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Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.04.24 03:16:00 - [61] Originally by: Zee Zen ...to me the only stupid people are the ones who post with their main.... Oh noes, I've been called stupid by a gutless forum alt troll. Forsooth I hath been mortally wounded! >> RECRUITING <<
Kiviar Caldari Dirty Sanchez Ltd	Posted - 2007.04.24 04:19:00 - [62] If you don't post on your main how will people know how well you win threads? Since as we all know... Forums are what?
Kldraina	Posted - 2007.04.24 04:54:00 - [63] If I ever wish to gain a good reputation, I must first risk gaining a bad one. Ultimately, the purpose of posting with a Main, is to influence how others see you. --- Most players have no idea what makes a game good.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.24 05:59:00 - [64] Originally by: Kldraina If I ever wish to gain a good reputation, I must first risk gaining a bad one. Ultimately, the purpose of posting with a Main, is to influence how others see you. Never have truer words been spoken. :) You may note that the reason that people generally post with an alt is because they wish to say dumb things that they wouldn't want attributed to them. You know...the whole "anonymity of the internet" thing?
Rab	Posted - 2007.04.24 06:15:00 - [65] Edited by: Rab on 24/04/2007 06:12:59 If you want to argue about in-game happenings and situations, alt posting is a pretty cowardly act. If you want to try and cause trouble to someone on the boards for what they have done in game, alt posting is a cowardly act. If you try and speak from false experience (actually I flew T2 ships in beta) then alt posting is a useless act because a character age can validate such claims and provide simple proof, or disprove any bogus claims. If however, you simply wish to keep the two worlds separate because nothing you say here needs comment there, or vice versa, then the OP is right. There is no benefit to 'main posting'. Those that demand everyone should post with their main seem to want the effects one side to roll over to the other, or they want their in-game skills to mean more than simply 'joined earlier'. Online, there does exist an amount of chest-beating weirdos that will try and attack you in other areas (in game, real life) for what you say on a board. These people are akin to people that use their fists because they lose a verbal fight, or people that use a rifle because their fists cant win. Always its a human feeling to try and fight someone where you compete best, and for some on the boards, their most affective attack is with game guns, not their mind :) Some I'm sure have capable skills in both areas, and for them, main posting or alt posting is little different. If however you have a broad knowledge of a topic but 5 million SP, then there remains a danger that someone with a narrower knowledge but 50 million SP can decide to make your life a misery in game because they can't win in this arena. I must say I have seen it worse with other games than with Eve, but the risk does exist. Game experience can benefit the quality of posts. But often it has simply no bearing. I as a 6 month alt can speak on a number of topics where the SP of my main or what facets of the game he participates in have totally 0 relevance. Alt posting can be a safety fuse, perhaps never needed, if the only requirement is to talk to people that judge a post by its contents, not by its writer's ability to play darts or sign up early to a game, should that information actually be irrelevant to the posts contents. 'David Beckham, people always say hes not so bright, but no-one says Stephen Hawking, crap at football' - Steve Coogan as Paul Calf. - In an infinite universe, everything is definite. -
Phiraga Forsaken Souls	Posted - 2007.04.24 06:38:00 - [66] There's a time and place for everything. If your alt is known as a forum alt troll thingy, then you must be doing something wrong. "Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority."
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.04.24 06:55:00 - [67] Originally by: Dark Shikari Posting with your main means you have the balls to back up your opinion. If you're posting with an alt, it is clear that you do not trust your own words enough to back them up with your own name, and so they are meaningless. I disagree completely. A poster's words/thoughts should stand on their own. Whether a person posts with an ALT or not should not take away from what was actually written. The notion that if not posted with a main that somehow their ideas should automatically be discounted is bogus. Judge the merits of the post, not the poster. There are some exceptions to this such as CAOD but by and large I think it is better to judge the post and not the poster. I know I have participated in threads where someone else did not like what I was writing and went on and on about how I was a wimp because they could not war dec me. Personally I will stand behind my posting history as someone who does not troll and tries to offer constructive content. Others may disagree with what I write which is fine but I never troll and rarely shoot back in a personal manner. Nevertheless some dislike being out-argued or are just plain contrary SOBs and want to go after me. If it was just me that is fine but I have corpmates who might get subjected to a stupid war dec because of something I wrote here. I do not see that as being fair to the rest of my corp. I see the forums as an out-of-game venue. Love me, hate me, be indifferent but outside of places such as CAOD I do not see why my personal thoughts on the EVE game universe should impact me and my mates in game.
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.04.24 07:28:00 - [68] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h A poster's words/thoughts should stand on their own. Whether a person posts with an ALT or not should not take away from what was actually written. The notion that if not posted with a main that somehow their ideas should automatically be discounted is bogus. Judge the merits of the post, not the poster. There are some exceptions to this such as CAOD but by and large I think it is better to judge the post and not the poster. Nevertheless some dislike being out-argued or are just plain contrary SOBs and want to go after me. If it was just me that is fine but I have corpmates who might get subjected to a stupid war dec because of something I wrote here. I do not see that as being fair to the rest of my corp. I see the forums as an out-of-game venue. Love me, hate me, be indifferent but outside of places such as CAOD I do not see why my personal thoughts on the EVE game universe should impact me and my mates in game. True as such. The validity of an argument is in no way determined by the person who makes it. See the Ad Hominem in Wikipedia for details.. However. In most of the internet communities the benefits of anonymity are often abused for inflamatory comments. By identifying oneself in some way, main character or whatever, one usually feels more obligeted to make sound, well thought out arguments than just throw random comments. Nothing is quite as depressing as seeing someone use "ZOMG! WTFBBQ! OP!" as an argument they fully belive in. Trying to discuss something when ppl throw in comments like that is painful. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Aro Tolan	Posted - 2007.04.24 14:23:00 - [69] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Imperator Jora'h A poster's words/thoughts should stand on their own. Whether a person posts with an ALT or not should not take away from what was actually written. The notion that if not posted with a main that somehow their ideas should automatically be discounted is bogus. Judge the merits of the post, not the poster. Contrary to what you might believe, Ad Hominem is not an actually fallacy. The words of someone who is too scared of the consequences of a post to use their main is someone who is not worth listening to. Even if they're telling the truth? Even if they're not lying? Even if those words contribute something positive and productive you're saying you should just crap all over them?
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.04.24 14:24:00 - [70] Edited by: Plutoinum on 24/04/2007 14:23:13 Originally by: heheheh Posting with an alt is just cowardice and highlights the persons inability to communicate effectivly with other people. Pfff, generalizations for the win. Good thing is, we have all our own opinions about alt posts and it doesn't matter much to me, what others think about a certain alt post. I read what I want and rate posts my own way. If someone says: 'That post is worth nothing, because it's from an alt !' then it's only his opinion. I think: 'Shut up and let me decide it for myself !' I could have said this with an alt, but I wasn't in the mood. ___________ Muuuhhh !!!

Shark Dikari Inferior Technologies	Posted - 2007.04.24 14:49:00 - [71] Agreed with OP. The shark says: Hi !
Drasked North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.24 15:37:00 - [72] Originally by: ry ry Edited by: ry ry on 24/04/2007 14:06:15 Originally by: Drasked If you have a reason not to post with your main, you have a reason not to post at all. you're talking in soundbites, and blatantly haven't given this much though. do you wear a name badge to the supermarket? i'm guessing not. why should you have to wear one on the Eve forum? actually sod it, by your logic i see no reason (apart from the ToS banning me from doing so) not to ask for your irl details. After all - if you're not going to post as yourself, you have no reason to post at all. right? What has the supermarket or RL information to do with this again? If you think my statement is false then give me a good example of how it is false without using the supermarket as an example, please.
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.24 16:05:00 - [73] Some things you need to post with your main. Some you need to post with an alt. Do both.
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves	Posted - 2007.04.24 16:16:00 - [74] Tbh for me its fairly simple. If I care about someones opinion, he uses his main anyway. If someone posts with an alt, I don't care about his opinion anyway. So all is well. --------- There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Kestrel There is no 'e' in Caldari
ry ry StateCorp	Posted - 2007.04.24 16:34:00 - [75] Edited by: ry ry on 24/04/2007 16:31:31 Originally by: Drasked What has the supermarket or RL information to do with this again? If you think my statement is false then give me a good example of how it is false without using the supermarket as an example, please. you're not seeing it. lets look at this another way - somebody makes a post about drone orbit speeds. Their post is well thought out, makes perfect sense, but they're using an alt. So naturally you are enraged and tell them that their opinion doesn't matter because they don't have the balls to post with their main. why the **** do you have any right to know the character name of somebody expressing an opinion on drone orbit speeds. what has their character got to do with it? sod all.
PostWithYourMain Main Corporation	Posted - 2007.04.24 16:41:00 - [76] It's CAOD. I know COAD is easier to pronounce out loud, but it's wrong! I really think as long as a post is constructive, it doesn't matter much whether or not the post is made with an alt character or a main. Taking any good thread and changing the OP's name to a random alts name does not diminish the content of the thread.
Lucifer Fellblade Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.24 16:45:00 - [77] Originally by: Zee Zen A few of the risks: Making enemies with your viewpoint / metagame. Angering your corp / alliance for disagreeing with them or making them look stupid. Drawing unnecessary attention to yourself -- potential for wardecs / griefing / etc. Your ashamed of your viewpoint, and not willing to fight to support it? Your in the wrong corp / alliance, and if your making them look stupid, then well either YOU are stupid or they are stupid, regardless of whether they look it or not. Consequences of EVE, the forums should go by the same rules. Do you attack enemy corps/alliances with a fleet of alts so they don't know who it is? ------
Drasked North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.24 17:29:00 - [78] Edited by: Drasked on 24/04/2007 18:53:45 Originally by: ry ry Edited by: ry ry on 24/04/2007 16:31:31 Originally by: Drasked What has the supermarket or RL information to do with this again? If you think my statement is false then give me a good example of how it is false without using the supermarket as an example, please. you're not seeing it. lets look at this another way - somebody makes a post about drone orbit speeds. Their post is well thought out, makes perfect sense, but they're using an alt. So naturally you are enraged and tell them that their opinion doesn't matter because they don't have the balls to post with their main. why the **** do you have any right to know the character name of somebody expressing an opinion on drone orbit speeds. what has their character got to do with it? sod all. Your missing the point, if its a well thought out post about the orbit speed of drones, why would you use an alt to post this?? The answer to this question is also the reason you should not post.
ry ry StateCorp	Posted - 2007.04.24 21:08:00 - [79] Edited by: ry ry on 24/04/2007 21:11:03 I'm really not. why is posting with an alt a bad thing? The Eve forums are not part of the game, they are just forums where people who play Eve Online can chat about the game. The only real connection between the game and the forums is that you need an account to use them. We could be doing this on any forum under any usernames and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference. There are exceptions, obviously, in something like CAOD there is an element of roleplay going on, and the no alts rule helps prevent any confusion over who is announcing what exactly. not to mention stopping some of the smackers. Furry muff, yeah? but that dosen't extend to every forum. In the Skills forum somebody might not want to reveal which skills their main actually has, and to be honest there is no reason why they should be forced to reveal who is asking what the quickest root to a titan is. In the Ship Setup forums it's plainly obvious why somebody might use an alt to avoid revealing what they fly and how they set up their ships. Similar thing going on in Market. etc. So, with the possible exception of the RP forums, there are some very good reasons not to post with your main which go beyond cowardice or some burning desire to insult people anonymously. However i can't think of a single reason to force people to post with their main, apart from killboard quoting epeen development, and to be honest neither have you.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.04.24 21:24:00 - [80] Originally by: Drasked Your missing the point, if its a well thought out post about the orbit speed of drones, why would you use an alt to post this?? The answer to this question is also the reason you should not post. Kinda curious to hear you expand on this thought. How does the post you describe (orbit speed of drones) change if you flip the name of the poster from a Main to an ALT?

WhitePhantom Gallente Edenists	Posted - 2007.04.24 21:49:00 - [81] Originally by: Zee Zen So many people complain about alts and people not having the guts to post with their main, but to me the only stupid people are the ones who post with their main. There are some very important exceptions -- recruiting, corp/alliance public relations, defending against accusations, etc -- but 95% of the time you have much more to lose than gain from posting with your main. A few of the risks: Making enemies with your viewpoint / metagame. Angering your corp / alliance for disagreeing with them or making them look stupid. Drawing unnecessary attention to yourself -- potential for wardecs / griefing / etc. So, to those people who hate alts posting here, what's the point? The forum is not Eve; it could disappear tomorrow and the game would go on. Another prominent exception would be those characters who already have a high profile and don't post controversially views. Posting with an alt, is just as lame, I believe in "love me or hate me" saying either way I don't give a flying you know what..
Protovarious	Posted - 2007.04.24 21:50:00 - [82] Edited by: Protovarious on 24/04/2007 21:47:20 Multiple pages of people making the same points and counterpoints. This thread does not deliver. <----Main
ry ry StateCorp	Posted - 2007.04.24 21:55:00 - [83] sorry.
Drasked North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.25 07:41:00 - [84] Edited by: Drasked on 25/04/2007 07:43:42 Originally by: ry ry Edited by: ry ry on 24/04/2007 21:11:03 I'm really not. why is posting with an alt a bad thing? The Eve forums are not part of the game, they are just forums where people who play Eve Online can chat about the game. The only real connection between the game and the forums is that you need an account to use them. We could be doing this on any forum under any usernames and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference. There are exceptions, obviously, in something like CAOD there is an element of roleplay going on, and the no alts rule helps prevent any confusion over who is announcing what exactly. not to mention stopping some of the smackers. Furry muff, yeah? but that dosen't extend to every forum. In the Skills forum somebody might not want to reveal which skills their main actually has, and to be honest there is no reason why they should be forced to reveal who is asking what the quickest root to a titan is. In the Ship Setup forums it's plainly obvious why somebody might use an alt to avoid revealing what they fly and how they set up their ships. Similar thing going on in Market. etc. So, with the possible exception of the RP forums, there are some very good reasons not to post with your main which go beyond cowardice or some burning desire to insult people anonymously. However i can't think of a single reason to force people to post with their main, apart from killboard quoting epeen development, and to be honest neither have you. I must admit that i agree with you on some levels, with highy delicate questions it is indeed better to use an alt, stuff about buying motherships etc. But this is such a small margin of posts that it can easely be neglected. The real problem is people that post something on an alt that they would not post on their main, in 99% of the cases if you ask yourself the questen "why am i posting this with an alt" the awnser to that question is also the reason you should not post at all. ie: Someone wants to post something wich might make their main look like a complete jackass, so they use an alt to post this, wich actually means this person is confirming to himself that he is a jackass. This is where the problem lies, i have no problem at all with alt posts and can ignore any post at will.. but i have a problem with people openly admitting to themself they are jackasses but are afraid to make this public knowledge.
Drasked North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.25 07:47:00 - [85] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Originally by: Drasked Your missing the point, if its a well thought out post about the orbit speed of drones, why would you use an alt to post this?? The answer to this question is also the reason you should not post. Kinda curious to hear you expand on this thought. How does the post you describe (orbit speed of drones) change if you flip the name of the poster from a Main to an ALT? The content of the post is not important, its all about the reason why someone would post this with an alt. "Why did i post this with an alt?" The answer to this question is also the awnser to the following question; "Why should i not post?" And ofcourse you can say something like, "i felt like it" and in these cases my statement obviously doesn't apply, but if you have a good reason not to post with your main you also have a good reason not to post at all. (ofcourse there are exceptions to be made when a post regards highly delicate information but this is only 1% of all posts on this forum)
Grey Area Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.25 08:03:00 - [86] If I'm having a reasonable argument with someone who can string more than two words together, I'll post with my main. If the thread gets populated with the kind of "OMG STFU NOOB" nonsense that one occasionally witnesses, I may post with an alt. It's all about judging your opposition...I'm not about to risk a wardec over some numpty who wants to fit Doomsday Devices to shuttles, and whose vocabulary doesn't run much past four letter words. --- I don't mind you disagreeing with me. Just don't say I don't have the SKILLS to comment.
Countess NotFarOut2	Posted - 2007.04.25 13:15:00 - [87] Quote: The content of the post is not important,... Oh wow..
ry ry StateCorp	Posted - 2007.04.25 13:19:00 - [88] Originally by: Countess NotFarOut2 Quote: The content of the post is not important,... Oh wow.. irony lives.
FreeHansje Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.25 13:19:00 - [89] I really don't understand all the hub-hub about alt or main, but an example: Hey guys, I fly an <insert very expensive ship> in system XYZ and I need help. The situation is <insert dreadful situation> and I am using mods <insert very expensive mods>. Would I post this with my main? Why do I need to do that? We all realize the risks when I do this, right? On reputation: is it really that important to ppl to have a (good?)reputation in a virtual world as EVE?! I would say: get a life? Usually I post with an alt, because it is the first(default) name in the list. ----- FreeHansje Yes, I'm a Newby. So sue me!
Drasked North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.25 16:34:00 - [90] Originally by: ry ry Originally by: Countess NotFarOut2 Quote: The content of the post is not important,... Oh wow.. irony lives. How is the content of a post about the orbit speed of drones relevant when your talking about changing the author over from main to alt, its not important since nothing changes. The thing that is important is why would you post this with an alt?



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