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Mikkir
Freelance Mining Company
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Posted - 2017.02.02 05:02:23 -
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Just curious, what are the worst battleships in the game right now?
I get some ships are niche ships, like the rokh being a fleet ship, but which ones are just terrible? |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
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Posted - 2017.02.02 05:24:54 -
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Worst for what exactly?
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Mikkir
Freelance Mining Company
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Posted - 2017.02.02 05:37:35 -
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I was thinking about which ship fails to fill any niche, but I've been away from the game for a while so I don't have the feeling for it I use to have. I know the tempest use to be considered pretty poor, not sure if the rate of fire bonus made made it more popular. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
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Posted - 2017.02.02 06:31:53 -
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I don't think there are necessarily any bad battleships, but if we're talking PvE missioning I would be very hesitant to use any of the T1s like the Rokh, Tempest, Abbadon, Scorpion, etc. Pirate Faction hulls have come down substantially in price and will literally outperform most if not all Navy battleships as well. As you pointed out, some of these ships are better-suited for PvP and fleet combat.
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Boozbaz
Brutor Clan
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Posted - 2017.02.02 07:48:33 -
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Tempest Fleet issue is bad value. The vanilla tempest has better bonuses than the fleet issue. |
YeuxVerts Belle
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.02.02 08:23:56 -
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Boozbaz wrote:Tempest Fleet issue is bad value. The vanilla tempest has better bonuses than the fleet issue.
Does that make it a bad ship?
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Andrew Indy
Jedran Space Services
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Posted - 2017.02.02 09:03:49 -
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YeuxVerts Belle wrote:Boozbaz wrote:Tempest Fleet issue is bad value. The vanilla tempest has better bonuses than the fleet issue. Does that make it a bad ship?
Well it has more Tank, an extra low slot and an extra flight of lights , but has less DPS (2.5% per level). So its better in several ways but also twice the price.
For a few extra isk (tens of mil) you can get a Mach, Pretty much a Fleet tempest that swaps a free high for an extra gun (more DPS), gets even more drones, more speed, faster warp, faster align and better range.
The main issue is that Pirate BPCs have come down in price too much due to farming. Not that long ago a Pirate BS was 1Bil which made the progression fine. |
Gregorius Goldstein
Ze One Man Show
1864
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Posted - 2017.02.02 09:41:49 -
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The Rokh seems to be a bit lackluster to me. That it is used with smartbombs most of the time is a bit sad. |
Wolfgang Jannesen
The Evesploratory Society
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Posted - 2017.02.02 13:16:02 -
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I actually get great use out of the Rokh with a MJD and rails. I'm not a fan of the Apocalypse, or maybe any T1 amarr battleship. Armour tanks are always very slow active tanks and it feels like trying to juggle enough capacitor, two reps, and still finding Scorch isn't as effective as I'd hoped it would be compared to even Barrage in large AC's.
Paladin is a beast but it was a breeze fitting a cap stable dual rep tank on that golden God |
elitatwo
Dicker Quick and Hyde Defense Attorneys O.U.Z.O. Alliance
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Posted - 2017.02.02 19:50:36 -
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Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:I actually get great use out of the Rokh with a MJD and rails. I'm not a fan of the Apocalypse, or maybe any T1 amarr battleship. Armour tanks are always very slow active tanks and it feels like trying to juggle enough capacitor, two reps, and still finding Scorch isn't as effective as I'd hoped it would be compared to even Barrage in large AC's.
Paladin is a beast but it was a breeze fitting a cap stable dual rep tank on that golden God
Rokh + 500mn mwd goes 832m/s
Apocalypse + 500mn mwd goes 1077m/s
Please elaborate what your perception of "slow armor battleship" means and someone please explain why someone would put 3x 1600mm armor plates on a kiting ship?
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aldhura
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.02.02 22:02:00 -
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elitatwo wrote:Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:I actually get great use out of the Rokh with a MJD and rails. I'm not a fan of the Apocalypse, or maybe any T1 amarr battleship. Armour tanks are always very slow active tanks and it feels like trying to juggle enough capacitor, two reps, and still finding Scorch isn't as effective as I'd hoped it would be compared to even Barrage in large AC's.
Paladin is a beast but it was a breeze fitting a cap stable dual rep tank on that golden God Rokh + 500mn mwd goes 832m/s Apocalypse + 500mn mwd goes 1077m/s Please elaborate what your perception of "slow armor battleship" means and someone please explain why someone would put 3x 1600mm armor plates on a kiting ship?
It slows it down so its easier to fly around corners otherwise it would flip over
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2017.02.02 22:07:35 -
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Not to mention that the Naga completely over takes the Rohk as a rail sniper. Faster, better sensor strength, and better damage
#DeleteTheWeak
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Wolfgang Jannesen
The Evesploratory Society
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Posted - 2017.02.03 00:25:22 -
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elitatwo wrote:Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:I actually get great use out of the Rokh with a MJD and rails. I'm not a fan of the Apocalypse, or maybe any T1 amarr battleship. Armour tanks are always very slow active tanks and it feels like trying to juggle enough capacitor, two reps, and still finding Scorch isn't as effective as I'd hoped it would be compared to even Barrage in large AC's.
Paladin is a beast but it was a breeze fitting a cap stable dual rep tank on that golden God Rokh + 500mn mwd goes 832m/s Apocalypse + 500mn mwd goes 1077m/s Please elaborate what your perception of "slow armor battleship" means and someone please explain why someone would put 3x 1600mm armor plates on a kiting ship?
You've got me confused, I meant Large Armor Reps vs Large or X-Large shield boosters have a much longer activation time. I like dual armor repair tanks I just have a tough time fitting the Apocalypse for fights below 100km the same way I would other armor tanked ships. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
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Posted - 2017.02.03 12:16:39 -
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elitatwo wrote:Please elaborate what your perception of "slow armor battleship" means and someone please explain why someone would put 3x 1600mm armor plates on a kiting ship? I think he meant the armor repair cycle time vs. shield booster recharge time. You totally lost me with the three 1600mm armor plates, though...
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Gregorius Goldstein
Ze One Man Show
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Posted - 2017.02.03 12:17:27 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Not to mention that the Naga completely over takes the Rohk as a rail sniper. Faster, better sensor strength, and better damage
I guess THAT is the biggest problem that the Rokh has. The resistance bonus is great for tanking stuff and the range bonus is great for kiting stuff. Two OK bonuses but for two different tactics. And if you go for blasters there are better battleships in the Galente line. Now if the Rokh had a range and a tracking bonus, that would be a nice combo. (But in that case range + tracking on the Naga and range + damage on the Rokh would be even better?) |
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
1109
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Posted - 2017.02.03 14:56:52 -
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Caldari rokh Amarr abbadon Gallete hyperion Minmatar tempest fleet
Just my view of current worst
Give rokh more bandwith and drone bay so it is more of a battleship and sniper second. Tanky ships don't hold high value in my books Fleet tempest is left in the dust when t1 tempest got dmg buff it's less than mediocre. You want dmg go tempest,you want better all go machariel you want none of that go fleet tempest.
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Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2017.02.03 15:12:55 -
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A better question is just- what battleships see the least use at any given type of content?
Considering the number of threads here asking what is best, you can probably deduce the least popular ones from their absence on that list.
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
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Posted - 2017.02.03 19:34:07 -
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Alaric Faelen wrote:A better question is just- what battleships see the least use at any given type of content? Raven State Issue.
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Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
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Posted - 2017.02.03 21:23:39 -
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Mikkir wrote:Just curious, what are the worst battleships in the game right now?
I get some ships are niche ships, like the rokh being a fleet ship, but which ones are just terrible?
The Rokh is DANK as a mining ship, I have one just for that, it's beautiful to see her doing that, plus the skins for the Rokh are cheap.
Apart from that, yeah no FC I know want it in any situation except smartbombing gates.
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2017.02.03 22:35:46 -
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Mina Sebiestar wrote:Caldari rokh Amarr abbadon Gallete hyperion Minmatar tempest fleet
Just my view of current worst
Give rokh more bandwith and drone bay so it is more of a battleship and sniper second. Tanky ships don't hold high value in my books Fleet tempest is left in the dust when t1 tempest got dmg buff it's less than mediocre. You want dmg go tempest,you want better all go machariel you want none of that(but pay as much) go fleet tempest.
I would disagree with the Hype being a bad ship. Dual repped, and triple repped hypes are extremely powerful. With a 3% PwG implant, you can run Ion's, heavy neut, Gecko's, and all the other furnishing of a standard triple repped hype but with 1000DPS.
On a fair 1v1 encounter with any of the other T1 battleships, the only real problem a hype would have troubles deal with would be a Geddon or a typhoon.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
1109
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Posted - 2017.02.04 02:41:32 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:[Mina Sebiestar]
Oh its not a bad ship at all i don't think Gallente battleship lineup have bad ships it was just a toss up for me in between t1 mega or hype whose last on the list hype ended there.
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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
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Posted - 2017.02.04 18:10:35 -
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Generally speaking, I always felt that the Caldari line up of BS was week for PvP. I have flown them all, and I think they have the highest probability to lose a fight.
The Scorpion: A BS sized ECM ship. It does have the ability to spam in Cruise missiles, but being out of point range, it can't actually get many kills. More of a helper in that respect. As for the ECM part, it can't cloak, and it moves slow. I never lost a Falcon, but I did lose every Scorp I ever owned. I will add, Scorps are cheaper to lose. Disposable in a sense.
The Raven: Typically is a first BS that new combat pilots will fly. They can do *ok* but this reputation alone will get the Raven primaried a lot. If you want to be the last ship on the field after a big fight, you probably will NOT be flying a Raven. Great DPS though and a decent drone bay. Not terrible tank, but def not the *best*.
The Rokh: A great doctrine ship with the snipeing ability. Up close, as a blaster boat, Mega is faster, has more DPS, and can tank as good or better. Mega and other ships, will have a better drone bay and more possible utility options. Price makes the Mega a far better choice for the same fight.
Again, I've flown them all, and I'd do it again, but a well thought out fleet/plan would leave these ships in the hanger.
I will admit, most of my fleet/plans aren't well thought out. Many times it's just "grab something and let's go" |
Mikkir
Freelance Mining Company
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Posted - 2017.02.05 05:00:09 -
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Thanks for all the replies.
I was thinking some of the battleships were meh, but wanted to see what you all thought.
I was thinking that the fleet tempest was meh, simply because it used the old tempest formula. I'm surprised that the fleet phoon didn't make the list, because it seems expensive for average, but apparently people like it. Other things that caught my eye were the navy domi, it has good DPS on paper but I thought it was a bit odd with bonuses.
Suprised to see the rokh, it use to be a reasonable fleet ship just because of extra range and tank bonus, but I guess it has fallen off. Also suprised that the abaddon wasn't listed more, I haven't found what I think is a great fit on it, but I guess someone likes it. Apparently the nester has found a niche, which is nice to see, but I also have no idea what that niche is. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.02.05 07:41:26 -
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Scorpion not all that much it can do that another ecm boat can't do better or cheaper. If ccp ever lifts the hard 250km lock on the rest of the ships like they did cariers I could maybe see it. As it stands it's only really useful for suicide ecm bursts
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Nikea Tiber
Backwater Enterprises RD
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Posted - 2017.02.05 19:42:20 -
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Andrew Indy wrote:YeuxVerts Belle wrote:Boozbaz wrote:Tempest Fleet issue is bad value. The vanilla tempest has better bonuses than the fleet issue. Does that make it a bad ship? For a few extra isk (tens of mil) you can get a Mach, Pretty much a Fleet tempest that swaps a free high for an extra gun (more DPS), gets even more drones, more speed, faster warp, faster align and better range.
The mach is not a fleet tempest with an extra turret slot. It is typhoon that doesn't use missiles.
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Valkin Mordirc
2689
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Posted - 2017.02.06 04:40:27 -
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RavenPaine wrote:The Rokh: A great doctrine ship with the snipeing ability. Up close, as a blaster boat, Mega is faster, has more DPS, and can tank as good or better. Mega and other ships, will have a better drone bay and more possible utility options. Price makes the Mega a far better choice for the same fight. Again, I've flown them all, and I'd do it again, but a well thought out fleet/plan would leave these ships in the hanger. I will admit, most of my fleet/plans aren't well thought out. Many times it's just "grab something and let's go"
I wouldn't say it the best doctrine sniper. Again the Naga will have better DPS and the same range. It's faster to, so if you it as it's intended role. Being outside of the range of the enemy, tank doesn't really matter. Also the Naga gets overshadowed by the Tornado. Also Medium rails in general on cruiser hull seem to be more ideal with the meta as is.
Mega gets a better Passive tank, The Rohk could technically get a better active tank, but the Rokh only has six mids, so getting a good a active tank, or even passive tank will limit it in utility. It's really hard to fit a Rokh to have a strong active tank, even with bling, and still have a web.
As for blaster fits, the Rokh doesn't get the tracking bonus, so not only does the Mega out damage the Rokh, it tracks better and can fit a web. Better drone bay to, it can fit a set of mediums and a set of lights. where the rokh can only fit a set of mediums or two sets of lights.
As its intended role, The Rokh has been left behind by the ABC's. The only thing people really use them for now is smart bombing, either has dedicated firewallers, or just popping the random ceptor/pod.
I know I've been bashing it a lot, I love the way the Rokh looks. It was actually the first battleship I bought and I still have that rohk docked up in Amarr. I just wish it was a better ship.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
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Posted - 2017.02.06 05:01:21 -
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Everyone wishes the Rokh was a better ship. If they removed the shield bonus and replaced it with a +25% bonus to falloff range it would make the Rokh a lot more interesting. Then change the optimal range bonus on the Naga to +25%. The Naga will still be able to snipe and perform - it just wouldn't surpass the Rokh at extreme ranges.
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Mikkir
Freelance Mining Company
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Posted - 2017.02.07 06:33:43 -
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So after some fitting I'm going to declare that the abaddon is the worst battleship. The bonuses make it interesting, but the cap is so weak you have to fit cap boosters just to keep the lasers firing in a buffer fit. I really don't see how to fit this ship and not consider it garbage. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
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Posted - 2017.02.07 07:38:57 -
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Mikkir wrote:So after some fitting I'm going to declare that the abaddon is the worst battleship. The bonuses make it interesting, but the cap is so weak you have to fit cap boosters just to keep the lasers firing in a buffer fit. I really don't see how to fit this ship and not consider it garbage. You may want to look into a Nightmare.
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Mikkir
Freelance Mining Company
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Posted - 2017.02.07 07:53:59 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Mikkir wrote:So after some fitting I'm going to declare that the abaddon is the worst battleship. The bonuses make it interesting, but the cap is so weak you have to fit cap boosters just to keep the lasers firing in a buffer fit. I really don't see how to fit this ship and not consider it garbage. You may want to look into a Nightmare.
Yeah, the nightmare seems a lot better for the same-ish kind of ship. |
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