Don't use the trade window. Use contracts. General rule of thumb: if it involves the trade window, it is a scam. Also, if it is that easy to make isk from, it is a scam.

Now, I know you are going to say "no, you dolt, that is not the issue here. The issue is that the trade window UI is poorly designed grrrrrrr." You are exactly right. So do yourself a favor and never use it again unless you are trading stuff between your own characters. Even then, use extreme caution. Scamming is part of the game. Lesson learned. And no, CCP will probably do nothing to change it.

I agree with you, but you underestimate how sadistic CCP is. Also, I think it's fairly obvious how easy it is to abuse the trade window. This is the wrong place to post this kind of thing. The locals in here will flame you incessantly.

If you seriously want to complain to CCP about this and start a grassroots movement, post something in the "Features & Ideas Discussion" area. C&P is where villains are praised and victims are laughed at.

So never use the market either?

i fail to see what you're getting at, perhaps you can explain what is obviously a clever jab

In the first place- this was bad UI design and programming. I belive that in begining CCP did not have time and resources to fix all such things, even if they wanted to.

But with time, all similar scams became important part of EVE iniverse, and overall gaming experince, and it is highly unlikely CCP will ever change it.

There are always people that will enjoy ripping off noobs in such manner, and there will always be noobs who will fall for it at least once.

If you are evil enough, you will try to do it yourself to some poor rookie.

Working as intended. The ships don't even have the same skins. You are the problem... Next time right click show info. Welcome to Eve.

Protip>Don't read Jita local until you been playing 4 years

While sitting in station tonight i recieved an eve mail from some one named Tyrone Bigams regarding him wanting to sell a few shiny ships at significantly reduced cost. right from the start it was obvious something was up, but i decided to see what he was trying to pull and contacted him saying i'd buy a couple of his ships for resale purposes. he opens up trade menu and to my surprise it seamed nothing was wrong, two vexor navy issues and a dominix navy issue were put into the trade menu like he said. so i traded him the isk and hit accept. after the trade is completed i try to put them into the market and resell them only to find that the ships were simply named after their shiny counterparts and that i'd lost a sizable amount of money due to a pathetically programmed trade window. i'm wondering if this system was intentionally designed to be taken advantage of by scamming garbage or if it was just a happy accident. a trade system that allows players to rename the items whatever they like and have it be displayed that way in the trade menu is absolutely ridiculous. if an item is going to be traded it needs to display the actual name of the item in the trade menu, otherwise every single new player is going to fall for this at least once unless they're lucky enough to be warned about the trade systems inadequacies ahead of time. so, eve eve community, i ask you this: how do you feel with such a poorly designed trade system? are you happy with it?

i understood this but was really having trouble finding a place to post this, and the "inform people of the latest scam" description seemed to fit this issue the best. even their forums are poorly done it seems.

a trade window not properly displaying the names of the items is the problem, not the person using it. i shouldn't have to carefully scrutinize everything put into the window and STILL be paranoid about using it. i am not the problem, the overly exploited trade window is. as for the skins comment i suppose that would be something a more experienced player would catch, but as i said this more refers to newer players like myself who don't even fly shinies.

There is a real life modification that allows a Toyota mr2 to look like q defeating (testarossa?), the owner can the chose to sell it as such, you are the moronic customer that chose not to research into your product because you thought you were getting an exceptional deal. Right click, show info for a reason

In real life, there are consequences for misrepresenting a product. If you list it as something it isn't you've committed fraud and can be in serious trouble.

Eve isn't real life, and we shouldn't be trying to emulate this boring world.

In real life, there are consequences for misrepresenting a product. If you list it as something it isn't you've committed fraud and can be in serious trouble.

Eve isn't real life, and we shouldn't be trying to emulate this boring world.

While sitting in station tonight i recieved an eve mail from some one named Tyrone Bigams

right from the start it was obvious something was up,

i'd buy a couple of his ships for resale purposes.

As is murder on the epic scale that is PVP in eve, going to lock them all up for life too?

If there were consequences IRL for misrepresentation then every politician in every country in the world would be in big trouble.

I think you completely misunderstood my point.

IN REAL LIFE, there are consequences...EVE ISN'T REAL LIFE...

See it now?

a trade window not properly displaying the names of the items is the problem, not the person using it. i shouldn't have to carefully scrutinize everything put into the window and STILL be paranoid about using it. i am not the problem, the overly exploited trade window is. as for the skins comment i suppose that would be something a more experienced player would catch, but as i said this more refers to newer players like myself who don't even fly shinies.

the general purpose of this post was to let let people know about some obviously messed up things with the trade menu. i personally will never use it again. but a game that has a system you should never use for fear of getting scammed shouldn't have the system in the first place. either fix it or remove it. don't leave it there for people to take advantage of.

Market PvP and Scamming are a part of the Game Mechanics put into it by CCP.

This is absoloutely legit.

Had you right clicked on those icons in the Trade Window, you would have seen what they really are.

Sorry, but YOU screwed up.

Game is indeed working as intended.

a trade window not properly displaying the names of the items is the problem, not the person using it. i shouldn't have to carefully scrutinize everything put into the window and STILL be paranoid about using it. i am not the problem, the overly exploited trade window is. as for the skins comment i suppose that would be something a more experienced player would catch, but as i said this more refers to newer players like myself who don't even fly shinies.

Those things displayed exactly what the items were named. Your fault for not being able to distinguish what the item type was...the names were perfectly displayed without error.

WARNING, NAMES ON ITEMS IN TRADE WINDOW CAN BE CHANGED TO MISREAPRESENT WHAT ITEMS ARE BEING TRADED.

Would end these scams. Its kind of a crap move on the part of CCP as is leave new players vulnerable to such scams which no veteran familiar with the differences in the way EvE functions would ever fall for.

the general purpose of this post was to let let people know about some obviously messed up things with the trade menu. i personally will never use it again. but a game that has a system you should never use for fear of getting scammed shouldn't have the system in the first place. either fix it or remove it. don't leave it there for people to take advantage of.

of course i made a mistake, there were ways to verify the information. but unfortunately i made the reasonable assumption and apparent mistake of trusting CCP to design a trade window that would display accurate information. i don't see a problem with making that assumption either.

i really fail to see how a trade window that is able to blatantly misrepresent items and essentially LIE to those using it is my fault. at all. of course there were ways to verify that it was the right ship, such as skin tags and show info. but it should not have been necessary for me to do any of those things in the first place and i did not think to do them based on the assumption that the trade window would display accurate information in the first place. i don't think that is unreasonable.

I want CCP to make stuff require as few effort as possible.

Working as intended. The ships don't even have the same skins. You are the problem... Next time right click show info. Welcome to Eve.

Protip>Don't read Jita local until you been playing 4 years

Issue here is more so lack of CCP giving proper guidance in using a trade system such as this. Scams like these work not because of stupidity or greed on a buyers part as so many suggest but the fact that this system is not consistent. Every single other MMORPG out there does not allow such things as well as many non-MMORPG's that allow trading of items.

This scam is made possible by this fact and this fact alone. New players believe that trade works in EvE as it does everywhere else and thus assume that the trade window represents what is being traded.

A simple pop up that reads.

WARNING, NAMES ON ITEMS IN TRADE WINDOW CAN BE CHANGED TO MISREAPRESENT WHAT ITEMS ARE BEING TRADED.

Would end these scams. Its kind of a crap move on the part of CCP as is leave new players vulnerable to such scams which no veteran familiar with the differences in the way EvE functions would ever fall for.

Be advised there are a lot of different scams even on the market. One of which involves placing buy orders that can't be filled getting those unfamiliar with the market system to purchase large volumes of items to resell. So if you plan to buy low sell high watch for that.

You've got to be American.

check your facts, i think you'll find that when you right click info it will come up with navy vexor and navy domi infos ;)

op dont ever buy a ship in trade window if it's not packaged, they will tell you anything so they dont repackage it- it's rigged cant/wont repackage it will lower it's value etc. also navy ships have a green triangle in to top corner of the picture.

I made a diagram showing how dumb you have to be to fall for this obvious trick.

http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/ladyspank/urdumb.jpg

I have a charon for sale for only 600 million isk. Just open a trade window with me and make sure you accept it quickly.

Hey, wait a minute, I'm American.

I made a diagram showing how dumb you have to be to fall for this obvious trick.

http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/ladyspank/urdumb.jpg

Thank you! I have always been wondering how this scam worked. I thought any sane person would right-click > show info. I'll make sure not to abuse this money prin... scam too much.

I made a diagram showing how dumb you have to be to fall for this obvious trick.

http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/ladyspank/urdumb.jpg

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they were named something other than what they were, and displaying the improper name, therefore they were labeled as something other than what the item actually was. improper labeling of items in a trade window is not acceptable