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Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
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Posted - 2017.02.21 19:43:51 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:It would make sense to also quarantine the whole station.
Should this outbreak spread, it will be Genolution and the SoCT who will be held responsible.
Just before you comment more about this Mr. Blake.
I seem to recall some of your responses in regards to the Jovians
I won't be defending the commentator concerning this matter. However a strike against SoCT may raise the ire of the Directorate even though they are no longer part of CONCORD.
Just a friendly little reminder.
When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2958
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Posted - 2017.02.21 20:10:08 -
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Casserina Leshrac wrote:However a strike against SoCT may raise the ire of the Directorate even though they are no longer part of CONCORD.
Well-- the Directorate might not really be a going concern anymore. I'm not sure that matters all that much, though; the SOCT apparently used to be the Jovian government in the first place, I think?
(A theocracy, I think? I can't help imagining it as a little bit what might happen if the Elder Visionaries on Achura actually had a meaningful amount of power.)
Basically, they are the Directorate, or maybe just its heirs.
Anyway, has anybody actually struck against the SOCT lately, aside from blowing up Mentor Raish's Gnosis that one time? It seems like something we'd have heard about. |
Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
57
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Posted - 2017.02.21 21:11:09 -
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It's only reminder as to when the last time when an Amarr suggested attacking anything Jove.
And if I recall after Mentor Raish was attacked, Drifters attacked and killed Empress Jamyl I
When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.
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Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1055
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Posted - 2017.02.21 21:13:51 -
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Casserina Leshrac wrote:It's only reminder as to when the last time when an Amarr suggested attacking anything Jove.
And if I recall after Mentor Raish was attacked, Drifters attacked and killed Empress Jamyl I
And 1 + 1 = 2. That will not be forgotten. |
Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
57
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Posted - 2017.02.21 21:26:46 -
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Let's hope not. I would think Imperial Planners would have learned their lessons now after tangling with Jove (and their ilk).
When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.
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Alizabeth Vea
Seraph's Wings
Vengeful Seraph
1065
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Posted - 2017.02.21 21:32:07 -
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I bet I can take them.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
57
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Posted - 2017.02.21 21:54:06 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:I bet I can take them.
And they call us "insane" 
When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1853
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Posted - 2017.02.21 23:58:49 -
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I, too, could win against a corpse in a fight.
The last anyone has heard from any true Jove was when they handed their seat on CONCORD to the Society. There cannot be any more than a handful of them left, if any at all. Their space lies in ruins, with no functioning stargate system, and there has been nary a peep from them even when we knew their territory was being ravaged by the Sansha or when Caroline's Star erupted.
The Jove are gone.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2266
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Posted - 2017.02.22 00:22:36 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:I, too, could win a fight against a corpse.
The last anyone has heard from any true Jove was when they handed their seat on CONCORD to the Society. There cannot be more than a handful of them left, if any at all. Their space lies in ruins, with no functioning stargate system, and there has been nary a peep from them even when we knew their territory was being ravaged by the Sansha or when Caroline's Star erupted.
The Jove are gone, as is their relevance to this discussion.
Allegedly...
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
57
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Posted - 2017.02.22 16:40:48 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:I, too, could win a fight against a corpse.
The last anyone has heard from any true Jove was when they handed their seat on CONCORD to the Society. There cannot be more than a handful of them left, if any at all. Their space lies in ruins, with no functioning stargate system, and there has been nary a peep from them even when we knew their territory was being ravaged by the Sansha or when Caroline's Star erupted.
The Jove are gone, as is their relevance to this discussion.
The Jove, whatever their reasons decided to leave CONCORD.
But in case those want to indulge themselves in battle with them.
For a Dead Race they seem to have some fight left in them and they don't seem to need jump gates since their entire network is down and they can still travel.
When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.
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Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
556
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Posted - 2017.02.22 16:56:57 -
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You seem a bit confused about the timeline of events Miss Leshrac. The Battle of Vak'atioth was over a century ago. It occured seventeen years before the Jovians helped found Concord and long before they withdrew. It would be an understatement to say that a lot has changed since the Amarr-Jove war. |
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
544
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Posted - 2017.02.22 17:28:09 -
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Having lived through most of those years, I can also say from experience that the development of weapons technology in the last century has been advancing at a rather stupendous rate compared to previous centuries.
The Amarrian Admirals at Vak'atioth were complacent and secure in the fact that the only challenge to Amarrian naval power up to that point had been rogue Amarrian naval units. You can rest assured that those of us who grew up in the shadow of that battle have learned its lessons rather well.
Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family.
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Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
57
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Posted - 2017.02.22 18:20:20 -
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I think you all presume too much.
I can agree with Mr. Lok'ri's assessment that the Amarr have are indeed complacent.
Arrogant too.
Perhaps I am wrong, but was there ever a battle where the Empire fought and Jove and won?
When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1875
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Posted - 2017.02.22 18:36:41 -
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You seem to be missing the point, blooder.
The only battle ever fought with the Jove was Vak'atioth, more than one hundred years ago. No other nation has ever challenged them, except perhaps Sansha's Nation in the Jove's final moments of dire weakness, but that cannot be confirmed.
You also seem to have completely ignored everything that has been said about the Jove Directorate's current state.
You also ignored the Admiral Lok'ri's use of the past tense. The Empire learns from its mistakes. It would not be standing right now if it did not.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
764
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Posted - 2017.02.22 18:53:46 -
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Most of why people consider the Jove to be all powerful is because they defeated the Empire at Vak'atioth. Now a hundred years later a Sanist parasite talks of hubris and complacency.
There were no capsuleers and any capsuleer can now do virtually the same thing those Jovian ships did to a comprible baseliner fleet. But is is the Empire you think is behind the times.
As strength goes.
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Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
561
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Posted - 2017.02.22 18:56:19 -
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At the time of Vak'Atioth, the Jove had a monopoly on capsule technology. Almost every capsuleer has first hand experience with the advantage that gives when fighting baseliner commanded vessels. Either way the point is moot for multiple reasons, many of which have already been stated.
Edit: Ayallah beat me to it, but I'll keep my posting simply to echo the point. |
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
388
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Posted - 2017.02.22 20:44:29 -
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The outcome at Vak'atioth is actually phenomenal if you look at fleet compositions, overall numbers, tech that was used by both parties, engagement preparedness and other factors. It was a textbook perfect trap and they still manage to mess it up by losing 1/3rd of their fleet. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
9212
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Posted - 2017.02.22 21:07:19 -
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With due respect to my Amarrian peers, and with understanding of their antipathy to the Jove, I must say this. The Caldari State might not have survived, save for the gift of Capsule technology by the Jove to the Ishukone corporation.
While antipathy is understandable, it has been over a century since Vak'atioth. Do you really have such hatred for the Jove, moreso than for any other, even sometimes the Sabik?
Is it worth stoking such fiery hatred for an enemy already dead and gone, such that you'd cast even their progeny into fire? When that enemy has also done good?
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Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
58
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Posted - 2017.02.22 22:47:13 -
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In the intervening years there has indeed technological upgrades that would make our ancestors green with envy.
However while we can talk about Imperial Advances you overlook the obvious.
Theirs might have equally grown in power. In addition, do they not ply the void without the need of gates.
Tell me again about hubris?
When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1876
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Posted - 2017.02.22 22:50:37 -
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They're dead.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2270
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Posted - 2017.02.22 22:52:27 -
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Not to be a killjoy, but what does this have to do with the OP?
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1876
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Posted - 2017.02.22 22:53:02 -
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Absolutely nothing.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2270
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Posted - 2017.02.22 22:58:24 -
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Ok, just wanted to confirm that we were indeed off track, and that no points valid to the topic were being made.
Please continue.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1797
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Posted - 2017.02.22 23:06:58 -
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Probably a bad question but is there actually Sani aid being supplied or did that get revoked? I'd look for it but...... effort. |
Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
564
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Posted - 2017.02.22 23:12:28 -
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I know all of you bleeding hearts wish that there was some sort of wonderful aid that could be applied, but literally every government in the cluster has made the right decision and cut off all of the possibly infected people. It's terrible but the alternative is much much worse. There is no aid at this point. There may never be.
If you really want to help, use those big capsuleer brains of yours to figure out who spread this thing. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation
Mercenary Coalition
1298
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Posted - 2017.02.22 23:33:51 -
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Karmilla Strife wrote:I know all of you bleeding hearts wish that there was some sort of wonderful aid that could be applied, but literally every government in the cluster has made the right decision and cut off all of the possibly infected people. It's terrible but the alternative is much much worse. There is no aid at this point. There may never be.
If you really want to help, use those big capsuleer brains of yours to figure out who spread this thing.
This may very well be the first time I've ever been called a bleeding heart.
The thing is, we have no data whatsoever to go on when it comes to finding the perpetrators, nor are the authorities likely to share the details of their investigations for very obvious reasons.
What we're preparing for isn't necessarily helping the infected themselves. It's multiple things, including but not limited to:
1. Combat operations against perpetrators, quarantine breakers, etc etc.
2. Humanitarian aid for those affected but not infected (Muttokon II planetside population for instance, still affected given the loss of one of the main logistics pipelines off and on-world as an example).
3. Research and Development into the speck, should the authorities ever release the data they have on the speck, in order to possibly discover treatments, more effective containment, means of detection and scanning it down, etc etc.
There is nothing we can do to aid the infected now. There's potentially a thousand things we can do to help those yet uninfected both in terms of preventative and palliative measures. There may, given the right research, even be a way to help those who might become infected in the future, if we apply enough resources now.
Or we can just sit here and do completely random guesswork about potential perpetrators based on absolutely no solid data. I'm sure that's real helpful. |
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1797
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Posted - 2017.02.22 23:34:36 -
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Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize asking the conclusion of the threads actual topic meant I actually shed a tear about it. Its not something I'm happy to hear about but also something I'm incapable of actually assisting in, logistically or strategically. Maybe before you jump to conclusions on my intent you use those big capsuleer brains of yours and pick up reading comprehension. It quite obviously wasn't a request to help. |
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2274
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Posted - 2017.02.22 23:44:13 -
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Is it me, or did it just get a bit hostile in here?
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
564
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Posted - 2017.02.22 23:56:37 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
This may very well be the first time I've ever been called a bleeding heart.
Not everything is about you sweetie.
actually addressing your points:
1) I doubt the perpetrators live in the same systems as where the attacks occured. Staging assets there is no better an idea than staging assets anywhere else. Any organization prepared for combat already has assets in place and the miracle of faster than light travel will let them enact retribution rather quickly if they choose.
2) I have no problems with providing humanitarian aid to such populations except I'm not welcome in 1/3rd of the affected systems. And really if a planet can't survive without one of their tools for orbital access, is that really the kyonoke's fault? Or mine? (probably, Grr Amarr!) No, it's the local government's fault for poor civil planning. Seriously, some space faring civilization (or capsuleer alliance) could come by and just that that one piece of infrastructure and you'd be at their mercy!
3) Good luck with that. I doubt any government would trust capsuleers with something clearly everyone fears. Let's say they did, how do you propose preparing for such an eventuality? Moving people and equipment to an arbitrary location? You're asking people to prepare to research data that does not exist or they may never have access to. Such a proposal is useless. Feel free to gather the greatest Minmatar minds and have them twiddle their thumbs though. We won't mind. |
Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
564
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Posted - 2017.02.22 23:57:43 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Is it me, or did it just get a bit hostile in here?
An Amarrian praised the actions of the Shakor government. That's never happened on the IGS before so some people have gone back to default mode. |
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