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SN3263827 The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.04.22 19:05:00 - [31] Edited by: SN3263827 on 22/04/2007 19:01:45 Originally by: Reep Mawr the screen shot is most prob a clone jumper ss as he left zstation No, I assure you I flew through Autaris, Vellaine, Alikara, New Caldari and Niyabainen _____________________________________________
iudex Caldari Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.22 19:07:00 - [32] If you kill police ships they respawn again. Was killing some navy ships in oursalert a week a go, then i saw some random gallente police ships at the station and engaged them. Worked well with a drake, killed the cruiser/bc-sized ships, when engaging the police dominix it made something like jamming, was not jamming though nor sensordampening but i couldnt target anything, so killed it with f.o.f missiles. Shortafter it respawned again. And yes, it was webbing and scrambling but did not deal enought dmg to break a drake's tank, but you cannot do anything when its on your back. And dont know but if the pirats will engage someone concord will come, right ? Concord guys are waaayy tougher
sbreach Gallente PezCo - Ice Services	Posted - 2007.04.22 19:11:00 - [33] Its a exploit? That seems rather unfair. If CCP wanted the faction police to be a 100% -5 is not allowed into high sec, they would be made as strong as concord. You could say you only wished to engage in concord sanctioned wars. Specially considering when you are in high sec you are heavily handy capped, no remote reppers or energy transfers as afaik it brings concordukken for supporting a pirate, and as said you can only engage war targets freely, otherwise you can only shoot who shoots you first. You could have a gang of 5 -5sthere but only the person who was being attacked could fire back if my knowledge serves me. I think a ban is incredibly rash and im assuming you've petitioned against it, i see nothing wrong with these methods. there is a whole lot more risk involved then other methods. I'm not really sure what to say as i thought coming into high sec to say hello was quite admiral considering the risks involved that any non war target you tackle and start attacking and there's no chance for support. I personally dont see any difference here to normal war decs or maybe something the privateers would do, except the privateers couldn't be shot by anyone around and be shot by someone who knows that who ever they shoot wont have support unles they want concord to say hi. Good luck getting this sorted, this seems totally wrong here.
SN3263827 The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.04.22 19:11:00 - [34] Originally by: iudex If you kill police ships they respawn again. I have only ever seen them re-agress after respawning once in dozens of incursions into high security space. Quote: And dont know but if the pirats will engage someone concord will come, right ? Concord guys are waaayy tougher Have you even read the thread? Really? _____________________________________________
iudex Caldari Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.22 19:21:00 - [35] Quote: And dont know but if the pirats will engage someone concord will come, right ? Concord guys are waaayy tougher Have you even read the thread? Really? Look at the thread headline, the op is concerned about pirates in highsec, so i just wanted to emphasize that if they start doing their jobs (pirating) its not only the faction police that will attack them, the pirate is not free to do what he likes. So leave me allone. And if you don't belive the respawn go and test it yourself before ranting. I did it and i tell what happened, not what i heard from somwhere or think or saw or blah blah.
SN3263827 The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.04.22 19:24:00 - [36] Originally by: iudux Originally by: SN3263827 Have you even read the thread? Really? Look at the thread headline, the op is concerned about pirates in highsec, so i just wanted to emphasize that if they start doing their jobs (pirating) its not only the faction police that will attack them, the pirate is not free to do what he likes. So leave me allone. And if you don't belive the respawn go and test it yourself before ranting. I did it and i tell what happened, not what i heard from somwhere or think or saw or blah blah. That would be a no then. If you'd read the thread, you'd know that the OP is my ex-corpmate. You'd also know that I HAVE tried it and only ONCE in dozens of instances did the police re-aggro after respawn. Your so-called test is invalid because you aggressed the police, not the other way round. _____________________________________________
KoriBaka	Posted - 2007.04.22 19:25:00 - [37] Edited by: KoriBaka on 22/04/2007 19:24:28 iudex, He was asking if you read the post as the OP answered as one of the pilots who was doing these incursions into high sec and got banned. which is said after my post as he was the second Domi pilot to SN which *****ed my poor BC open. (wow slack -sl + cr is a filtered word?) Im guessing they want to inquire on the rules on it as being banned for it is seriously harsh and misjudged. Don't think he was talking about the spawn he said he had this on rare occasions or so. BTW post with a alt
KoriBaka	Posted - 2007.04.22 19:27:00 - [38] Edited by: KoriBaka on 22/04/2007 19:23:46 I fail at editing. delete please
AdmiralWhitcomb	Posted - 2007.04.22 22:32:00 - [39] roflmao!!!! dude you must really want to make people think that you actually killed the faction police! if you look at the picture closely you ca see that the picture on the character sheet in the HUD and the picture in the open window are different! STOP.MAKING.STUFF.UP.
The Slayette	Posted - 2007.04.22 22:43:00 - [40] I have killed things in 0.5 as a pirate. Seriously. I needed to kill the faction police before I could do so. I could link you to my killboard but you wouldnt believe me, so im linking to the board of the person I KILLED. I know killmails arent usually allowed but this isnt a brag, its to prove a point. Killmail
SN3263827 The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.04.22 22:53:00 - [41] Originally by: AdmiralWhitcomb roflmao!!!! dude you must really want to make people think that you actually killed the faction police! if you look at the picture closely you ca see that the picture on the character sheet in the HUD and the picture in the open window are different! STOP.MAKING.STUFF.UP. You're right, all the videos I post on youtube are fake too. My entire e-life is a lie. _____________________________________________
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.04.23 20:01:00 - [42] Originally by: sbreach I still think this is the wrong decision but then it's CCP's game so it is their rules. Sad as i would say that is a very interesting and creative way to play the game. and what about all the people who have talked about entering high sec for quick pick ups or so. I feel sorry that a way of playing for you has been removed, (i dont think it says anywhere you should get instant concordukken for being a pirate in low sec). Me thinks pirates need some boosting. Considering its easier to just get high sec status and war dec people (well its limited now) in high sec and pirate them that way, Sad to see people trying alternative methods of killing players other than gate camping, ganking, tricking people into it and what not. I still think this is wrong. I would be spite fall and send every killmail you got from doing this and saying, we did this not knowing it was a exploit please fix it as we don't wish to be considered exploiters! I'm sure they will thank you for your dedication and willingness to uphold the rules! even if the rules are clearly stated, or sporadically inforced. That or they click the ban hammer button so best ignore that. I hope you find other more creative ways to go about your business and RPing. Or you'd get it through your head that CCP, despite their PvP focus in this game, really isn't tolerant with open PvP in high sec and those who try would get this through their heads after the numerous revamps to high security (Concord upgrades, flagging, wardec cost increases) and stick with the program of properly roleplaying a pirate without the moral qualms over having to trick someone into getting aggro. This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless...
SN3263827 The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.04.23 20:08:00 - [43] Originally by: Janu Hull Or you'd get it through your head that CCP, despite their PvP focus in this game, really isn't tolerant with open PvP in high sec and those who try would get this through their heads after the numerous revamps to high security (Concord upgrades, flagging, wardec cost increases) and stick with the program of properly roleplaying a pirate without the moral qualms over having to trick someone into getting aggro. "Properly roleplaying"? Could you please enlighten me as to how my character should act? I'd hate for him to do anything of which you personally disapprove. Perhaps you could create an in-game channel for us all to join so you can direct our actions more easily? How can you not see that raiding high security space is exactly what a pirate with declared disregard for the authority of the State would do? If it isn't intended for it to be possible then fair enough, if CCP make it clear that it shouldn't be possible I'm happy to abide by their rules, and will ensure that my corp members do the same (or get kicked). But don't tell me what the "proper" motivation and action of my character is. _____________________________________________ Free the Oimmo One!
sbreach Gallente PezCo - Ice Services Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.04.23 20:28:00 - [44] Edited by: sbreach on 23/04/2007 20:25:10 Edit for not reading the post properly. Whats the difference between a random corp war deccing someone and attacking? the difference is, with the pirates anyone can shoot them, they cannot use remote XXX on each other due to flagging rules. and that they have to engage faction police to be able to move around to fight war targets. So we got handicapped role playing pirates. War deccing people to fight in high sec will not end, it just wont happen in the same scale. When the corp I'm in was war decced we decided to have a small gang of 5 stay behind for a bit and have some fun. We saw (from cloaking on the gate) that they had to warp in engage the police and go off and such probably hunting other war targets, so when they left i had a gang form on the gate to try to attack one of them if they returned. Now as they are a Role playing pirate corp, and the fact what they are doing is almost privateers on ultra hard mode. privateers got nerfed, these got a ban? now if it was a case of pirates entering and being able to freely shoot anyone then yes id prey the nerf bat was swung and swung hard. And as part of a industrial corp, I like high sec to be safe but I also understand that no place should ever be 100% safe, cept stations they need to be safe ;_:. But until ccp give a 100% certainty and without conflicting messages from gm's its to early to say what CCP's view is. If they say its allowed its allowed if they ultimately say it isn't then it isn't and you can say your right. But no one can say for sure. specially since the responses given by gms are conflicting. But in my opinion and viewpoint trying to fight valid war targets in high sec with -5 sec status and dealing with the risks and dangers it brings is alot better than deccing 80 corps and having fun in high sec. sure its getting nerfed to the extreme now which is kind of sad but if they felt what you said they would of taken harsher and quicker action to that problem, so on that basis I think at least the ban was incredibly rash and at the most that this shouldn't be considered a exploit more a carebears best chance at killing a nasty pirate. as lets face it, you'll never have a easier chance killing a pirate with -10 when hes high sec. he can only defend himself and no one can help him.
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.04.23 20:52:00 - [45] Originally by: SN3263827 Originally by: Janu Hull Or you'd get it through your head that CCP, despite their PvP focus in this game, really isn't tolerant with open PvP in high sec and those who try would get this through their heads after the numerous revamps to high security (Concord upgrades, flagging, wardec cost increases) and stick with the program of properly roleplaying a pirate without the moral qualms over having to trick someone into getting aggro. "Properly roleplaying"? Could you please enlighten me as to how my character should act? I'd hate for him to do anything of which you personally disapprove. Perhaps you could create an in-game channel for us all to join so you can direct our actions more easily? How can you not see that raiding high security space is exactly what a pirate with declared disregard for the authority of the State would do? If it isn't intended for it to be possible then fair enough, if CCP make it clear that it shouldn't be possible I'm happy to abide by their rules, and will ensure that my corp members do the same (or get kicked). But don't tell me what the "proper" motivation and action of my character is. Ah, forget it. Do what you want. CCP isn't paying me to compensate for your malfunctioning clue-meter. Feel free to bash your head against their countermeasures to high sec piracy, get your ships nailed in enforced PvE and eventually face the ban stick. The more of you playing THAT stupid game, the fewer of you I have to dodge when I'm commuting through 0.0. This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless...
The Slayette	Posted - 2007.04.23 21:01:00 - [46] Originally by: Janu Hull Ah, forget it. Do what you want. CCP isn't paying me to compensate for your malfunctioning clue-meter. Feel free to bash your head against their countermeasures to high sec piracy, get your ships nailed in enforced PvE and eventually face the ban stick. The more of you playing THAT stupid game, the fewer of you I have to dodge when I'm commuting through 0.0. You know, it wouldnt be called "Piracy" if we stuck to some random 0.0 system. The whole point of pirates was that they robbed from people in "safe" waters, in patrolled waters, in places they shouldnt be and weren't expected. I dont see why pirates in Eve should be any different.
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.04.23 21:11:00 - [47] Originally by: The Slayette Originally by: Janu Hull Ah, forget it. Do what you want. CCP isn't paying me to compensate for your malfunctioning clue-meter. Feel free to bash your head against their countermeasures to high sec piracy, get your ships nailed in enforced PvE and eventually face the ban stick. The more of you playing THAT stupid game, the fewer of you I have to dodge when I'm commuting through 0.0. You know, it wouldnt be called "Piracy" if we stuck to some random 0.0 system. The whole point of pirates was that they robbed from people in "safe" waters, in patrolled waters, in places they shouldnt be and weren't expected. I dont see why pirates in Eve should be any different. I would suspect that the lowsec systems were CCP's compromise on that matter. Highsec is a training ground for rookie players and those who really aren't into the endgame, for whatever reason. While I understand and respect your opinion, the simple fact is, CCP is making it clear through their actions and reactions that while PvP is a central focus to the game, there are places they don't want people doing it except when someone is being genuinely stupid and fully deserving of it. Period. Some people aren't taking the hint, so the nerf bat keeps coming down on their head, and in some cases, the banstick is applied. You'd think that might trigger a survival response in people who are facing it, something like "ok, I get the point", but I'm not seeing it. On the one hand, I admire the stubbornness driving it, I put my other hand to my forehead over the bloody minded stupidity. This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless...
SN3263827 The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.04.23 21:51:00 - [48] Originally by: Janu Hull there are places they don't want people doing it except when someone is being genuinely stupid and fully deserving of it. Period. I'd say that someone attacking a -10 player is consenting to PVP, wouldn't you? The only people I can attack on these outings are people who shoot me first and War Targets. Both of which anyone can do. The only difference is that in the first instance Concord aren't involved, where they would be if two non-outlaws decided to duke it out. I don't know why you think me flashing red somehow makes it so I can attack in highsec with impunity. It doesn't. Get thee behind me, troll. _____________________________________________ Free the Oimmo One!
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.04.23 22:13:00 - [49] Edited by: Janu Hull on 23/04/2007 22:09:10 Originally by: SN3263827 Originally by: Janu Hull there are places they don't want people doing it except when someone is being genuinely stupid and fully deserving of it. Period. I'd say that someone attacking a -10 player is consenting to PVP, wouldn't you? Yup, safe to say, except that by game design, you shouldn't be in high sec to begin with. Spoofing the AI is as much an exploit as any other. This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless...
SN3263827 The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.04.23 22:18:00 - [50] Edited by: SN3263827 on 23/04/2007 22:15:10 Originally by: Janu Hull Yup, safe to say, except that by game design, you shouldn't be in high sec to begin with. What exactly are you basing this assumption on? I can't find anywhere that says I shouldn't be in high sec. I've found places that say I'll be attacked by faction police, but none that say I can't enter. In fact, I have messages from 2 distinct GMs saying that entering high sec is fine if you can find a way to evade or destroy the police. Quote: Spoofing the AI is as much an exploit as any other. Unless you're using a definition of "spoof" that is different to the one that normal English-speaking people use, that sentence makes no sense. I'd be happy to offer a rebuttal if I could just work out what you're trying to say. _____________________________________________ Free the Oimmo One!
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.24 08:13:00 - [51] Edited by: NightmareX on 24/04/2007 08:10:24 Originally by: Janu Hull Edited by: Janu Hull on 23/04/2007 22:09:10 Originally by: SN3263827 Originally by: Janu Hull there are places they don't want people doing it except when someone is being genuinely stupid and fully deserving of it. Period. I'd say that someone attacking a -10 player is consenting to PVP, wouldn't you? Yup, safe to say, except that by game design, you shouldn't be in high sec to begin with. Spoofing the AI is as much an exploit as any other. Where is it written that we can't enter empire? or is that the carebears are saying that because they are so fecking scared of us pirates or?. And we are pirates, we don't have rules, or we have some few rules to follow. One of the rules to follow is ransoms, and don't do mining. When we are moving from place to place, we have to go via high sec systems to be able to get to a new region in most cases. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.04.24 08:21:00 - [52] If the empire dwellers yell and scream loud enough on the forums CCP has shown time and time again they will strike a balance
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.24 08:28:00 - [53] i suggest chribba jump-clones to 0.4 and does some pirating then jump-clones back to his dread and takes them all on:) -------------------- My sig was stolen from some website.. leet! The true Industrial capital ship!
The Slayette	Posted - 2007.04.24 08:45:00 - [54] I'm not too bothered about the illegality of the act, if its not allowed fair enough. I just wish that the GM had just said "naughty naughty" instead of handing down an official warning and temp ban on an issue where there is so much confusion.
SN3263827 The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.04.24 15:34:00 - [55] Originally by: The Slayette I just wish that the GM had just said "naughty naughty" instead of handing down an official warning and temp ban on an issue where there is so much confusion. Exactly. I have messages from both a GM and a Senior GM both saying it is OK to evade or destroy the police to move through hi-sec, and that engaging war targets or defending yourself against aggressors while there is also OK. Why the ban for something even the GMs can't even agree is an exploit? _____________________________________________ Free the Oimmo One!
WredStorm Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.04.24 17:25:00 - [56] As a complete carebear, I have no problems at all with "pirates" (i.e.: someone with -5 or lower security standing) being able to enter high-security space. I know they can't attack me without getting Concordiconked very shortly thereafter. Can they still suicide gank me (or others)? Sure... that is all part of high-security simply being "high-security" and not "guaranteed security". I still think some aspects of suicide ganking need to be fixed -- most notably the fact that insurance is paid out to the gankers even when Concord is the one destroying their ship -- but I'd not want to see the potential for suicide ganking to be eliminated completely. If you want safety, fly bigger ships or ones with better tanks that can last longer against the gankers (and thus require more gankers to be organized and working together in order to take you down). Wred ----- Think out of the box, consider passive shield tanking your Myrmidon, you'll be pleasantly surprised!
The Slayette	Posted - 2007.04.24 18:59:00 - [57] Another GM on the case now, hopefully get this sorted soon :( My three day ban is nearly over, but i've lost three days of skill training and have that big horrible "EXPLOITER" mark on my account still :(
IRS Informant Income Redistribution Service	Posted - 2007.04.24 19:05:00 - [58] I'm still somewhat confused as to why CCP (or at least some CCP staff) would consider pirates in hi-sec being an exploit.. The only thing a -5 can do in hi-sec that nobody else can do is inherently blink red.. That's it.. You're still held to the same Concord hi-sec attack rules.. If anything, you're more vulnerable in hi-sec, since you can't shoot first and everybody can attack you.. It just makes no sense how this could be an exploit..
SN3263827 The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.04.24 19:07:00 - [59] Originally by: WredStorm Can they still suicide gank me (or others)? Sure... Hey Wred, haven't seen you about in a while Just to clarify - we don't suicide gank. We went to hi-sec purely to pursue war targets. _____________________________________________ Free the Oimmo One!
Whoozyer Daddy	Posted - 2007.04.24 19:32:00 - [60] I see in this thread that people say -10 can sit at a gate in 1.0 unmolested... Likely very true, once they kill the gate cops, if CONCORD does not show up to autoPWN them. You say that, should 10 of them do this, they're 10 individuals and you can engage them freely, one at a time, and only that one can shoot back at you. Well, this would be true, under most circumstances... except 1. If they're allies and you try to pick 1 of them off, all 10 will BBQ you without CONCORD involvment. If they're in the same corp (perhaps alliance) and you initiate combat against 1 you get hostile flag to all 10 and, well, you know the results of that...

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