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Lord Frost Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2017.02.11 04:46:34 - [1] - Quote 10 year player coming back to nothing but ganks and scrubs. I spent billions trying to set up a citadel. Long hours gathering and consolidating my assets only to have pieces of **** destroy all what you've worked for. I know the risk, but obviously when you can't even haul fuel without getting ganked... well I'm glad to quit once again. I'm sure I'll get backlash from you all, but this post isn't for you. It's for me and the hopes it reaches someone at CCP. You game has gone to the wayside. I'm so glad I sold my old toon for $1000 on eBay. Well worth it. At least there are people vested enough in this game to pay that. Cheers all... and fly safe.
Merias Tylar al-Akhwa Order of Contention 38	Posted - 2017.02.11 04:48:10 - [2] - Quote This post contains enough salt to last us for years to come. That will be your legacy, and I thank you for it. You should have chosen your construction site more carefully. This loss is your own fault- no one else's. Loss is a necessary part of a persistent universe. You should know this if you're such an old time player, which I highly doubt. Carelessness means death, 10/10, game is working as intended. Wayside my ass.
Lord Frost Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2017.02.11 04:51:28 - [3] - Quote Merias Tylar al-Akhwa wrote: This post contains enough salt to last us for years to come. That will be your legacy, and I thank you for it. You should have chosen your construction site more carefully. This loss is your own fault, no one else's. Nah. It's the people who play this game. It's a gank fest of scrubs. Not the game I want to play. Not my fault YOU the people who make up the game are scrubs. But hey... tell yourself what you want to make you feel better about my opinion.
Merias Tylar al-Akhwa Order of Contention 38	Posted - 2017.02.11 05:00:45 - [4] - Quote I always find it adorable in any game when someone loses because of their own incompetence and blunder and resorts to shouting names at the people who defeated them as their only recourse. This failure of a player should stand as an example to actual players; Be careful when planning to undock with billions of ISK in assets. Be aware of your surroundings. Make sure your course is clear and your construction site is at least modestly safe or better yet protected by your alliance. And now to address the abject lesson in the room's latest attempt at insults... Lord Frost wrote: Not my fault YOU the people who make up the game are scrubs. But hey... tell yourself what you want to make you feel better about my opinion. Show me on the doll where the big bad gankers touched you.
Scipio Artelius Savage Moon Society 46843	Posted - 2017.02.11 05:05:52 - [5] - Quote Every loss is our own fault. No one else's. Hope you find a game that holds your hand enough to keep you happy.
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 58430	Posted - 2017.02.11 05:19:50 - [6] - Quote Sorry to hear about your game experience. I agree, this game isn't like it was back 8+ years ago which is why I rarely log in now. DMC 'The Plan' \| California Eve Players \| Proposal - The Endless Battle
Aaron Eternal Frontier 447	Posted - 2017.02.11 05:20:00 - [7] - Quote Lord Frost wrote: 10 year player coming back to nothing but ganks and scrubs. I spent billions trying to set up a citadel. Long hours gathering and consolidating my assets only to have pieces of **** destroy all what you've worked for. I know the risk, but obviously when you can't even haul fuel without getting ganked... well I'm glad to quit once again. I'm sure I'll get backlash from you all, but this post isn't for you. It's for me and the hopes it reaches someone at CCP. Your game has gone to the wayside. I'm so glad I sold my old toon for $1000 on eBay. Well worth it. At least there are people vested enough in this game to pay that. Cheers all... and fly safe. Accept that there are counter arguments in the scenario you have presented and there are different styles of play that can avoid being ganked. If you couldnt be bothered to haul you could of contracted it too someone who is bothered for a surprisingly small fee. You could have made your loads smaller or used a cov ops hauler for a better chance at survival. A ganker could turn a small profit from your loot at a small loss to themselves thats all that really happened here. I think you were hasty in selling your toon and that you could have talked to a few more people before building the citadel. Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Pleasure Hub Node-514 Pleasure Hub Hotline 195	Posted - 2017.02.11 05:28:03 - [8] - Quote On your way out, can the person who bought your character give ISK and stuff to poster below me? *'One night hauler'* The tell all story of a pleasure bot in Jita 4-4
TackyTachy1 Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 139	Posted - 2017.02.11 05:47:18 - [9] - Quote I love it when they crash and burn and it's everybody's fault but theirs. Yes, I've been engulfed in fiery anger and even quit (30 hrs!) once but the thing is for every loss there was a reason, something done or not done, focused one way when I should've been paying attention another way and something I should do the next time. This place kind of reminds of the time so many years ago when I was a dirt track racer. You took your licks, give'em back and there was always next Saturday night. Although I ran up front most of the time I never won a race, just like here in Eve I've few kills amongst multiple characters/accounts. I'm not going to say I love it, but I'm going on year four and I'll probably be around for a while yet. I'm hard core space opera, and this is like living the life. Forum Rep for a bunch of characters, couple corps and one seriously Lost In Space multiboxer.
Scipio Artelius Savage Moon Society 46845	Posted - 2017.02.11 05:47:20 - [10] - Quote Pleasure Hub Node-514 wrote: On your way out, can the person who bought your character give ISK and stuff to poster below me? This is a very good idea. Edit: foiled by 2 seconds. Please give faster internet. Australia needs it.
Tanuki Kittybeta Ripperoni in Pepperoni Trigger Warnings 87	Posted - 2017.02.11 05:52:01 - [11] - Quote more like lord salt lol
Hir Miriel Elves In Space 298	Posted - 2017.02.11 05:53:52 - [12] - Quote I've always thought that EVE should graduate the risk levels out more broadly, to accommodate more playstyles. Stuff like citadels, needs a low risk option and then graduate out to higher risk, because people love building houses in virtual games. As it is now though citadels are later game content, not for new players, even though they are a perfect piece of content for attracting new players. ~ ~~ Thinking inside Schrodinger's sandbox. ~~ ~
Leahzon University of Caille Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2017.02.11 05:56:02 - [13] - Quote Yeah Eve sucks. If you don't want to sell yourself out to some fascist alliance your pretty much out of luck with this game. Eve is a game for the weak minded who prefer monotonous activity with someone telling them what to do. This game is not for people with a will of their own.
Pleasure Hub Node-514 Pleasure Hub Hotline 196	Posted - 2017.02.11 06:02:36 - [14] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Pleasure Hub Node-514 wrote: On your way out, can the person who bought your character give ISK and stuff to poster below me? This is a very good idea. Edit: foiled by 2 seconds. Please give faster internet. Australia needs it. I am confused. I was told Australians did not want fast internet? *'One night hauler'* The tell all story of a pleasure bot in Jita 4-4
Merias Tylar al-Akhwa Order of Contention 58	Posted - 2017.02.11 06:09:58 - [15] - Quote Leahzon wrote: Yeah Eve sucks. If you don't want to sell yourself out to some fascist alliance your pretty much out of luck with this game. Eve is a game for the weak minded who prefer monotonous activity with someone telling them what to do. This game is not for people with a will of their own. Guess I missed that memo! I've been playing the game for myself with occasional cooperation with real world friends for years without selling my soul out to fascists. Where do I need to go to get this apparently mandatory fascism in order to keep playing?
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 5908	Posted - 2017.02.11 06:34:39 - [16] - Quote Leahzon wrote: Yeah Eve sucks. If you don't want to sell yourself out to some fascist alliance your pretty much out of luck with this game. Eve is a game for the weak minded who prefer monotonous activity with someone telling them what to do. This game is not for people with a will of their own. And yet more justification for not letting Alpha's post on the forums. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Legion 18579	Posted - 2017.02.11 06:45:34 - [17] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Sorry to hear about your game experience. I agree, this game isn't like it was back 8+ years ago which is why I rarely log in now. DMC Its more safe for one.
Shiloh Templeton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 590	Posted - 2017.02.11 07:28:56 - [18] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: I agree, this game isn't like it was back 8+ years ago which is why I rarely log in now. DMC I've always respected your knowledge, helpfulness and positive attitude on the forums. In what way do you feel the game is different now?
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 1251	Posted - 2017.02.11 07:55:26 - [19] - Quote Shiloh Templeton wrote: DeMichael Crimson wrote: I agree, this game isn't like it was back 8+ years ago which is why I rarely log in now. DMC I've always respected your knowledge, helpfulness and positive attitude on the forums. In what way do you feel the game is different now? Hes butthurt that I wont like his posts back as much. LOL RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNN........................DMC PS- I had nothing to add to the topic, just lurking. Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 5444	Posted - 2017.02.11 07:58:15 - [20] - Quote Honestly, Citadels aren't really all they're cracked up to be at the moment. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 3437	Posted - 2017.02.11 08:32:38 - [21] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Pleasure Hub Node-514 wrote: On your way out, can the person who bought your character give ISK and stuff to poster below me? This is a very good idea. Edit: foiled by 2 seconds. Please give faster internet. Australia needs it. Lol, you know you ask for a ban? The char in question was RMTed, so I would be careful wanting any interaction with it. I'm my own NPC alt.
Scipio Artelius Savage Moon Society 46846	Posted - 2017.02.11 08:46:54 - [22] - Quote Tipa Riot wrote: Lol, you know you ask for a ban? The char in question was RMTed, so I would be careful wanting any interaction with it. Yeah, call me suspicious. Without evidence I'm a bit sceptical that someone paid $1000 for the OPs character.
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 58433	Posted - 2017.02.11 08:49:29 - [23] - Quote Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: Shiloh Templeton wrote: DeMichael Crimson wrote: I agree, this game isn't like it was back 8+ years ago which is why I rarely log in now. DMC I've always respected your knowledge, helpfulness and positive attitude on the forums. In what way do you feel the game is different now? Hes butthurt that I wont like his posts back as much. LOL RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNN........................DMC PS- I had nothing to add to the topic, just lurking. I'm not butt hurt about anything. Doesn't matter if players like what I say or not, everyone has their own opinion about the game. I use to log in for hours upon hours with downtime being my reminder to get some sleep. However due to constant nerfing over the years, first initiated by Soundwave & Co, I've slowly lost interest in this game. I still log in every once in a while, holding on to the hope that this game will eventually revert back to the great glory it once was. I'm not going to list all the things that I feel have changed this game for the worst because quite frankly I don't feel like getting into a debate / forum thread war about it. And no I'm not going to quit since this is still the best space game around. In fact to use a meme from CCP, I'll be here ready to say 'I Was There' when Eve finally has it's last downtime and the servers shut down for good. DMC 'The Plan' \| California Eve Players \| Proposal - The Endless Battle
Reinhardt Kreiss TetraVaal Tactical Group 192	Posted - 2017.02.11 09:13:00 - [24] - Quote Lord Frost wrote: 10 year player coming back to nothing but ganks and scrubs. Uhm, YOU are the scrub.
P3ps1 Max Hedion University Amarr Empire 50	Posted - 2017.02.11 09:20:36 - [25] - Quote I'm confused, was the loss on the undock of jita or where you anchored your new home?
Indahmawar Fazmarai 5536	Posted - 2017.02.11 09:34:01 - [26] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: (...) In fact to use a meme from CCP, I'll be here ready to say 'I Was There' when Eve finally has it's last downtime and the servers shut down for good. DMC At one point, I re-subbed Ishtanchuk just so her name was at the monument, since I feel that it will be the only tombstone that EVE will have. I wonder how many dead names are in that monument now. Even if CCP hadn't accidentaled the list, I doubt anyone would dare to check the status of those names listed just 4 years ago... how many undocked in the last 30 days? 10%? 20%? Maybe one in three?
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 25604	Posted - 2017.02.11 10:08:21 - [27] - Quote 1000$ Can I have your stuff? Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him Osprey =ƒÜÇ GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Indahmawar Fazmarai 5538	Posted - 2017.02.11 10:23:21 - [28] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: 1000$ Can I have your stuff? Assuming it was real, I guess that CCP security team would be wielding a big grin as they checked IPs from the OP, then checked characters logged in from that IP, then matched it to characters suddenly loggin in from a totally different IP, then unleashing the OMGYOU'REOUTOFEVEFOREVER banhammer on all people involved. IF it was real.
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 25604	Posted - 2017.02.11 10:26:08 - [29] - Quote Hmm on second thought, I dont want OP's stuff anymore. Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him Osprey =ƒÜÇ GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Akane Togenada Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 43	Posted - 2017.02.11 11:39:32 - [30] - Quote Leahzon wrote: Yeah Eve sucks. If you don't want to sell yourself out to some fascist alliance your pretty much out of luck with this game. Eve is a game for the weak minded who prefer monotonous activity with someone telling them what to do. This game is not for people with a will of their own. So I guess this means that we in the Signal Cartel are what ... fascist hippies ? On a serious note I'm puzzled as to how you have come to this clearly wrong conclusion. EVE is actually a game where you can do anything you like and don-¦t have to listen to anyone. As a explorer I have complete freedom as to what I do and where I go and it's always a fascinating experience to see where I end up on my voyages.
Yebo Lakatosh Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance 49	Posted - 2017.02.11 11:42:38 - [31] - Quote Teckos Pech wrote: And yet more justification for not letting Alpha's post on the forums. May I show you where to block the most insolent ones m'lord? They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
Salvos Rhoska 2080	Posted - 2017.02.11 12:22:39 - [32] - Quote OP, its understandable you are upset. But its not CCPs fault, or the games, that your assets got destroyed. I think you didnt do enough researching on Citadels before you stated your project. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Torin Corax Game of Roams 230	Posted - 2017.02.11 12:57:24 - [33] - Quote Leahzon wrote: Yeah Eve sucks. If you don't want to sell yourself out to some fascist alliance your pretty much out of luck with this game. I'm not a member of any alliance, and I enjoy Eve. I (briefly) used to be a null-sec renter...didn't enjoy it, went back to doing other stuff. Should mention that I tend to rely on luck way more than I should when out and about in-game...overall it's been working so far. I will pay the price for it someday, but I'm ok with that, my choice after all. Quote: Eve is a game for the weak minded who prefer monotonous activity with someone telling them what to do. I'm not in the best position to judge my own strength of mind, however I'm not a fan of grind, still I enjoy Eve by "mixing up" my activities. I do tend to be one stubborn soab though, so I only let other people tell me what to do if it's necessary to the end goal of an activity ( eg. FC in a fleet op that I voluntarily joined). There is plenty of scope for individual gameplay in Eve. There is also plenty of scope for communal activities. In nearly every aspect of said communal activities there will be those who lead and those who follow. Comities don't make for terribly effective fleets. If you don't like being a follower, be a leader. You'd be hard pressed to find any corp/ alliance/ organization that isn't looking for FC's, group leaders, organizers etc. These people are worth their weight in moon-goo. Quote: This game is not for people with a will of their own. Assuming this is not just a troll post...I'm honestly astonished at how you could possibly come to this conclusion Over the last 10 years Eve has introduced me to some of the most dedicated, intelligent, strong-willed, disciplined and exceptional people I've ever met in a gaming community (or anywhere else for that matter)..so much so I often find myself wondering what the hell I'm doing playing this game
Wolfgang Jannesen The Evesploratory Society 26	Posted - 2017.02.11 13:49:08 - [34] - Quote I just wanted to pop and and give a good ol' 'Get Over Yourself!' To our OP.
Callimae Wiking Brigade The Devil's Warrior Alliance 21	Posted - 2017.02.11 13:56:58 - [35] - Quote Sorry to say this OP but its scum like you I hate in this game. I hope everything you have is perma banned. I'm happy you lost your citadel You deserve it. I hope they trace your old accounts and ban them too I lost my pride and joy account to accounts like you. Leave good riddance
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 5446	Posted - 2017.02.11 14:34:54 - [36] - Quote I always get a kick out of the replies to threads like these. At the rate the playerbase is declining the "HTFU or GTFO" campaign seems to be working... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 27560	Posted - 2017.02.11 14:53:55 - [37] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: I always get a kick out of the replies to threads like these. At the rate the playerbase is declining the "HTFU or GTFO" campaign seems to be working... The publicly available figures for the number of players online appears to be showing the opposite trend, peak numbers are 10-20k higher than this time last year and the low numbers are above average for the last year. HTFU or GTFO is not a new campaign, it's been running for nearly 14 years. In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded. New Player FAQ Feyd's Survival Pack
Indahmawar Fazmarai 5538	Posted - 2017.02.11 15:21:02 - [38] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Arthur Aihaken wrote: I always get a kick out of the replies to threads like these. At the rate the playerbase is declining the "HTFU or GTFO" campaign seems to be working... The publicly available figures for the number of players online appears to be showing the opposite trend, peak numbers are 10-20k higher than this time last year and the low numbers are above average for the last year. HTFU or GTFO is not a new campaign, it's been running for nearly 14 years. Oh come on... EVE went Freemium with Ascension, and that has boosted PCU temporally. Yet the trend is back to negative growth. Also, even with Ascension, the PCU for 2016 was below that of every year between 2009 and 2014. Even accounting the sudden collapse of June 2014, when PCU went down by 3,000 in two weeks an never bounced back, 2014 after the collapse still was a better year than 2016 was being until Ascension (34k average vs 30k average, with the first half of 2014 having a 41k average). Looks like people is GTFO. Whether that was intended or don't, there's ample room to discuss. But one thing is certain: EVE was growing for 10 years until 2013 and it's been going down since then. CCP has been using the usual tricks to keep the finances in good shape, but all those tricks have limitations. They won't adress a downward demographic trend, and eventually will be outpaced by the trend and money will become scarce.
Akaro Tripar School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 4	Posted - 2017.02.11 16:01:46 - [39] - Quote It's totally correct.... All this griefing and ganking in high has to stop or the game crumbles to dust....this is simply not state of the art anymore.... All that simply don't get this or argue against it 'cause a change would destroy their comforting neck in the woods are just blind...
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 5446	Posted - 2017.02.11 16:06:16 - [40] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: The publicly available figures for the number of players online appears to be showing the opposite trend, peak numbers are 10-20k higher than this time last year and the low numbers are above average for the last year. Sure, but when you compare them to the numbers 4-5 years ago they are not very encouraging. Especially since we've seen a steady decline since Ascension (and the Winter months are usually peak numbers for EVE). I'm not trying to forebode dome and gloom here, but the numbers are once again trending down. And this time there are very few tricks CCP has left to pull out off with having already implemented SKINs, skill injectors and F2P. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 27560	Posted - 2017.02.11 16:08:03 - [41] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Arthur Aihaken wrote: I always get a kick out of the replies to threads like these. At the rate the playerbase is declining the "HTFU or GTFO" campaign seems to be working... The publicly available figures for the number of players online appears to be showing the opposite trend, peak numbers are 10-20k higher than this time last year and the low numbers are above average for the last year. HTFU or GTFO is not a new campaign, it's been running for nearly 14 years. Oh come on... EVE went Freemium with Ascension, and that has boosted PCU temporally. Yet the trend is back to negative growth. Also, even with Ascension, the PCU for 2016 was below that of every year between 2009 and 2014. Even accounting the sudden collapse of June 2014, when PCU went down by 3,000 in two weeks an never bounced back, 2014 after the collapse still was a better year than 2016 was being until Ascension (34k average vs 30k average, with the first half of 2014 having a 41k average). Looks like people is GTFO. Whether that was intended or don't, there's ample room to discuss. But one thing is certain: EVE was growing for 10 years until 2013 and it's been going down since then. CCP has been using the usual tricks to keep the finances in good shape, but all those tricks have limitations. They won't adress a downward demographic trend, and eventually will be outpaced by the trend and money will become scarce. I didn't offer speculation as to the reason why player counts may be up or down, I merely pointed out that the figures appear to show a trend that is the opposite of that which the poster I quoted was presenting. In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded. New Player FAQ Feyd's Survival Pack
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 5447	Posted - 2017.02.11 16:16:00 - [42] - Quote The fact is the HTFU or GTFO campaign has been having an adverse effect for the past 4-5 years. If it weren't for SKINs, skill injectors and F2P - what would the "real" numbers for 2016 be? Unless CCP pulls a rabbit put of the hat I think we're going to see the numbers for 2017 literally fall off a cliff. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Daemun Khanid Calculated Miscalculation 689	Posted - 2017.02.11 16:25:35 - [43] - Quote Seriously? Where are the cops when you actually need one? aka WTF is this thread not locked yet when other, more reasonable threads get locked within seconds of being posted? Daemun of Khanid
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 5447	Posted - 2017.02.11 16:28:46 - [44] - Quote Daemun Khanid wrote: Seriously? Where are the cops when you actually need one? aka WTF is this thread not locked yet when other, more reasonable threads get locked within seconds of being posted? The cops all HTFU and GTFO, so now we're left to police ourself. Whoop whoop - there go the Space Police... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 27561	Posted - 2017.02.11 16:47:13 - [45] - Quote Daemun Khanid wrote: Seriously? Where are the cops when you actually need one? aka WTF is this thread not locked yet when other, more reasonable threads get locked within seconds of being posted? Cops? I think you misunderstand the nature of law enforcement in Eve. Cops in Eve come in faction varieties and are gunning for people with either a low security status or poor faction standings, you can fight them, you can evade them, you can even farm them. Concord on the other hand aren't cops, they're more akin to UN peacekeepers in that their mission is to maintain the peace between the empires and to make sure that capsuleer aggression doesn't spill over to the non capsuleer population. They're not there to protect us from each other, they're there to protect everybody else from us. You can't fight them, you can't evade them and if you find a way of doing so you'll attract the attention of the people who wield the ban-hammer. In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded. New Player FAQ Feyd's Survival Pack
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 1468	Posted - 2017.02.11 16:47:37 - [46] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: All this griefing and ganking in high has to stop or the game crumbles to dust....this is simply not state of the art anymore....in neither way.... I always wonder how people come to this conclusion. I've been living right beside Uedama since late 2011. I'm traveling with haulers and everything else through this system. I've moved billions in bpos through Niarja and Uedama. Not to speak of those pricey rigs I moved all the way from Amarr to Rens in a fast aligning almost untanked Sigil, when that guy manipulated the rig market back in 2012. Anybody in a instalocking Nado could have one shot that thing. Not that I would have cared at the time. Profits would have easily paid for the loss of a Sigil or two including the cargo . All that went boom in HS in the last six years is a Retriever to Immortalis one month into the game, a noobship caught by Tora's guys and a shuttle lately, to that smartbombing Maller pilot in Jita. All my Freighters, Orcas, T1 Haulers, BRs and DSTs are in good health, assembled and in use for years. I don't even bother to insure them. It would just be a waste of isk. I've been mining unmolested for extended periods just a couple of jumps out of Halaima. Sure, I haven't done it lately, but I doubt it's any worse now than 2 years ago. In my opinion, HS is way safer today than it was in 2011. Remove standings and insurance.
Indahmawar Fazmarai 5539	Posted - 2017.02.11 16:51:10 - [47] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Arthur Aihaken wrote: I always get a kick out of the replies to threads like these. At the rate the playerbase is declining the "HTFU or GTFO" campaign seems to be working... The publicly available figures for the number of players online appears to be showing the opposite trend, peak numbers are 10-20k higher than this time last year and the low numbers are above average for the last year. HTFU or GTFO is not a new campaign, it's been running for nearly 14 years. Oh come on... EVE went Freemium with Ascension, and that has boosted PCU temporally. Yet the trend is back to negative growth. Also, even with Ascension, the PCU for 2016 was below that of every year between 2009 and 2014. Even accounting the sudden collapse of June 2014, when PCU went down by 3,000 in two weeks an never bounced back, 2014 after the collapse still was a better year than 2016 was being until Ascension (34k average vs 30k average, with the first half of 2014 having a 41k average). Looks like people is GTFO. Whether that was intended or don't, there's ample room to discuss. But one thing is certain: EVE was growing for 10 years until 2013 and it's been going down since then. CCP has been using the usual tricks to keep the finances in good shape, but all those tricks have limitations. They won't adress a downward demographic trend, and eventually will be outpaced by the trend and money will become scarce. I didn't offer speculation as to the reason why player counts may be up or down, I merely pointed out that the figures appear to show a trend that is the opposite of that which the poster I quoted was presenting. How's the word for shameless lies now? "Alternative facts"? I think so... Well, if you're to cherrypick the data to prove your "alternative facts", then you always will be right... but unfortunately, the data are there for everyone else to check & compare.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 27561	Posted - 2017.02.11 16:52:28 - [48] - Quote ^^ Likewise, I've spent a lot of time in Sivala, right next door to Uedama. I've hauled stuff through Uedama on a regular basis, hell I've mined in Uedama and have never been shot at while doing either. In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded. New Player FAQ Feyd's Survival Pack
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 27562	Posted - 2017.02.11 16:58:36 - [49] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: I didn't offer speculation as to the reason why player counts may be up or down, I merely pointed out that the figures appear to show a trend that is the opposite of that which the poster I quoted was presenting. How's the word for shameless lies now? "Alternative facts"? I think so... Where's the lie? Quote: Well, if you're to cherrypick the data to prove your "alternative facts", then you always will be right... but unfortunately, the data are there for everyone else to check & compare. I haven't tried to obfuscate the data source or time period that I used, nor as previously stated have I speculated on any reasons behind the apparent upward trend; I was also very careful with my choice of words, the especially relevant one being *appears*. In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded. New Player FAQ Feyd's Survival Pack
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 1468	Posted - 2017.02.11 17:01:45 - [50] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: ^^ Likewise, I've spent a lot of time in Sivala, right next door to Uedama. I've hauled stuff through Uedama on a regular basis, hell I've mined in Uedama and have never been shot at while doing either. Same here . Been mining right in Uedama too. But you learn how gankers operate if you stay atk and watch your surroundings, so I moved a couple of jumps . Remove standings and insurance.
Akaro Tripar School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 4	Posted - 2017.02.11 17:12:39 - [51] - Quote Mara Pahrdi wrote: Akaro Tripar wrote: All this griefing and ganking in high has to stop or the game crumbles to dust....this is simply not state of the art anymore....in neither way.... I always wonder how people come to this conclusion. Because it's simply the truth? The "fact" that you don't get ganked often only proves that you are lucky nothing more....or don't take the "risk" of flying around..... It's no proof that you don't get ganked flying always the same routes over and over again if the gankrate in others is extremely high.... The solution here is not that the PLAYER has to adept to it....no.... CCP has to make ganking impossible.... And THIS demand is here since the game exists and not new....seems to prove to me that it always was a problem,but ccp ignored it to keep their dream of a "special" game alive.... Well...it's time for a change because of a changed market and cosmetic changes like the alphas will nit help to keep the game alive...only a 180-¦ turnaround.....
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 3105	Posted - 2017.02.11 18:16:36 - [52] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: Mara Pahrdi wrote: Akaro Tripar wrote: All this griefing and ganking in high has to stop or the game crumbles to dust....this is simply not state of the art anymore....in neither way.... I always wonder how people come to this conclusion. Because it's simply the truth? The "fact" that you don't get ganked often only proves that you are lucky nothing more....or don't take the "risk" of flying around..... It's no proof that you don't get ganked flying always the same routes over and over again if the gankrate in others is extremely high.... The solution here is not that the PLAYER has to adept to it....no.... CCP has to make ganking impossible.... And THIS demand is here since the game exists and not new....seems to prove to me that it always was a problem,but ccp ignored it to keep their dream of a "special" game alive.... Well...it's time for a change because of a changed market and cosmetic changes like the alphas will not help to keep the game alive...only a 180-¦ turnaround..... "Eve is Dying! It is totally going to die this time guys! CCP, I really mean it. Those other carebears that said the same thing over the last 14 years? They were wrong. But really, now, for sure, Eve will die if you don't make highsec completely safe and you will lose your job and your children will starve!" The 8 Golden Rules of Eve Why Do They Gank?
Akane Togenada Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 45	Posted - 2017.02.11 18:19:38 - [53] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: The "fact" that you don't get ganked often only proves that you are lucky nothing more....or don't take the "risk" of flying around..... It's no proof that you don't get ganked flying always the same routes over and over again if the gankrate in others is extremely high.... The solution here is not that the PLAYER has to adept to it....no.... CCP has to make ganking impossible.... And THIS demand is here since the game exists and not new....seems to prove to me that it always was a problem,but ccp ignored it to keep their dream of a "special" game alive.... Well...it's time for a change because of a changed market and cosmetic changes like the alphas will not help to keep the game alive...only a 180-¦ turnaround..... Oh please, just give up your flawed argumentation. Even though there is a small part of not getting ganked that's based on luck about 90 % of it have to do with knowledge and intelligence gathering. People that keep getting ganked over and over are ignorant, there's really no other possible explanation for it.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 27563	Posted - 2017.02.11 18:43:59 - [54] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: The publicly available figures for the number of players online appears to be showing the opposite trend, peak numbers are 10-20k higher than this time last year and the low numbers are above average for the last year. Sure, but when you compare them to the numbers 4-5 years ago they are not very encouraging. Especially since we've seen a steady decline since Ascension (and the Winter months are usually peak numbers for EVE). That's a fair point, and certainly less confrontational than Indahmawar's post. Quote: I'm not trying to forebode dome and gloom here, but the numbers are once again trending down. I would agree that they're settling after the initial interest in clone states, however the numbers are still better than they have been for a couple of years. It's too early to tell how many alphas upgrade or actively play as alphas long term, the next 12 months will show whether or not CCP's new approach works; to be honest I hope it does. The option of being able to play for free may well attract those who are looking for a game like Eve, and there's very few of them, but who were put off by the sub requirement to even log in. Unfortunately such an option also attracts those that are just looking for (insert MMO of choice) in space, and the freedoms afforded by Eve are an affront to their years of accumulated MMO preconceptions, some of them would like to see Eve become (insert MMO of choice) in space, these players tend to get short thrift. Overall if it leads to a higher retention rate and active players regardless of clone state that is mostly a good thing, we can separate the wheat from the chaff with explosions. Quote: And this time there are very few tricks CCP has left with having already implemented SKINs, skill injectors and F2P. All that's really left is paid content in the form of game expansions, unique ships and modules. They've always got the option of reversing some of the mechanics changes they've made over the years, most of which were attempts to patch stupid. Quote: Unless a sale is in the works with EA or some other entity (which wouldn't surprise me, either). Dead in a week. EA are not popular folks round here. In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded. New Player FAQ Feyd's Survival Pack
Vortexo VonBrenner Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning 2658	Posted - 2017.02.11 18:53:44 - [55] - Quote 10 years, eh? ...right... EvE security zones in pictures EvE quick reference pdf EvE links
Major Xadi Mercenary Logistics Ltd. 71	Posted - 2017.02.11 18:54:31 - [56] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: Mara Pahrdi wrote: Akaro Tripar wrote: All this griefing and ganking in high has to stop or the game crumbles to dust....this is simply not state of the art anymore....in neither way.... I always wonder how people come to this conclusion. Because it's simply the truth? The "fact" that you don't get ganked often only proves that you are lucky nothing more....or don't take the "risk" of flying around..... It's no proof that you don't get ganked flying always the same routes over and over again if the gankrate in others is extremely high.... The solution here is not that the PLAYER has to adept to it....no.... CCP has to make ganking impossible.... And THIS demand is here since the game exists and not new....seems to prove to me that it always was a problem,but ccp ignored it to keep their dream of a "special" game alive.... Well...it's time for a change because of a changed market and cosmetic changes like the alphas will not help to keep the game alive...only a 180-¦ turnaround..... Mmm, mmm, mmm. You must be of that generation that needs "safe spaces". Or received "participation trophies". I come from a generation where this kind of whining meant getting ganked in rl. You didn't dare whine like this in public. But then, not many of us wanted to. And winners got trophies and losers accepted defeat with grace and built character. You don't seem to have the strength of character to deal with losses and rebuild or regroup. You don't seem to want to learn how to play the game on its terms. You seek to impose your own. I've ganked and been ganked. That's part, just part, of the game. Stop your whining. Your embarrassing yourself. Learn how to play the game or get out and go play spider solitaire.
Vortexo VonBrenner Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning 2658	Posted - 2017.02.11 19:16:19 - [57] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Assuming it was real, I guess that CCP security team would be wielding a big grin as they checked IPs from the OP, then checked characters logged in from that IP, then matched it to characters suddenly loggin in from a totally different IP, then unleashing the OMGYOU'REOUTOFEVEFOREVER banhammer on all people involved. IF it was real. Indeed. OP just ripped off in real life the guy who (supposedly) paid real money for his character by outing it on forums and complains about people doing "bad" thing in a video game. EvE security zones in pictures EvE quick reference pdf EvE links
Quinn Hatfield The Scope Gallente Federation 59	Posted - 2017.02.11 19:20:41 - [58] - Quote Major Xadi wrote: Mmm, mmm, mmm. You must be of that generation that needs "safe spaces". Or received "participation trophies". I come from a generation where this kind of whining meant getting ganked in rl. You didn't dare whine like this in public. But then, not many of us wanted to. And winners got trophies and losers accepted defeat with grace and built character. You don't seem to have the strength of character to deal with losses and rebuild or regroup. You don't seem to want to learn how to play the game on its terms. You seek to impose your own. I've ganked and been ganked. That's part, just part, of the game. Stop your whining. Your embarrassing yourself. Learn how to play the game or get out and go play spider solitaire. Imagine a world where the group you refer to had played the likes of Manic Miner as kids, Eve's learning cliff is a gentle slope compared to those early games. I don't burn bridges, I merely steal a bolt a day.
Major Xadi Mercenary Logistics Ltd. 72	Posted - 2017.02.11 19:40:58 - [59] - Quote Quinn Hatfield wrote: Major Xadi wrote: Mmm, mmm, mmm. You must be of that generation that needs "safe spaces". Or received "participation trophies". I come from a generation where this kind of whining meant getting ganked in rl. You didn't dare whine like this in public. But then, not many of us wanted to. And winners got trophies and losers accepted defeat with grace and built character. You don't seem to have the strength of character to deal with losses and rebuild or regroup. You don't seem to want to learn how to play the game on its terms. You seek to impose your own. I've ganked and been ganked. That's part, just part, of the game. Stop your whining. Your embarrassing yourself. Learn how to play the game or get out and go play spider solitaire. Imagine a world where the group you refer to had played the likes of Manic Miner as kids, Eve's learning cliff is a gentle slope compared to those early games. Loved that article. Thanks for the link. Yeah, the days before game saves. When hours could be spent learning every intricate maneuver to beat the game.... only to lose your last life close to the end. And have to start over from the beginning. LOL I was out of high school when manic miner came out and I don't remember it. I do remember the days of game arcades and was undisputed best at one. http://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=7547 I would pay a few thousand $ to have a Major Havoc in my house. I never could beat that one.
Bjorn Tyrson EVE University Ivy League 160	Posted - 2017.02.11 19:56:00 - [60] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: Mara Pahrdi wrote: Akaro Tripar wrote: All this griefing and ganking in high has to stop or the game crumbles to dust....this is simply not state of the art anymore....in neither way.... I always wonder how people come to this conclusion. Because it's simply the truth? The "fact" that you don't get ganked often only proves that you are lucky nothing more....or don't take the "risk" of flying around..... It's no proof that you don't get ganked flying always the same routes over and over again if the gankrate in others is extremely high.... The solution here is not that the PLAYER has to adept to it....no.... CCP has to make ganking impossible.... And THIS demand is here since the game exists and not new....seems to prove to me that it always was a problem,but ccp ignored it to keep their dream of a "special" game alive.... Well...it's time for a change because of a changed market and cosmetic changes like the alphas will not help to keep the game alive...only a 180-¦ turnaround..... "Every time I fly this route carrying expensive cargo I get ganked" "well then maybe try a different route, or fly less expensive cargo?" "NO, THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED BY CCP. I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG." "other people manage to avoid getting ganked by not flying that predictable route, you know that right." "THATS NOT PROOF OF ANYTHING! CCP FIX THINGS SO I CAN KEEP BEING LAZY"
Mortlake Devils Rejects 666 2734	Posted - 2017.02.11 20:05:50 - [61] - Quote Orly? I was told to remove my signature, so I have.
000Hunter000 Missiles 'R' Us 114	Posted - 2017.02.11 20:28:54 - [62] - Quote before you leave, can i haz the remainder of ur stuffz? Oh, and ... EVE is DYING!!!!!!!1111ONE!!!!ELEVENTY!!!
Darth Kendari Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2017.02.11 20:49:47 - [63] - Quote http://eve-gatecheck.space/eve/
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 5910	Posted - 2017.02.11 23:20:34 - [64] - Quote Yebo Lakatosh wrote: Teckos Pech wrote: And yet more justification for not letting Alpha's post on the forums. May I show you where to block the most insolent ones m'lord? Can we get a "Block All Alpha Clones" button. Consider it a pre-emptive strike. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
Hazel TuckerTS University of Caille Gallente Federation 88	Posted - 2017.02.11 23:28:27 - [65] - Quote Lord Frost wrote: 10 year player coming back to nothing but ganks and scrubs. I spent billions trying to set up a citadel. Long hours gathering and consolidating my assets only to have pieces of **** destroy all what you've worked for. I know the risk, but obviously when you can't even haul fuel without getting ganked... well I'm glad to quit once again. I'm sure I'll get backlash from you all, but this post isn't for you. It's for me and the hopes it reaches someone at CCP. Your game has gone to the wayside. I'm so glad I sold my old toon for $1000 on eBay. Well worth it. At least there are people vested enough in this game to pay that. Cheers all... and fly safe. There are far better fames out there than eve. Give black desert a try code can lick my kevin schwantz at high noon in jita
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 5911	Posted - 2017.02.11 23:56:32 - [66] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: The fact is the HTFU or GTFO campaign has been having an adverse effect for the past 4-5 years. If it weren't for SKINs, skill injectors and F2P - what would the "real" numbers for 2016 be? Unless CCP pulls a rabbit put of the hat I think we're going to see the numbers for 2017 literally fall off a cliff. How do you explain the earlier years? And consider that things like ganking were, mechanically, easier in the past. There was insurance for ganking. CONCORD response times have been decreased (i.e. CONCORD responds faster), You can now tank your freighters, etc. Note that all of these things were supposed to reduce or eliminate ganking and yet it is still here and people are still whining for more nerfs.... In looking at war declarations what do we see. People whined about the costs of war decs, so that was changed and increased. War decs shifted to being more camping trade hubs and roaming the trade routes and less targeted small scale war decs. The increased prevalence of war dec alliances. Then the watchlist removal which really hammered targeted war decs. And what do we see...people are still whining about nerfing war decs even more. Whining about how trade hubs are camped and the trade routes are not safe. In short there have been attempts to make HS safer to cater these players who whine and whine and whine. And look, number of people logged in is also going down. Hmmmm....coincidence? Maybe. And then we look at CCPs attempt to quantify the effects of suicide ganking on people's time in game. The results are that getting ganked and also legal PvP increase people's duration in game. I know, I know that study is horribly flawed even though nobody can explain how. Every attempt to do so highlights that the person making the claim is actually ignorant about the analysis. There are valid criticisms about that presentation, but considering the critics of said study know f*k all about statistics they never raise them. However, these criticisms do not necessarily invalidate CCP Rise's presentation. The point is player-on-player interaction/competition is good for retention. CCP should be encouraging not discouraging it. If you go and look at PFaID. Alot of the ideas are how to make it "better for a player to ignore everyone else" when you get right down to it. Players who want freighter ganking stopped want less player-on-player interaction. Players who want to make war decs less common want less player-on-player interaction/competition. These suggestions are exactly the wrong way to go to retain players and bring in new ones. Eve was successful because it was a sandbox where you could interact in all sorts of different ways with the players. And as CCP has taken away that functionality, players logged in has been dropping. *Note in past discussion I have raised these criticisms, but I'm not about to go looking for them, do it yourself. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 5911	Posted - 2017.02.12 00:03:30 - [67] - Quote Mara Pahrdi wrote: Akaro Tripar wrote: All this griefing and ganking in high has to stop or the game crumbles to dust....this is simply not state of the art anymore....in neither way.... I always wonder how people come to this conclusion. I've been living right beside Uedama since late 2011. I'm traveling with haulers and everything else through this system. I've moved billions in bpos through Niarja and Uedama. Not to speak of those pricey rigs I moved all the way from Amarr to Rens in a fast aligning almost untanked Sigil, when that guy manipulated the rig market back in 2012. Anybody in a instalocking Nado could have one shot that thing. Not that I would have cared at the time. Profits would have easily paid for the loss of a Sigil or two including the cargo . All that went boom in HS in the last six years is a Retriever to Immortalis one month into the game, a noobship caught by Tora's guys and a shuttle lately, to that smartbombing Maller pilot in Jita. All my Freighters, Orcas, T1 Haulers, BRs and DSTs are in good health, assembled and in use for years. I don't even bother to insure them. It would just be a waste of isk. I've been mining unmolested for extended periods just a couple of jumps out of Halaima. Sure, I haven't done it lately, but I doubt it's any worse now than 2 years ago. In my opinion, HS is way safer today than it was in 2011. Same here. I did manage to lose a JF, but it was my fault. I took a risk and paid for it. No raging (well okay at myself for being an idiot), no blaming anyone else, etc. Fortunately I could replace the ship and came up with a way to mitigate that risk. I have mined on an alt in a 0.5 system. Never been bothered, let alone faced a gank attempt. Hauled billions around and through Niarja and Udama. Does it take extra work? Yup, that is one of the reasons why their are profits to be had in game, IMO. If we removed all player-on-player interaction that was non-consensual guess what would happen to profit margins throughout the game...they'd drop by alot, IMO. And if you are an industrial type if you watch your margins go from say 50% down to 10% or even 5% are you going to want to keep doing that kind of stuff? "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 5911	Posted - 2017.02.12 00:09:57 - [68] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: Mara Pahrdi wrote: Akaro Tripar wrote: All this griefing and ganking in high has to stop or the game crumbles to dust....this is simply not state of the art anymore....in neither way.... I always wonder how people come to this conclusion. Because it's simply the truth? The "fact" that you don't get ganked often only proves that you are lucky nothing more....or don't take the "risk" of flying around..... It's no proof that you don't get ganked flying always the same routes over and over again if the gankrate in others is extremely high.... The solution here is not that the PLAYER has to adept to it....no.... CCP has to make ganking impossible.... And THIS demand is here since the game exists and not new....seems to prove to me that it always was a problem,but ccp ignored it to keep their dream of a "special" game alive.... Well...it's time for a change because of a changed market and cosmetic changes like the alphas will not help to keep the game alive...only a 180-¦ turnaround..... So let me get this straight, ganking is really just a lottery. There is no thought that goes into, it is just that the gankers decide to gank people randomly? Bullshit. Gankers pick retrievers because they can be ganked. They avoid procurors and skiffs (unless they are very badly fit). Freighters that get ganked are generally carrying way, way too much cargo value. You quite clearly ignorant of what goes on with ganking. Here is a hint: try it. Go ask CODE. if you can go ganking with them. You'll probably learn alot. And that way you can post based on hands on actual experience vs. ignorance. And making ganking impossible? Thank you for proving my earlier comment that it is players like you who want to limit player-on-player interaction. That you don't understand the basic nature of the game, and that so far to date, research shows that limiting player-on-player interaction actually will reduce player retention rates. It is views like yours that are the true cancer in EVE. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
Clockwork Robot Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 32	Posted - 2017.02.12 00:18:52 - [69] - Quote I feel like it's maybe a little too... easy to troll the "hardcore" crowd these days... For all the "git gud" mentality you guys espouse, with the "tearz" silliness... You're all surprisingly thin-skinned over the idea of someone not getting into your style of play.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1483	Posted - 2017.02.12 00:41:26 - [70] - Quote Clockwork Robot wrote: I feel like it's maybe a little too... easy to troll the "hardcore" crowd these days... For all the "git gud" mentality you guys espouse, with the "tearz" silliness... You're all surprisingly thin-skinned over the idea of someone not getting into your style of play. That's ok. That's balanced by the not hardcore crowd being thin skinned over the style of play to begin with. Swings and roundabouts. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 27577	Posted - 2017.02.12 00:42:55 - [71] - Quote Clockwork Robot wrote: I feel like it's maybe a little too... easy to troll the "hardcore" crowd these days... For all the "git gud" mentality you guys espouse, with the "tearz" silliness... You're all surprisingly thin-skinned over the idea of someone not getting into your style of play. It's not that people aren't getting the style of play, it's that despite years of nerfs people are still proposing that those playstyles be nerfed further because the people they were aimed were able to adapt in order to continue in their playstyle. They've been under attack from people who think highsec should be not safer, but safe for over a decade Ganking, wardecs and other highsec shenanigans have always been a part of Eve, highsec was never intended to be safesec and that these activities are allowed is part of that intention. Unfortunately the number of ways to introduce risk to otherwise relatively risk free playstyles has been reduced at the behest of some who indulge in those relatively risk free playstyles; who utterly failed to account for the ability of people to adapt to change. In the case of changes to suicide ganking and wardecs the often unheeded lesson has been to be careful what you wish for, you might get it. In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded. New Player FAQ Feyd's Survival Pack
Bertok Francis Raiju 19	Posted - 2017.02.12 00:59:53 - [72] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Clockwork Robot wrote: I feel like it's maybe a little too... easy to troll the "hardcore" crowd these days... For all the "git gud" mentality you guys espouse, with the "tearz" silliness... You're all surprisingly thin-skinned over the idea of someone not getting into your style of play. It's not that people aren't getting the style of play, it's that despite years of nerfs people are still proposing that those playstyles be nerfed further because the people they were aimed were able to adapt in order to continue in their playstyle. They've been under attack from people who think highsec should be not safer, but safe for over a decade Ganking, wardecs and other highsec shenanigans have always been a part of Eve, highsec was never intended to be safesec and that these activities are allowed is part of that intention. Unfortunately the number of ways to introduce risk to otherwise relatively risk free playstyles has been reduced at the behest of some who indulge in those relatively risk free playstyles; who utterly failed to account for the ability of people to adapt to change. In the case of changes to suicide ganking and wardecs the often unheeded lesson has been to be careful what you wish for, you might get it. Well, wardecks could use some work; atm the best way to win a war-deck as the defender is by just using an alpha clone hauler alt. Most things can be moved by an iterion 5 and if you tank it right and don't carry plex or anything else stupidly expensive it's not likely to be ganked. So far I have had a few weeks of being wardecked in my 4 or so months of playing and it's pretty much boiled down to "avoid x trade hub for a week" I have never seen a war target in local and a locator agent would usually be useless against me (go ahead and try to find Jxxxxxx so you can kill my 500k isk heron) it would be nice if there was an actual objective or victory condition because as is they seem pretty pointless.
Clockwork Robot Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 32	Posted - 2017.02.12 01:02:42 - [73] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Clockwork Robot wrote: I feel like it's maybe a little too... easy to troll the "hardcore" crowd these days... For all the "git gud" mentality you guys espouse, with the "tearz" silliness... You're all surprisingly thin-skinned over the idea of someone not getting into your style of play. It's not that people aren't getting the style of play, it's that despite years of nerfs, people are still proposing that those playstyles be nerfed further because the people they were aimed were able to adapt in order to continue in their playstyle. They've been under attack from people who think highsec should be not safer, but safe; but refuse to put any effort into ensuring their own safety, for over a decade. Ganking, wardecs and other highsec shenanigans have always been a part of Eve, highsec was never intended to be safesec and that those activities are allowed is part of that intention. Unfortunately the number of ways to introduce risk to otherwise relatively risk free playstyles has been reduced at the behest of some who indulge in those relatively risk free playstyles; who utterly failed to account for the ability of people to adapt to change. In the case of changes to suicide ganking and wardecs the often unheeded lesson has been to be careful what you wish for, you might get it. Or it could be that people post these topics to troll you.
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 5451	Posted - 2017.02.12 01:11:21 - [74] - Quote So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
NofriendNoLifeStilPostin State War Academy Caldari State 21	Posted - 2017.02.12 01:28:33 - [75] - Quote its true the game is ****. They really need to create penalties for suicide ganking so it will be less of a joke.
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 5451	Posted - 2017.02.12 01:35:56 - [76] - Quote NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote: its true the game is ***. They really need to create penalties for suicide ganking so it will be less of a joke. The penalty in high-sec is that you die if you commit a criminal act. Is that not sufficient enough? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.*
MadMuppet A Better Corp Name 1170	Posted - 2017.02.12 01:46:27 - [77] - Quote I would like to see if the people that post these rants ever got more than 5 jumps from Jita, flew through Anamake, or spent their time flying the Jita-Amarr corridor only. In addition, how much time did they spend in autopilot (CCP.. NPE needs to teach people to NOT use autopilot!) This message brought to you by Experience(tm). When common sense fails you, experience will come to the rescue. Experience(tm) from the makers of CONCORD.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 27577	Posted - 2017.02.12 01:54:00 - [78] - Quote Clockwork Robot wrote: Or it could be that people post these topics to troll you. There is that. Dammit Bertok Francis wrote: Well, wardecks could use some work; atm the best way to win a war-deck as the defender is by just using an alpha clone hauler alt. Most things can be moved by an iterion 5 and if you tank it right and don't carry plex or anything else stupidly expensive it's not likely to be ganked. So far I have had a few weeks of being wardecked in my 4 or so months of playing and it's pretty much boiled down to "avoid x trade hub for a week" I have never seen a war target in local and a locator agent would usually be useless against me (go ahead and try to find Jxxxxxx so you can kill my 500k isk heron) it would be nice if there was an actual objective or victory condition because as is they seem pretty pointless. I don't think you'll find many mercs that will disagree, wardecs are broken, the trick to fixing them is to find the balance between the wants of both the mercs, and those that they prey on. Once upon a time many of those mercs would use the watch-list and locator agents to figure out where and when people were active, and then hunt them down based on that intelligence; the watch-list got nerfed a while back because it was also used to watch for known titan pilots to come online and then go kill them. Victory conditions are currently between the parties involved, an official one would need to hashed out with the merc community before being implemented On a related notes mercs generally aren't just in it for padding their killboards, although shiny stuff is always a good kill. Some of them like the fun of "gud fites" too, and may accommodate what could be seen as "fair fights"* in terms of numbers and ship classes in order to get some, those that do so will may well be open to giving a breakdown of it afterwards in order to show areas for improvement. Something similar happened in the recent past when a corp beset by wardecs got help with leadership, tactics and doctrines from some of the merc community, both those that had them wardecced, and those that didn't, in order to ensure that everybody had fun. In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded. New Player FAQ Feyd's Survival Pack
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 5911	Posted - 2017.02.12 04:55:02 - [79] - Quote Ultimately EVE is a boring game. Missions...well they suck. Mining, it is boring as Hell. Most of the game is just boring. What makes it interesting is the freedom to engage in player-on-player interaction. That interaction can be "positive" and cooperative, e.g. incursion fleets, mining fleets, etc. They can be "negative" and non-cooperative, e.g. a player attacking another in LS or NS. They can even be both, e.g. a gate camp will have booth cooperation and helping each other, and non-cooperation and impeding another player. This great big "stew" gives rise to all sorts of things. And when players come and say they want to reduce this player-on-player interaction they want to reduce what EVE is. To the extent that CCP has listened to these players it has, IMO, been to the detriment of the game. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
Aaron Eternal Frontier 449	Posted - 2017.02.12 06:07:15 - [80] - Quote Teckos Pech wrote: Ultimately EVE is a boring game. Missions...well they suck. Mining, it is boring as Hell. Most of the game is just boring. What makes it interesting is the freedom to engage in player-on-player interaction. That interaction can be "positive" and cooperative, e.g. incursion fleets, mining fleets, etc. They can be "negative" and non-cooperative, e.g. a player attacking another in LS or NS. They can even be both, e.g. a gate camp will have booth cooperation and helping each other, and non-cooperation and impeding another player. This great big "stew" gives rise to all sorts of things. And when players come and say they want to reduce this player-on-player interaction they want to reduce what EVE is. To the extent that CCP has listened to these players it has, IMO, been to the detriment of the game. I agree. When I ran a hi sec corp years back all we used to do was missions. We got war decced and I was able to spring into action. I had a small group of 20 day old noobs and working together we got a couple of battlecruiser kills. More of them came to fight us and our corp fell apart. Looking back it was still a great experience it got us all involved and we had some good convos working out strategies. Regarding your CCP comments I think they should stick with the dark cold miserable and unforgiving nature of Eve because there are already more than enough tactics and play-styles in place to ensure a 0% loss if you're careful and take the time to listen to others. Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
NofriendNoLifeStilPostin State War Academy Caldari State 22	Posted - 2017.02.12 06:07:20 - [81] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote: its true the game is **. They really need to create penalties for suicide ganking so it will be less of a joke. The penalty in high-sec is that you die if you commit a criminal act. Is that not sufficient enough? its really not, since losing their ship is a cost they are willing to pay already just to in your corn flakes. This is a major part of why EVE is and a joke of a game for the most part.. Every thinking person seems to understand this except for brainless EVE kool-aid drinkers. Teckos Pech wrote:** Ultimately EVE is a boring game. Missions...well they suck. Mining, it is boring as Hell. Most of the game is just boring. it really doesn't have to be boring but unfortunately CCP are awful devs and there are church-goer kool-aid drinkers who seem to think everything is fine.
Aaron Eternal Frontier 449	Posted - 2017.02.12 06:24:19 - [82] - Quote NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote: its true the game is ****. They really need to create penalties for suicide ganking so it will be less of a joke. you perceive eve as a game? I see it as an experience. My very own mini scifi movie where I log in for a couple hours in the evening and become the star. If tonight's episode is about hauling valuable cargo then id gather intel do some scouting and make sure I was safe just like they do in the scifi films. Honestly the joke is not on CCP, it's actually on the people who subscribe and haven't got the patience to listen or do things carefully in game. Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 5462	Posted - 2017.02.12 06:54:50 - [83] - Quote Insofar as a $10/month subscription goes, it offers pretty good value. I don't get the concept of where something has to be free to have any kind of value. CCP should offer a Gamma clone upgrade that costs 1/2 the price of a regular subscription (PLEX = 2 months), bumps up the skill training and available skills (T2 ships up to and including battlecruisers - but no T3s or battleships). No skill extraction but skill injectors can be used. Would be a good stepping stone to an Omega clone. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 58445	Posted - 2017.02.12 07:06:59 - [84] - Quote Mara Pahrdi wrote: Akaro Tripar wrote: All this griefing and ganking in high has to stop or the game crumbles to dust....this is simply not state of the art anymore....in neither way.... I always wonder how people come to this conclusion. I've been living right beside Uedama since late 2011. I'm traveling with haulers and everything else through this system. I've moved billions in bpos through Niarja and Uedama. Not to speak of those pricey rigs I moved all the way from Amarr to Rens in a fast aligning almost untanked Sigil, when that guy manipulated the rig market back in 2012. Anybody in a instalocking Nado could have one shot that thing. Not that I would have cared at the time. Profits would have easily paid for the loss of a Sigil or two including the cargo . All that went boom in HS in the last six years is a Retriever to Immortalis one month into the game, a noobship caught by Tora's guys and a shuttle lately, to that smartbombing Maller pilot in Jita. All my Freighters, Orcas, T1 Haulers, BRs and DSTs are in good health, assembled and in use for years. I don't even bother to insure them. It would just be a waste of isk. I've been mining unmolested for extended periods just a couple of jumps out of Halaima. Sure, I haven't done it lately, but I doubt it's any worse now than 2 years ago. In my opinion, HS is way safer today than it was in 2011. Sorry, gotta call bullcrap on this and anybody else who agrees with it. DMC 'The Plan' \| California Eve Players \| Proposal - The Endless Battle
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 5914	Posted - 2017.02.12 07:46:54 - [85] - Quote Bertok Francis wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Clockwork Robot wrote: I feel like it's maybe a little too... easy to troll the "hardcore" crowd these days... For all the "git gud" mentality you guys espouse, with the "tearz" silliness... You're all surprisingly thin-skinned over the idea of someone not getting into your style of play. It's not that people aren't getting the style of play, it's that despite years of nerfs people are still proposing that those playstyles be nerfed further because the people they were aimed were able to adapt in order to continue in their playstyle. They've been under attack from people who think highsec should be not safer, but safe for over a decade Ganking, wardecs and other highsec shenanigans have always been a part of Eve, highsec was never intended to be safesec and that these activities are allowed is part of that intention. Unfortunately the number of ways to introduce risk to otherwise relatively risk free playstyles has been reduced at the behest of some who indulge in those relatively risk free playstyles; who utterly failed to account for the ability of people to adapt to change. In the case of changes to suicide ganking and wardecs the often unheeded lesson has been to be careful what you wish for, you might get it. Well, wardecks could use some work; atm the best way to win a war-deck as the defender is by just using an alpha clone hauler alt. Most things can be moved by an iterion 5 and if you tank it right and don't carry plex or anything else stupidly expensive it's not likely to be ganked. So far I have had a few weeks of being wardecked in my 4 or so months of playing and it's pretty much boiled down to "avoid x trade hub for a week" I have never seen a war target in local and a locator agent would usually be useless against me (go ahead and try to find Jxxxxxx so you can kill my 500k isk heron) it would be nice if there was an actual objective or victory condition because as is they seem pretty pointless. Malcanis had a very nice post on the issue of war decs. It was a thought experiment that tore away the fig leaves each side wore. Here is the thought experiment. The follow up post. Here is part of the follow up (empasis in the original), Quote: It's not a proposal, it's a thought experiment designed to illustrate the problem with war decs in the first place. War deccers generally don't like the idea beause it allows industrial corps to spend ISK to protect themselves. The Defending corps generally don't like it because it allows them to protect themselves by spending ISK. The experiment therefore illustrates the motivations behind both sides. in general, hi-sec war deccers are in it for low commitment, easy kill farming, with any profit being something of a bonus. So a system that requires them to commit ISK and which also allows the defender any agency in determining the terms of conflict is not popular with them. Likewise, the defenders in general don't want non-consensual PvP at all, and they want CCP to just stop it (see the post directly after the one I made above, for example.) So to them, the war-bond is a regressive step that they see as one more way of putting the responsibility for defending their ships and assets on them, rather than on CONCORD. In short, the issue with war-decs is that they are non-consensual PvP in a way that, for example, a war between two 0.0 alliances isn't. The 0.0 guys may complain about blobs or coalitions or cloaky camping or whatever, but that's just tactics. They're not complaining about the concept of another entity shooting at them at all. Wardecs on the other hand, typically involve a defender who doesn't want to engage in combat PvP at all. How can you reconcile that desire with the desire for other players to play a FFA PvP game? The War Bond addresses the fig-leaf justifications that both sides put up. Deccers constantly complain that defenders can just quite their corps and reform another, risking nothing and losing nothing but a name. Defenders complain that they have no way to use their playstyle to protect themselves, and that the wardeccers commit nothing and take no real risks. And yet when offered a mechanism that addresses these complaints, neither of them like it. In true EVE style, each want the other to do all the adapting. In short there is absolutely no way to address war decs that leave both sides happy. None. If war decs are going to be addressed then one side is going to get screwed. Lately, it has been the war dec side that has been getting screwed. And contrary to the claims of those who want to screw war deccers it has not resulted in a surge of subscriptions or retention. Anybody making such an argument is a mendacious ******* who should be driven from the game after being tarred and feathered. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
Yebo Lakatosh Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance 50	Posted - 2017.02.12 08:47:43 - [86] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: a changed market and cosmetic changes like the alphas will not help to keep the game alive Akaro Tripar wrote: cosmetic changes like the alphas Wot did ya just call me and me brothers? Beyond irritable fellow. I'd be tempted to plea for some well respected higher authorities to smack ya in the cheek, in hopes of 'em hearing my faint voice. But sounds you had that covered already. They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
Hiasa Kite Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 461	Posted - 2017.02.12 09:40:34 - [87] - Quote NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote: its really not, since losing their ship is a cost they are willing to pay already just to **** in your corn flakes. So everyone that plays EVE is willing to sacrifice their ship for a suicide gank. This is what you mean when you claim the penalties are not sufficient. Seeing as only a very small portion of the player base does it, we can conclude you're quite mistaken. May as well add:> This is a major part of why EVE is *** and a joke of a game for the most part.. Every thinking person seems to understand this except for brainless EVE kool-aid drinkers.* <^.^> I'm a cat lol
Keno Skir 1267	Posted - 2017.02.12 10:45:09 - [88] - Quote NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote: Arthur Aihaken wrote: NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote: its true the game is **. They really need to create penalties for suicide ganking so it will be less of a joke. The penalty in high-sec is that you die if you commit a criminal act. Is that not sufficient enough? its really not, since losing their ship is a cost they are willing to pay already just to in your corn flakes. This is a major part of why EVE is and a joke of a game for the most part.. Every thinking person seems to understand this except for brainless EVE kool-aid drinkers. Teckos Pech wrote: Ultimately EVE is a boring game. Missions...well they suck. Mining, it is boring as Hell. Most of the game is just boring. it really doesn't have to be boring but unfortunately CCP are awful devs and there are church-goer kool-aid drinkers who seem to think everything is fine. ^ Still lives on forums of a game he was never good enough to succeed at... Exacting the terrible vengeance of saying how rubbish EvE is 40 times a day.. <Gùï> 250,000 Bonus SP when you start an Alpha Clone HERE <Gùï> <Gùï> Contact me regarding my trusted Alliance Creation Service <Gùï>**
ACESsiggy Pandemic Shadow 69	Posted - 2017.02.12 10:53:20 - [89] - Quote So I guess I'll be seeing you on Star Citizen as well? Downloading Stellaris on steam currently -- STEAM gaming buddies have recommended it so I'm packing my bags and jumping ship o7 Could never get my buddies to join this game so GÇ£The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.GÇ¥
Indahmawar Fazmarai 5547	Posted - 2017.02.12 11:02:30 - [90] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: I didn't offer speculation as to the reason why player counts may be up or down, I merely pointed out that the figures appear to show a trend that is the opposite of that which the poster I quoted was presenting. How's the word for shameless lies now? "Alternative facts"? I think so... Where's the lie? If you're going to make such an accusation, the onus is on you to point out the lie. Quote: Well, if you're to cherrypick the data to prove your "alternative facts", then you always will be right... but unfortunately, the data are there for everyone else to check & compare. I haven't tried to obfuscate the data source or time period that I used, nor as previously stated have I speculated on any reasons behind the apparent upward trend; I was also very careful with my choice of words, the especially relevant one being *appears. It's very simple. The reason behind the higher PCU now than last year it's not an upward trend, rather a clearly visible spike* which is already receding. Spike =/= trend. The trend still is downwards, as it has been since CCP clarified the future development of EVE Online in 2013.

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Reinhardt Kreiss TetraVaal Tactical Group 199	Posted - 2017.02.12 11:37:34 - [92] - Quote ACESsiggy wrote: So I guess I'll be seeing you on Star Citizen as well? Downloading Stellaris on steam currently -- STEAM gaming buddies have recommended it so I'm packing my bags and jumping ship o7 Could never get my buddies to join this game so Bye! Seriously, if you don't like the type of PVP sandbox EVE is then please go elsewhere instead of trying to convert this one into the same type of MMO there's already 70 billion of .
Daemun Khanid Calculated Miscalculation 689	Posted - 2017.02.12 15:20:07 - [93] - Quote W T F Is This Thread Still Here ? Daemun of Khanid
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais Mad Scientists Consortium 41	Posted - 2017.02.12 15:26:05 - [94] - Quote You think the man with the million dollar brief case leaves his bullet proof vest and handgun at home? Hell no. Iv hauled BILLIONS thru the "ganking choke points" more times than I can count. In two years I had ONE ganker try me, and his tornado volley just bounced off my shields. (1/10th of my total hp) You're doing it wrong. End of discussion.
Khergit Deserters Crom's Angels 4906	Posted - 2017.02.12 16:15:21 - [95] - Quote Tipa Riot wrote: Scipio Artelius wrote: Pleasure Hub Node-514 wrote: On your way out, can the person who bought your character give ISK and stuff to poster below me? This is a very good idea. Edit: foiled by 2 seconds. Please give faster internet. Australia needs it. Lol, you know you ask for a ban? The char in question was RMTed, so I would be careful wanting any interaction with it. Yes. Unfortunately the loot is tainted and a can I haz competition is out of the question now. Who knows, the thread might not even make it to the moved to OOPE stage.
NofriendNoLifeStilPostin State War Academy Caldari State 23	Posted - 2017.02.12 18:19:11 - [96] - Quote Hiasa Kite wrote: NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote: its really not, since losing their ship is a cost they are willing to pay already just to **** in your corn flakes. So everyone that plays EVE is willing to sacrifice their ship for a suicide gank. This is what you mean when you claim the penalties are not sufficient. Seeing as only a very small portion of the player base does it, we can conclude you're quite mistaken. May as well add:> This is a major part of why EVE is *** and a joke of a game for the most part.. Every thinking person seems to understand this except for brainless EVE kool-aid drinkers.* Don't be such an utter moron. Conclusions comming from you are meaningless. Of course everyone would be willing to sacrifice a thrasher to kill a shuttle carrying a PLEX. And of course not everyone would want to spend their time sitting around camping a gate, in what would be total boredom for normal people, for however many hours it takes for gankers to get lucky, or for some others just have the opportunity to **** with someone. Furthermore, quite a lot of people are doing it. Haven't you heard of CODE? I've had people suicide gank me and get nothing out of it except to destroy my +5 implant, which CCP reimbursed to my surprise. The penalties are so negligible that its used as a grief tactic. The game got really annoying for me once I learned about suicide gankers because it meant that EVERYWHERE you go, even in high sec, you have to go to the annoying hassle of scouting with an alt if you want to be safe. The fact you need alts to deal with 95% of the dangers in EVE is pretty lame and bad game design. So many reasons not to play EVE.
Vortexo VonBrenner Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning 2658	Posted - 2017.02.12 19:10:34 - [97] - Quote Don't worry, I'm sure you'll find a friend soonGäó EvE security zones in pictures EvE quick reference pdf EvE links
Hiasa Kite Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 461	Posted - 2017.02.12 19:21:32 - [98] - Quote NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote: Hiasa Kite wrote: NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote: its really not, since losing their ship is a cost they are willing to pay already just to in your corn flakes. So everyone that plays EVE is willing to sacrifice their ship for a suicide gank. This is what you mean when you claim the penalties are not sufficient. Seeing as only a very small portion of the player base does it, we can conclude you're quite mistaken. Don't be such an utter moron. Conclusions comming from you are meaningless. Of course everyone would be willing to sacrifice a thrasher to kill a shuttle carrying a PLEX. Bolded the relevant part for you; the part that you stated. For someone so quick to insult others, you sure do suck at following your own conversations. And of course not everyone would want to spend their time sitting around camping a gate, in what would be total boredom for normal people, for however many hours it takes for gankers to get lucky, or for some others just have the opportunity to **** with someone. And when they don't need to camp? When the mark just walks right in front of them, but they still don't take it? Furthermore, quite a lot of people are doing it. Haven't you heard of CODE? So, they're relevant after all? James 315 will be pleased. I've had people suicide gank me and get nothing out of it except to destroy my +5 implant, which CCP reimbursed to my surprise. Something doesn't add up, here. The penalties are so negligible that its used as a grief tactic. It's very difficult to grief in this game. It's also a bannable offence. The game got really annoying for me once I learned about suicide gankers because it meant that EVERYWHERE you go, even in high sec, you have to go to the annoying hassle of scouting with an alt if you want to be safe. Depends what you're trying to do. Unless you're flying a freighter, particularly in HiSec, a scout is beneficial, but not really necessary. Of course, if you don't want to scout, you probably shouldn't be flying freighters or flying solo outside HiSec. The fact you need alts to deal with 95% of the dangers in EVE is pretty lame and bad game design. You don't. Not sure what gave you the impression that you do. Scouts have been discussed in this thread[e: or was it the other one? CBA to check] when the topic of the freighter kill came into play, but that's because freighters heavily benefit from escorts. So many reasons not to play EVE. Those same reasons are what make EVE the best PvP sandbox out there, right now. <^.^> I'm a cat lol
Aaron Eternal Frontier 454	Posted - 2017.02.12 20:18:44 - [99] - Quote NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote: The fact you need alts to deal with 95% of the dangers in EVE is pretty lame and bad game design. So many reasons not to play EVE. I Strongly disagree, I said in a previous thread that it is CCP's carrot to dangle infront of us. A game design that promotes careful gameplay is good because it can teach you about being patient. Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Jacques d'Orleans 2941	Posted - 2017.02.12 20:30:34 - [100] - Quote All the moronic comments, lost forever, like idiot's tears in rain. Have you seen Robocop? Many people don't know that it's actually a documentary.
Hazel TuckerTS University of Caille Gallente Federation 102	Posted - 2017.02.13 00:29:55 - [101] - Quote At least you will not have to hear the bloated vets cry when ccp changes things not to their liking. Enjoy whatever fresh game you happen onto code can lick my kevin schwantz at high noon in jita
Brigadine Ferathine The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult 138	Posted - 2017.02.13 02:11:24 - [102] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Honestly, Citadels aren't really all they're cracked up to be at the moment. They really aren't, and the fixes are taking too long. We are just NOW getting the ability to insure ships. Like a year after release. Like good god its a basic function.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 3582	Posted - 2017.02.13 09:35:47 - [103] - Quote Hazel TuckerTS wrote: At least you will not have to hear the bloated vets cry when ccp changes things not to their liking. Enjoy whatever fresh game you happen onto Hazel.. I noticed you crying your tears in every thread which is remotely about ganking. Usually with some homophobic or sexually explicit remark in true miner fashion. It makes me curious what you lost. Please tell?! the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
LouHodo Minmatar Brotherhood Ushra'Khan 42	Posted - 2017.02.13 21:22:14 - [104] - Quote Lord Frost wrote: Merias Tylar al-Akhwa wrote: This post contains enough salt to last us for years to come. That will be your legacy, and I thank you for it. You should have chosen your construction site more carefully. This loss is your own fault, no one else's. Nah. It's the people who play this game. It's a gank fest of scrubs. Not the game I want to play. Not my fault YOU the people who make up the game are scrubs. But hey... tell yourself what you want to make you feel better about my opinion. You sir know nothing of scrubs or gankfest. With that being said, can I haz your stuff?
Roel Yento Death Row inc Lethal Injection. 63	Posted - 2017.02.13 23:28:59 - [105] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: Mara Pahrdi wrote: Akaro Tripar wrote: All this griefing and ganking in high has to stop or the game crumbles to dust....this is simply not state of the art anymore....in neither way.... I always wonder how people come to this conclusion. Because it's simply the truth? The "fact" that you don't get ganked often only proves that you are lucky nothing more....or don't take the "risk" of flying around..... It's no proof that you don't get ganked flying always the same routes over and over again if the gankrate in others is extremely high.... The solution here is not that the PLAYER has to adept to it....no.... CCP has to make ganking impossible.... And THIS demand is here since the game exists and not new....seems to prove to me that it always was a problem,but ccp ignored it to keep their dream of a "special" game alive.... Well...it's time for a change because of a changed market and cosmetic changes like the alphas will not help to keep the game alive...only a 180-¦ turnaround..... I enjoy ganking in j space, i do fly around a good amount. I don't use a scout alt for anything, I also fly different routes as our wormhole chain changes often. I have lived in null, lowsec, high sec, and j space. I have been ganked and i have been killed in gate camps but it is rare and i rarely lose ships. I know if i was a solo pilot my losses would probably be higher but i enjoy flying with others. I have done large blobs and small gang stuff. You and most of the other people complaining on here don't know how pvp works or how to minimize risk. Also most of those people complaining haven't done mutch in game yet to have a valid point of view on game mechanics. You and the others crying on this thread die a lot because of your lack of game knowledge. You could learn how to play the game and you would die a lot less. Also, to all of the people posting with forum alts to complain about the game, that is just weak. Impossible to take a forum alt seriously.
Hazel TuckerTS University of Caille Gallente Federation 102	Posted - 2017.02.14 00:08:24 - [106] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Hazel TuckerTS wrote: At least you will not have to hear the bloated vets cry when ccp changes things not to their liking. Enjoy whatever fresh game you happen onto Hazel.. I noticed you crying your tears in every thread which is remotely about ganking. Usually with some homophobic or sexually explicit remark in true miner fashion. It makes me curious what you lost. Please tell?! Awww sweetie lets talk sometime in game pvt chat. FYI I have never mined an ounce of ore in eve, I just like to mess with people. Kiss kiss code can lick my kevin schwantz at high noon in jita
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 3590	Posted - 2017.02.14 06:44:39 - [107] - Quote Hazel TuckerTS wrote: Awww sweetie lets talk sometime in game pvt chat. FYI I have never mined an ounce of ore in eve, I just like to mess with people. Kiss kiss Eeh, really? Because it looks like you just drop some unimaginative sexually explicit sentences like the common miner. I would not call that "messing with people". So was is it a pod on AP then? the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Amon Schi Bergbau und Co inPanic 5	Posted - 2017.02.14 07:49:44 - [108] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Every loss is our own fault. No one else's. This! Podcast by Amon Schi
brainless moron Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 9	Posted - 2017.02.14 12:06:03 - [109] - Quote So let me get this right....you play a spaceship game that revolves around players shooting each other.....you get shot....and whine about it? Perhaps Hello Kitty the game is more your style bro...
Commander Spurty 1662	Posted - 2017.02.14 12:29:43 - [110] - Quote I wouldn't deploy even a keepstar at this point. These things are too much ISK for their very short little lives. There are good ships, And wood ships, And ships that sail the sea But the best ships are Spaceships Built by CCP
Spurty 1665	Posted - 2017.02.14 12:29:43 - [111] - Quote I wouldn't deploy even a keepstar at this point. These things are too much ISK for their very short little lives. There are good ships, And wood ships, And ships that sail the sea But the best ships are Spaceships Built by CCP
Eazeldown UK Trading 0	Posted - 2017.02.14 12:37:16 - [112] - Quote I think the OP is correct eve is not what it used to be . I mean there has always been scammers in eve but now there is so many in jita that you can't even always use the market there because of lag. And ccp seem to condone this as chat bots are banned and all these scammers are quite clearly using chatbots and ccp does f all.
brainless moron Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 16	Posted - 2017.02.14 12:39:31 - [113] - Quote Eazeldown wrote: I think the OP is correct eve is not what it used to be . I mean there has always been scammers in eve but now there is so many in jita that you can't even always use the market there because of lag. And ccp seem to condone this as chat bots are banned and all these scammers are quite clearly using chatbots and ccp does f all. The market is a seperate server bro.....just sayin
Miss GanksAlot BooM Pod Recyclers 0	Posted - 2017.02.14 12:41:51 - [114] - Quote LOL killmail or or it didnt happen and you just one of those salty carebear scrubs hahahah
Marcus Binchiette Pyrotech Creations 81	Posted - 2017.02.14 12:51:59 - [115] - Quote Lord Frost wrote: 10 year player coming back to nothing but ganks and scrubs. I spent billions trying to set up a citadel. Long hours gathering and consolidating my assets only to have pieces of ** destroy all what you've worked for. I know the risk, but obviously when you can't even haul fuel without getting ganked... well I'm glad to quit once again. I'm sure I'll get backlash from you all, but this post isn't for you. It's for me and the hopes it reaches someone at CCP. Your game has gone to the wayside. I'm so glad I sold my old toon for $1000 on eBay. Well worth it. At least there are people vested enough in this game to pay that. Cheers all... and fly safe. I sympathise with your situation. I've been accumulating resources for a citadel also, but, considering the risks posed by random A-holes I've decided not to anchor it. At least, not until our strategic position has changed and it can be protected. The problem, as I see it, is not that citadels can be destroyed. But rather that a lot of the destruction in this game is entirely mindless and totally lacking in diplomacy. The problem, IMO, has more to do with the wardec mechanic itself. People just blow ** up because... they can, or because it is there. There is not negotiation. No intrigue. No diplomacy - and for the most part no contest and very little to even the score.
Eazeldown UK Trading 0	Posted - 2017.02.14 13:27:21 - [116] - Quote brainless moron wrote: Eazeldown wrote: I think the OP is correct eve is not what it used to be . I mean there has always been scammers in eve but now there is so many in jita that you can't even always use the market there because of lag. And ccp seem to condone this as chat bots are banned and all these scammers are quite clearly using chatbots and ccp does f all. The market is a seperate server bro.....just sayin So why does it lag when all the scammers are in jita ?. .......Just saying because there is a definite connection .
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 3116	Posted - 2017.02.14 13:46:49 - [117] - Quote Marcus Binchiette wrote: I sympathise with your situation. I've been accumulating resources for a citadel also, but, considering the risks posed by random A-holes I've decided not to anchor it. At least, not until our strategic position has changed and it can be protected. The problem, as I see it, is not that citadels can be destroyed. But rather that a lot of the destruction in this game is entirely mindless and totally lacking in diplomacy. The problem, IMO, has more to do with the wardec mechanic itself. People just blow **** up because... they can, or because it is there. There is not negotiation. No intrigue. No diplomacy - and for the most part no contest and very little to even the score. I am honestly curious where you get these notions. I mean, I agree the game is lacking conflict drivers, especially in highsec, meaning players have to go to great lengths to come up with reasons to shoot each other. I can see why you think there is little room for diplomacy, because you are right, there is little reason to attack someone other than you want their stuff or them out of your space, or are just looking for a the fight itself, all reasons that leave little room for diplomacy. But the chances of a "random A-hole" coming by to kick over your sandcastle are so remote, I wonder why you think it is a risk at all? There are thousands and thousands of citadels now, and only a few a week are being destroyed in highsec, almost all of them by mercenaries or dedicated groups that are likely doing them for a reason beyond random violence. Citadels are so annoying, and offer so little reward, to shoot that they are one of the least likely things to be shot at random. Outside of highsec maybe, although even there it is tedious enough to prevent random destruction, or more likely in a wormhole where the attacker might get a drop I can see a concern, but in highsec? Unless you make a mistake like the OP while transporting it, or get wardecced in the first 15 minutes after you deploy it and someone takes it out before you can online it, there is practically no risk of casual violence exploding your citadel. I wouldn't hesitate for a second in deploying an Astrahus in highsec if I had some need for it (sadly I see next to no utility in doing so). Unless you are out purposely making enemies (in which case the violence coming your way won't really be random and you can test out your diplomacy skills) there is next to no chance of anyone wasting their time and their ISK to attack you. The 8 Golden Rules of Eve Why Do They Gank?
Yebo Lakatosh Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance 58	Posted - 2017.02.14 14:20:18 - [118] - Quote Hazel TuckerTS wrote: I have been pleading for a code loser to come and get me, to no avail. Mine as you please...i do Hazel TuckerTS wrote: FYI I have never mined an ounce of ore in eve, I just like to mess with people. Kiss kiss I sense a disturbance in the miner. They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 27614	Posted - 2017.02.14 14:41:24 - [119] - Quote Eazeldown wrote: I think the OP is correct eve is not what it used to be . I mean there has always been scammers in eve but now there is so many in jita that you can't even always use the market there because of lag. And ccp seem to condone this as chat bots are banned and all these scammers are quite clearly using chatbots and ccp does f all. If you think that they're using chatbots you right click on their name and report them, CCP will investigate and punish those that they find using such bots. As for your accusation that people are clearly using chatbots I suggest that you learn about some of the features present in chat windows, especially the ability to repost things almost instantly by pushing two keys on the keyboard. In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded. New Player FAQ Feyd's Survival Pack
Issler Dainze Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord 2581	Posted - 2017.02.14 18:52:49 - [120] - Quote So going on 11+ years and I have to say the game has changed from the early days. Is that a good thing? Well if you get down to what's different now there are more things you can put in space for other players to blow up. But the fundamentals remain the same. If you put something in space you run the risk that someone will come along and mess with it because its Eve and that's how it rolls. Eve is entropy. Eve is a wonderful picnic in a field full of ant piles. So maybe the possibility to put more at risk is larger today than "back in the day". But go to any casino and you'll find tables with different minimums and limits. Eve is the same. I'll be the first to admit I've really scaled back what I do in Eve for the last year or so. Catching my breath I suppose. But I see there are still things to do worth doing. It's all about setting that risk/reward knob on the setting that works for you and accept that even the most amazing sand castle won't be around forever. Enjoy building it and enjoying it while you can and take its demise as a chance to build a new and different one! If you really want permanently accumulated things in a game world maybe Sim City is a better game for you. No shame in that! Heck, I still enjoy building the occasional city/zoo/amusement park for a change of pace.
Ocean Ormand Bagel and Lox 54	Posted - 2017.02.14 19:44:16 - [121] - Quote Lord Frost wrote: 10 year player coming back to nothing but ganks and scrubs. I spent billions trying to set up a citadel. Long hours gathering and consolidating my assets only to have pieces of **** destroy all what you've worked for. I know the risk, but obviously when you can't even haul fuel without getting ganked... well I'm glad to quit once again. I'm sure I'll get backlash from you all, but this post isn't for you. It's for me and the hopes it reaches someone at CCP. Your game has gone to the wayside. I'm so glad I sold my old toon for $1000 on eBay. Well worth it. At least there are people vested enough in this game to pay that. Cheers all... and fly safe. How is this thread not locked yet? Anyways op just stop being bad. Its easy to set up citadels - in fact they are everywhere - a total cancer in eve. Final thought - why hasnt CCP done anything about the RMT done on ebay? Just have to notify ebay that it is violating the tos and they should be pulled - easy pease.
Expendable Unit Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 35	Posted - 2017.02.14 20:56:07 - [122] - Quote The issue with this game these days is that it became very simple to play, so even half-baked troglodytes can "play" it...I would not mind getting my crap blown up after spending a lot of time, but I want that occasional solo experience like back in the days where pirates hung around solo at gates with BCs and BBs... These days, some kiddie sees one of those and will have to call his corp, alliance etc to form a fleet rather than to take it out. The most amusing of all is that these kids think they are bad ass, and those laughable "kills" you see on the KBs of the "top killers' is actually looked upon with high admiration by today's player standards.
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 1488	Posted - 2017.02.14 22:37:20 - [123] - Quote Eazeldown wrote: I think the OP is correct eve is not what it used to be . I mean there has always been scammers in eve but now there is so many in jita that you can't even always use the market there because of lag. And ccp seem to condone this as chat bots are banned and all these scammers are quite clearly using chatbots and ccp does f all. Last time I went to Jita I decided to try something and started to right click into local and just block whatever popped up there. After less than a minute and maybe a dozen successful blocks Jita local was suddenly very, very quiet. Most likely next time there will be other spammers available. But there numbers are way less than the scrolling of local does convey. So I decided that I'm going to do this again next time. There's no big effort required to take Jita local back. Remove standings and insurance.
Alderson Point Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2017.02.14 22:54:03 - [124] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote: its true the game is ****. They really need to create penalties for suicide ganking so it will be less of a joke. The penalty in high-sec is that you die if you commit a criminal act. Is that not sufficient enough? The cost of dying for a suicide ganker is minimal, dying ain't what it used to be
Hiasa Kite Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 468	Posted - 2017.02.14 23:02:41 - [125] - Quote Alderson Point wrote: Arthur Aihaken wrote: NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote: its true the game is ****. They really need to create penalties for suicide ganking so it will be less of a joke. The penalty in high-sec is that you die if you commit a criminal act. Is that not sufficient enough? The cost of dying for a suicide ganker is minimal, dying ain't what it used to be Yeah, it's more punishing than it used to be, not to mention more likely and much faster. <^.^> I'm a cat lol
Barrogh Habalu Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 1140	Posted - 2017.02.15 10:26:37 - [126] - Quote Expendable Unit wrote: The issue with this game these days is that it became very simple to play, so even half-baked troglodytes can "play" it...I would not mind getting my crap blown up after spending a lot of time, but I want that occasional solo experience like back in the days where pirates hung around solo at gates with BCs and BBs... These days, some kiddie sees one of those and will have to call his corp, alliance etc to form a fleet rather than to take it out. The most amusing of all is that these kids think they are bad ass, and those laughable "kills" you see on the KBs of the "top killers' is actually looked upon with high admiration by today's player standards. Quality of the job you've done is not measured in the amount of sweat you've broken while doing it. OT: It's always funny when someone who's upset that people aren't playing by his made-up rules call others "scrubs". Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Aiwha Infinite Point Test Alliance Please Ignore 1222	Posted - 2017.02.15 10:59:52 - [127] - Quote Has stuff been handed out yet? Can I have some? Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 5572	Posted - 2017.02.15 11:23:36 - [128] - Quote Aiwha wrote: Has stuff been handed out yet? Can I have some? You know what they say about free candy... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Expendable Unit Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 39	Posted - 2017.02.15 18:16:34 - [129] - Quote Barrogh Habalu wrote: Expendable Unit wrote: The issue with this game these days is that it became very simple to play, so even half-baked troglodytes can "play" it...I would not mind getting my crap blown up after spending a lot of time, but I want that occasional solo experience like back in the days where pirates hung around solo at gates with BCs and BBs... These days, some kiddie sees one of those and will have to call his corp, alliance etc to form a fleet rather than to take it out. The most amusing of all is that these kids think they are bad ass, and those laughable "kills" you see on the KBs of the "top killers' is actually looked upon with high admiration by today's player standards. Quality of the job you've done is not measured in the amount of sweat you've broken while doing it. OT: It's always funny when someone who's upset that people aren't playing by his made-up rules call others "scrubs". You are wrong. CCP kept making the game easier and easier and what happened at the end was a zerg fest. Again, if you love the simpleton approach, go ahead and make yourself feel right at home. Lowsec used to be dangerous because you never knew what could happen, and now, you always know what happens, where and at what time. Whole corps and alliances dedicate themselves for instance to sit on one gate. Great game eh? For the simpleton that sits on a gate all day long.
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 15162	Posted - 2017.02.15 18:28:48 - [130] - Quote An observation (in the form of a queation I guess). Notice how people who hate certain things so much tend to concntrate on the motivations of people doing things they don't like? I mean look at the people who are talking about gate camps. They seem way more bothered by the fact that someone is sitting in front of a computer playing a space video game and waiting for someone to jump through a gate so they can kill them. They deride it as 'lame' and 'not real pvp'. At the same time, those of us who don't have a problem with the activity (gate camping) but merely see it asyet another challenge to be defeated, also don't give a rats ass as to why someone is doing it... I don't care for gate camps, don't participate in gate camps, don't find them interesting, and i LOVE the feeling of exhilaration I get from MWD/Cloaking my ship safely past them. It never crosses my mind to think of WHY tjhey are doing it. Game says they can, so they can, that's ll I need to know. It works that way with everything not just gate camping. Ganking, bumping, some dude popping my cyno frig in low sec for no reason, hot dropping, cloaking camping , scamming, awoxxing etc. I don't care WHY some people enjoy those things, same way I know most people don't care about the fact that I gain this obscene amount of enjoyment out of killing the same rats in the same anomalies and complexes every night. And people who are succesful in avoiding people doing these things also tend to not care about why. TL;DR, stop worrying about why someone who isn't you enjoys things you don't. Learn how to deny them their enjoyment at your expence and move on.
Rysdan Caldari Provisions Caldari State 20	Posted - 2017.02.15 19:27:02 - [131] - Quote I see a few threads like this currently, and am a little confused. From my perspective, as someone who has been playing off and on for a few years...the strategy is pretty much the same. I spent the vast majority of my earlier career as a professional carebear. Yet I was taught from the beginning about gate camps, suicide ganking, can flippers, and the scammers in Jita. As I begin to explore WH's, LS and NS more and more these days, the strategy is still the same. I use the same methods I was taught years ago to keep my ship and clones alive. Does it always work? No. But for me, that's part of the thrill of EVE. But I use the overview, dscan, and local to try and determine the potential of camps and ganking, I check the map and/or Dotlan for stats on kills and traffic through systems. Too busy? Too many kills in the last hour or day? Find a different route. I vector in from different angles, I warp to safe spots if I think someone is trying to track me. Every time I undock, I presume I'm going to be attacked. I (usually) don't fly what I can't afford to lose, and I don't cry when I end up losing it. I certainly wouldn't set up shop in hostile systems without knowing the risk and being as prepared as I can be to defend or counter any attack. Do I get salty sometimes? Sure. But mostly at myself. For not seeing it coming. For not being more careful. For flying gank magnets. For being horrible at pvp. Again... all part of the thrill of a true Everyone vs Everyone sandbox. The only one of its kind. Am I missing something? In what way has the strategy to survive changed over the years? Oh, and I'm taking donations of ISK from all rage-quitters. :) Have a nice day and fly safe! o7
baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Legion 18637	Posted - 2017.02.15 19:28:51 - [132] - Quote Alderson Point wrote: Arthur Aihaken wrote: NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote: its true the game is ****. They really need to create penalties for suicide ganking so it will be less of a joke. The penalty in high-sec is that you die if you commit a criminal act. Is that not sufficient enough? The cost of dying for a suicide ganker is minimal, dying ain't what it used to be Gank battleships used to be free
baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Legion 18637	Posted - 2017.02.15 19:29:56 - [133] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Aiwha wrote: Has stuff been handed out yet? Can I have some? You know what they say about free candy... Tastes better because its free.
Moac Tor Cyber Core Stain Confederation 769	Posted - 2017.02.15 21:04:00 - [134] - Quote Not read through the thread yet and so someone may have already mentioned it, but if this guy sold his character on eBay then it should be easy enough for CCP to track it via the IP address of the forum alt. Modulated ECM Effects An Alternative to Skill Trading
Terhiss Ante Dominae 174	Posted - 2017.02.15 21:12:59 - [135] - Quote You'll come back. *Leans toward his wife in the armchair next to his and grins: They always come back.
Brigadine Ferathine The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult 139	Posted - 2017.02.16 01:18:24 - [136] - Quote Terhiss wrote: You'll come back. *Leans toward his wife in the armchair next to his and grins: They always come back. Yeah... often a good long break... but they always come back.
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 5577	Posted - 2017.02.16 01:23:34 - [137] - Quote Sometimes Dead is Better. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
CMDR-HerpyDerpy Hurishima cop3JR2 business Drop the Hammer 1	Posted - 2017.02.16 02:11:40 - [138] - Quote i like it how the rules of this site specificly say NOT to be mean to others and yet theres a few people here calling him salty the ban hammer is gonna be happy
MadMuppet A Better Corp Name 1187	Posted - 2017.02.16 02:17:48 - [139] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Sometimes Dead is Better. I mine in Eve because I am too drunk to fish in WoW! This is a vid game Its not reality Caught on a rant slide No excuse for reality Open your eyes Look up to the skies and see I'm just a pod boy I extrude apathy Because its easy isk don't you know? Play balance, let it go Any speed the ship goes doesn't really matter to me to me Arua, got killed again They put a blaster 'gainst my head Pulled their trigger now I'm dead Arua, life had just begun But now I am over twenty jumps away. Arua, oo oo oo ooo Didn't mean to pop and fry I'd better not get podded again tomorrow Implants gone, carry on, now doesn't even matter Too late, my armors gone Getting bumped I can't align Cap is gone I'm out of time Goodbye everybody Its time to clone Gotta leave this all behind and face the truth Arua, oo oo oo oooo I don't want to die I sometimes wish I'd never been cloned at all... (you get the idea) This message brought to you by Experience(tm). When common sense fails you, experience will come to the rescue. Experience(tm) from the makers of CONCORD.
Brigadine Ferathine The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult 139	Posted - 2017.02.16 02:45:29 - [140] - Quote CMDR-HerpyDerpy Hurishima wrote: i like it how the rules of this site specificly say NOT to be mean to others and yet theres a few people here calling him salty the ban hammer is gonna be happy I hate to say it but I don't think that gets enforced.
ISD Decoy ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1718	Posted - 2017.02.16 05:04:40 - [141] - Quote Quote: 33. "Quitting" posts are only permitted on the Out of Pod Experience channel. CCP recognize that during the course of gameplay a lot of friendships are made between players and that sometimes if a player is taking a break or departing from the EVE universe that they would like to say goodbye on the forums. Posts of this nature are only permitted on the Out of Pod Experience forum, and must be civil and well worded. However... Quote: 22. Posting regarding RMT (Real Money Trading) is prohibited. Posts discussing, linking to, or advertising RMT, including but not limited to the sale of in game items, assets, currency, characters or game accounts for real life money are strictly prohibited. Therefore I will lock this and apologize for not addressing this thread sooner. ISD Decoy Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

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