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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1301
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Posted - 2017.02.23 00:17:49 -
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Karmilla Strife wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote: This may very well be the first time I've ever been called a bleeding heart.
Not everything is about you sweetie.
If there's anything more important in this cluster than me and my ego, I want it hunted down and shot.
Quote:1) I doubt the perpetrators live in the same systems as where the attacks occured. Staging assets there is no better an idea than staging assets anywhere else. Any organization prepared for combat already has assets in place and the miracle of faster than light travel will let them enact retribution rather quickly if they choose.
You seemed to miss the containment of quarantine breaches part, but I suppose falling back to cherrypicking was all you had there. It's also about protecting these sites from potential external threats. I can assure you that the deployment of any significant combat assets across New Eden is something we are very familiar with at this point, and having prepared staging areas (particularly when at least one system in question doesn't even have stations) beforehand is a significant aid in this regard.
Quote:2) I have no problems with providing humanitarian aid to such populations except I'm not welcome in 1/3rd of the affected systems. And really if a planet can't survive without one of their tools for orbital access, is that really the kyonoke's fault? Or mine? (probably, Grr Amarr!) No, it's the local government's fault for poor civil planning. Seriously, some space faring civilization (or capsuleer alliance) could come by and just that that one piece of infrastructure and you'd be at their mercy!
There's more to humanitarian aid than merely survival. Muttokon II will survive just fine without our help, but that doesn't mean they haven't been affected by this. The quarantine and loss of a main logistics path is hardly fatal for the population, but any bottleneck like that getting choked off will have impacts on any world and usually the ones that are worst off will feel the effects most strongly. I suppose providing aid to the less fortunate is not a thing you're familiar with, if this is so difficult to grasp.
Quote:3) Good luck with that. I doubt any government would trust capsuleers with something clearly everyone fears. Let's say they did, how do you propose preparing for such an eventuality? Moving people and equipment to an arbitrary location? You're asking people to prepare to research data that does not exist or they may never have access to. Such a proposal is useless. Feel free to gather the greatest Minmatar minds and have them twiddle their thumbs though. We won't mind.
Of course they'd never share the actual speck. That'd be ridiculous. What they might share across New Eden is research data pertaining to the speck. This is more than sufficient for significant research efforts towards all manner of beneficial purposes. We have prepared for this potential eventuality by setting up RnD facilities and having research equipment stocked at the location. It's not like neither the people nor the equipment is sitting idle. At the time of writing, I received a report about a potential breakthrough in neuropeptide isolation (relevant in this case due to the seeming relation the speck may have to prion diseases, and neuropeptide expression being known to be affected by such) from one of the teams working in the facility right now.
You may feel like these are useless efforts, but the simple fact is that they are cheap (a few billion isk has covered the facilities and another couple of billion covered huge stocks of supplies, assets, crew and combat vessels), takes little effort for capsuleers, and they have the potential to prove instrumental. So there really is no reason not to spend the nigh infinitesimal time and resources it takes to do such a thing.
Or is the Pendulum Wars perhaps a more deserving target for our ISK and the lives of crew?
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
766
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Posted - 2017.02.23 01:19:57 -
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Arguing about the usefulness of time spent is even less useful than the actual time spent.
Everyone prepares for disaster differently.
As strength goes.
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Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
565
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Posted - 2017.02.23 01:52:51 -
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Miss Del'thul:
I did ignore quarantine breakers in my initial response to your post. However this was not a complete oversight. As your own multi-day vigil over the afflicted area noted, we are blocked from detecting all civilian structures and traffic. Capsuleers are not currently an effective blockade method.
Secondly I'm not opposed to aid to unafflicted populations even if the aid is not necessary for their survival. But if it isn't, I'm sure there are better uses of capsuleer time and resources.
Third: I maintain my point that spurring directionless research in the hope that it serendipitously assists in combating the kyonoke pathogen is likely worthless in regards to that goal.
I said nothing about the pendulum wars but since you dangled that particular canard, yes. Both the Republic and Empire have encouraged capsuleer participation in that conflict. Presumably this is for economic reasons, I don't particularly understand that decision making process but don't question it either. Neither government has asked for, or commanded capsuleer help regarding the Kyonoke outbreak. In this regard, contributing to the pendulum wars is a more worthwhile endeavor for a loyalist of any nation. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1303
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Posted - 2017.02.23 16:00:24 -
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Karmilla Strife wrote:Miss Del'thul:
I did ignore quarantine breakers in my initial response to your post. However this was not a complete oversight. As your own multi-day vigil over the afflicted area noted, we are blocked from detecting all civilian structures and traffic. Capsuleers are not currently an effective blockade method.
Secondly I'm not opposed to aid to unafflicted populations even if the aid is not necessary for their survival. But if it isn't, I'm sure there are better uses of capsuleer time and resources.
Third: I maintain my point that spurring directionless research in the hope that it serendipitously assists in combating the kyonoke pathogen is likely worthless in regards to that goal.
I said nothing about the pendulum wars but since you dangled that particular canard, yes. Both the Republic and Empire have encouraged capsuleer participation in that conflict. Presumably this is for economic reasons, I don't particularly understand that decision making process but don't question it either. Neither government has asked for, or commanded capsuleer help regarding the Kyonoke outbreak. In this regard, contributing to the pendulum wars is a more worthwhile endeavor for a loyalist of any nation.
Not currently. This to you means we'll never be? When the biowaste hits the fan, we're usually called out to provide our particular brand of renovation services. This is not unprecedented or even rare. There's no reason to assume this is all that different, and thus there is nothing lost in preparing for the eventuality.
That you feel humanitarian aid is a waste of time and resources if it's a capsuleer behind it is almost depressing, because that pretty much just leaves our talents for death and destruction. This to you is better use?
And really, that this research may not prove useful to this situation is enough reason to call it off entirely? When it takes so very little in terms of resources and effort to provide such a venture? It takes almost no effort, and may prove instrumental, but is not worth doing because it might not?
I am genuinely sad for you. You eagerly hobble yourself in blind servitude to people who demonstrably care little for others than themselves, and then even demonize those who try to provide aid and succor to the afflicted of New Eden because they aren't doing it while similarly shackled and bound to the will of those above them. This may sound like condemnation, and in part it is, but the greater part is honest and true grief for whatever spirit remains within you.
I can only imagine what you could achieve, for so many, if it wasn't dulled and extinguished by your... "betters".
Should the situation in Aridia open up to capsuleer aid ventures, I hope there'll be Imperial loyalists who's hearts still hold a flicker of an ember that can be fanned into the warmth needed to care without requiring orders to that effect. |
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2275
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Posted - 2017.02.23 16:13:55 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Of course they'd never share the actual speck. That'd be ridiculous. What they might share across New Eden is research data pertaining to the speck.
This would be like them saying "No, we won't give you the weapon. But here are the blueprints for it..."
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
766
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Posted - 2017.02.23 16:23:19 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:I am genuinely sad for you. You eagerly hobble yourself in blind servitude to people who demonstrably care little for others than themselves, and then even demonize those who try to provide aid and succor to the afflicted of New Eden because they aren't doing it while similarly shackled and bound to the will of those above them. This may sound like condemnation, and in part it is, but the greater part is honest and true grief for whatever spirit remains within you.
I can only imagine what you could achieve, for so many, if it wasn't dulled and extinguished by your... "betters". You have gone way too far up your own ass for a disagreement on if staging humanitarian aid is prudent or not.
As strength goes.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1303
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Posted - 2017.02.23 18:24:16 -
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This situation has not changed who I am or what I think of the Empire's lickspittles, Ayallah. That should not come as a surprise, whether you agree or disagree with my stance on such blind obedience to tyrants and dogma. |
Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
767
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Posted - 2017.02.23 18:50:42 -
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How you have made this about who you are and obedience to tyrants from "it probably is not worth it and your help is not wanted." I will never know.
As strength goes.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1304
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Posted - 2017.02.23 18:54:54 -
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... when you called me out personally? This isn't a very difficult timeline to follow, but I can get some crayons and draw you a map of it. |
Julianni Avala
Ishukone-Raata Corporate Investment Bank Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
160
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:05:43 -
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Perhaps I missed it in all this mess, but what are the current plans (if any) for this area that has been effected?
Chief Financial Officer, Head Diplomat
I-RED GalNet Site
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
767
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:08:16 -
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If you had been paying attention at all you would know I agree with your staging of humaniatrian supplies I defended them in space if you remember. The 'being so far up your own ass' part is from:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:I am genuinely sad for you. ...and the rest of that cringy paragraph you wrote because someone else thinks what you are doing is a waste of time. Its about you getting on a soapbox as if this is some test of your identity because an Angel thinks that the Empires have it handled. It is about writing like a Caille college student who just yesterday volunteered to help the homeless and is so much more spiritual.
Guess what, you can continue to stage humanitarian supllies and Karmilla can continue to think it is a waste of time and neither of you will know until after it all happens. All you are doing right now is arguing with people who have made up their mind and acting like your decisions are somehow superior when that gate has not yet been jumped.
As strength goes.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1304
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:22:50 -
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Have I at any point said anything about what you think of the staging etc? I'm saying, you made it about me when you called me out personally, which was the exact question you asked. And as I said, what you or anyone else thinks of my personal views on Karmilla and her blind obedience to her authorities, you probably shouldn't act surprised at them. They are what they've always been.
I'm honestly not sure what you're whining about here Ayallah. |
Merchant Rova
Pathway to the Next Last Calamity
249
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:41:36 -
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Julianni Avala wrote:Perhaps I missed it in all this mess, but what are the current plans (if any) for this area that has been effected? To be honest? I have been quietly trying to make sense of this thread myself, and I've got nothing. We started off yelling about Blood Raiders trying to do good, or something like that, and now we're at some sort of argument? I seriously have no clue what's going on, but I don't think there's any plans. I think SFRIM was doing something? Maybe get in touch with them. Again, dunno.
Glory to Bob
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2276
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:49:41 -
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Julianni Avala wrote:Perhaps I missed it in all this mess, but what are the current plans (if any) for this area that has been effected? So far the empires have them quarantined. That's about all we know. No requests for assistance have been made and information is basically being treated as need-to-know at this point. Some Capsuleers are staging relief supply nearby, others are waiting for permission to drown the quarantine zones in fire, and still others are sitting back and watching it play out.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Julianni Avala
Ishukone-Raata Corporate Investment Bank Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
160
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:52:20 -
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Thank you for the information and update, Mister Rova and Osyn. I believe I know where SFRIM stands right now, but thought I'd check in with others to be sure.
Chief Financial Officer, Head Diplomat
I-RED GalNet Site
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Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
966
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Posted - 2017.02.23 20:31:42 -
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Unfortunately this thread has several obstacles to serving as the center of coordination it was seemingly made to be. As such I only attend to it sparingly. I or any representative of SFRIM can be contacted for information, subject to operational security, and offers of assistance. As I have said previously though, Kyonoke presents a unique threat profile that renders traditional aid usually futile and, potentially, injurious. We await the direction of the authorities.
"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13
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Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
58
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Posted - 2017.02.24 15:31:24 -
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Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:Unfortunately this thread has several obstacles to serving as the center of coordination it was seemingly made to be. As such I only attend to it sparingly. I or any representative of SFRIM can be contacted for information, subject to operational security, and offers of assistance. As I have said previously though, Kyonoke presents a unique threat profile that renders traditional aid usually futile and, potentially, injurious. We await the direction of the authorities.
Lord Tash-Murkon,
I was never made to act as the "hub" of Amarr efforts for Efu, but rather bring to attention that was a situation and ask for assistance.
Now that we know it is Kyonoke the only answer can be eradication of the station's affected decks or to pull the station of orbit and push it off into a star to insure sterilization is complete.
Humanitarian aid at this time should be the evacuation of all personnel not infected with the virus.
When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2653
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Posted - 2017.02.24 18:14:05 -
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Karmilla Strife wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Is it me, or did it just get a bit hostile in here? An Amarrian praised the actions of the Shakor government. That's never happened on the IGS before so some people have gone back to default mode.
Even a broken chronometer can be right occasionally.
Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
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