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ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 09:12:00 - [1] It has gotten to the point that almost every other ship traveling through 0.0 has some sort of cloaking device, whether it be a t1 frig with a prototype cloak or a covops. I think it should be harder for cloakers, warping to a ss and cloaking should not be an "I win button", and there should be more advantages for a t2 cloak. A 90m t2 covops cloak should give you much more advantage than a 2m t1 prototype. T1 vs T2 T1 Drawbacks - 200% reduction for chance of being found by scan probes. (Reduces chances drastically, but allows for a determined and skilled prober to find you over time. - Warp systems calibration. ON top of the time required to recalibrate your sensors it should require time to recalibrate your navigation computer. This will make it so that people cant align while cloaked, then warp off almost instantly after uncloaking. T2 Enhancements. - Ability to use 'ship scanner' and 'cargo scanner' while cloaked. Sadly these mods are pretty much unused, and having knowing what your enemy is using could be of great tactical value. - No T1 penalties, cannot be found by scan probes, no warp calibration
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 09:33:00 - [2] Cloaks are currently a 'I-win' button for hiding in any system, and like any other thing in game they need a counter.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 09:52:00 - [3] Originally by: warpod Originally by: ghosttr Cloaks are currently a 'I-win' button for hiding in any system, and like any other thing in game they need a counter. Just have a good interceptor, so when target jumps in and cloaks ceptor moves nearby and decloaks it. Problem solved. Problem is that unless you gatecamp 23/7 you wont even see the guy come in. And once hes safespotted he is impossible to find.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 18:02:00 - [4] 0.0 should be dangerous at all times. And when your sitting cloaked in a ss you may aw well be sitting in an npc station, you can log off/on as much as you like and still cant be found, as long at you hit that cloak button as soon as your warp ends your safe. Cloaking needs a counter.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 18:11:00 - [5] Originally by: Vincent Gaines Originally by: ghosttr 0.0 should be dangerous at all times. And when your sitting cloaked in a ss you may aw well be sitting in an npc station, you can log off/on as much as you like and still cant be found, as long at you hit that cloak button as soon as your warp ends your safe. Cloaking needs a counter. so are you going to demand all NPC stations in eve be removed as well? Being safe in a station, and being safe in the middle of 0.0 are two completely different things, a cloak should never offer you the same safety as a station ever.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 18:18:00 - [6] Originally by: eXtas Originally by: ghosttr Originally by: Vincent Gaines Originally by: ghosttr 0.0 should be dangerous at all times. And when your sitting cloaked in a ss you may aw well be sitting in an npc station, you can log off/on as much as you like and still cant be found, as long at you hit that cloak button as soon as your warp ends your safe. Cloaking needs a counter. so are you going to demand all NPC stations in eve be removed as well? Being safe in a station, and being safe in the middle of 0.0 are two completely different things, a cloak should never offer you the same safety as a station ever. so sitting in a pos is diferent how? POSes can be found and destroyed.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 23:20:00 - [7] Originally by: Ethyn ...Cloaks are perfect right now, don't mess it up, becuase you can't kill someone who doesn't want to be killed. If we made everything so if you didn't want to die you wouldn't die, then we would be playing carebear online. If you want to be safe go to empire and join a noob corp besideas that Nobody should have be safe in 0.0, nobody.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.19 00:42:00 - [8] Originally by: Cadela Fria Originally by: ghosttr Originally by: Ethyn ...Cloaks are perfect right now, don't mess it up, becuase you can't kill someone who doesn't want to be killed. If we made everything so if you didn't want to die you wouldn't die, then we would be playing carebear online. If you want to be safe go to empire and join a noob corp besideas that Nobody should have be safe in 0.0, nobody. I'm sorry but thats just the worst argument I ever heard, you want to change cloaks because 0.0 shouldn't be safe for anybody? More thinking please, less blowing smoke out your behind please. Well Its been said many times that everything is supposed to have a counter. And currently being cloaked at a ss in 0.0 is as safe as being docked in an 1.0 empire station. If you warp it would be harder for people to find you, if you just sit there we should be able to, in tiome, find & pod your alts.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.19 01:28:00 - [9] Originally by: flaming phantom cloaking is not an i win button. it is fine how it is now. if anything a cloak makes things worse for u by the fact of how long it takes to target, and its other drawbacks With 2 weeks of training and 2m any alt can fit a cloak on his noobship and go park in any system. And in 0.0 wars intel is as powerful as any 50-man gank squad.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.19 02:41:00 - [10] IM talking about the cheap t1 cloaks, not t2 ones.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.19 03:30:00 - [11] Originally by: Ethan Hunte correct me if im wrong, but a cloaked ship cannot harm you, therefore, how is it I-WIN? Its like having a personal 1.0 npc outpost anywhere you can put a safespot. People used to log to save thier ass, now they just ss and cloak
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.19 05:38:00 - [12] Originally by: Bellannaer Oh noes, someone is using guerilla warfare to fight a large group with a small one, whatever will we do? Personally I think local should only show people that have used it in the last 15 minutes or so. This gives you the choice of guarding everything, keeping track of all your enemies, or accepting some losses. This isnt particulary about any conflit, rather just pointing out a tactic that is as near to exploit as nanophoons were. The devs nerfed nanophoons because nobody could catch them, and if ccp follows it own example cloaks on non-cloak specialised ships will get nerfed just like nanophoons.

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