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DioKahn Abyss Squadron Public-Enemy 3	Posted - 2017.02.15 06:50:49 - [1] - Quote Here are the details. You figure it out. Our gang scouted a war target Paladin. We had a proteus / cynabal on the side of the gate that he landed on to push him through. We had a 920 scan res legion and another proteus on the other side. All of us were Public Enemy and at war with the target. The target jumped gate with the Paladin. 4 of us locked and began to fire with our Safety lights on green or yellow. Not reds. The paladin went into armor as he was being bumped 20km off gate. The pilot of the paladin ejected from his ship. The paladin pilot left his corp (yes in space). He then boarded the ship while we had it scrammed. Concord killed one proteus. The rest of us could not scram him or fire guns but had lock. Our drones continued to agress while the paladin pilot repaired his damage. The paladin warped away and told us in local how he had done the exploit. He then asked us to post it on the forums if we were mad about it. CCP.... are you mad about this post? I have screenshots.
Wanda Fayne 524	Posted - 2017.02.15 06:54:18 - [2] - Quote This will end well... your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic -Lan Wang- - Locator Agents cease to function on Offline Players:
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 2028	Posted - 2017.02.15 06:57:23 - [3] - Quote Send a ticket to a GM, not put it on the forum. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
DioKahn Abyss Squadron Public-Enemy 3	Posted - 2017.02.15 07:02:43 - [4] - Quote Wanda Fayne wrote: This will end well... edit. File a support ticket. Speak when spoken to nub...go run a mission and get off the forum.
Wanda Fayne 524	Posted - 2017.02.15 07:04:15 - [5] - Quote DioKahn wrote: Wanda Fayne wrote: This will end well... edit. File a support ticket. Speak when spoken to nub...go run a mission and get off the forum. lol, tuffguyz your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic -Lan Wang- - Locator Agents cease to function on Offline Players:
DioKahn Abyss Squadron Public-Enemy 3	Posted - 2017.02.15 07:04:22 - [6] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Send a ticket to a GM, not put it on the forum. Thanks for the advice but we both know... its useless.
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 5562	Posted - 2017.02.15 07:10:04 - [7] - Quote Is it wrong that I found this scenario hilarious? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Mephiztopheleze Laphroaig Inc. 1211	Posted - 2017.02.15 07:11:31 - [8] - Quote you really should file a support ticket rather than vent on forums. it's odd as they shouldn't be able to board the ship while it's target locked by others. Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura
DioKahn Abyss Squadron Public-Enemy 5	Posted - 2017.02.15 07:13:25 - [9] - Quote Mephiztopheleze wrote: you really should file a support ticket rather than vent on forums. it's odd as they shouldn't be able to board the ship while it's target locked by others. go away.... that's already done.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 3929	Posted - 2017.02.15 07:15:02 - [10] - Quote Haha is it funny i dont see anything wrong here? Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Kickah Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap 0	Posted - 2017.02.15 07:15:37 - [11] - Quote WAT https://imgur.com/gallery/Zc847
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 3932	Posted - 2017.02.15 07:16:12 - [12] - Quote Mephiztopheleze wrote: you really should file a support ticket rather than vent on forums. it's odd as they shouldn't be able to board the ship while it's target locked by others. Its not locked though, safety green and concord would have ecm'd Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
testsubjiect 12 HotzenPlotzGang Public-Enemy 1	Posted - 2017.02.15 07:17:03 - [13] - Quote 1337 strats thanks to that skinny ***** at ccp
Noongar WA Abyss Squadron Public-Enemy 1	Posted - 2017.02.15 07:17:21 - [14] - Quote Somthing Need's to be Done About this this isnt right he used an exploit to save hes paladin somthing needs to be done about this Right now to many war targets get away cause of exploits like this.
DioKahn Abyss Squadron Public-Enemy 5	Posted - 2017.02.15 07:18:54 - [15] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Mephiztopheleze wrote: you really should file a support ticket rather than vent on forums. it's odd as they shouldn't be able to board the ship while it's target locked by others. Its not locked though, safety green and concord would have ecm'd lol.... I listed the facts. I realize you are confused but make your own posts about it.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 3932	Posted - 2017.02.15 07:19:13 - [16] - Quote Wardec tears are amazing Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Wanda Fayne 525	Posted - 2017.02.15 07:20:22 - [17] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Wardec tears are amazing Welcome to hisec your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic -Lan Wang- - Locator Agents cease to function on Offline Players:
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 5562	Posted - 2017.02.15 07:23:00 - [18] - Quote And who says low-sec gets to have all the fun... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
DioKahn Abyss Squadron Public-Enemy 5	Posted - 2017.02.15 07:24:32 - [19] - Quote This is not a post about war decs... stay on topic or get deleted! Merc4Lyfe!
DioKahn Abyss Squadron Public-Enemy 5	Posted - 2017.02.15 07:28:32 - [20] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Wardec tears are amazing QQ more.... we know that you hate mercs and pvp but try to remember that this is about an exploit and not about you or your carebear views about pvp.
DioKahn Abyss Squadron Public-Enemy 5	Posted - 2017.02.15 07:30:36 - [21] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: And who says low-sec gets to have all the fun... Lowsec guys camp the same system... all day don't they?
Omar Alharazaad Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 3245	Posted - 2017.02.15 07:32:22 - [22] - Quote oh snap. Too bad you didn't have a guy with no timers handy to grab up the free paladin. I think the missed hijacking opportunity would be the thing that gave me the biggest sad in that case, to be honest. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 2029	Posted - 2017.02.15 07:34:41 - [23] - Quote DioKahn wrote: Arthur Aihaken wrote: And who says low-sec gets to have all the fun... Lowsec guys camp the same system... all day don't they? Yep. Old Man's Star, Amamake, any High-Low pipes get camped often. Also, if CCP ignores your ticket, in all likelihood, they won't take action from forum posts especially in this particular board either. You will just get a thread lock and a black mark for your trouble. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Scipio Artelius Savage Moon Society 46888	Posted - 2017.02.15 07:37:29 - [24] - Quote This seems like a bug more than an exploit. When you engage a wartarget, you should have a limited engagement with him/her. Irrespective of them then dropping Corp in their pod (totally ok to do so), you should have still had a limited engagement timer. As much as I think your a **** OP for the way you carry on in the forum, there is something very wrong about what happened. It shouldn't happen that way, so a bug report should be filed.
Omar Alharazaad Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 3245	Posted - 2017.02.15 07:41:24 - [25] - Quote Yeah, the dropping corp thing is dodgy, but mechanics is what they are. The limited engagement thing is the real issue, even though they're not at war anymore they're still technically in a shooting battle at the moment. Sounds buggy to me. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Mephiztopheleze Laphroaig Inc. 1211	Posted - 2017.02.15 07:48:23 - [26] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Mephiztopheleze wrote: you really should file a support ticket rather than vent on forums. it's odd as they shouldn't be able to board the ship while it's target locked by others. Its not locked though, safety green and concord would have ecm'd if they were at war with the target, then CONCORD isn't an issue. The issue appears to be the pally pilot ejecting from their ship, dropping corp, then re-boarding. At THAT point, they're now shooting an innocent and CONCORD shows up. How they were able to re-board the ship when it was target locked is the issue at hand here. Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura
Alebrelle Kuatu WiNGSPAN Delivery Services WiNGSPAN Delivery Network 38	Posted - 2017.02.15 07:52:40 - [27] - Quote One of our pilots heard the chatter in local about this. I find it hilarious that known functionality was used to thwart your attacks. I hope more do it.
Wanda Fayne 526	Posted - 2017.02.15 08:01:16 - [28] - Quote Alebrelle Kuatu wrote: One of our pilots heard the chatter in local about this. I find it hilarious that known functionality was used to thwart your attacks. I hope more do it. Or have another neutral board the ship, or swap ships entirely, or swap corps and ships Oh the combinations And bring in a neutral orca or bowhead too your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic -Lan Wang- - Locator Agents cease to function on Offline Players:
Wanda Fayne 526	Posted - 2017.02.15 08:05:51 - [29] - Quote Oh snap, the same pilot lost a proteus a few days ago to the NPC belt miners. Sigh... rough times. your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic -Lan Wang- - Locator Agents cease to function on Offline Players:
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 5565	Posted - 2017.02.15 08:11:11 - [30] - Quote It's still funny. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Reinhardt Kreiss TetraVaal Tactical Group 211	Posted - 2017.02.15 08:25:47 - [31] - Quote Wanda Fayne wrote: Alebrelle Kuatu wrote: One of our pilots heard the chatter in local about this. I find it hilarious that known functionality was used to thwart your attacks. I hope more do it. Or have another neutral board the ship, or swap ships entirely, or swap corps and ships Oh the combinations And bring in a neutral orca or bowhead too Doesn't work, when an empty ship is locked only the previous pilot can reboard it. This is why it worked in the first place.
Wanda Fayne 526	Posted - 2017.02.15 08:39:21 - [32] - Quote Reinhardt Kreiss wrote: Wanda Fayne wrote: Alebrelle Kuatu wrote: One of our pilots heard the chatter in local about this. I find it hilarious that known functionality was used to thwart your attacks. I hope more do it. Or have another neutral board the ship, or swap ships entirely, or swap corps and ships Oh the combinations And bring in a neutral orca or bowhead too Doesn't work, when an empty ship is locked only the previous pilot can reboard it. This is why it worked in the first place. Good to know, thx. your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic -Lan Wang- - Locator Agents cease to function on Offline Players:
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 2030	Posted - 2017.02.15 08:40:22 - [33] - Quote Wanda Fayne wrote: Oh snap, the same pilot lost a proteus a few days ago to the NPC belt miners. Sigh... rough times. NPC belt miners did something that actual player miners never do: Having escort. Escorts with some jacked up stats and tackle mods. Killing those guys aren't easy at all. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Alebrelle Kuatu WiNGSPAN Delivery Services WiNGSPAN Delivery Network 39	Posted - 2017.02.15 08:45:58 - [34] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Wanda Fayne wrote: Oh snap, the same pilot lost a proteus a few days ago to the NPC belt miners. Sigh... rough times. NPC belt miners did something that actual player miners never do: Having escort. Escorts with some jacked up stats and tackle mods. Killing those guys aren't easy at all. I wouldn't say "never." I've seen it in WHs twice.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 3934	Posted - 2017.02.15 08:53:52 - [35] - Quote Mephiztopheleze wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Mephiztopheleze wrote: you really should file a support ticket rather than vent on forums. it's odd as they shouldn't be able to board the ship while it's target locked by others. Its not locked though, safety green and concord would have ecm'd if they were at war with the target, then CONCORD isn't an issue. The issue appears to be the pally pilot ejecting from their ship, dropping corp, then re-boarding. At THAT point, they're now shooting an innocent and CONCORD shows up. How they were able to re-board the ship when it was target locked is the issue at hand here. i dont see how locking a ship can prevent someone from boarding it, he clearly didnt have combat timer so i see no issue here Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 3934	Posted - 2017.02.15 08:56:24 - [36] - Quote DioKahn wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Wardec tears are amazing QQ more.... we know that you hate mercs and pvp but try to remember that this is about an exploit and not about you or your carebear views about pvp. "hate pvp" grrr snuff Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Salvos Rhoska 2143	Posted - 2017.02.15 09:14:31 - [37] - Quote DioKahn, considering your deliberate disruptive shiptoasting in previous threads, thanks for the hearty laughs I am enjoying from schadenfreude. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 1259	Posted - 2017.02.15 09:14:52 - [38] - Quote Even if he ejected, dropped corp and reboarded Im fine with this all being as it is though tbh its kinda a **** mechanic, reboarding like that I mean, there shouldve been limited engagements superceding the concordonkken portions and the kill still being made valid irrespective of the dropped war dec. Ironically it would be an interesting mechanic change to still have the paly be a valid war target regardless of who else may board it. Would make for some hilarious neutral boarding party hijinx Id imagine. Though I do still find it amusing when "elites" are outplayed either way. Makes me smile a bit. Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 5568	Posted - 2017.02.15 09:27:36 - [39] - Quote With the Legion's 920 scan resolution why didn't they just lock his capsule and pod him when he exited? It's not like ejecting, leaving a corporation and reboarding is instantaneous, either. $10 says they were too focused on destroying the Paladin to notice anything else going on. Also curious why the fastest locking ship didn't get taken out by CONCORD? Something seems off about the whole chain of events as described by the Op. Still funny as sht. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.*
Barrogh Habalu Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 1140	Posted - 2017.02.15 09:39:44 - [40] - Quote Okay, here's what I get for not paying attention. How long it's been since you can change corps while not docked? I recall there were talks of the issue a while, while back then now though... Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 5570	Posted - 2017.02.15 09:56:06 - [41] - Quote Barrogh Habalu wrote: Okay, here's what I get for not paying attention. How long it's been since you can change corps while not docked? I recall there were talks of the issue a while, while back then now though... Are you thinking of the AWOX'ing mechanics? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Alebrelle Kuatu WiNGSPAN Delivery Services WiNGSPAN Delivery Network 40	Posted - 2017.02.15 10:06:23 - [42] - Quote Barrogh Habalu wrote: Okay, here's what I get for not paying attention. How long it's been since you can change corps while not docked? I recall there were talks of the issue a while, while back then now though... As long as I've been recruiting for WDS -- so longer than a year and a half.
DioKahn Abyss Squadron Public-Enemy 5	Posted - 2017.02.15 10:13:48 - [43] - Quote Pvp = Eject, leave corp, Board ship, concord solves your issue.... kill right the evil war deccers. You guys are ignorant and this game is fkd if ccp doesn't fix it anyway.
testsubjiect 12 HotzenPlotzGang Public-Enemy 2	Posted - 2017.02.15 10:13:50 - [44] - Quote Care bears should get off forums they are just like the skinny ***** at ccp socialist scum
DioKahn Abyss Squadron Public-Enemy 5	Posted - 2017.02.15 10:14:44 - [45] - Quote testsubjiect 12 wrote: Care bears should get off forums they are just like the skinny ***** at ccp socialist scum +1
Alebrelle Kuatu WiNGSPAN Delivery Services WiNGSPAN Delivery Network 40	Posted - 2017.02.15 10:17:40 - [46] - Quote DioKahn wrote: Pvp = Eject, leave corp, Board ship, concord solves your issue.... kill right the evil war deccers. You guys are ignorant and this game is fkd if ccp doesn't fix it anyway. I'm sorry that the bear understands game mechanics better than you. :hug:
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 3936	Posted - 2017.02.15 10:25:13 - [47] - Quote testsubjiect 12 wrote: Care bears should get off forums they are just like the skinny ***** at ccp socialist scum you were outsmarted by a carebear, then posted on the forums crying about it like the carebear asked you too Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
DioKahn Abyss Squadron Public-Enemy 5	Posted - 2017.02.15 10:26:46 - [48] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: testsubjiect 12 wrote: Care bears should get off forums they are just like the skinny ***** at ccp socialist scum you were outsmarted by a carebear, then posted on the forums crying about it like the carebear asked you too You sir..... should have been walked into the "showers" and stripped of your goods.
testsubjiect 12 HotzenPlotzGang Public-Enemy 2	Posted - 2017.02.15 10:27:09 - [49] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: testsubjiect 12 wrote: Care bears should get off forums they are just like the skinny ***** at ccp socialist scum you were outsmarted by a carebear, then posted on the forums crying about it like the carebear asked you too no it's one thing to get out smarted it's another to get exploited you can not in a ship while it's locked yet he did. that ruins pvp.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 3936	Posted - 2017.02.15 10:29:11 - [50] - Quote testsubjiect 12 wrote: Lan Wang wrote: testsubjiect 12 wrote: Care bears should get off forums they are just like the skinny ***** at ccp socialist scum you were outsmarted by a carebear, then posted on the forums crying about it like the carebear asked you too no it's one thing to get out smarted it's another to get exploited you can not in a ship while it's locked yet he did. that ruins pvp. should of shot the pod... Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
testsubjiect 12 HotzenPlotzGang Public-Enemy 2	Posted - 2017.02.15 10:33:38 - [51] - Quote see just saying that shows you know nothing about pvp it takes 1 click to leave corp if he has the menu open and you can't lock the pod fast enought even with scan boosted because it has a cycle time which is why you have to drop point early to catch a pod but you wouldn't know that because your a carebear
DioKahn Abyss Squadron Public-Enemy 5	Posted - 2017.02.15 10:34:57 - [52] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: testsubjiect 12 wrote: Lan Wang wrote: testsubjiect 12 wrote: Care bears should get off forums they are just like the skinny ***** at ccp socialist scum you were outsmarted by a carebear, then posted on the forums crying about it like the carebear asked you too no it's one thing to get out smarted it's another to get exploited you can not in a ship while it's locked yet he did. that ruins pvp. should of shot the pod... Learn to pvp bro. There are things called cycle timers.
DioKahn Abyss Squadron Public-Enemy 5	Posted - 2017.02.15 10:36:12 - [53] - Quote DioKahn wrote: Lan Wang wrote: testsubjiect 12 wrote: Lan Wang wrote: testsubjiect 12 wrote: Care bears should get off forums they are just like the skinny ***** at ccp socialist scum you were outsmarted by a carebear, then posted on the forums crying about it like the carebear asked you too no it's one thing to get out smarted it's another to get exploited you can not in a ship while it's locked yet he did. that ruins pvp. should of shot the pod... Learn to pvp bro. There are things called cycle timers and you are demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 3936	Posted - 2017.02.15 10:40:10 - [54] - Quote DioKahn wrote: Lan Wang wrote: testsubjiect 12 wrote: Lan Wang wrote: testsubjiect 12 wrote: Care bears should get off forums they are just like the skinny ***** at ccp socialist scum you were outsmarted by a carebear, then posted on the forums crying about it like the carebear asked you too no it's one thing to get out smarted it's another to get exploited you can not in a ship while it's locked yet he did. that ruins pvp. should of shot the pod... Learn to pvp bro. There are things called cycle timers. learn mechanics bro, you can still board a locked ship if you are the owner Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
DioKahn Abyss Squadron Public-Enemy 5	Posted - 2017.02.15 10:40:49 - [55] - Quote We figured out what really happened... it was not an exploit. It was "game functionality" and the Angels of baby jesus saved him.
Omar Alharazaad Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 3245	Posted - 2017.02.15 10:40:56 - [56] - Quote I'm still trying to wrap my head around this. I get the corp dropping to get out of the war thingy. What I still don't understand is what happened to the limited engagement? This obviously happened mid-fight, or it wouldn't be up here. The engagement timer is pilot specific, not based off of corp affiliation. So long as it's running CONCORD shouldn't be involved at all. Am I missing something big here? Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
DioKahn Abyss Squadron Public-Enemy 5	Posted - 2017.02.15 10:52:31 - [57] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: I'm still trying to wrap my head around this. I get the corp dropping to get out of the war thingy. What I still don't understand is what happened to the limited engagement? This obviously happened mid-fight, or it wouldn't be up here. The engagement timer is pilot specific, not based off of corp affiliation. So long as it's running CONCORD shouldn't be involved at all. Am I missing something big here? You have the facts. There was no limited engagement. He ejected when he hit 75% armour, instantly left corp and boarded again. Then concord killed the proteus with green safety on and didn't shoot the rest of us. What we have going on here is a huge group of carbears supporting exploits because it is used against mercs. The Paladin pilot admitted what he did in local and it was on purpose. The point of posting all this is to get CCP to stop ignoring PvP and show how one-sided toward carebears that CCP has allowed the game to become.... and also to show that tickets in game are worthless and the forums are filled with approved flame IF you are a carebear. And btw.... then he set a kill right on the proteus pilot for 1m.
Aiwha Infinite Point Test Alliance Please Ignore 1222	Posted - 2017.02.15 10:54:27 - [58] - Quote Meanwhile, in nullsec, we shot a guy. He died. The end. Moral of the story, highsec sucks. Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 3853	Posted - 2017.02.15 10:55:08 - [59] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: I'm still trying to wrap my head around this. I get the corp dropping to get out of the war thingy. What I still don't understand is what happened to the limited engagement? This obviously happened mid-fight, or it wouldn't be up here. The engagement timer is pilot specific, not based off of corp affiliation. So long as it's running CONCORD shouldn't be involved at all. Am I missing something big here? You don't get an LE while in a war. You get an LE when you shoot a suspect/criminal or in a duel. Or that was true last I tested all the LE mechanics anyway.
Lucas Lucias Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 13	Posted - 2017.02.15 10:55:42 - [60] - Quote DioKahn wrote: Here are the details. You figure it out. Our gang scouted a war target Paladin. We had a proteus / cynabal on the side of the gate that he landed on to push him through. We had a 920 scan res legion and another proteus on the other side. All of us were Public Enemy and at war with the target. The target jumped gate with the Paladin. 4 of us locked and began to fire with our Safety lights on green or yellow. Not reds. The paladin went into armor as he was being bumped 20km off gate. The pilot of the paladin ejected from his ship. The paladin pilot left his corp (yes in space). He then boarded the ship while we had it scrammed. Concord killed one proteus. The rest of us could not scram him or fire guns but had lock. Our drones continued to agress while the paladin pilot repaired his damage. The paladin warped away and told us in local how he had done the exploit. He then asked us to post it on the forums if we were mad about it. CCP.... are you mad about this post? I have screenshots. A war dec alliance used it the other way around, working as intended...
Tuttomenui II Aliastra Gallente Federation 449	Posted - 2017.02.15 10:56:28 - [61] - Quote Mephiztopheleze wrote: you really should file a support ticket rather than vent on forums. it's odd as they shouldn't be able to board the ship while it's target locked by others. The owner of the ship can always board it. Target lock only prevents others from boarding it.
Major Trant Radchak's Raiders 1588	Posted - 2017.02.15 10:57:12 - [62] - Quote People talking about limited engagement timers don't understand the basic mechanics. You only get a limited engagement timer if the target shoots back. Various mechanics were employed here to accomplish this: 1. He didn't shoot back, so he didn't get a Limited Engagement timer. 2. This also meant he didn't get an aggression timer. 3. Without an aggression timer he was able to eject from ship. 4. Dropping corp can only be done in station OR in space in a pod only (not ship). 5. He used the quit corp option to drop directly to his default NPC corp without having to wait 24 hours to drop roles. 6. A locked ship cannot be boarded except by the owning player, as he was the last pilot in it he was still the owning player (I believe people in the same fleet as the people doing the locking can also board). 7. People who continued to aggress the now neutral player got Concorded. For that to happen the player that died must have had his safety set to red. The OP claims they were all Green/Yellow. I would dispute that, but he may have been lied to by the pilot that died, it is common to cover up a stupid act especially when "exploit" was being shouted. The bug that appears to have been highlighted by this incident is that drones continued to attack the now neutral player. However, this was partially cancelled out by the fact that they didn't evoke a Concorde response for their owners. Did the Paladin pilot use an exploit - yes! Do I want it fixed, hell no! This is one of those case of 'be careful what you wish for'. We're all whinging about the 10 second session counter for switching ships in Citadels. I can imagine CCP making a ham fisted attempt to fix this (like no ejecting or switching ships while you have a logoff timer - 15 minutes after being shot at). We are already suffering major PITAs as the result of other bandaid fixes. I say let the Hi sec carebears have a way of saving their blingy PvE ships from leet PvPers too scared to go to low, null or WH space. Edit: Most of them will never know about it anyway.
Lucas Lucias Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 13	Posted - 2017.02.15 11:03:44 - [63] - Quote Major Trant wrote: People talking about limited engagement timers don't understand the basic mechanics. You only get a limited engagement timer if the target shoots back. Various mechanics were employed here to accomplish this: 1. He didn't shoot back, so he didn't get a Limited Engagement timer. 2. This also meant he didn't get an aggression timer. 3. Without an aggression timer he was able to eject from ship. 4. Dropping corp can only be done in station OR in space in a pod only (not ship). 5. He used the quit corp option to drop directly to his default NPC corp without having to wait 24 hours to drop roles. 6. A locked ship cannot be boarded except by the owning player, as he was the last pilot in it he was still the owning player (I believe people in the same fleet as the people doing the locking can also board). 7. People who continued to aggress the now neutral player got Concorded. For that to happen the player that died must have had his safety set to red. The OP claims they were all Green/Yellow. I would dispute that, but he may have been lied to by the pilot that died, it is common to cover up a stupid act especially when "exploit" was being shouted. The bug that appears to have been highlighted by this incident is that drones continued to attack the now neutral player. However, this was partially cancelled out by the fact that they didn't evoke a Concorde response for their owners. Did the Paladin pilot use an exploit - yes! Do I want it fixed, hell no! This is one of those case of 'be careful what you wish for'. We're all whinging about the 10 second session counter for switching ships in Citadels. I can imagine CCP making a ham fisted attempt to fix this (like no ejecting or switching ships while you have a logoff timer - 15 minutes after being shot at). We are already suffering major PITAs as the result of other bandaid fixes. I say let the Hi sec carebears have a way of saving their blingy PvE ships from leet PvPers too scared to go to low, null or WH space. P I R A T used this to change corp in space to get a point on me when I was blapping a POCO. But this is an excellent approach and as I was caught by the change corp in a ship after ejecting I will certainly use this if I ever get caught in something blingy. I was told that what happened to me was working as intended so I would expect the same answer on this one. And the player who got Concorded di not have his safety on green that is definate as you stated.
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 5572	Posted - 2017.02.15 11:08:10 - [64] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: should of shot the pod... That's what I said! Even 'carebears' like me get it... And Major - thanks for pointing out what most of us suspected: The guy that got CONCORDed almost certainly had his safety set to red. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Khan Wrenth Ore Oppression Prevention and Salvation 750	Posted - 2017.02.15 11:09:21 - [65] - Quote Major Trant wrote: Do I want it fixed, hell no! I respect your analysis, but "want" is kinda irrelevant as far as players are concerned. The "want" is in CCP's court. As in, "is this how they want their game to perform?" Whatever discussions they have internally, the answer will eventually be a simple yes/no, and appropriate action taken. So we might be in for a "band-aid" fix (as you put it), regardless of what players want or don't want. I mean, they band-aid fixed hyperdunking although everything I heard on the matter was that it was an extremely niche and limited mechanic and I thought (and could be mistaken) that they said they'd only enact a change if it became widespread. Now that this...let's call it a "technique" for now, has been posted to the forums, it might start getting traction. I can't see it being very widespread because it requires the target to have very fast reactions to get through the appropriate menu options plus the engaged ship has to have enough EHP to survive the time between initial attack and the pilot re-boarding. This is again something that seems like it'll be very niche and limited in capability, and if we learned anything from hyperdunking, that means it'll be patched in some fashion eventually. To the OP - It's still in very, very bad form however to post about this on the forums, but I think that's already been pointed out. If it is a glitch or unintended loophole, you're supposed to file a ticket so CCP can nip it in the bud before it becomes a bigger problem. Blasting it on the forums makes their job harder and will endear you to no-one. Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
DioKahn Abyss Squadron Public-Enemy 5	Posted - 2017.02.15 11:10:38 - [66] - Quote Major Trant wrote: People talking about limited engagement timers don't understand the basic mechanics. You only get a limited engagement timer if the target shoots back. Various mechanics were employed here to accomplish this: 1. He didn't shoot back, so he didn't get a Limited Engagement timer. 2. This also meant he didn't get an aggression timer. 3. Without an aggression timer he was able to eject from ship. 4. Dropping corp can only be done in station OR in space in a pod only (not ship). 5. He used the quit corp option to drop directly to his default NPC corp without having to wait 24 hours to drop roles. 6. A locked ship cannot be boarded except by the owning player, as he was the last pilot in it he was still the owning player (I believe people in the same fleet as the people doing the locking can also board). 7. People who continued to aggress the now neutral player got Concorded. For that to happen the player that died must have had his safety set to red. The OP claims they were all Green/Yellow. I would dispute that, but he may have been lied to by the pilot that died, it is common to cover up a stupid act especially when "exploit" was being shouted. The bug that appears to have been highlighted by this incident is that drones continued to attack the now neutral player. However, this was partially cancelled out by the fact that they didn't evoke a Concorde response for their owners. Did the Paladin pilot use an exploit - yes! Do I want it fixed, hell no! This is one of those case of 'be careful what you wish for'. We're all whinging about the 10 second session counter for switching ships in Citadels. I can imagine CCP making a ham fisted attempt to fix this (like no ejecting or switching ships while you have a logoff timer - 15 minutes after being shot at). We are already suffering major PITAs as the result of other bandaid fixes. I say let the Hi sec carebears have a way of saving their blingy PvE ships from leet PvPers too scared to go to low, null or WH space. Edit: Most of them will never know about it anyway. "7. People who continued to aggress the now neutral player got Concorded. For that to happen the player that died must have had his safety set to red. The OP claims they were all Green/Yellow. I would dispute that, but he may have been lied to by the pilot that died, it is common to cover up a stupid act especially when "exploit" was being shouted." All of us use Green or Yellow. You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 5572	Posted - 2017.02.15 11:12:52 - [67] - Quote Someone went red... 'cause they're absolutely dead. Normally I don't get that much of a kick out these types of things, but this is better than a salt lick! I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 683	Posted - 2017.02.15 11:13:10 - [68] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: DioKahn, considering your deliberate disruptive shiptoasting in previous threads, thanks for the hearty laughs I am enjoying from schadenfreude. i second to this. Just Add Water
DioKahn Abyss Squadron Public-Enemy 6	Posted - 2017.02.15 11:16:33 - [69] - Quote Nat Silverguard wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: DioKahn, considering your deliberate disruptive shiptoasting in previous threads, thanks for the hearty laughs I am enjoying from schadenfreude. i second to this. Enjoy it while it lasts. In the end there will be nothing left to argue about and the carebears will have the chatroom that they always wanted.... ill be playing a newer and more interesting game with the rest of the entertainment.
Omar Alharazaad Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 3247	Posted - 2017.02.15 11:16:55 - [70] - Quote Thanks for the responses guys. I thought there was a LE involved, I was mistaken. I just assumed it would be, as it seems like it ought to. Learning stuff is fun. o7 Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 3941	Posted - 2017.02.15 11:17:42 - [71] - Quote Khan Wrenth wrote: Major Trant wrote: Do I want it fixed, hell no! I respect your analysis, but "want" is kinda irrelevant as far as players are concerned. The "want" is in CCP's court. As in, "is this how they want their game to perform?" Whatever discussions they have internally, the answer will eventually be a simple yes/no, and appropriate action taken. So we might be in for a "band-aid" fix (as you put it), regardless of what players want or don't want. I mean, they band-aid fixed hyperdunking although everything I heard on the matter was that it was an extremely niche and limited mechanic and I thought (and could be mistaken) that they said they'd only enact a change if it became widespread. Now that this...let's call it a "technique" for now, has been posted to the forums, it might start getting traction. I can't see it being very widespread because it requires the target to have very fast reactions to get through the appropriate menu options plus the engaged ship has to have enough EHP to survive the time between initial attack and the pilot re-boarding. This is again something that seems like it'll be very niche and limited in capability, and if we learned anything from hyperdunking, that means it'll be patched in some fashion eventually. To the OP - It's still in very, very bad form however to post about this on the forums, but I think that's already been pointed out. If it is a glitch or unintended loophole, you're supposed to file a ticket so CCP can nip it in the bud before it becomes a bigger problem. Blasting it on the forums makes their job harder and will endear you to no-one. dont get your hopes up, quick google search shows this has been discussed since as far back as 2009 Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lucas Lucias Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 14	Posted - 2017.02.15 11:20:12 - [72] - Quote DioKahn wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: DioKahn, considering your deliberate disruptive shiptoasting in previous threads, thanks for the hearty laughs I am enjoying from schadenfreude. i second to this. Enjoy it while it lasts. In the end there will be nothing left to argue about and the carebears will have the chatroom that they always wanted.... ill be playing a newer and more interesting game with the rest of the entertainment. I think you are being a bit dumb here, war dec entities use this to catch people they could not catch any other way, I was told by CCP that what they had done was OK so what this player has done is OK.
Major Trant Radchak's Raiders 1594	Posted - 2017.02.15 11:20:29 - [73] - Quote DioKahn wrote: "7. People who continued to aggress the now neutral player got Concorded. For that to happen the player that died must have had his safety set to red. The OP claims they were all Green/Yellow. I would dispute that, but he may have been lied to by the pilot that died, it is common to cover up a stupid act especially when "exploit" was being shouted." Exploits were used and abused and then called "game functionality". You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. If the pilot had his safety set to green he would be perfectly entitled to apply for a reimbursement and submit a bug report. However, how is your statement that he had his safety set to green any less of an opinion, than my statement that it must have been set red?
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 685	Posted - 2017.02.15 11:20:39 - [74] - Quote DioKahn wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: DioKahn, considering your deliberate disruptive shiptoasting in previous threads, thanks for the hearty laughs I am enjoying from schadenfreude. i second to this. Enjoy it while it lasts. In the end there will be nothing left to argue about and the carebears will have the chatroom that they always wanted.... ill be playing a newer and more interesting game with the rest of the entertainment. can i haz your stuff? i dare you to biomass DioKahn now dude, lol. Just Add Water
DioKahn Abyss Squadron Public-Enemy 6	Posted - 2017.02.15 11:21:03 - [75] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: Thanks for the responses guys. I thought there was a LE involved, I was mistaken. I just assumed it would be, as it seems like it ought to. Learning stuff is fun. o7 There should have been.... but this is the new CCP.
DioKahn Abyss Squadron Public-Enemy 6	Posted - 2017.02.15 11:22:09 - [76] - Quote Nat Silverguard wrote: DioKahn wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: DioKahn, considering your deliberate disruptive shiptoasting in previous threads, thanks for the hearty laughs I am enjoying from schadenfreude. i second to this. Enjoy it while it lasts. In the end there will be nothing left to argue about and the carebears will have the chatroom that they always wanted.... ill be playing a newer and more interesting game with the rest of the entertainment. can i haz your stuff? i dare you to biomass DioKahn now dude, lol. Calm down miner. You try too hard. I am speaking about the future. Keep your bummy hands out of my pockets!
Khan Wrenth Ore Oppression Prevention and Salvation 751	Posted - 2017.02.15 11:22:31 - [77] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: dont get your hopes up, quick google search shows this has been discussed since as far back as 2009 I'm not hoping for one thing or another actually; this subject doesn't effect me :) I do appreciate it as a learning moment though. It feels like I learn something new about this game every week. Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 3941	Posted - 2017.02.15 11:25:32 - [78] - Quote DioKahn wrote: Calm down miner. You try too hard. I am speaking about the future. Keep your bummy hands out of my pockets! you could always go to lowsec or null, i mean you will save a wardec fee Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 687	Posted - 2017.02.15 11:27:02 - [79] - Quote DioKahn wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: DioKahn wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: DioKahn, considering your deliberate disruptive shiptoasting in previous threads, thanks for the hearty laughs I am enjoying from schadenfreude. i second to this. Enjoy it while it lasts. In the end there will be nothing left to argue about and the carebears will have the chatroom that they always wanted.... ill be playing a newer and more interesting game with the rest of the entertainment. can i haz your stuff? i dare you to biomass DioKahn now dude, lol. Calm down miner. You try too hard. I am speaking about the future. Keep your bummy hands out of my pockets! the irony. Just Add Water
DioKahn Abyss Squadron Public-Enemy 6	Posted - 2017.02.15 11:31:47 - [80] - Quote I want all pilots to develop this "technique" into their current skill set. I can guarantee you that mercs flying T3's will be ejecting, leaving corp, and flying away with our ships when the fight turns sour. Ive dropped roles and I'm ready to "PvP" in the new EvE.
Major Trant Radchak's Raiders 1596	Posted - 2017.02.15 11:35:37 - [81] - Quote DioKahn wrote: I want all pilots to develop this "technique" into their current skill set. I can guarantee you that mercs flying T3's will be ejecting, leaving corp, and flying away with our ships when the fight turns sour. Ive dropped roles and I'm ready to "PvP" in the new EvE. Dude, you really need to get your head around the mechanics of this game. You should have worked them out by now and I've already explained them in detail above once. You DO NOT need to drop roles. You can simply quit corp and drop directly to the default NPC corp instantly even with roles assigned. What you can't do is go from one player corp to another player corp while roles are still in effect with the first corp. Edit: Oh yes, and as Lan Wang has pointed out below, you can't eject with a weapons timer.
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 689	Posted - 2017.02.15 11:36:53 - [82] - Quote DioKahn wrote: I want all pilots to develop this "technique" into their current skill set. I can guarantee you that mercs flying T3's will be ejecting, leaving corp, and flying away with our ships when the fight turns sour. Ive dropped roles and I'm ready to "PvP" in the new EvE. by all means dude. too bad you'll just be in hisec aren't you, too scared to go lowsec/nullsec right? Just Add Water
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 3944	Posted - 2017.02.15 11:37:04 - [83] - Quote DioKahn wrote: I want all pilots to develop this "technique" into their current skill set. I can guarantee you that mercs flying T3's will be ejecting, leaving corp, and flying away with our ships when the fight turns sour. Ive dropped roles and I'm ready to "PvP" in the new EvE. you cant eject with a weapons timer lol Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Call Serine Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.02.15 11:39:19 - [84] - Quote I found these tears funny as heck. You guys use the same exlpoit to get to your wartargets and now you P***h about when it used against you the "best" way.
Matthias Ancaladron Wrath of Angels 118	Posted - 2017.02.15 11:39:20 - [85] - Quote Thats clever. If I knew his name id like to buy that man a cold quads. I'll make sure to try that sometime, you can leave Corp from the chat Windows right? Seems simple enough.
Jill Agalder Compliant Mining Industries 0	Posted - 2017.02.15 11:39:41 - [86] - Quote I would have shot the pod, than stolen the Paladin and sold it... But hey, what the hell do I know
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 689	Posted - 2017.02.15 11:39:47 - [87] - Quote and if he's in a neutral/NPC corp, he won't be at war anymore either. lol dumbdumb Just Add Water
Matthias Ancaladron Wrath of Angels 118	Posted - 2017.02.15 11:44:50 - [88] - Quote Jill Agalder wrote: I would have shot the pod, than stolen the Paladin and sold it... But hey, what the hell do I know Careful now. If you think too much op will say you're using an exploit too.
Salvos Rhoska 2147	Posted - 2017.02.15 12:06:39 - [89] - Quote DioKahn wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: DioKahn, considering your deliberate disruptive shiptoasting in previous threads, thanks for the hearty laughs I am enjoying from schadenfreude. i second to this. Enjoy it while it lasts. In the end there will be nothing left to argue about and the carebears will have the chatroom that they always wanted.... ill be playing a newer and more interesting game with the rest of the entertainment. Bye-bye! PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 834	Posted - 2017.02.15 12:18:53 - [90] - Quote DioKahn wrote: Speak when spoken to nub.. Said the so-called "Merc" Even my worthless alt's killboard is greener than yours and I do real pvp! When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 3949	Posted - 2017.02.15 12:34:13 - [91] - Quote testsubjiect 12 wrote: you wouldn't know that because your a carebear you're please don't wardec me though i need to run missions and plex my account ok Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel* -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
ApexDynamo Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2017.02.15 13:14:07 - [92] - Quote I think the paladin pilot may of had warp core stabs he was to l33t for a box full of fairys trying to be hard :)
ISD Fractal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1480	Posted - 2017.02.15 13:14:59 - [93] - Quote Forum Rules of Conduct wrote: 16. Posting about bugs and exploits is prohibited. Bugs and exploits should be reported through the proper channels. Bugs should be brought to the attention of CCP by filing a bug report for our Quality Assurance department. Discussions about unverified issues in game can cause unnecessary panic in the community. When there is an issue that the EVE Online community needs to be aware of, it will be communicated via an official statement from CCP after thorough investigation. # Please submit a ticket regarding this kind of thing. Thread closed. ISD Fractal Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

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