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SillyWaif
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Posted - 2007.04.24 21:24:00 -
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Did some level 3 missions after the patch (The Score, The Spy Stash, and a couple more) and the number of npcs to fight is far less than before the patch. Its very disappointing.
Corp mate had the same experience with WC level 1 and some other missions (Drone Infestation etc).
"Several missions have been updated to improve playability."
If this is the way CCP had in mind i wish they hadn't bothered. 
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Idara
Caldari
Missioners Anonymous
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Posted - 2007.04.24 21:53:00 -
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The loss of some bounty ISK sucks, but I just did a L4 Unauthorized Military Presence against Blood Raiders, and they really made it better, removed probably half to 3/4 of the old ships (used to be a bajillion cruisers and frigates to sift through) and now it's much faster.
As long as the BS bounties are there, I'll be happy.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.04.24 22:19:00 -
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If you're making most of your money from bounties then you're missing out on the major profit centers for mission running.
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Dzajic
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.24 23:16:00 -
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And remember, more wrecks, more salvage.
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Tony Blundetto
Over my dead Body
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Posted - 2007.04.24 23:17:00 -
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right now i'm doing the guristas extra lvl4, before the patch it took hours to finish it, but was soloable for me. now after the patch i can't make it through room 3 alone. the rats just spawn like hell and i get aggro from every1, almost lost my raven today :/
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Idara
Caldari
Missioners Anonymous
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Posted - 2007.04.24 23:20:00 -
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Oh, great. They nerfed GE. One of the best missions for easy ISK.
Bah.
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Nimitz Alexander
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.04.24 23:50:00 -
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yah extravaganza is all chain spawns now.
Room two chains off frigs, room three chains of cruise towers and battlecruisers ( have 12 BS spawned pounding on me lol)
Been a while since i did the mission, but it seems t me all the gates are closer to warp in so easier to go back in at least
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.25 00:09:00 -
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I'm glad I chose now to head into 0.0, sounds like CCP screwed missions even more than the EWar f*ck up last patch.
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Nimitz Alexander
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.04.25 00:12:00 -
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update: killing the wrong BS spans 4x more too... up to 12 bs spawned and 5 killed
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Sanzorz
Amarr
EVEfan.dk
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Posted - 2007.04.25 06:12:00 -
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The missions aren't that bad. Some drone missions are also made better as in less in the zones, but tougher ones. It means better loot though :-P
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Toria Nynys
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.04.25 06:20:00 -
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As a counterpoint, I present: The Assault vs Serpentis. 11M isk in bounties for the first room alone. Took forever due to all the jamming and trigger spawns wiping out my drones, but hey. The ISK is still there, at least in this mish.
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.04.25 06:42:00 -
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look at it this way CCP have made some changes, if u dont like it hit the features and ideas thread and make youre feelings known with new suggestions
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kill0rbunny
Alpha-Hirogen
The Pentagram
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Posted - 2007.04.25 06:55:00 -
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Edited by: kill0rbunny on 25/04/2007 06:53:07
Edited by: kill0rbunny on 25/04/2007 06:51:03
A suggestion for the usual highsec afk mission zombie:
Wait till someone thought out a plan for the missions, posted it on eveinfo.com and you can do the missions without using your brains again.
It was so with the last nerfs it will be the same with this one.
And to the isk thingie, have you even tried about thinking in Loyalty Points which by selling implants get you much more money per time?
Omg, highsec mission running must really hurt the brain.
Pew Pew!
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.25 07:38:00 -
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As I recall, the dev blog on missions a couple months back indicated a reduction in the number of rats, but also making them more difficult. It may be that this is the first step. Perhaps the next step is tougher rats with bigger bounties, so as to bring the bounties back to the same level, but with less rats.
/guess
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Paigan
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.04.25 09:08:00 -
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Everybody stop whining, ffs.
Reducing the NPC count from millions of small flies to a few but big ones is best thing to do.
Level4 missions should contain mostly BS. If they are too strong, you are too weak :P
It really seems like for every change, no matter how good it me be, you can always find people complaining about it.
Come one: "Nooo, i want my 100 frigs and cruisers back!!!" lol?
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Carniflex
Caldari
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.04.25 09:11:00 -
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I like the idea to reduce amount of small ships in lev 4 missions. Might make torpedo raven (below officer fittings level) viable option again. It will just take a while to learn the new ropes in all 'tweaked' missions.
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Paigan
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.04.25 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex
I like the idea to reduce amount of small ships in lev 4 missions. Might make torpedo raven (below officer fittings level) viable option again. It will just take a while to learn the new ropes in all 'tweaked' missions.
Siege raven was always better than cruise raven, if you can fit it.
torps are the death for
- BS
- BCs (2 volleys)
- Destroyers (1 volley)
- Frigs MWDing (1 volley instead of 5-7) (yes NPCs do MWD in missions)
Apart from that, you have your drones doing those pesky little frigs for you while you deal with the rest.
CMs are only better against smaller targets through the guided missile skill.
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2007.04.25 10:46:00 -
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From what I read here, there are still tons of ships out there, they just don't appear right away but are triggered by shooting/killing certain NPCs. If that is so, this is indeed quite a nerf since managing aggro became a lot harder.
At the same time it might make missioning with friends easier (at least if everyone fits properly, it will be hell for the stupid old 'one tank rest gank' approach which is good).
My only real issue with what I am reading here (have not had the chance to test is myself yet) is that scrambling frigs are used as triggers. That is going a bit over the top imho.
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Wolf Simon
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Posted - 2007.04.25 10:54:00 -
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Smaller amount of NPC on missions? BULL**** !!!
The blockade used to have 5 waves of 3-5 ships, now thanks to triggers you can have over 30 or more NPC attacking you at the samie time... Everything depedns on your choice of targets... Where is reduction here?
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Stocktons
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Posted - 2007.04.25 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Paigan
Originally by: Carniflex
I like the idea to reduce amount of small ships in lev 4 missions. Might make torpedo raven (below officer fittings level) viable option again. It will just take a while to learn the new ropes in all 'tweaked' missions.
Siege raven was always better than cruise raven, if you can fit it.
torps are the death for
- BS
- BCs (2 volleys)
- Destroyers (1 volley)
- Frigs MWDing (1 volley instead of 5-7) (yes NPCs do MWD in missions)
Apart from that, you have your drones doing those pesky little frigs for you while you deal with the rest.
CMs are only better against smaller targets through the guided missile skill.
Lol guess you tried your cruise missles without skills, I have a cruise set-up on my raven:
- frigs in 1 volly or less,
- destroyers in 1 volly or less,
- Bc's in 2 vollys,
- BS's go down fast aswell
Yes this is without T2 cruise missiles.
I really don't see why torps are better if I can do the same with cruise or even better...
Ok maybe now theres more bs's in the missions it might be viable now, but before..no way.
Ohw and yes I do run missions in low sec (0.1) with a pure T2 raven exept the launchers, so nothing special to my set-up.
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Carniflex
Caldari
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.04.25 11:15:00 -
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For average mission (pre patch) cruise missile setup with proper skills was cheaper than torpedo setup. I do not claim that cruise missiles are better, just that viable setup for level 4 missions is cheaper with them. Reason being that to be better with torpedoes you will need at least 1 target painter and you shall start shining when you have 2 target painters. That in turn means faction or in some cases officer fittings.
That was case for missions where majority of your opponents were sub BS level. Now, if new missions are mostly BS level then that will mean that you will do fine without any target painters or with one target painter (as there will be small enough number of 'small' targets to kill with your drones in reasonable time). Torpedoes are still a bit tougher to fit ofcource but with good skills and slight compromises in other fittings it's possible to equip them and still tank level 4 missions well enough to do them without warpouts.
Also, if new missions come in waves (meaning you dont have insane amounts of peak damage dropping on you but rather more or less constand amount of damage over longer periods) then one can sacrifice XL shield booster in excange of large one (whitch in turn would make fitting torpedoes considerable cheaper/easier).
So overall sounds like good change - just have to learn triggers. Note also that I have not done yet any 'new' missions after latest patch so I might be just optimistic 
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tardblog
Caldari
Step It Up
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Posted - 2007.04.25 11:49:00 -
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Some lvl 4 misson are not better then befor they are even harder. now they call in more ship to help and you soon have loads of them on you and i run faction set up on my navy raven and its silly hard. CCP need to take a look on the lvl 4 misson agin and make some changes the step from lvl 3 to 4 is even bigger. Were some lvl 4 are now should be lvl 5 misson.
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.25 11:56:00 -
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I've spent ages training up a remote shield boosting character to help on missions, and now with the "wave" missions it's completely wasted if they switch aggro to the shield booster.
I feel even more sorry for drone users, as wave based missions usually mean hauling in your drones each wave.
.. However more BS's and less of the time wasting cannon fodder is appreciated.
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Nimitz Alexander
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.04.25 13:15:00 -
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the are reasonable once you figure em out, just some better patch note warning yould be nice.
And they make it so you can only mission in a raven. All the webbing frigs are triggers so you cannot speed or range tank at all
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MrRookie
Caldari
Dark and Light inc.
D-L
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Posted - 2007.04.25 13:15:00 -
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I need to check thise out.
And regarding the lvl 3 to lvl 4 gap, I remember when lvl 4s was first introduced that was hilarious...
lvl 1 missions: 1 frig
lvl 2 missions: 2 frigs
lvl 3 missions: 1 frig and 1 cruiser
lvl 4 missions: 90 BS, 200 cruisers and 500 frigs
Ok I'm exagerating but it quite a huge difference 
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Nathan Baxter
Heroes of Canton
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Posted - 2007.04.25 13:54:00 -
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How much was the bounty total for Gurista Extra after the patch before it was close to 25M total and about 2-3M for the mission reward ? is it in the same range for the bounty ? I know mission reward takes time to re-adjust.
Nathan
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Tony Blundetto
Over my dead Body
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Posted - 2007.04.25 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Nathan Baxter
How much was the bounty total for Gurista Extra after the patch before it was close to 25M total and about 2-3M for the mission reward ? is it in the same range for the bounty ? I know mission reward takes time to re-adjust.
Nathan
can't tell you m8, i wasn't able to finish the mission, my raven just can't tank 15 bs,bc,cruisers . so i had to cancle the GE, lost some standing and now i have to run lvl 3 missions coz i don't want my only raven to go boom in one of those crazy "new/old" missions
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.25 14:10:00 -
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Pff noobs "totally nerfed" - what a stupid statement. Hardly anyone changed on lvl 4 missions. Stop whining about Gurista EV, looks like its the same ships, only that they don't respawn all at one time like in the past but come in groups. Cant tell if stage 3 is harder now, my tank is too sexy to feel some damge, sry, but bounty/rewards didnt change much, lps are still the same, nex texts - whats so "totally nerfed" ?? And if you say you have less npcs - ok, finish the mission and start a new one, at the end you kill the same ammount of npcs but get more lps - yes, very "totally nerfed" this is. Noobs.
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Quilan Masaq
Caldari
Combat Systems
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Posted - 2007.04.25 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Wolf Simon
Smaller amount of NPC on missions? BULL**** !!!
The blockade used to have 5 waves of 3-5 ships, now thanks to triggers you can have over 30 or more NPC attacking you at the samie time... Everything depedns on your choice of targets... Where is reduction here?
Damn right, was doing this on a Lv3 agent the other day, I had more BC's pounding my ship than i've ever seen before.
8 Dire BC's, a good 30+ normal BC's, and God knows how many frigs (who like to chain-jam you...)
I'd try to clear a spawn, soon as I did it'd trigger annother wave reinforcing the other 3 spawns that were already there, had to warp out 2 or 3 times in my Drake, first time i've had to ever warp out a Lv3...
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Tony Blundetto
Over my dead Body
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Posted - 2007.04.25 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Pff noobs "totally nerfed" - what a stupid statement. Hardly anyone changed on lvl 4 missions. Stop whining about Gurista EV, looks like its the same ships, only that they don't respawn all at one time like in the past but come in groups. Cant tell if stage 3 is harder now, my tank is too sexy to feel some damge, sry, but bounty/rewards didnt change much, lps are still the same, nex texts - whats so "totally nerfed" ?? And if you say you have less npcs - ok, finish the mission and start a new one, at the end you kill the same ammount of npcs but get more lps - yes, very "totally nerfed" this is. Noobs.
i humbly apologize for being a noob, i never knew this game was for professinals only, it never crossed my mind when i started this char. where was the "create character with 40 m plus skillpoints" button again?
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