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Dr Jennings
Enigma Inc.
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Posted - 2017.02.09 20:33:40 -
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Hi,
I am trying to decide what to get ready for the upcoming event, I cant decide which would clear a site quicker the Gila or Ishtar.
I have lvl 5 Caldari and Gallente cruiser, along with max shield, armour and capacitor skills. I also have almost max (missing some specialization 5 on specific gun/launcher types) hybrid and missile skills along with almost max (missing specialization 5 for Amarr and Caldari ) drones .
I knocked up a few options with Pyfa but what I am thinking about is the ability to actually apply drone damage due to tracking, drone speed and traverse time, etc.
I am looking for a little guidance on which one people think would clear the site quickest (oh and survive of course but from looking at previous events on YouTube I assume the damage is not massive) because I will be staying in high sec so I expect it to be competitive..
Thanks for all your help
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
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Posted - 2017.02.09 20:36:19 -
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Probably something without drones.
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2017.02.10 14:28:10 -
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I have not really looked at the last event did not want to partake, and I will not be partaking in the next event so this is just general thoughts.
If your choice is Gila or Ishtar I would take the Ishtar provided there is no skills / tank related reason to choose one over the other.
The Gila is not enough faster that it makes any difference and the Ishtar's ability to use sentry drones essentially negates the speed advantage the Gila has.
The larger drones bay and the greater bandwidth of the Ishtar allows for a more flexible drones load out including the use of sentry drones and the Gecko.
The Ishtar bonuses the damage and hit points of all sizes of drones, the Gila only gives bonuses to medium drones making the Gila a trick pony. Yes those mediums will be rather nasty but the do struggle to hit smaller faster targets and if / when you switch to lights the Ishtar is clearly superior. |
elitatwo
Dicker Quick and Hyde Defense Attorneys
O.U.Z.O. Alliance
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Posted - 2017.02.11 15:35:58 -
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If the event is similar to the previous ones, they are made so that even low skillpoint players can do them. I think you can do them in a Thorax or Moa even.
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.02.12 18:48:06 -
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I found a Legion worked well in the last event. |
Andrew Indy
Jedran Space Services
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Posted - 2017.02.13 03:06:20 -
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I think both have thier own issues.
With a Sentry Ishtar you have to be far from the spawns (added travel time to and from that range and harder to get the loot if people are stealing) they will not track. If you are using Mediums or Heavies then the Gila's Mediums would be better.
With a Gila well you are stuck with mediums and it Tracking/travel time issues ect.
T3 or any other high DPS/high tracking ship would be best.
That being said, I always use a Gila mostly because I run them in WH space and being able to sit past point range in a site is nice and sometimes you can get a kill or 2 as well if people think you are PVE fit. |
Toobo
Project Fruit House
Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2017.02.14 06:41:46 -
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I don't know what the new sites will be like, but if tank/dps/skill is non issue (i.e. sites are noob friendly and do not require specialised heavy tanked ship, etc), gun boats will almost always out perform drone boats in terms of pure speed.
Legion as mentioned above should be great because :lasers:, but I can also imagine warp speed bonused Cynabal and such could be good too (eats ammo though). From the Serpentis events I've done before I think the key is pretty much warp speed + instant damage, so I would personally favour gun boats over drone boats.
Based on your skills mentioned here, I'd probably do warp speed bonus fit (Gravitatonal sub+probably hyperspatial rigs) Proteus.
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Demolishar
United Aggression
Corpse Collectors Group
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Posted - 2017.02.14 09:28:04 -
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Something nice and fast to steal the cans, with a pvp fit. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
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Posted - 2017.02.16 00:49:55 -
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Demolishar wrote:Something nice and fast to steal the cans, with a pvp fit.
I will see your fast ship and raise you a tractor beam...
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2017.02.16 15:00:25 -
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Andrew Indy wrote:With a Sentry Ishtar you have to be far from the spawns (added travel time to and from that range and harder to get the loot if people are stealing) they will not track.
Why do you have to be far away from the spawns to use sentries?
And if you landed close to the spawns or things spawned close to you the whole point of the Ishtar is that you have a drones bay full of options that are not available to a pilot in a Gila. To close or too fast for the Garde then you always have mediums or the Gecko. To fast for them you always have a bonus-ed set of lights. Far enough out that travel times for medium drones would be stupid long, that's what the sentries are for. It's all about options, and the Ishtar has more of them than the Gila does. |
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Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2017.02.16 22:08:48 -
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Because sentries have horrible tracking at short range.
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2017.02.17 13:46:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Because sentries have horrible tracking at short range.
Funny never had any trouble with tracking issues. But then my parents taught me that for every job there is a proper tool, learn your tools and how and when to apply them and you will minimize or eliminate most if not all of your problems. They were looking at an extensive set of wood working tools in the wood shop at the time (my dad was a master cabinet maker), but I found that this same principal applies to drones in EvE. By time anything gets close enough for tracking to be an issue there is always a better option.
Under 40k bring out the garde.
By time things are close enough to cause the garde problems you have lights, mediums, gecko or some combination of these.
Pardon me and I hate to sound rude or disrespectful but anyone that has tracking issues with sentries during PvE activities is fail as a drones pilot. This all comes back to those lessons my parents taught me and it is something we see around here all the time, use the right tool for the job at hand and there are definitely times when sentries are not the right tool. Needing to move out to longer ranges is not a problem with the drones specifically, it is a problem with the pilot and applying the wrong tool for the job at hand. |
Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2017.02.17 13:56:03 -
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Donnachadh wrote:Funny never had any trouble with tracking issues. But then my parents taught me that for every job there is a proper tool, learn your tools and how and when to apply them and you will minimize or eliminate most if not all of your problems. They were looking at an extensive set of wood working tools in the wood shop at the time (my dad was a master cabinet maker), but I found that this same principal applies to drones in EvE. By time anything gets close enough for tracking to be an issue there is always a better option.
Under 40k bring out the garde.
By time things are close enough to cause the garde problems you have lights, mediums, gecko or some combination of these.
Pardon me and I hate to sound rude or disrespectful but anyone that has tracking issues with sentries during PvE activities is fail as a drones pilot. This all comes back to those lessons my parents taught me and it is something we see around here all the time, use the right tool for the job at hand and there are definitely times when sentries are not the right tool. Needing to move out to longer ranges is not a problem with the drones specifically, it is a problem with the pilot and applying the wrong tool for the job at hand.
Maybe you should actually run the event instead of spewing rhetoric. It doesn't matter how 'great' a pilot you are, the simple fact is when you warp to zero in the event everything spawns under 10km. Unless you dual-web the frigates, sentry drones (even Gardes) will have no chance of hitting them. And yes, you can deploy light drones - which is what most players do. But that wasn't the question; the question was why you have to warp at range to the event to be able to utilize sentries.
But what do I know... I've only run like 200 of these events - and watched countless players vainly deploying sentries to shoot targets.
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2017.02.19 15:35:39 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Maybe you should actually run the event instead of spewing rhetoric. It doesn't matter how 'great' a pilot you are, the simple fact is when you warp to zero in the event everything spawns under 10km. Unless you dual-web the frigates, sentry drones (even Gardes) will have no chance of hitting them. And yes, you can deploy light drones - which is what most players do. But that wasn't the question; the question was why you have to warp at range to the event to be able to utilize sentries.
But what do I know... I've only run like 200 of these events - and watched countless players vainly deploying sentries to shoot targets.
Running level 1 to 5 missions over the past 6 plus years in drones ships.
Running sleeper sites in worm holes for more than 2 years with drones ships.
PvP in low, nul and worm holes in drones ships.
And the list goes on and on, one does not need to run a specific mission, site, or event to have an understanding of how to use drones.
Anyone who launches sentry drones when things are less than 10k away is a fool, a failure as a drones pilot or perhaps both.
While you are technically correct that sentry drones have trouble hitting fast moving ships up close the reality is that they "do not" have tracking problems because they are snuggled safely away in the drones bay watching while their light or medium brothers take care of the things they are better suited to. Essentially there are no tracking problems with drones, there is only a pilot choosing the wrong drones for the situation.
Those pilots you watch struggling with sentries are complete failures as drones pilots.
1. they have no idea what drones they should take so they only take sentries thinking they are the answer to every situation.
2. they are stuck in the turret mentality of I "must" move my ship so my weapons are most effective when they really need to recall the sentries and use a more appropriately sized drone. |
Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2017.02.20 02:20:32 -
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Donnachadh wrote:Anyone who launches sentry drones when things are less than 10k away is a fool, a failure as a drones pilot or perhaps both.
Well, that was kind of my point. If you want to utilize sentry drones for this event you need to warp to a minimum of 20km (30km is ideal). Omnidirectional tracking links scripted for tracking speed help immensely as well.
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