Your post makes it sound like literally everyone has a cyno fitted, which just isn't the case at all in practice.

I have a simple solution, let the cyno field generator use 5000 liquid ozone instead of 1 for all ships but force recons.

Force recons get a 99% role bonus and cynos are fixed.

And why do you think that your taking of the bait is not an intended mechanic? Why should your elite solo PVP ship be guaranteed to kill my ratting boat if I took the precaution of fitting a cyno and having some guys around to drop on you?

so you just want to start hunting ratters with 0 risk. i get it now

Because that's not how the rest of game works.

You're ratting, it means that if I come in and I catch you off guard you die OR you bring in your cyno-roled ship to save your ass. Just like you could bring a Falcon to ECM me or whatever.

Ship have roles, some roles are weak against other roles and they all balance out the bigger the numbers.

Again, you missed the point.

Cynos are a powerful module,mechanic, weapon call it as you please. It's ridiculous it's not a specific role like ECM or Neuts or MFJD and so fort.

As for the bait matter, you can still bait, it's just gonna take more time to undock and warp the cyno ship or warp it from an offscan location.

I honestly don't know if this is a troll attempt or you're serious.

In case you are, the ratter can fit a point and call in friends the same, nothing changes and the risk remains.

ECM, neuts, tackle, disruptors, none of these are locked to specific hulls. I don't need to bring in a falcon to jam you, why should I need to bring in a cyno ship (I assume from your posts that you don't think they should be cloaky or have any kind of a tank) to drop the gang waiting just for you?

(I assume from your posts that you don't think they should be cloaky or have any kind of a tank)

A ratter with a cyno and gang in range is not caught off guard. In fact they are probably licking their lips when you enter local. Thats why you die to it and there is nothing wrong with that.

Let's take another example, Micro Jump Field Generator. That's a new mechanic, really strong too but it's locked to a specific hull.

Why do you think?

Because it would be silly if every ship could fit that thing.

That's how eve works man. Most ships can do everything, many ships can do 1 thing effectively, and couple of ships can do very unique and powerful things.

Cyno should go under the latter.



I have no idea how they should be. There are many factors to be considered and there are better and far more experienced people that can comment on that. I posted on forums because I think it's time to talk about this mechanic and change it maybe into something more fun, skillfull and specific than it is now.

I don't like cyno's much either, but it does seem like you just want to be able to know which ratters have cyno's and which ones you can 1v1 and stroke your e-peen. If the crux of your arguments is 'poor solo players', don't expect sympathy. This isn't a solo game.

A ratter with a cyno and gang in range is not caught off guard. In fact they are probably licking their lips when you enter local. Thats why you die to it and there is nothing wrong with that.

I don't like cyno's much either, but it does seem like you just want to be able to know which ratters have cyno's and which ones you can 1v1 and stroke your e-peen. If the crux of your arguments is 'poor solo players', don't expect sympathy. This isn't a solo game.

I think you could count all the single class locked modules on the fingers of one hand.

And my experience has been that they're lit at the first sign of trouble, promising a swift end to whatever PvP we might have otherwise engaged in.

[but that's just it odds are they are bait and would not be there other wise. you want to pvp when some one is bait counter drop. like i said it is easy to tell who is cyno fit by how and what they are flying and it is really easy to tell if you know they tend to fly as bait.


like here we saw a guy flying funny in a prot so just got a couple of relitivly new players into bombers and boom

but that's just it odds are they are bait and would not be there other wise. you want to pvp when some one is bait counter drop. like i said it is easy to tell who is cyno fit by how and what they are flying and it is really easy to tell if you know they tend to fly as bait.


like here we saw a guy flying funny in a prot we looked and saw he has cynoed for a panther before so just got a couple of relitivly new players into bombers and boom

I honestly don't know if this is a troll attempt or you're serious.

I over-exagerated but as I stated, as capitals are far more common than they were in the past the hotdropping got more frequent too.

As for the "educated guess" matter, I don't think you should guess, at all. You should guess what capitals may they bring, how many.

Why everything in this game has a specific role while cynos don't ? There's literally no reason why one of the most powerful weapons (or mechanics however you want to define it) can be used by a noob ship.

Cynos need to fall under a new, well thought and modern role fit for current day eve.

I never said I want fair fights. Matter of facts I solo a lot, fair is not what I want.

But my point is not that eve needs to be fair, my point is that Cynos, like all of the previous broken mechanics need to be reworked.

.... the cyno has rather large requirements to reach its potential you need a brige/jump capable ship to start.

You don't realize it but you're proving my point.

In the past that was true, it wasn't so common to stumble upon someone with a TItan and/or Capitals/Supercaps.

But now the game has changed, while cyno has stayed the same.

But now the game has changed, while cyno has stayed the same.

"They let you bring loads of stuff to a fight!" isn't proof they're broken, it's an intended ability of a Cyno. You'll need to provide evidence for why that's bad, creates bad gameplay, ect to prove that that's a bad thing about cynos.

So far you've done none of that.

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Sadly I can't / don't know how to give you exact data. I would love to because I know I'm right.

Why it's the cyno that needs to change and not your tactics/responses to the game mechanic.