateers:
[1] Yay, a war, now i can get some pew-pew in empire.
[2] mmmm, although we get the occasional good fight i cant dock in any hubs and I now have nowhere to relax.
[3] ffs, bloody privateers, guess id better make an alt and fly intys/shuttles everywhere.
ultimately the only thing the privateers are doing is filling out the NPC corps with our hauler pilots and lowering the number of targets they have.
For me whilst i wouldnt whine about the war-dec process (this is something for game devs to worry about not me), I find it ridiculous that everyone now has to log on to an alt w/e they want to move anything in empire.
Privateers = totally wasting everyones time.
Be happy you have the ability to metagame your way out of your alliance when you need too. I think it'd be much better if you were forced to either a) get some courage and go into empire as yourself, b) get some alliance buddies in combat ships to protect alliance convoys c) Hire some non-alliance haulers to transport goods for you.
Unfortunately, people want to be in an alliance and get the benefits of that (0.0, blobbing, gatecamping, great ore and npcs etc) but still want to travel into dangerous territory like a soloer, with no support, because its easier.
So the reality is, by creating metagaming alts to transport your alliance characters goods and thus avoid the consequences of your actions, you are wasting the privateer time, rather then vice versa.
Infinity Ziona
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sableye
principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.17 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity MKII
Originally by: Nemesis God
Edited by: Nemesis God on 16/04/2007 23:39:57
it has simply resulted in lots more alts.
thats it.
A lot of ppl seem to go through the same process with the privateers:
[1] Yay, a war, now i can get some pew-pew in empire.
[2] mmmm, although we get the occasional good fight i cant dock in any hubs and I now have nowhere to relax.
[3] ffs, bloody privateers, guess id better make an alt and fly intys/shuttles everywhere.
ultimately the only thing the privateers are doing is filling out the NPC corps with our hauler pilots and lowering the number of targets they have.
For me whilst i wouldnt whine about the war-dec process (this is something for game devs to worry about not me), I find it ridiculous that everyone now has to log on to an alt w/e they want to move anything in empire.
Privateers = totally wasting everyones time.
Be happy you have the ability to metagame your way out of your alliance when you need too. I think it'd be much better if you were forced to either a) get some courage and go into empire as yourself, b) get some alliance buddies in combat ships to protect alliance convoys c) Hire some non-alliance haulers to transport goods for you.
Unfortunately, people want to be in an alliance and get the benefits of that (0.0, blobbing, gatecamping, great ore and npcs etc) but still want to travel into dangerous territory like a soloer, with no support, because its easier.
So the reality is, by creating metagaming alts to transport your alliance characters goods and thus avoid the consequences of your actions, you are wasting the privateer time, rather then vice versa.
Infinity Ziona
lol if we asked for escort for a da,hauler runwe'd be laughed at, empire is supposed to be safish which is why its called empire have 50 or so war declares goes against spirit of empire for me, i relaise thats its currently within game rules but there a reasona corp can only declare 3 wars and there reaons why corps donn;nt havelimit because it was work around other problems the devs never thought someoen would goto theselenghs to use up wars I'm sure.
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Devian 666
Ocean Dynamics
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.17 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity MKII
Originally by: Nemesis God
Edited by: Nemesis God on 16/04/2007 23:39:57
it has simply resulted in lots more alts.
thats it.
A lot of ppl seem to go through the same process with the privateers:
[1] Yay, a war, now i can get some pew-pew in empire.
[2] mmmm, although we get the occasional good fight i cant dock in any hubs and I now have nowhere to relax.
[3] ffs, bloody privateers, guess id better make an alt and fly intys/shuttles everywhere.
ultimately the only thing the privateers are doing is filling out the NPC corps with our hauler pilots and lowering the number of targets they have.
For me whilst i wouldnt whine about the war-dec process (this is something for game devs to worry about not me), I find it ridiculous that everyone now has to log on to an alt w/e they want to move anything in empire.
Privateers = totally wasting everyones time.
Be happy you have the ability to metagame your way out of your alliance when you need too. I think it'd be much better if you were forced to either a) get some courage and go into empire as yourself, b) get some alliance buddies in combat ships to protect alliance convoys c) Hire some non-alliance haulers to transport goods for you.
Unfortunately, people want to be in an alliance and get the benefits of that (0.0, blobbing, gatecamping, great ore and npcs etc) but still want to travel into dangerous territory like a soloer, with no support, because its easier.
So the reality is, by creating metagaming alts to transport your alliance characters goods and thus avoid the consequences of your actions, you are wasting the privateer time, rather then vice versa.
Infinity Ziona
I agree. When I joined my alt to the Privateers in the first few days it was a barrel load of fun. I remember heaps of ISS haulers flying around in empire on autopilot. Got a lot of pod kills from afk pilots.
There are an unfortunate number of people who do join alliances without gaining a basic understanding of game mechanics before joining.
The people leaving the game often haven't been playing it. For example one of my friends has been playing much longer than me. He was in a noob corp, flying a faction fitted hac and tried out some lvl 1 missions. He was quite impressed with the ship. He then joins an alliance and he was warned that they were at war. His understanding of wars is that they occur in low sec or 0.0 and left his hac at a gate in 0.5 space while he was afk. Once he got back to his computer his ship and pod with a full +4 set had been destroyed by the privateer alliance.
My friend has left the game and his leaving comment is that he spent a year training and saving to fly a hac and it was all wasted training. I pointed out to him that the training wasn't wasted as he actually needed experience playing the game.
The classic signs of a person who will leave the game when the privateers pew pew their ship.
* They mine to buy an uber ship; hac, cs or dread.
* They purchase a full set of implants then move out to low sec/0.0/join a war dec'd alliance.
* Have no experience in pvp.
* They believe that sp is everything and will win pvp everytime.
* They don't listen to advice from knowledgible players and refuse to learn how to play eve.
They aren't players they're subscribers.
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Thesas
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.04.17 00:43:00 -
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I am sure there are all kinds of reasons for the war situation to be as it is however nonsensical it seems to a new player. Suffice to say that some will choose to play the game on their own terms within their own little groups. NPC corps appears to be more than adequate and gangs work well in cooperative efforts.
I think the reality is that players will play on their own terms regardless of game mechanics. When game mechanics become an obstacle, then I highly doubt anyone will be forced into anything.
They say, come to the frontier. We offer multi million ISK ships with weapons lock upon you, gate camps to greet you, warp bubbles or some such fodder to ensnare you, come and visit us because we want to rifle through your belongings.
As alluring as that sounds, many will likely pass.
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Infinity MKII
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Posted - 2007.04.17 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: sableye
Originally by: Infinity MKII
Originally by: Nemesis God
Edited by: Nemesis God on 16/04/2007 23:39:57
it has simply resulted in lots more alts.
thats it.
A lot of ppl seem to go through the same process with the privateers:
[1] Yay, a war, now i can get some pew-pew in empire.
[2] mmmm, although we get the occasional good fight i cant dock in any hubs and I now have nowhere to relax.
[3] ffs, bloody privateers, guess id better make an alt and fly intys/shuttles everywhere.
ultimately the only thing the privateers are doing is filling out the NPC corps with our hauler pilots and lowering the number of targets they have.
For me whilst i wouldnt whine about the war-dec process (this is something for game devs to worry about not me), I find it ridiculous that everyone now has to log on to an alt w/e they want to move anything in empire.
Privateers = totally wasting everyones time.
Be happy you have the ability to metagame your way out of your alliance when you need too. I think it'd be much better if you were forced to either a) get some courage and go into empire as yourself, b) get some alliance buddies in combat ships to protect alliance convoys c) Hire some non-alliance haulers to transport goods for you.
Unfortunately, people want to be in an alliance and get the benefits of that (0.0, blobbing, gatecamping, great ore and npcs etc) but still want to travel into dangerous territory like a soloer, with no support, because its easier.
So the reality is, by creating metagaming alts to transport your alliance characters goods and thus avoid the consequences of your actions, you are wasting the privateer time, rather then vice versa.
Infinity Ziona
lol if we asked for escort for a da,hauler runwe'd be laughed at, empire is supposed to be safish which is why its called empire have 50 or so war declares goes against spirit of empire for me
And there we have the whole Privateers vs the wider EvE community problem, and its clearly the wider EvE community thats not getting it right. You basically have 'alliances' that laugh at their own members when they need protection, even though its dangerous, the thinking is 'its not supposed to be, npcs should protect us'.
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ProjectSeven
z3r0 Gravity
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.17 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Devian 666
Originally by: Infinity MKII
Originally by: Nemesis God
Edited by: Nemesis God on 16/04/2007 23:39:57
They aren't players they're subscribers.
I liked that, i'm gunna quote it! those are the ones that complain.
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.04.17 00:49:00 -
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a lot of ongame have this sort of mass PVP outfit going wow for example it was bound to infect eve at some point
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.04.17 00:57:00 -
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If your alliance is big enough to get hit by privs then you either a) deserve it for ****ing people off or b) you're big enough to take some 0.0 for yourself and shave your filthy carebear fur off. The end.
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Kiviar
Caldari
Dirty Sanchez Ltd
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Posted - 2007.04.17 01:29:00 -
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Impacts of Privateer Alliance?
Their greatest impact on eve I would say are the ten threads made every day complaining about them on the general boards.
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Nemesis God
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Posted - 2007.04.17 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity MKII
Be happy you have the ability to metagame your way out of your alliance when you need too.......
......So the reality is, by creating metagaming alts to transport your alliance characters goods and thus avoid the consequences of your actions, you are wasting the privateer time, rather then vice versa.
Infinity Ziona
alts are part of the game, in the same way station sitting and camping trade hubs during wars are part of the game.
Are you then suggesting that the privateers do not metagame?
The corps that leave to 'regroup' etc?
And if i am wasting their time (so also their ISK) i am extremely happy about that.
The sooner everyone gets an empire alt the better, it leaves the privateers needing to come to alliance/corp space for fights, which im sure almost everyone (except the privateers) would be really happy with. 
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hom3gr0wn
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Posted - 2007.04.17 01:52:00 -
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Well if people talk about this enough CCP will do something personally I think privateers need to grow a set of balls and acctually go after the people they are war deccing instead of using the lag from hub systems to get there kills...
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ProjectSeven
z3r0 Gravity
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.17 01:56:00 -
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dont flame them, this isnt that kinda thread.
Sorry but we already heard it about 40 times.
This thread is or well was suppose to be about how its impacting the game in the sense of market, populations, corporations... not the usual crap you guys b*ch about all day here.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2007.04.17 02:10:00 -
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I believe all the changes due to Privateers have been positive ones.
1) Highsec dwellers are much more security conscious, taking more precautions.
2) People are selling more at mini-hubs, rather than the standard Jita Rens etc.
3) 0.0 Alliances are staying more in 0.0
In general I am very happy with the direction Eve is taking.
The world is darker, but more vibrant.
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Infinity MKII
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Posted - 2007.04.17 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: Nemesis God
alts are part of the game, in the same way station sitting and camping trade hubs during wars are part of the game.
Alts are a part of the game, thats not being questioned. However you were whining that you were 'being forced to waste your time making alts' and I replied that you should be happy you can do so.
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ProjectSeven
z3r0 Gravity
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.17 02:14:00 -
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my sentiments (sp?) exactly.
theres all sorts of "mini hubs" popping up. Wouldn't that help smooth out the lag? And being in an alliance thats war dec'd by Priv, to avoid them i hang out in lower population "off the highways" kinda systems if i have to go to empire.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.04.17 03:39:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity MKII
You basically have 'alliances' that laugh at their own members when they need protection, even though its dangerous, the thinking is 'its not supposed to be, npcs should protect us'.
Huh? What players with enough SP think that ANY hauler is safe to fly anywhere when a war dec is on? Triply so for freighters.
Seriously, if you are in an alliance that laughs at the need for guards to escort their haulers you need to find a new alliance. Although these days the only real answer is to use ALT haulers in Empire and carriers in 0.0.
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Aille Pluthrak
Caldari
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.17 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: ProjectSeven
i hang out in lower population "off the highways" kinda systems
Me too. Well, most of the time.
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Lucky Lynn
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Posted - 2007.04.17 03:57:00 -
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I find it absolutely comical.
It was .0 ((blobbing) alliances that created the monster that is hurting them.
And now it is .0 alliances crying that that being hurt.
Seriously, STFU, and reep the whirlwind.
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Jonas Umbator
Beyond Divinity Inc
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.17 05:33:00 -
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I joined privateers knowing that this concept was really gonna stur some **** up. It's been interesting watching the social effects ripple across the community. We've certainly done something. But i think the only thing you can say immediately is that we strengthen the economy and fight inflation (wardec money disappears completely from economy). We've also put the alliances on a treadmill.
I dont want to drive players from this game but if people are getting so discouraged from losing one ship that they quit, they really are playing the wrong game.
From a personal perspective, it's helped save me from leaving EVE. I was a little bored and wanted more pvp but had always enjoyed empire wars since you have to hunt for your target and not just shoot anything that's in local. With this many targets, PvP can be just a 30min session instead of hours of flying in lonely 0.0 or lowsec. Somedays I cant play for that long and its good to be able to get in a little pvp immediately.
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Nyabinghi
Minmatar
Khumatari Holdings
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.04.17 06:14:00 -
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Just out of curiosity which are the "big bad Alliances"? Or are all 0.0 Alliances bad? Who are the ones causing so much strife to others in the game? Ushra Khan have been war dec'd a few times by the Privateers and yet we fight slavery, do not shoot neutrals, nor do we allow others to shoot neutrals in our space. So really I don't get it. Sure there are some very hostile Alliances, and some may be getting too big for their britches, but I don't see how all Alliances are a problem that the formation of the Privateers is necessary in order to knock us down a notch or two. I would hazard to guess that EVE's most powerful Alliances have felt almost no impact from the Privateers. However a lot of smaller corps have felt the impact quite severely.
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Countess NotFarOut2
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Posted - 2007.04.17 06:35:00 -
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Quote:
...but if people are getting so discouraged from losing one ship that they quit...
If you read correctly you will notice it usually is NOT the 1 ship losing, but the fact being constantly hunted. Some ppl don't like that. Saying: "That's EVE, love it or leave it" is a very short-sighted answer; as has been stated many times before EVE caters to more than ship-to-ship PvP.
Back on topic: I don't notice a fluctuation in prices, which can be traced back to Privateers. I wonder how the OP drwas those conclusions?
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.04.17 06:39:00 -
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more smaller corps, mission running outfits no more than 20-30 peeps
lots more NPC chracters even they not safe from my mission probing
low sec populations up slightly
higher turnover of carebears changing corps that get war dec'd good for recruitment but if u cop a dec and dont have strong PVPers depending on resulst and how u handle it members are moving around more frequiently
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Audemed
Wraiths Reborn
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.17 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: Nyabinghi
Just out of curiosity which are the "big bad Alliances"? Or are all 0.0 Alliances bad? Who are the ones causing so much strife to others in the game? Ushra Khan have been war dec'd a few times by the Privateers and yet we fight slavery, do not shoot neutrals, nor do we allow others to shoot neutrals in our space. So really I don't get it. Sure there are some very hostile Alliances, and some may be getting too big for their britches, but I don't see how all Alliances are a problem that the formation of the Privateers is necessary in order to knock us down a notch or two. I would hazard to guess that EVE's most powerful Alliances have felt almost no impact from the Privateers. However a lot of smaller corps have felt the impact quite severely.
Privateers usually does not work as a single organization. All the decs are funded by the member corps, who choose the wars on their own, for their own reasons. As the number we can buy are is currently unlimited(?), if even a single person has an axe to grind with an alliance, they can pay their 50 mil+ and get their dec.
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.04.17 07:08:00 -
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They allow all the little sheep and mice to run right into my elite ganks !
congratulations privateers !
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Xtreem
Gallente
Fire Mandrill
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.17 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: hom3gr0wn
Well if people talk about this enough CCP will do something personally I think privateers need to grow a set of balls and acctually go after the people they are war deccing instead of using the lag from hub systems to get there kills...
i would just like to point out that i stay clear of said hubs, infact i traveled though rens the other day and i got my ship ganked by a hostile allaince, i have not camped in jita for, like ever, as its so laggy its not fun.
don't forget when your in jita and you see 3 friendly and say 5 hostiles,,, those 5 hostiles see 4 friendys and about 100 hostiles, its actually more of a risk for them to be there.
I don;t gank in hubs, i hunt in outter empire, more fun and less gankage (thats not saying i wont shoot anything hostile regardless of ship, but goes both ways ill go for a bs the same as i go for a shuttle!!)
and the ironic thing, i know of at least 10 players in privateers at the moment that have mains/second mains in the very allainces they are fighting in privateers.
0.0 gives you camped somtimes blobbed entry systems, closed off to all but there own, i cant see how were doing any different, they make it difficult to get into there space, we make it difficult to enter empire.
love to all
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