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DoctorColossal Pervius
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Posted - 2007.04.24 11:48:00 -
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In the title lol.
A) My ship isn't a solo pwnmobile without me even having to think about it or run my auto-kill bot
B) I'm too lazy to play about with set-ups. Too many slots! and rigs! Oh noes! What shall I do....
C) I can't work out how to kill drones... and nosferatu just don't match the paintwork of my ship.
D)5% resists per level on 2 other races ships is just so weak - my tank needs more to stop blasters!
E)Missles are just so difficult to use it is doing my brain in - load fire load fire load... what comes next? Oh noes!
F)My passive shield tank doesn't drain any of my cap ! My ship is full to bursting point with all this yellow/orangey stuff and I just don't know what to do with it! Help me CCP Hay-ulp!
G)I have such a restricted dmg type for my weapons.   Only 4 to choose from.. let me see...ah yes EM THERMAL EXP KINETIC but still I just can't decide what to use for any given situation.... please make a 5th damge type I need a LobbyWhinePwnzornerfeverythingapartfromme. Then I think I may undock... yes!
H)More needs to be added here comrades as armour reps are far too easy to run when just sitting in your ship requires cap.....
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dralid
Vortex.
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.24 12:54:00 -
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Signed!
There are too many noob cries for the nerfbat.
Just leave everything alone and start playing!
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Jitterian
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Posted - 2007.04.24 13:30:00 -
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not constructive , but so true :) |
Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.04.24 13:37:00 -
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So true...
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sarabando
Caldari
Council of Lords
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.24 13:50:00 -
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at the moment i think alot of players are thinking of eve too much as a game.
my ship A can't beat ship B so it must need nerfing for "balance" now maybe ship B was never ment to be able to be beaten by ship A. so bring along ship C which was built/set up to kill ship A like the Huggin vs vagabond
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Caffeine Junkie
Caldari
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.04.24 14:02:00 -
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/signed
If there is an advantage to a ship in the game, use it.
If there is a disadvantage, find a way to counter it.
Stop whining!
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.04.24 14:11:00 -
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Bah, people have been whining about 'balance issues' since I started playing EVE, and probably since it actually started.
Sometimes, it's because they're lazy and fools. Other times, it's because a particular fit/combination is overpowered.
I seem to recall similar arguments being made about gankageddons, ravens wtfpwning small ships with torps, nanoships, and ... actually a whole load of stuff that actually _did_ get nerfed.
Constructive evaluation of a perceived problem is useful. It's not always a balance issue. Sometimes it is. Occasionally, a ship or mod is just not worth using, for what it's intended for.
To suggest that 'everyones whining because they're crap' is disingenuous. Everyone's _commmenting_ because they're biased. One way or the other. The grass is usually greener on the other side of the valley, after all. Thankfully, we have devs who get to veto or act on the commentary in question. (or just ignore it entirely)
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ForeverKnight
Caldari
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.24 14:20:00 -
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God save us from an EVE where the devs listen to every whiner 
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Wrayeth
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.04.24 14:32:00 -
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You can't fit to counter your opponent when you don't know what he's flying ahead of time. PvP in EVE is too random for your argument in that vein to work. Moreover, depending on where you are, you may not have any modules to refit with, anyway. This is why ships that are uber all-arounders with a generic setup (like the dominix and megathron) almost always win fights.
-Wrayeth
n00b Extraordinaire
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Christopher Dalran
Gallente
Deadly Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.24 14:36:00 -
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I've been rather pleased with CCP's ability to ignore most of the frivilous nerf x rants in the past.
My drone boats remain effective and people continue to mostly refuse to target my drones (maybee they dont know how to add them to the overview, they dont show up by default).
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Waxau
Liberty Rogues
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Posted - 2007.04.24 14:38:00 -
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Worst thing is, is that IF all the whines were given what they want, They'll be something the next day that they'd whine about...
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Jet Collins
Dynamic Endeavors
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Posted - 2007.04.24 15:51:00 -
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signed,
If you want an uber fleet just get 100 people and have them all fly different ships. Than you will have a ship to conunter any ships that you encounter .
Oh wait but then you will whine about the gang
Dynamic Endeavors is now Recuiting.!!
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xXHitmanXx
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Posted - 2007.04.24 16:21:00 -
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U guys dont understand y they do that? Each race has it's pros and cons. For example caladari uses missles (slow chance they wont hit a fast moving target) but they can pick there damage type. If they made ammo all diff. types of damage then guns would just be ownage and eveyone would use them then whats the point. This game is stratgy. What ship i should use with what mods. IF u didnt have to think about that then the game would be boring and no fun.
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Lucifer Fellblade
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.04.24 16:52:00 -
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No, but apparently people are retarded enough to post topics with absolutely no point whatsoever.
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Waxau
Liberty Rogues
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Posted - 2007.04.24 16:52:00 -
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 Originally by: xXHitmanXx
U guys dont understand y they do that? Each race has it's pros and cons. For example caladari uses missles (slow chance they wont hit a fast moving target) but they can pick there damage type. If they made ammo all diff. types of damage then guns would just be ownage and eveyone would use them then whats the point. This game is stratgy. What ship i should use with what mods. IF u didnt have to think about that then the game would be boring and no fun.
Im sure everyone here understand why whiners whine. But its not nessesary. Each ship has its advantage. The only problem, is that IF a certain person cannot beat another ship, in its same class, they comment on the ship being overpowered and wanting a nerf, rather than thinking 'Oh - he might have a better setup, or more skillpoints, or just general luck'. They always look to blame.
And with all the spam on the forums regarding whines (this one included) it ruins the forum environment. Gives a good few laughs tho!
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errorist
Caldari
Free Mercenaries Union
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.24 16:55:00 -
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Agree that people are to lazy...
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annab
Amarr
FireStar Inc
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Posted - 2007.04.24 17:02:00 -
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I agree most people are lazy.
One thing people are trying to nerf are cloaks because they are too lazy to set up a trap or have a few gards. Maybe because there macros can't deal with them. 
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Chainsaw Plankton
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Posted - 2007.04.24 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: Chainsaw Plankton on 24/04/2007 17:41:37
Oh noes its noss, a battleship can hold off a few frigs, my cruser sits at 40% cap and the nos destroys my cap oh noes, nos is too good!!!!!
oh please, a battle ship should be held at the mercy of a few smaller ships, yea right.
if its a nos domi, lock the drones and pop them, hey look its a battleship with no ofensive wepons.
edit /endsarcasm
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Caffeine Junkie
Caldari
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.04.24 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
if its a nos domi, lock the drones and pop them, hey look its a battleship with no ofensive wepons.
Yes but you'll never break its tank without any cap.
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.24 18:00:00 -
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It's easy enough to say if you're a Gallente pilot tbh. The sacrifices the Dominix, Ishtar & Myrmidon are required to make when deciding on a fitting aren't really in the same league as the equivalent ships of the other races. You have your problem ships like the Diemos theres no denying that but you're better off than the other races which have maybe 1 or 2 ships that can perform alone.
If you want to go out and blow stuff up on your own or in a small gang you can afford to be slightly careless as a drone boat pilot, careless perhaps isn't the right word but there are no ultimate fight deciding sacrifices to be made. As mentioned plenty of times in other threads this isn't really the ship thats overpowered, its the whole Gallente combat philosophy and the ease they have when employing all the effective modules. Armour tanking, high damage, tackling, drones (recall/release), nos and sometimes Ewar, almost a guarenteed win at close range.
Basically Gallente (primarily drone boats) can fit easily for non-consensual pvp. The other races ships (with a couple of exceptions) cannot.
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ReePeR McAllem
The Carebear Stare
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.24 18:04:00 -
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Two pilots with same mentality, same skill. Hell lets say the same person.
Curse > Domi.
Ok so take one curse with 2xistab 1xoverdrive injector 1xnanofiber. three best named dampeners and a 30km scramb.
Here we go.
The curse engages the domi. Sets orbit at 27km (out of BS nos range) and glides at 3kps.
The domi attempts to target the curse. Cannot
The domi attempts to catch the curse. Cannot.
The domi attempts to lock drones when damped.. around 30-40secs.
The curse sends in the drones... damages the domi, pulls drones back before domi can lock.
Domi looses all locks.
Curse sends back in the drones.
Eventually the domi runs out of cap charges and is a sitting duck.
I've killed a few domi's solo this way with ease. It just takes a farkin long time.
There is always a counter to everything, just gotta find it instead of whine 
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.24 18:07:00 -
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Edited by: welsh wizard on 24/04/2007 18:02:57
Originally by: ReePeR McAllem
...There is always a counter to everything, just gotta find it instead of whine
Completely agree, its just easier if you're Gallente or a Curse pilot.
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2007.04.24 18:08:00 -
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People may be lazy, but a lot of issues of the last 3-4 years were genuine cases of something being out of line and overpowered, examples include:
Drones in Castor - infinite range, infinite tracking
Turrets in Castor - same tracking vs. a Battleship as vs. a frigate
Missiles pre-Exodus - Cruise missile kestrels, Siege launcher Ravens hitting everything for full damage with Torpedoes and able to reload with FoF cruise
Propulsion - dual BS Afterburner fitted cruisers, Dual MWD Ravens, nano-ships...
Stacking penalty pre-Red Moon Rising - Anything but an all out maximum damage-module gank ship was hopeless.
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korrey
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.04.24 18:16:00 -
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Amarr- The devs are working on fixing them as we speak. Even the almight devs acknowledged there was an issue, and its being resolved.
Nos- Imbalanced. The Myrmidon itself is not overpowered, but with nos it is. The devs have again said they are working on a fix.
The devs have said they will fix these 2 major issues. Other than these two and the occasional ship imbalance (Minmatar dreads...) there really isnt anything to whine about right now.
So if your not whining about amarr, nos or the Nid, silence!
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Quli
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Posted - 2007.04.24 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: Quli on 24/04/2007 18:21:59
Originally by: welsh wizard
Edited by: welsh wizard on 24/04/2007 18:02:57
Originally by: ReePeR McAllem
...There is always a counter to everything, just gotta find it instead of whine
Completely agree, its just easier if you're Gallente or a Curse pilot.
That was a little bit touche, good reply 
Edie: sorry accidental alt post -Reep
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Jades Falcon Guards
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Posted - 2007.04.24 18:27:00 -
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I) .. must whine in every thread when someone politely asks for a ship setup. All are noobs except me of course and I give them the honest answer, that they should not fly a ship if they do not know how to fit it. But these bastards come back and keep asking. Oh noes, nerf them!!!
J) .. to lazy to show people by example how a polite post should be made.
K) .. I am the best. I know everyhing about PvP and everything is balanced. different opinions come only from whiners.
I could continue, but this is not really what I want. In some areas I am still a noob. Sometimes I get crazy ideas like Nos/Nanoships are imbalanced. I could be wrong but on the other hand, why got these ships recently nerfed.
So please scratch what I wrote first. A better way would be, to put arguments on the table. If someones says a certain ship or module is overpowered/underpowered and you have a different opinion, then say why.
Quit attacking the people making these arguments, but instead, attack the arguments that are made.
Not everyone who thinks different is a whiner, even if you still dismiss his arguments, give reasons why. Make a counter-argument, not a personal attack.
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0raven0
OUTLAWZ IMMORTAL
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Posted - 2007.04.24 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard
Edited by: welsh wizard on 24/04/2007 18:02:57
Originally by: ReePeR McAllem
...There is always a counter to everything, just gotta find it instead of whine
Completely agree, its just easier if you're Gallente or a Curse pilot.
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Janus Duo
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Posted - 2007.04.24 18:36:00 -
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I think a major problem is that people expect to be invincable with the right or expensive ship/setup. This is not true. They also have this idea that EWar is not a vital aspect of PvP. Also untrue, but EWar should not completely dominate on a non-EWar ship.
I was baited yesterday by a Ferox, then had a Rook warp in (Which I did not see on scanner sicne CCP introduced new ship categories yesterday and did not make them on overview by default!). I was tackled by the Ferox and permajammed by the Rook. Guess what? No complaints there. I was expertly enticed into combat, then my ship/setup (Blaster Brutix) was countered. I should have died, and I did.
When you solo-PvP you should expect to be countered easily. Its a risk, but that's what makes it that much more intense and rewarding than small gang or fleet PvP. Same rules apply when you fly in a gang without proper EWar support. Expect to be wiped out by gangs WITH support and good coordination.
That said there were some cases of imbalalance, such as non EWar boats EWarring better than dedicated ones, and some ships being able to negate the penalties of their ship class with the proper fitting.
For example, right now a Nos Myrm/Domi does more damage and nosses more than Amarr recons who should be masters of Nos.
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VanNostrum
The Legion.
Requiem-Aeternam
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Posted - 2007.04.24 19:01:00 -
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/signed
hey people, there's something else to sign on the other thread! gogogogo!
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Morgaine Legray
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Posted - 2007.04.24 19:10:00 -
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nice flamebait post to the op! Looks like he has some hard feelings against caldari. I'll say this plane and simple. When 1 race has a ship that can beat all others of the same class/tier with out breaking a sweat when the pilots have similar skills in their respective ships, its not balanced. Plain and simple.
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