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Del Narveux
Obsidian Angels Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.04.26 17:30:00 -
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I hate macros for the following reasons:
1. They eat ore in highsec systems that should be reserved for newer players, who dont have the benefit of eleventy billion isk and .0 access, all that jazz.
2. They fuel isk selling, a practice that I totally despise as it embodies everything thats wrong with MMOGs and where the game culture is headed. Seriously, isnt the idea that people spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars for virtual items that only exist in your imagination produced by third-world sweatshops whose labor laws essentially amount to slavery not one of the most ****** up things youve encountered?
3. Corollary to #1, they drive down mineral prices which is good for users, but screws over legit miners who try to play by the rules. Plus its going to play havoc if CCP goes through with removing NPC bounties, as suddenly everyones cash flow is at the mercy of said sweatshop workers running 10 covetors each.
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MasterEnt
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Posted - 2007.04.26 17:45:00 -
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Becuase they are not playing.
They let a script do all the work... strip mine without any actual work..
then there are no more roids left for people like you and me who are not AFK.
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Ebusitanus
Mythical Warriors and Workers
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Posted - 2007.04.26 18:28:00 -
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Edited by: Ebusitanus on 26/04/2007 18:25:48
Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot
....macro propaganda....
So...your solution should be for everyone to get a macro program then?
Are macros allowed in game or not?
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Drizit
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.04.26 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: MasterEnt
Becuase they are not playing.
They let a script do all the work... strip mine without any actual work..
then there are no more roids left for people like you and me who are not AFK.
What he said ^^^^^
I try to do some mining and chill out and can't find a single roid within 3 systems of me. The MM's have stripped every belt clean within a few hours of the respawn. By the time I get home from work, there's not even a pebble left.
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Royaldo
KVA Noble Inc.
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.26 18:57:00 -
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there more a mission is done the less it is worth?
is this true? if it is, someone might want to have a look at situation in mamet.
There around 50 macro's there every day doing courier missions.
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Amphetaminer
Grumpy Old Men
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Posted - 2007.04.27 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry
Edited by: ry ry on 25/04/2007 11:39:50
Originally by: Amphetaminer
mmo's are games where you compete with others trough buying ISK others get an unfair advantage (and yes this applies for GTC's aswell!)
not having a full-time job, or owning a better computer are also an unfair advantage.
not many OMFG STUDENTS CAN PLAY ALL AFTERNOON AND I CAN ONLY PLAY AT EVENINGS AND WEEKENDS WHEN THE KIDS AREN'T ON THE COMPUTER!1!!1 rants on here. which isn't to say there shouldn't be - they'd be awesome.
how is that an unfair advantage its your own choice to go to work and its there choice to play all day.
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.04.30 11:27:00 -
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it's not my choice to go to work - it's just that i don't like wearing clothes made out of old sacks, eating out of bins and living in a cardboard box.
having time to play all day - for whatever reason - is an advantage over those who only get a few hours in the evening.
it's not really open for discussion; it's just common sense.
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Voodoo Mistross
KickAssCrew
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Posted - 2007.04.30 12:01:00 -
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4 pages on the reasons Macros are bad.....the same few reasons repeated over and over, reminds me of a child: "but why?"..."but why?"...and on and on, so as I occassionaly break down and say to my little girl
"BECAUSE I SAID SO!"
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.04.30 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: ry ry on 30/04/2007 12:12:28
but why?
besides, i was interested in people's opinions, and wanted them to elaborate a little, rather than just cack like BECAUSE I SAID SO. i don't like peas but not being able to actually explain why i don't like them renders my opinion on peas in general slightly invalid.
In the case of peas this is all cool, nobody gives a toss about peas, but certain individuals get all frothy about macros.
Macros aren't exactly 'cheating' per se - many mmos have their own macro engines so you can automate repetitive tasks, so this eve-specific MACRO EVIL! frothieness is all a bit mystifying. genuinely wondered why.
EDIT: also, it appears that most people don't even grasp the concept properly - a macro isn't a fully fledged mining bot, in the same way a snowflake isn't an avalanche.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.30 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Voodoo Mistross
4 pages on the reasons Macros are bad.....the same few reasons repeated over and over, reminds me of a child: "but why?"..."but why?"...and on and on, so as I occassionaly break down and say to my little girl
"BECAUSE I SAID SO!"
you are a bad parent.
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Drizit
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.04.30 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry
EDIT: also, it appears that most people don't even grasp the concept properly - a macro isn't a fully fledged mining bot, in the same way a snowflake isn't an avalanche.
When we speak of macro miners, we are talking about fully automated systems and not a person pressing a key to automate a few mouse clicks occasionally rather than actually do them. A macro miner can start the macro running and walk away from the keyboard, go to work, go to bed and leave it mining every roid in the system. The barge and hauler are fully automated and will strip an entire system clean and move on to the next system ad infinitum if left to do so. Since this is not actually playing the game in person 23/7, it enters into the realm of cheating since it would be impossible for one player to operate 4 or more accounts 23/7. It's cheating because the systems and economy were designed around players who are online an average number of hours a day due to those dumb requirements called sleep/work/life.
It's also cheating because those who actually want to play the game as it was meant to be played are prevented from doing so because the asteroids are gone, the complexes have been completed and emptied because the cheaters want to sell the isk on web sites to make RL cash. This is not only cheating from a game point of view but also defrauding CCP as the rights to the ingame money and how it is transferred and used etc belongs to them.
An analogy would be that you own a flashy car that's been pimped to the hilt and I sell tickets for people to come and see it but don't give you any of the money. Wouldn't you be a bit annoyed that I am making money using your property but not even offering you any royalties?
Maybe a single snowflake isn't an avalanche but enough of them could wipe out an entire village. In the same way, enough macro miners could destroy Eve both from a player and an economic (IG and RL) standpoint.
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Neue Ziel
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Posted - 2007.05.11 04:36:00 -
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"Why do you hate macro miner types so much?"
It's been said on this page but I'll say it again. They ruin the game for the honest miner. There are no rocks left at all for anybody because a less then half day after you find an asteroid field some macro-miner's fleet has stripped it bare. So you have to pick up your stuff and move farther and farther away to the edge of space looking for an asteroid field; and then you finally find one only to have the *same* damn thing happen again. Mining becomes less and less profitable because you have to haul ore farther and farther to find markets for it. All the time the macro miners are reaping grotesque profits and dropping the price of minerals through the floor; which further hurts my profits.
I had many friends who played this game purely for the 'space prospector' aspect. They're the ones that got hurt the most. In my Corp there is now only ONE serious miner left. We all used to mine to one degree or another but now; we're done. Being a miner isn't profitable any more. It used to be THE way to make money; now it's a exercise in futility. It's taken away some of variety the game used to have and handed it to a group of b******s. These people and their legion of alts hurt all of us as they limit the scope of the game CCP created. Only they can compete in the marketplace and only they reap the rewards of mining. The rest of us are cheated out of that experience.
They steal a portion of that fifteen dollars I pay every month so I can play a game with this kind of scope instead of a ******** finger twitcher like most of the other mmorpg's have degenerated into. If somebody stole 3 dollars out of your wallet every month that'd tick you off wouldn't it? That's what macro miners do to all of us honest miners; they make it impossible to play the part of the game we have hundreds of hour invested in. Invested in skill training and specialization and equipment that no longer means a thing because some twit and his fleet of 22 alts can do anything my entire corp can do on the one night a week we have to mount a large mining gang; and they can do it 23/7.
There's no effective way for a PC to counter the pervasive influence of macro-miners. Hunting them down is inefficient at best; and if CCP could automatically identify and flag them to be shot I think every miner in EVE wouldn't be able to stop praising them enough; unfortuantely as I understand it this is at the moment technically infeasible. So as it stands their profit margins out weigh any losses we can realistically inflict on them and the rate at which they take in ISK pretty much ensures that we're always on the loosing side of the equation. That's cheating. That's the definition of cheating; an unfair advantage that cannot be countered no matter how skillful a a player might be.
I sold all my mining gear and now all I do are missions; it's my loss and that of every honest mining PC in the game.
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Marden Grace
Caldari
Sentinels Of Justice Tactical Command
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Posted - 2007.05.11 05:28:00 -
[103]
They took our jurbs! (South Park reference)
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