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Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.23 15:45:00 - [1] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 23/04/2007 15:41:51 I predicted it would take 6 months after Vista release for DX10 to be ported to Windows XP even in a limited format. I underestimated the coders --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio
Brisi Veto.	Posted - 2007.04.23 15:55:00 - [2] ******* win! So by the time I got enough cash for a DX10 capable computer, a fully DX10-ready XP should be available. Hopefully anyway Resistance is Fertile.
lofty29 Athanasius Inc. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.23 16:03:00 - [3] Surely this is piracy? MODS! Ban DS plzthnx! --- Originally by: Wild Rho I had high hopes of getting enough parts to make a small Jovian handpuppet once :(
General Xerxes Delta Omega Iota Inc. Breidablik	Posted - 2007.04.23 16:09:00 - [4] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 23/04/2007 15:41:51 I predicted it would take 6 months after Vista release for DX10 to be ported to Windows XP even in a limited format. I underestimated the coders H4x! Sounds cool though and the already tiny number of reasons why I would even think of getting Vista is getting smaller.
Kasak Black The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.23 16:19:00 - [5] Carefull DS, The Inquirer isn't known for its accurate reporting.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.23 16:25:00 - [6] Originally by: Kasak Black Carefull DS, The Inquirer isn't known for its accurate reporting. You're thinking of the wrong Inquirer. The Inquirer is generally considered relatively accurate; note even the article I linked gives the news deserved skepticism. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio
Shalia Ripper Caldari High4Life	Posted - 2007.04.23 16:43:00 - [7] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 23/04/2007 15:41:51 I predicted it would take 6 months after Vista release for DX10 to be ported to Windows XP even in a limited format. I underestimated the coders I expect that M$'s attack lawyers will be visiting a courtroom near this chap shortly.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.23 16:47:00 - [8] Originally by: Shalia Ripper Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 23/04/2007 15:41:51 I predicted it would take 6 months after Vista release for DX10 to be ported to Windows XP even in a limited format. I underestimated the coders I expect that M$'s attack lawyers will be visiting a courtroom near this chap shortly. Reverse engineering isn't illegal, see WINE for example. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio
lofty29 Athanasius Inc. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.23 16:50:00 - [9] Yeah, I mean, you dont loose sec status for reverse engineering or anything --- Originally by: Wild Rho I had high hopes of getting enough parts to make a small Jovian handpuppet once :(
Shalia Ripper Caldari High4Life	Posted - 2007.04.23 17:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Shalia Ripper Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 23/04/2007 15:41:51 I predicted it would take 6 months after Vista release for DX10 to be ported to Windows XP even in a limited format. I underestimated the coders I expect that M$'s attack lawyers will be visiting a courtroom near this chap shortly. Reverse engineering isn't illegal, see WINE for example. it doesn't matter if it is illegal, expect M$ to make a fuss. Hell, look at the crap SCO has pulled.

Lithalnas Amarr Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative	Posted - 2007.04.23 17:59:00 - [11] If he comes out with a dx10 for dx9 hardware running on XP, Vista will die overnight. That or the linux guys are going to get into it and make me very happy indeed. ------------- Hadean Drive Yards The EvE inflation, 80 Macro miners, 1.5b isk/day
Peter Armstrong Caldari 5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.04.23 18:03:00 - [12] ok let me get this straight. run on XP = no need to ungrade to vista? and mean i can walk on station in the patch comes? i just cant be arsed to read it all as i not a computer person ------------------------------------ "There is no avoiding war; it can only be postponed to the advantage of others"
Nyana	Posted - 2007.04.23 18:14:00 - [13] Originally by: Peter Armstrong ok let me get this straight. run on XP = no need to ungrade to vista? and mean i can walk on station in the patch comes? i just cant be arsed to read it all as i not a computer person Walking in stations doesn't require DX10 whatsoever. At least so a dev said on the forums recently.
Benco97 Gallente Multiverse Corporation The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.04.23 19:05:00 - [14] Edited by: Benco97 on 23/04/2007 19:02:54 Edit - Dammit, hate. "MY GOD KEEP THIS AWAY FROM BENCO97!!!!!" - Constantine Arcanum
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.23 19:06:00 - [15] I'm NOT surprised that it happened. I AM surprised that someone beat the Wine guys to it --------
Peter Armstrong Caldari 5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.04.23 19:35:00 - [16] Originally by: Nyana Originally by: Peter Armstrong ok let me get this straight. run on XP = no need to ungrade to vista? and mean i can walk on station in the patch comes? i just cant be arsed to read it all as i not a computer person Walking in stations doesn't require DX10 whatsoever. At least so a dev said on the forums recently. Oh really? cool well least i know now. Its been a while i was keeping tabs about that. ------------------------------------ "There is no avoiding war; it can only be postponed to the advantage of others"
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.23 19:55:00 - [17] Originally by: Lithalnas If he comes out with a dx10 for dx9 hardware running on XP, Vista will die overnight. That or the linux guys are going to get into it and make me very happy indeed. People will buy vista because Microsoft tell them to, you overestimate the consumer -------------------------------------------- Stay away from my signature all of ya!!! IM WARNING YOU!! PEW PEW PEW PEW!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.23 19:59:00 - [18] Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Originally by: Lithalnas If he comes out with a dx10 for dx9 hardware running on XP, Vista will die overnight. That or the linux guys are going to get into it and make me very happy indeed. People will buy vista because Microsoft tell them to, you overestimate the consumer Incorrect. They did a survey and 88% of Windows users said that they were not planning to upgrade to Vista in the next year. The only copies of Vista selling are coming with new machines, and even Dell was forced by their userbase to start selling Windows XP on their computers again. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.23 20:10:00 - [19] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Originally by: Lithalnas If he comes out with a dx10 for dx9 hardware running on XP, Vista will die overnight. That or the linux guys are going to get into it and make me very happy indeed. People will buy vista because Microsoft tell them to, you overestimate the consumer Incorrect. They did a survey and 88% of Windows users said that they were not planning to upgrade to Vista in the next year. The only copies of Vista selling are coming with new machines, and even Dell was forced by their userbase to start selling Windows XP on their computers again. I didn't say they would buy it now, and the copies with new computers are what matters anyway. -------------------------------------------- Stay away from my signature all of ya!!! IM WARNING YOU!! PEW PEW PEW PEW!
James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.23 21:49:00 - [20] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Originally by: Lithalnas If he comes out with a dx10 for dx9 hardware running on XP, Vista will die overnight. That or the linux guys are going to get into it and make me very happy indeed. People will buy vista because Microsoft tell them to, you overestimate the consumer Incorrect. They did a survey and 88% of Windows users said that they were not planning to upgrade to Vista in the next year. The only copies of Vista selling are coming with new machines, and even Dell was forced by their userbase to start selling Windows XP on their computers again. Same thing happened with XP though IIRC. People waited a while to upgrade because the initial version was full of security holes and bugs. Better wait a bit until it gets patched up properly so it actually works. Dell will probably switch over soon enough too. -----

Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.23 21:52:00 - [21] Originally by: James Snowscoran Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Originally by: Lithalnas If he comes out with a dx10 for dx9 hardware running on XP, Vista will die overnight. That or the linux guys are going to get into it and make me very happy indeed. People will buy vista because Microsoft tell them to, you overestimate the consumer Incorrect. They did a survey and 88% of Windows users said that they were not planning to upgrade to Vista in the next year. The only copies of Vista selling are coming with new machines, and even Dell was forced by their userbase to start selling Windows XP on their computers again. Same thing happened with XP though IIRC. People waited a while to upgrade because the initial version was full of security holes and bugs. Better wait a bit until it gets patched up properly so it actually works. Dell will probably switch over soon enough too. Read what I wrote again. The opposite happened. Dell instantly switched to Vista, but the outpouring of user complaints was so great that they were forced to put XP back as an option. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.23 21:58:00 - [22] Originally by: James Snowscoran Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Originally by: Lithalnas If he comes out with a dx10 for dx9 hardware running on XP, Vista will die overnight. That or the linux guys are going to get into it and make me very happy indeed. People will buy vista because Microsoft tell them to, you overestimate the consumer Incorrect. They did a survey and 88% of Windows users said that they were not planning to upgrade to Vista in the next year. The only copies of Vista selling are coming with new machines, and even Dell was forced by their userbase to start selling Windows XP on their computers again. Same thing happened with XP though IIRC. People waited a while to upgrade because the initial version was full of security holes and bugs. Better wait a bit until it gets patched up properly so it actually works. Dell will probably switch over soon enough too. Incidentally, same thing happened with Windows ME. And look what happened to THAT. They ended up retiring the whole OS tree. Just because XP pulled through, doesn't mean they all pull through....... And you've gotta remember, XP marked a big step forward in technology over W2K, so there was a lot of incentive to switch. Microsoft knew that, which is why they pulled their DX10 stunt- and if DX10 becomes a non-issue, what have they got left? Just a buggy, insecure, resource hogging, DRM infested, overpriced version of XP. --------
mamolian Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.24 08:11:00 - [23] Nice.. Vista with the graphical bells n whistles turned on was using almost a gig of ram, untill I turned all that ****e off.. Its similar to XP now.. But we'll see, may switch back to XP if that DX10 port is reliable. -------------------------------
Brolly Caldari Morphic field	Posted - 2007.04.24 08:28:00 - [24] Originally by: Dark Shikari The only copies of Vista selling are coming with new machines, and even Dell was forced by their userbase to start selling Windows XP on their computers again. lol, does'nt suprise me, the amount of people I have known to have problems with vista, both personal friends and customers is quite apalling. Would'nt be so bad if certain PC makers actually put some deccent documantation in the box with the PC
Ealiom Infinitus Morti R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.24 09:02:00 - [25] I can see this getting nasty if it turns out to be true and the DX10 is stable in XP. Microsoft will fight this by updating DX10 with ever increasing and pointless additions DX10a...DX10e I seem to remember microsoft stating that this is what they have intended to do with DX10 and that the first update is due later this year. Thats all well and good. DX9c was luverly. But im betting that they may cram in little extras to make it harder and harder for it to be ported to XP. The last thing i want for my machine is for DX10 the mediator for all my gaming joy to become a battle ground. Time will tell, either way im not to worried, it wont be long before some industrious fellow makes VistaLite(tm that hacks and strips all the gubbins from VistaFat(tm) Executioner Model Blackbird Model
Khalm Amarr Financial Removal	Posted - 2007.04.24 09:12:00 - [26] Edited by: Khalm on 24/04/2007 09:08:26 I wont believe this until I see some real tests ran with real games.
Vegetto Ichikai Caldari Point-Zero	Posted - 2007.04.24 09:15:00 - [27] Sod this merry-go-round, i'm going to try that Ubuntu Linux cack. I'm not as much of a gamer as i used to be, purely online, mainly MMO's now, so compatibility issues aren't so serious for me now. Also, the security is still mega dodgy on Windows XP, dunno what it's like on linux, but it's like windows was designed to be a pretty face, but nothing underneath.
Flash Landsraad STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.24 11:20:00 - [28] I really don't understand why people slag off microsoft whilst using their products. Stinks a bit of hypocrisy to me to be honest (Note I'm not saying any of you do use Windows, I'm speaking generally). Yes it's a pain in the backside that DX10 was only released for Vista but that's business. At the end of the day MS are there to make money and I'd be doing exactly the same thing in MS's shoes, so I am sure would most other people with an ounce profit yearning. Businesses aren't lovey dovey organisations put in place to please people, they are created out of a want for profit and that is what they aim for. People can shout 'corrupt microsoft! corrupt microsoft!' all day but I really do not see how maximising profit is corrupt, especially since the whole of Western society is grounded on capitalist ideals. People don't just give away groundbreaking new technology for free by adding it to already existing OSs. Fair play to that coder though, must have taken some doing. Signature removed due to lack of Eve-related content. -Ivan K Fair enough Ivan, sorry :( - Flash
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.24 12:40:00 - [29] Originally by: Flash Landsraad I really don't understand why people slag off microsoft whilst using their products. Stinks a bit of hypocrisy to me to be honest (Note I'm not saying any of you do use Windows, I'm speaking generally). Uh, I'd say exactly the opposite. If you slag off on Ford but you drive a Honda, your words are meaningless. If you've driven a Ford for 7 years and its been the worst car you've ever used, constantly breaking, and is a complete lemon, your words are definitely meaningful. We gain the right to slag off on Microsoft by using their products. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio
Ealiom Infinitus Morti R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.24 13:20:00 - [30] Edited by: Ealiom on 24/04/2007 13:19:13 Originally by: Dark Shikari Stuff about cars Personally (and I know im not alone) I haven't given a single penny to Microsoft. I do not feel like I have a right to complain about the software that I use every day for free. I dont think I have a right to complain about the Operating systems we have today due to Microsoft's dominance of the market. In fact I think we take Microsoft for granted, they have done alot for us since home computing became a reality. I enjoy my games, movies, tv shows, internet and myriad of software all on Microsofts OS. I do not see a fault with it. Compared to Windows98, XP is a godsend. Will Vista be the same in a few years time. Maybeez yes maybeez no. In the meantime im going to enjoy my games on whatever OS is the easiest to use, most widly available and has no compatibility problems. When another OS usurps XP from that throne, be it Vista or otherwise I will gladly jump ship. We will all be using Microsoft products for the forseeable future, so I wont pour scorn at Microsoft. I can hardly blame them for being a big company wanting more money. There isn't another company in this world who wouldn't be the same had they been in Microsfot's position. Instead im more inclined to look at all the other OS providers and ask them to get there fingers out. Do you want to see Microsoft stand up and take notice? Do you want OS updates to offer much more? Do you want the providers to listen to the consumers? Then you will have to look at Microsofts competitors, they will have to become a serious threat to Microsofts dominance before any of that is likely. _______________ p.s. Dark your sig. "Dancing to the tune of the drums of war" Made me laugh but you should alter it more to the original Perfect Circle's i.e. "Dancing to the rythme of the war drums" less tongue twistery! Executioner Model Blackbird Model



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