They retained stuff like 5 inch guns for example because firing a 12+ inch gun at a torpedo boat is an exercise in futility.

Grappler has to be the best thing added to this game in a long time. Can you belive what would of happened if ppl convinced ccp to let them get effected by links and hull bonuses?

Nerf the t3s and no change is needed in battleship ehp

I'll agree BS need a HP buff to make them better than T3 cruisers

Yeah, SoonGäó.

Yeah, but that was a bit different and less blatantly broken to some players. After all it's harder to see that the guy who just murdered you had a boosting alt hanging out 50 AU away, but it's really obvious when a T3D just spontaneously disassembled your ship for the third time tonight.

Plus we've already seen a couple of attempts at reigning in T3Ds where as the OGB change was talked about for years without anything being done in terms of an active change that most players saw (a few small scale tests being mostly out of sight and not widely talked about).

Most of the argument, both around the T3D focus group and elsewhere, has been focused on how to tweak T3Ds and T3Cs, not on whether or not they're over powered.

And if that's not the first thing CCP removed when they were discussing the rebalance of the class I'll be shocked... you can't even claim that it's much of a time loss anymore since you can inject it back.

Not sure if this thread is about battleships or T3's rebalance. I understand T3's need a rebalance but don't really feel that is why people don't fly battleships solo in lowsec.

I have a hype and Domi fit up but they gather dust, I feel this is more to due with align times, warp speed and lack of targets I may be tempted to use them locally but a fifteen jump roam is probably not going to happen.

Back to the OP, the first question is should a battleship be able to face that scenario, one player fighting four or five others is hard to balance for.

Is this more about general balancing rather than new modules.

I expect certain battleships to have a chance in that situation namely Domi, Hype, Geddon, typhoon maybe.

These ships have extensive drone bays and spare highslots or are known to mix highslots, even when you consider point defence options the hype actually has a missile hardpoint you could fit a RLML in.

Rebalancing so all battleships to have spare 25m3 bay or at least one spare high slot is an option but then making all battleships essentially the same may make for a more dull range of ships. Some are clearly designed for solo small gang and others for more fleet style full rack of guns and max ehp.

If you fit for tank and DPS i.e top tier guns for anti battleship work then should you be able to fight smaller ships ? Rebalancing the lower tier weapons may be an option and forces some sacrifice in fit choices.

As for EHP, again on cruisers and frigates they elect to sacrifice larger guns for more tank, 1600mm plate power grid usage however does not really require this. A 2400mm option using a couple thousand power grid or more may buff EHP while still requiring choices. Still not sure higher EHP battleships would make for more fun gameplay.

Yup, which is why I'm pretty sure they're going to remove it. It was meant to be a big penalty that would dissuade use of the ships and it absolutely didn't work because there are thousands of players with enough SP that they just don't care about losing a few hundred thousand SP every weekend.



Don't forget the cherry on top which is that they can do all that and bring about 70% of the utility of a specialist Cruiser at the same time for fairly little trade-off in the other attributes in most cases.

What about marauders? I would think they would get more ehp and dps than t3s.

In Battleship Combat you have no idea what the enemy will bring. Same as with the Missouri in the real world.

A 1000 DPS ship that only hits 60% of the time is a 600 DPS ship in reality. Basic math.

Vindi with 3 webs, 4 Blasters, & 4 Rails, is... unexpected. Unexpected is good.

Missing 40% of the time is how you end up dead. Spreadsheets are not gods.

Roaming alone is usually a bad plan.

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Can you fit a Cat-flap to a Battleship? Asking for a co-pilot.

I still can't understand this picture. What does "generalization" mean exactly? It would make more sense if we would replace it with "flexibility" for example.
Also, did T3s ever follow this concept? Mabe not only the T3 ships are broken, but also the rule we're trying to make them follow.

Don't forget that BS-sized drone boat is already taken by any Gallente, Guristas, or SOE Battleship.