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Gallixia
Capsule Corporation
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Posted - 2011.04.07 22:43:00 -
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Gallente faction warfare mission had to deal with a lot of jamming, so drone boats were needed, since the patch you can't even get a lock for long enough to get your drones moving.
Unlike high sec mission runners we are limited on ship types and fits, so eccm is difficult to fit, due to the nature and location of the mission. I have also heard a single eccm isnt enough, although i havent tried that myself yet.
So Gallente fw missions are now almost impossible.
Is this intentional, or just some horrible mistake. |
Mister Agreeable
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.04.07 22:56:00 -
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It's called fixing things that didn't need a fix aka CCP devs being ratarrded as usual. |
Christ0ph3r
Wicked Mojo
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Posted - 2011.04.07 23:29:00 -
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Yeah NPC ECM is crazy strong now. I'm suspecting it's not working as intended, but I could be wrong! |
dexington
Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.04.08 01:55:00 -
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Christ0ph3r wrote:Yeah NPC ECM is crazy strong now. I'm suspecting it's not working as intended, but I could be wrong!
I could not tell if the jamming was stronger, or the NPC AI just got "better" at using the ECM. To me it seemed like they no longer just used their ECM first chance they got, but waited until i no longer was jammed.
The change is very noticeable, in fights with +5 ecm ships i find myself jammed most of the time. Tryed one fight with +10 ecm ships, where i was looking at the jamming countdown bar for around 5 min before i could attack with my drones. |
Linis Erens
Proposition Thirteen
The Third Rail
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Posted - 2011.04.08 04:12:00 -
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Try doing the Assault (guristas) in a golem.
It's ridiculously slowwww. I ended up swappong out my target painters for 2 eccm grav modules, seems to reduce it enough, but killing stuff takes longer meh. |
Christ0ph3r
Wicked Mojo
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Posted - 2011.04.08 04:20:00 -
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Even doubling the sensor strength of a marauder is not nearly enough, I wouldn't even use one in missions with jamming Guristas anymore were I you  Could always use F.O.F. missles, but if you're using a Golem then you're probably running torps.
Next time I get it I'll try to see how one or more ECCMs work out on a CNR and post my experience here. |
Linis Erens
Proposition Thirteen
The Third Rail
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Posted - 2011.04.08 04:34:00 -
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well I've done the assault guristas twice today. once with no eccm gravs, once with 2 of them instead of tps. Jamming was dramatically reduced but killing stuff takes twice as long. So for now i'm killing the jammers, then warping out to get my tp's back. |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2011.04.08 08:53:00 -
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Damn I have been annoyed with Guristas I forgot about your poor Gallente FW chaps. This has got to terrible, I released they were a PITA for you before, I don't think this is going to do anything to improve plex warfare either.
No Gallente is going to try and stop a Caldari in a defensive plex when they have even less chance of getting a lock than before. |
Broegger
Zener Corp.
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Posted - 2011.04.08 09:02:00 -
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I was out mining in my Hulk last night when the belt spawns 3 little ECM frigs..
Those 3 little basterds had me locked for 10-15 minutes before i got a 1 second opening to let my drones on one of em.
i was pretty astounded how they could just permajam me like that...seems abit too much tbh.
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Carniflex
StarHunt
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.04.08 10:49:00 -
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It just seems CCP skipped Q&A altogehter for this patch. No way in hell would such ECM strenght skip notice if someone would actually try doing a mission with 3 ECM frigates present in my opinion. |
Zenislav Cervar
Bureau of Interstellar Exploration
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Posted - 2011.04.08 11:18:00 -
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hey all
Didn't want to make new forum post as your talking here about jamming so il just ask.
Today could not kill 6 mission ships (lvl 4 mission) because of perma jamming so could anyone point me by saying what are names of anti jamming items you call ECM? Im in game just for little bit over than 2 month so had no luck searching in EvEHQ as i actually dont know name for this fits.
Thanks all |
Carniflex
StarHunt
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.04.08 11:39:00 -
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Zenislav Cervar wrote:hey all
Didn't want to make new forum post as your talking here about jamming so il just ask.
Today could not kill 6 mission ships (lvl 4 mission) because of perma jamming so could anyone point me by saying what are names of anti jamming items you call ECM? Im in game just for little bit over than 2 month so had no luck searching in EvEHQ as i actually dont know name for this fits.
Thanks all
ECCM are the mods. When you are fitting them you want to get the ones that correspond to your sensor type. For example, if you fly Caldary then you have Gravimetric sensors so you will want Gravimetric ECCM mods. There is by the way several different varierites of these (low slot, mid slot and remote versions that you can activate on another ship). When fitting them note that they are stacking (i.e., fitting more than 3 of them is not that helpful).
However, according to reports released so far fitting them has only minimal effect on your jamming restance. There have been even reports of carriers being jammed for 10 minutes in row. A carrier sensor strenght without fitting ECCM is ~75 while your regular battleship is around third of that. . |
Zenislav Cervar
Bureau of Interstellar Exploration
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Posted - 2011.04.08 12:17:00 -
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Carniflex wrote: ECCM are the mods. When you are fitting them you want to get the ones that correspond to your sensor type. For example, if you fly Caldary then you have Gravimetric sensors so you will want Gravimetric ECCM mods.
Ah so as with hardeners i am fiting them depending on what rats are in mission but with ECCM i am fiting it depending on what im flying and not on what rats i am against.
Carniflex wrote: There is by the way several different varierites of these (low slot, mid slot and remote versions that you can activate on another ship). When fitting them note that they are stacking (i.e., fitting more than 3 of them is not that helpful).
Ok so as i cant afford mid slots il try to fit 1-2 low ones. But when checking low ones i notice this in description:
"A backup system which operates in conjunction with main array."
Does this mean i am required to have that mid slot fited for this one to work or its effect is counted on its own? Sorry i fail sometimes with english.
Carniflex wrote: However, according to reports released so far fitting them has only minimal effect on your jamming restance. There have been even reports of carriers being jammed for 10 minutes in row. A carrier sensor strength without fitting ECCM is ~75 while your regular battleship is around third of that. .
Hm thats what im afraid of. As I mentioned earlier i had 6 ship that used jamming. But well il try running few mission with this ECCM to see or even train for FoF missiles. But not sure that second is worth.
Anyways thanks on quick replay : )
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Chi Quan
Bibkor Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.04.08 12:42:00 -
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The description is (nonsensical) fluff. If it ups your sensor strength, it helps you against ECM. Period. |
Carniflex
StarHunt
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.04.08 14:35:00 -
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FoF is highly situational. In some missions it works ok, in some they are real pain to use. Main issue with FoF is that they go for the closest target and most structures in missions are considered targets. For example the "wall sections" or in worst case some fluff structures with few million hp with huge bounding box.
The best counter I know of is using multiple accounts. That way even if both are jammed you can release drones and put them on "guard" duty on another ship that makes them attack targets agressed on the guarded ship.
Using drones has some other problems ofc, like extra waves tending to go after them first or they going nuts sometimes and getting you concorded. Altho TBH it has been a while since I have had global criminal counter from nuts drones. Mainly as I have been steering clear of using drones in hi sec for past few years. Drones have one significant advantage however, they dont attack struructures usually on their own. |
Khamned
Frigatedible
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Posted - 2011.04.08 18:41:00 -
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last room in guristas extravaganza (not the bonus one) was extremely frustrating. had to get someone to tank room while i pick of the ecm battleships.
i tried 2 lows and 1 medium eccm on my setup, without compromising gank/tank, and i can hhonestly say i dont think it made any difference. i was permajammed. |
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