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Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 51	Posted - 2017.02.15 16:17:34 - [1] - Quote For those that have doubts about the attacks that has affected each of the Empires across. The Amarr Empire has been affected. It occurs to me that once we have confirmation of the contagion at Efu that there will be two decisions that will be made by Imperial Authorities. 1. The contagion is in fact Kyonoke and since there is no cure known to date that the affected facility will be cleansed. 2. The contagion is not Kyonoke and that there is cure. As of this date, no contingency plans have been made public. This is an appeal to prepare for the second decision. An Appeal to Empress Catiz I of the Amarr Empire I ask Empress Catiz to consider sending or upgrading the relief efforts to Efu. I also suggest to create a staging area in hi-sec space where independent Holders such as myself can drop off supplies. The supplies can then be distributed responsibly without violating security and containment protocols that are in place. I ask this as a citizen of the Empire and my concern for my fellow Amarr trapped on the station. To my fellow Amarr Holders and Capsuleers Efu needs help. Understandably we really don't know what kind of help that they need. Erring on the side of both hope and caution I have decided to take of collection of medical and relief supplies to help keep things going. What we need is the following: 1. A safe spot to gather what is needed 2. A safe way to distribute into the affected areas without violating the quarantines protocols in place. 3. Captains, Holders and CEO's who wish to help with time and Donations to create this secured base for us. Even if you do not wish to risk everything I will take donations at my hangars. Signed, Casserina Leshrac CEO Sanguine Illuminations *When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.*
Alizabeth Vea Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph 1020	Posted - 2017.02.15 17:21:53 - [2] - Quote I'm going to go out on an limb here and say that the Imperial loyalist bloc won't work with a self professed Sani, no matter how good your intentions are. Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Karmilla Strife Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 543	Posted - 2017.02.15 17:57:14 - [3] - Quote The quarantine is in a Genolution station. They aren't Amarr and after the actions of Mentor Raish, I'm inclined to leave them to their fate.
Merchant Rova Pathway to the Next 219	Posted - 2017.02.15 18:11:40 - [4] - Quote Karmilla Strife wrote: The quarantine is in a Genolution station. They aren't Amarr and after the actions of Mentor Raish, I'm inclined to leave them to their fate. Yeah, because, like, there's totally no way it could spread to anywhere else, right guys? Aridia is Amarr space. Just because this is a Genolution station doesn't make it not an Amarrian problem. Glory to Bob
Karmilla Strife Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 543	Posted - 2017.02.15 18:24:38 - [5] - Quote Merchant Rova wrote: Just because this is a Genolution station doesn't make it not an Amarrian problem. Clearly I've been mistaken. I thought that we were trying to respect other nation's sovereignty these days.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 9143	Posted - 2017.02.15 18:28:03 - [6] - Quote Ms. Strife, do your statements represent SFRIM policy? I'd been under the impression after conversation with Lord Tash-Murkon and Directrix Emerita Aspenstar that SFRIM would be handling aid and assistance in Efu. The subsequent quiet had led me to believe it was being handled with a minimum of pomp, a refreshing change in these circles. Was I mistaken? Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Karmilla Strife Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 543	Posted - 2017.02.15 18:49:38 - [7] - Quote No, I do not speak for SFRIM in this matter. I was responding to Miss Leshrac's appeal toward Amarrian Holders and capsuleers.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 9150	Posted - 2017.02.15 18:56:26 - [8] - Quote Duly noted. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Alizabeth Vea Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph 1022	Posted - 2017.02.15 19:13:04 - [9] - Quote Karmilla Strife wrote: The quarantine is in a Genolution station. They aren't Amarr and after the actions of Mentor Raish, I'm inclined to leave them to their fate. This is also a good point. When your enemies are dying from engineered bioweapons, it's best to watch. (I can also point out that planning a defense and study is also a good idea. But then we'd be getting pedantic.) Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 52	Posted - 2017.02.15 19:24:45 - [10] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Ms. Strife, do your statements represent SFRIM policy? I'd been under the impression after conversation with Lord Tash-Murkon and Directrix Emerita Aspenstar that SFRIM would be handling aid and assistance in Efu. The subsequent quiet had led me to believe it was being handled with a minimum of pomp, a refreshing change in these circles. Was I mistaken? I was under the impression that SFRIM was also behind the organizing at this time. However last night one of my sources told me that SFRIM would take a different approach and staying away from the infected systems. This what prompted me to take the action that I did. I am aware being Sani Sabik may have others suspect my motives. But if you all note. NO ONE in the Empire or currently among the Faithful are reacting to this except as a worse case scenario. Obviously if Kyonoke is found at Efu, then extreme and final measures must be taken. If it isn't then what? Also I am happy to wash my hands of this entire relief mission provided something is being done at our end. I perfectly understand how my status as a Sani Sabik may taint the whole affair. *When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.*
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 52	Posted - 2017.02.15 19:36:27 - [11] - Quote Alizabeth Vea wrote: I'm going to go out on an limb here and say that the Imperial loyalist bloc won't work with a self professed Sani, no matter how good your intentions are. I think this deserves a better answer. Even though I somewhat addressed it in an earlier post. My Faith is not asking for this assistance. My Faith has nothing to with this what-so-ever. But as this is happening in the Amarr Space to Amarrian Civilians then it is an Amarr problem. And thus, as an Amarr Holder, my problem. Every Holder's problem. What ever to just helping out your fellows when they are in need. Does it really need to be spelled out the Scriptures or the Apocrypha before we do any sort of action? *When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.*
Utari Onzo Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1554	Posted - 2017.02.15 19:37:13 - [12] - Quote Extreme and final measures should be entirely under the jurisdiction of the station authorities and/or the Empire, not us Capsuleers and certainly not you. I do hope we are in agreement on that front. If they require Capsuleer assistance in doing such a deed, I am sure there are those with the stomach to do what is needed for the good of the greater many. Until then, I would advise against idle public speculation on SFRIM's current policy towards this ongoing situation on the basis of hearsay, and recommend people contact Lord Ibrahim Tash-Murkon for the official and definitive word. "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Alizabeth Vea Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph 1023	Posted - 2017.02.15 19:45:46 - [13] - Quote If SFRIM is actively helping Genolution and the SOCT, I would personally find that reprehensible. Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 52	Posted - 2017.02.15 19:47:37 - [14] - Quote Utari Onzo wrote: Extreme and final measures should be entirely under the jurisdiction of the station authorities and/or the Empire, not us Capsuleers and certainly not you. I do hope we are in agreement on that front. If they require Capsuleer assistance in doing such a deed, I am sure there are those with the stomach to do what is needed for the good of the greater many. Until then, I would advise against idle public speculation on SFRIM's current policy towards this ongoing situation on the basis of hearsay, and recommend people contact Lord Ibrahim Tash-Murkon for the official and definitive word. The worse case scenario is that the Quarantines will fail. Most will be killed as the Imperial Navy is called to incinerate the station. Some will escape the purge and then we capsuleers will be called to hunt down the escapees. If it comes to that. The I will do my duty and cleanse. But only if it comes to that. Right now preparing for something for the better outcome has become the far better idea. *When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.*
Alizabeth Vea Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph 1024	Posted - 2017.02.15 19:49:20 - [15] - Quote Casserina Leshrac wrote: Alizabeth Vea wrote: I'm going to go out on an limb here and say that the Imperial loyalist bloc won't work with a self professed Sani, no matter how good your intentions are. I think this deserves a better answer. Even though I somewhat addressed it in an earlier post. My Faith is not asking for this assistance. My Faith has nothing to with this what-so-ever. But as this is happening in the Amarr Space to Amarrian Civilians then it is an Amarr problem. And thus, as an Amarr Holder, my problem. Every Holder's problem. What ever to just helping out your fellows when they are in need. Does it really need to be spelled out the Scriptures or the Apocrypha before we do any sort of action? I am sure you mean well. However, some of what you've said, ah, begs a response that I am not fit to give. Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1206	Posted - 2017.02.15 19:50:28 - [16] - Quote Alizabeth Vea wrote: If SFRIM is actively helping Genolution and the SOCT, I would personally find that reprehensible. Is providing aid and security to prevent the most lethal contagion known to New Eden from spreading, to a station in Amarr space actually objectionable to you?
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 945	Posted - 2017.02.15 19:52:50 - [17] - Quote There are two contingency plans and supplies acquired. After the CEP's announcement that the contagion was, in fact, the Kyonoke Plague our primary focus shifted to containment under the assumption that the Efu situation was linked; we hope everyone else plans similarly. Luckily, Genolution seems to have their lock down well in hand so at this point we cautiously await more direction from the authorities before initiating an operation for fear of interfering negatively with the present stability. For the security of any future operation and my own sanity under my current workload, I had not drafted a press release or announcement. "I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13
Alizabeth Vea Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph 1024	Posted - 2017.02.15 19:53:46 - [18] - Quote The Imperial Navy has not asked for assistance. No Imperial authority has. Capsuleers have been rushing to do something, whereas I say: let them die. At this point, all of us are as useless as a screendoor on a spaceship. Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Ayallah Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 737	Posted - 2017.02.15 19:59:30 - [19] - Quote Aridia is a very desolate region. It could simply be isolation that gives the Amarrian Empire the appearance of inaction. If they stopped all civilian traffic from Aridia into the rest of the Empire would any of us here be informed? I trust that the Empress will do what is nessicary and correct by god. As strength goes.
Jaret Victorian Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 642	Posted - 2017.02.15 19:59:40 - [20] - Quote Alizabeth Vea wrote: let them die. Public Relations 101 right here. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Follow us on GalNet!
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 52	Posted - 2017.02.15 20:06:14 - [21] - Quote Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote: There are two contingency plans and supplies acquired. After the CEP's announcement that the contagion was, in fact, the Kyonoke Plague our primary focus shifted to containment under the assumption that the Efu situation was linked; we hope everyone else plans similarly. Luckily, Genolution seems to have their lock down well in hand so at this point we cautiously await more direction from the authorities before initiating an operation for fear of interfering negatively with the present stability. For the security of any future operation and my own sanity under my current workload, I had not drafted a press release or announcement. Lord Tash-Murkon. Thank you for the explanation. When the time comes I will be prepared whatever the final decision on the matter should be. *When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.*
Mitara Newelle PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 566	Posted - 2017.02.15 20:10:40 - [22] - Quote Casserina Leshrac wrote: ....And thus, as an Amarr Holder... This will be remedied, heretic. The Theology Council will strike your name from the Book, distribute your title and lands to those more worthy, and in the end it will be as if you never existed. Lady Mitara Newelle of House Sarum, Holder of the Mekhios province of Damnidios Para'nashu, Champion of House Sarum, Sworn Upholder of the Faith, Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Alizabeth Vea Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph 1029	Posted - 2017.02.15 20:16:34 - [23] - Quote Jaret Victorian wrote: Alizabeth Vea wrote: let them die. Public Relations 101 right here. I see we're going to have to get into it again. The key feature of public relations is to communicate effectively one's point. This is also important in diplomacy. If you think public relations is all about making other people like you, good luck with that. Here's my key point, loud and clear. Genolution, as part of the SOCT, is not a friend of the Amarr Empire. We still don't know what Raish did to TES Seraph. However, I do know that one of Empress Jamyl's last official orders was to kill him. For all I know, part of this plague is God's vengeance. In which case, I do not want to stand between God and His objective. While I assume it's not, I still do not wish to help enemies of the Empire. My heart breaks for the Caldari State; I still love my old homeland. However, I know that the authorities have the situation well in hand. You may rest assured that once the culprits behind this attack reveal themselves (assuming that it is not the Hand of God) I will direct the full force and fury of SERAPH upon them. We will scour them from the cluster mercilessly. When the wolves attack the sheep, it is the Syrikos Hounds that defend the flock. Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Ashlar Vellum Esquire Armaments 372	Posted - 2017.02.15 20:20:51 - [24] - Quote Don't jump before the warping titan or how the saying goes. As of now there are no confirmation made about what it is. Second let the proper authorities do their job first, if the plea for assistance arises then do what you can if you are willing. You are not making anything better by rushing or pushing amateur help in such serious matter.
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1814	Posted - 2017.02.15 21:03:06 - [25] - Quote The only work to be done would be to maintain the quarantine and ensure no breaches occur. There is no cure for the Kyonoke Plague. Those infected will die, and the only thing to be done is make sure more are not infected. That will be a job for first the station authorities, and second for the Imperial Navy. Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade Lord Consort of House Sarum
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 53	Posted - 2017.02.15 21:08:13 - [26] - Quote Mitara Newelle wrote: Casserina Leshrac wrote: ....And thus, as an Amarr Holder... This will be remedied, heretic. The Theology Council will strike your name from the Book, distribute your title and lands to those more worthy, and in the end it will be as if you never existed. My Lady I believe that has been tried before. I believe you know where to file the paperwork. In the meantime as along as Agents for the Empire accept my contracts, recognize my loyalty, and of course give me ISK. I suspect that will go nowhere. Now where were we? Ah yes helping our fellows in Efu. *When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.*
Jaret Victorian Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 644	Posted - 2017.02.15 21:27:50 - [27] - Quote The best course of actions is, as was mentioned, would be to wait for communiqu+¬ from Genolution. Meanwhile, Ms. Leshrac, if you'd like to take a more active stance on it, installing a jumplcone in Airaken would help greatly. We do recognize the seriousness of the situation and are welcoming volunteers. The only condition is your desire to assist us should situation go sideways. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Follow us on GalNet!
Ayallah Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 739	Posted - 2017.02.15 21:44:07 - [28] - Quote It seems people earn titles for their children to lose. Makes me less eager to rise in caste every day. Thankfully god made me a Kameira and not a ladder climber. As strength goes.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2925	Posted - 2017.02.15 22:15:35 - [29] - Quote Casserina Leshrac wrote: Now where were we? Ah yes helping our fellows in Efu. Help them how, precisely, if there's no cure for the fatal and highly communicable disease they have?
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1207	Posted - 2017.02.15 22:18:50 - [30] - Quote As stated elsewhere, prepare assets and resources in the relevant locations for whichever way these events turn. This shouldn't be this difficult, really. We have no real information on these events, but there's really only two ways we may end up helping given our particular talents: Logistics and aid supplies, or mass destruction as only we can do it. It's not like this is difficult to prepare for.
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 53	Posted - 2017.02.15 22:42:16 - [31] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Casserina Leshrac wrote: Now where were we? Ah yes helping our fellows in Efu. Help them how, precisely, if there's no cure for the fatal and highly communicable disease they have? But what if they don't? There is no confirmation of Kyonoke at Efu at this time. *When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.*
Alizabeth Vea Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph 1029	Posted - 2017.02.15 22:53:45 - [32] - Quote Four attacks with multiple bioweapons? I suppose that's possible, but that means we are screwed. Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 53	Posted - 2017.02.15 23:07:19 - [33] - Quote Alizabeth Vea wrote: Four attacks with multiple bioweapons? I suppose that's possible, but that means we are screwed. Suspected. Just because Kyonoke was found at one site, doesn't mean it was at the other three. As Miz has said earlier. We must wait to see what direction this will go at any of the sites. *When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.*
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 53	Posted - 2017.02.17 14:36:36 - [34] - Quote Ayallah wrote: Aridia is a very desolate region. It could simply be isolation that gives the Amarrian Empire the appearance of inaction. If they stopped all civilian traffic from Aridia into the rest of the Empire would any of us here be informed? I trust that the Empress will do what is necessary and correct by god. All very good reasons as to why we haven't heard anything. No doubt the Empress does not have an easy decision to make in regards to Efu. My Bestower stands ready to bring relief supplies if needed. My Armageddon stands ready to purge the stars of infection. *When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.*
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 56	Posted - 2017.02.17 20:32:29 - [35] - Quote It seems the source of Kyonoke in Oijanen II has been found. Ships for Taisy will be probably under scrutiny. Since the attack about a week ago we can only hope that Quarantines do the following: 1. Verify it is Kyonoke 2. Trace traffic from the infected zones back to Taisy. 3. Release information regarding the renegades so the Astropolitian Community will be looking for them. I am wondering if the Empire is preparing a Task Force to look for the guilty parties of their path takes them into the Amarr Empire. *When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.*
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1833	Posted - 2017.02.17 21:17:01 - [36] - Quote I am very much getting tired of Sabik who act the role of Imperial loyalist. You are a heretic. You are our enemy. You are not welcome in the Empire and are only allowed within our borders as far as CONCORD law mandates. You do not have the right to ask those of the faith for aid, nor have the clout to speculate on Imperial responses to this crisis and be taken seriously. You are also a useless leader. No one, not even members of your own sick set of cults, is even entertaining the thought of following your 'aid' efforts. As for your titles and lands, Holders have been stripped of them for far less than openly touting themselves to be human-sacrificing blood-guzzlers. I recall personally following the order to destroy Lysus's ship for merely doubting the legitimacy of the Empress, and shortly after he was rightly disowned by the honorable Kor-Azor family. I would not need a direct order to blow you apart, no matter what you were claiming to be doing in Efu. Knowing your ilk, you'd probably try to spread the disease further. If you were prudent, you'd shut your mouth now and fade into the shadows where you belong. Of course, prudence is never the strong suit of a Sabik. I expect you'll have to be shut up with force like the rest of them. Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade Lord Consort of House Sarum
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1236	Posted - 2017.02.17 21:25:44 - [37] - Quote Are there any aid efforts underway for Efu anyway? There's four publicly available stations, five including the inflicted one, so it should logistically be fairly simple. Anyway, whoever decides to head up the Efu efforts, just know that if events play out so Efu finds itself in more dire need of assets, supplies and baseliner personnel trained for emergency situations and Muttokon II does not require them, they should be available for transfer to less... hostile parties than myself.
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1834	Posted - 2017.02.17 21:33:19 - [38] - Quote There has been no official word since the last statement made by the station authorities. Despite it being within Imperial borders, the station counts as being Jove sovereign territory. Or Society territory now, if we are considering them the heirs to their misguided post-human empire. I expect Imperial authorities are monitoring the situation closely, but they have not made a statement thus far. Perhaps they are maintaining a cordon of the station themselves, but I expect capsuleer traffic is not being affected at all. They may not even be allowed on the station, depending on how Genolution wishes to handle this. Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade Lord Consort of House Sarum
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1236	Posted - 2017.02.17 21:36:24 - [39] - Quote Same as all the other sites indeed. I was more curious what capsuleer preparation efforts were being undertaken. Of course, some operational security is to be expected but there's some value in public efforts being undertaken by the right kind of loyalists in order to show baseliners that something is being done and that their plights are noticed.
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1837	Posted - 2017.02.17 21:47:42 - [40] - Quote I can confirm that currently PIE is not considering taking action at this time. We are on alert and watching for any developments we may be able to assist with, but as it stands we can do nothing of value. Medical efforts will not help. The best we could do is provide security for the surrounding area, but the distance from our normal AOO, and the requirement to basically maintain a permanent presence around the station makes it infeasible. I cannot imagine what any capsuleer force could do at this point apart from blockading the station to try to prevent ships from docking or leaving. If the speck is still contained, this would do nothing. If it is not, then it would do little, as capsuleer ships can use instant warp points to escape, and the majority of baseliner ships will be hidden from our overviews. Frankly, there is nothing of value to be done by a capsuleer. The Imperial Navy can mount a much more effective blockade than we ever could. If they do so, we could provide cover for them, but we still could do little otherwise. Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade Lord Consort of House Sarum
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1236	Posted - 2017.02.17 21:56:43 - [41] - Quote For now, you're right. Best case scenario, this situation will be solved without capsuleers getting involved at any point. If we end up being needed though, it pays to be prepared. Nonetheless, given that the situation is potentially dire for all of our nations Efu isn't really my business beyond curiosity, unless things change quite a bit in the coming days.
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1837	Posted - 2017.02.17 21:58:42 - [42] - Quote We will prepare for the worst, as should you. Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade Lord Consort of House Sarum
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1236	Posted - 2017.02.17 22:03:21 - [43] - Quote what no shut up I don't have deep null asteroid bases entirely off the grid reserved for long term survival nor are they stocked with fine brutor, sebiestor and civire specimens for the repopulation of the human species and you can't prove otherwise shut up
Pieter Tuulinen Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 7111	Posted - 2017.02.17 22:16:35 - [44] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: what no shut up I don't have deep null asteroid bases entirely off the grid reserved for long term survival nor are they stocked with fine brutor, sebiestor and civire specimens for the repopulation of the human species and you can't prove otherwise shut up Send help. For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Alizabeth Vea Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph 1032	Posted - 2017.02.17 22:50:01 - [45] - Quote Help wanted: Looking for fine Ni-Kunni, Deteis, Sebiestor, and True Amarr men and women to work on a deep null asteroid base for the repopulation of the human species. Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1838	Posted - 2017.02.17 22:54:07 - [46] - Quote I am happy to see you can keep up the levity despite the gravity of this situation. Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade Lord Consort of House Sarum
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1236	Posted - 2017.02.17 22:59:55 - [47] - Quote Aldieboo, anyone who hasn't learned to have a laugh in the face of all the things happening across New Eden, even in and with our nations' approval are very poorly equipped to maintain even a sliver of sanity after a while. I hope the actual efforts put forth by various capsuleers out here prove sufficient evidence that a few laughs are not in any way occurring at the expense of those in need.
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 961	Posted - 2017.02.17 23:07:05 - [48] - Quote The necessary preparations are still in place for the large scale aid effort but it looks very much to me that everybody's original plans, of getting consumables and medicine to the afflicted, went out the metaphorical window once we learned it was Kyonoke. I remain hopeful but realistic. If Capsuleers are eventually needed it is probably to supplement the authorities in maintaining quarantine; not in providing aid for those that survive, if any. "I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 56	Posted - 2017.02.17 23:28:11 - [49] - Quote Aldrith Shutaq wrote: I am very much getting tired of Sabik who act the role of Imperial loyalist. You are a heretic. You are our enemy. You are not welcome in the Empire and are only allowed within our borders as far as CONCORD law mandates. You do not have the right to ask those of the faith for aid, nor have the clout to speculate on Imperial responses to this crisis and be taken seriously. You are also a useless leader. No one, not even members of your own sick set of cults, is even entertaining the thought of following your 'aid' efforts. As for your titles and lands, Holders have been stripped of them for far less than openly touting themselves to be human-sacrificing blood-guzzlers. I recall personally following the order to destroy Lysus's ship for merely doubting the legitimacy of the Empress, and shortly after he was rightly disowned by the honorable Kor-Azor family. I would not need a direct order to blow you apart, no matter what you were claiming to be doing in Efu. Knowing your ilk, you'd probably try to spread the disease further. If you were prudent, you'd shut your mouth now and fade into the shadows where you belong. Of course, prudence is never the strong suit of a Sabik. I expect you'll have to be shut up with force like the rest of them. And things get lively when I am away from the terminal. I am so glad that PIE has again acted predictably with attacking the lone Sani Sabik that is only trying help in a desperate situation. Thank you for my confirmation of your intolerance of one person willing to any to assist, by shooting them on sight when they have given you no cause too. You threaten me with things that you have no power to take. I suggest you begin your letter writing campaign to the powers that be. My Title is given to me by my Faith. My holdings are sanctified by CONCORD if not by Empire and Theology Council My security ratings suggest that I can still serve the Empire in some small way. And I will continue to serve until ordered to stop. No corp representative has that power to influence. You have much to learn. It pleases me that you have taken the time to report PIE's intent during the outbreak. Equally it's opinion as to how and when. While I didn't take part on that personally. The simple fact is that you did, and on thread started by one well-intentioned Sani Sabik. So I also thank you for playing my game. You see not all Sani Sabik are the same. *When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.*
Alizabeth Vea Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph 1032	Posted - 2017.02.17 23:44:01 - [50] - Quote Aldrith Shutaq wrote: I am happy to see you can keep up the levity despite the gravity of this situation. My lord, despite your time in the pod, you are still not a warrior at heart. You cling to your humanity well, and I admire you for it. However, those of us that have fought in hell will joke about it to stay sane. Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Ashlar Vellum Esquire Armaments 375	Posted - 2017.02.18 00:52:10 - [51] - Quote Casserina Leshrac wrote: It pleases me that you have taken the time to report PIE's intent during the outbreak. Equally it's opinion as to how and when. While I didn't take part on that personally. The simple fact is that you did, and on thread started by one well-intentioned Sani Sabik. If there is such a thing as "well-intentioned" Sani Sabik you would be the first and that still remains to be seen.
Mitara Newelle PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 569	Posted - 2017.02.18 01:28:14 - [52] - Quote Casserina Leshrac wrote: My Title is given to me by my Faith. My holdings are sanctified by CONCORD if not by Empire and Theology Council You see not all Sani Sabik are the same. Your Title is given to you by another Holder, not by mere Faith. Your Holding is also given to you by another Holder, and to suggest that CONCORD can sanctify anything is absolutely ludicrous. You are all the same in the manner that matters - you are all heretics. Lady Mitara Newelle of House Sarum, Holder of the Mekhios province of Damnidios Para'nashu, Champion of House Sarum, Sworn Upholder of the Faith, Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1840	Posted - 2017.02.18 02:16:36 - [53] - Quote I don't think she knows how feudalism works. Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade Lord Consort of House Sarum
Vulxanis Viceroy Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 242	Posted - 2017.02.18 03:26:53 - [54] - Quote Casserina Leshrac wrote: Thank you for my confirmation of your intolerance of one person willing to any to assist, by shooting them on sight when they have given you no cause too. Heresy is an extremely good reason to shoot someone. Casserina Leshrac wrote: You threaten me with things that you have no power to take. I suggest you begin your letter writing campaign to the powers that be. You speak of falsehoods and claim to have lands that do not exist. Of course he has no power to take anything, for you have naught worth taking. Casserina Leshrac wrote: My Title is given to me by my Faith. That is not how titles work. Casserina Leshrac wrote: My holdings are sanctified by CONCORD if not by Empire and Theology Council. My security ratings suggest that I can still serve the Empire in some small way. And I will continue to serve until ordered to stop. No corp representative has that power to influence. Again you are speaking of holdings that do not exist, for CONCORD has no jurisdiction on any planets. Your obvious addiction to some reality-altering narcotic coupled with undoubtedly an excessive amount of Gallentean virtual reality programs have convinced you that you somehow have holdings. Also, your security status is entirely indicative of how tolerated you are in space. Go planetside, however, and this tolerance will end. In Character: Only responds to "Lord Draconis" Pronounced "Vulzanis" Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4fanm8/eve_in_a_nutshell_and_how_to_crack_it/ Public channel: VXV EVE Twitter: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Vulxanis_Viceroy
Vulxanis Viceroy Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 242	Posted - 2017.02.18 03:27:41 - [55] - Quote Casserina Leshrac wrote: You have much to learn. It pleases me that you have taken the time to report PIE's intent during the outbreak. Equally it's opinion as to how and when. While I didn't take part on that personally. The simple fact is that you did, and on thread started by one well-intentioned Sani Sabik. Much to learn about what? I know your holdings are non-existent because of the system you are appealing to, you obviously do not understand enough to even lie about well enough. You should attend to your significantly deficient concept of reality before presuming the position of having anything of note to impart upon anyone else. A well-intentioned diseased slaver hound covered in gangrene and parasites still requires to be put out of its misery. You offered help that you could not provide, appealed to an Empress that does not recognize your titles, and demanded of others generosity when you yourself follow a heresy so foul it would require a thousand years of tortures worse than the late Lord Aritcio Kor-Azor suffered to cleanse you of it, and yet you claim to be well-intentioned. Casserina Leshrac wrote: So I also thank you for playing my game. Any game you are playing needs to be turned off. Casserina Leshrac wrote: You see not all Sani Sabik are the same. Not all fatal diseases are the same, but the end result is. In Character: Only responds to "Lord Draconis" Pronounced "Vulzanis" Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4fanm8/eve_in_a_nutshell_and_how_to_crack_it/ Public channel: VXV EVE Twitter: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Vulxanis_Viceroy
Pieter Tuulinen Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 7113	Posted - 2017.02.18 09:40:18 - [56] - Quote Alizabeth Vea wrote: Help wanted: Looking for fine Ni-Kunni, Deteis, Sebiestor, and True Amarr men and women to work on a deep null asteroid base for the repopulation of the human species. Deteis, Lizzy? Really? You're dead to me. For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1239	Posted - 2017.02.18 09:52:57 - [57] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Deteis, Lizzy? Really? You're dead to me. See? I told you that you were better off right here. Now get back into the pleasure cag... the living quarters. There's all new oils and stuff.
Alizabeth Vea Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph 1036	Posted - 2017.02.19 00:08:53 - [58] - Quote I thought you were already taken by Mizhara! I only put in the Sebiestor line because I figured Mizhara wouldn't want Arrendis. And I do. Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 57	Posted - 2017.02.20 19:14:35 - [59] - Quote And now we let them burn. It is confirmed that Kyonoke is in Efu. *When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.*
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2651	Posted - 2017.02.21 17:26:48 - [60] - Quote It would make sense to also quarantine the whole station. Should this outbreak spread, it will be Genolution and the SoCT who will be held responsible. Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 57	Posted - 2017.02.21 19:43:51 - [61] - Quote Rodj Blake wrote: It would make sense to also quarantine the whole station. Should this outbreak spread, it will be Genolution and the SoCT who will be held responsible. Just before you comment more about this Mr. Blake. I seem to recall some of your responses in regards to the Jovians I won't be defending the commentator concerning this matter. However a strike against SoCT may raise the ire of the Directorate even though they are no longer part of CONCORD. Just a friendly little reminder. *When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.*
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 2958	Posted - 2017.02.21 20:10:08 - [62] - Quote Casserina Leshrac wrote: However a strike against SoCT may raise the ire of the Directorate even though they are no longer part of CONCORD. Well-- the Directorate might not really be a going concern anymore. I'm not sure that matters all that much, though; the SOCT apparently used to be the Jovian government in the first place, I think? (A theocracy, I think? I can't help imagining it as a little bit what might happen if the Elder Visionaries on Achura actually had a meaningful amount of power.) Basically, they are the Directorate, or maybe just its heirs. Anyway, has anybody actually struck against the SOCT lately, aside from blowing up Mentor Raish's Gnosis that one time? It seems like something we'd have heard about.
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 57	Posted - 2017.02.21 21:11:09 - [63] - Quote It's only reminder as to when the last time when an Amarr suggested attacking anything Jove. And if I recall after Mentor Raish was attacked, Drifters attacked and killed Empress Jamyl I *When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.*
Lunarisse Aspenstar Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1055	Posted - 2017.02.21 21:13:51 - [64] - Quote Casserina Leshrac wrote: It's only reminder as to when the last time when an Amarr suggested attacking anything Jove. And if I recall after Mentor Raish was attacked, Drifters attacked and killed Empress Jamyl I And 1 + 1 = 2. That will not be forgotten.
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 57	Posted - 2017.02.21 21:26:46 - [65] - Quote Let's hope not. I would think Imperial Planners would have learned their lessons now after tangling with Jove (and their ilk). *When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.*
Alizabeth Vea Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph 1065	Posted - 2017.02.21 21:32:07 - [66] - Quote I bet I can take them. Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 57	Posted - 2017.02.21 21:54:06 - [67] - Quote Alizabeth Vea wrote: I bet I can take them. And they call us "insane" *When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.*
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1853	Posted - 2017.02.21 23:58:49 - [68] - Quote I, too, could win against a corpse in a fight. The last anyone has heard from any true Jove was when they handed their seat on CONCORD to the Society. There cannot be any more than a handful of them left, if any at all. Their space lies in ruins, with no functioning stargate system, and there has been nary a peep from them even when we knew their territory was being ravaged by the Sansha or when Caroline's Star erupted. The Jove are gone. Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade Lord Consort of House Sarum
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 2266	Posted - 2017.02.22 00:22:36 - [69] - Quote Aldrith Shutaq wrote: I, too, could win a fight against a corpse. The last anyone has heard from any true Jove was when they handed their seat on CONCORD to the Society. There cannot be more than a handful of them left, if any at all. Their space lies in ruins, with no functioning stargate system, and there has been nary a peep from them even when we knew their territory was being ravaged by the Sansha or when Caroline's Star erupted. The Jove are gone, as is their relevance to this discussion. Allegedly... A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 57	Posted - 2017.02.22 16:40:48 - [70] - Quote Aldrith Shutaq wrote: I, too, could win a fight against a corpse. The last anyone has heard from any true Jove was when they handed their seat on CONCORD to the Society. There cannot be more than a handful of them left, if any at all. Their space lies in ruins, with no functioning stargate system, and there has been nary a peep from them even when we knew their territory was being ravaged by the Sansha or when Caroline's Star erupted. The Jove are gone, as is their relevance to this discussion. The Jove, whatever their reasons decided to leave CONCORD. But in case those want to indulge themselves in battle with them. For a Dead Race they seem to have some fight left in them and they don't seem to need jump gates since their entire network is down and they can still travel. *When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.*
Karmilla Strife Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 556	Posted - 2017.02.22 16:56:57 - [71] - Quote You seem a bit confused about the timeline of events Miss Leshrac. The Battle of Vak'atioth was over a century ago. It occured seventeen years before the Jovians helped found Concord and long before they withdrew. It would be an understatement to say that a lot has changed since the Amarr-Jove war.
Gaven Lok'ri PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 544	Posted - 2017.02.22 17:28:09 - [72] - Quote Having lived through most of those years, I can also say from experience that the development of weapons technology in the last century has been advancing at a rather stupendous rate compared to previous centuries. The Amarrian Admirals at Vak'atioth were complacent and secure in the fact that the only challenge to Amarrian naval power up to that point had been rogue Amarrian naval units. You can rest assured that those of us who grew up in the shadow of that battle have learned its lessons rather well. Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family.
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 57	Posted - 2017.02.22 18:20:20 - [73] - Quote I think you all presume too much. I can agree with Mr. Lok'ri's assessment that the Amarr have are indeed complacent. Arrogant too. Perhaps I am wrong, but was there ever a battle where the Empire fought and Jove and won? *When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.*
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1875	Posted - 2017.02.22 18:36:41 - [74] - Quote You seem to be missing the point, blooder. The only battle ever fought with the Jove was Vak'atioth, more than one hundred years ago. No other nation has ever challenged them, except perhaps Sansha's Nation in the Jove's final moments of dire weakness, but that cannot be confirmed. You also seem to have completely ignored everything that has been said about the Jove Directorate's current state. You also ignored the Admiral Lok'ri's use of the past tense. The Empire learns from its mistakes. It would not be standing right now if it did not. Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade Lord Consort of House Sarum
Ayallah Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 764	Posted - 2017.02.22 18:53:46 - [75] - Quote Most of why people consider the Jove to be all powerful is because they defeated the Empire at Vak'atioth. Now a hundred years later a Sanist parasite talks of hubris and complacency. There were no capsuleers and any capsuleer can now do virtually the same thing those Jovian ships did to a comprible baseliner fleet. But is is the Empire you think is behind the times. As strength goes.
Karmilla Strife Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 561	Posted - 2017.02.22 18:56:19 - [76] - Quote At the time of Vak'Atioth, the Jove had a monopoly on capsule technology. Almost every capsuleer has first hand experience with the advantage that gives when fighting baseliner commanded vessels. Either way the point is moot for multiple reasons, many of which have already been stated. Edit: Ayallah beat me to it, but I'll keep my posting simply to echo the point.
Ashlar Vellum Esquire Armaments 388	Posted - 2017.02.22 20:44:29 - [77] - Quote The outcome at Vak'atioth is actually phenomenal if you look at fleet compositions, overall numbers, tech that was used by both parties, engagement preparedness and other factors. It was a textbook perfect trap and they still manage to mess it up by losing 1/3rd of their fleet.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 9212	Posted - 2017.02.22 21:07:19 - [78] - Quote With due respect to my Amarrian peers, and with understanding of their antipathy to the Jove, I must say this. The Caldari State might not have survived, save for the gift of Capsule technology by the Jove to the Ishukone corporation. While antipathy is understandable, it has been over a century since Vak'atioth. Do you really have such hatred for the Jove, moreso than for any other, even sometimes the Sabik? Is it worth stoking such fiery hatred for an enemy already dead and gone, such that you'd cast even their progeny into fire? When that enemy has also done good? Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 58	Posted - 2017.02.22 22:47:13 - [79] - Quote In the intervening years there has indeed technological upgrades that would make our ancestors green with envy. However while we can talk about Imperial Advances you overlook the obvious. Theirs might have equally grown in power. In addition, do they not ply the void without the need of gates. Tell me again about hubris? *When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.*
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1876	Posted - 2017.02.22 22:50:37 - [80] - Quote They're dead. Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade Lord Consort of House Sarum
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 2270	Posted - 2017.02.22 22:52:27 - [81] - Quote Not to be a killjoy, but what does this have to do with the OP? A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1876	Posted - 2017.02.22 22:53:02 - [82] - Quote Absolutely nothing. Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade Lord Consort of House Sarum
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 2270	Posted - 2017.02.22 22:58:24 - [83] - Quote Ok, just wanted to confirm that we were indeed off track, and that no points valid to the topic were being made. Please continue. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1797	Posted - 2017.02.22 23:06:58 - [84] - Quote Probably a bad question but is there actually Sani aid being supplied or did that get revoked? I'd look for it but...... effort.
Karmilla Strife Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 564	Posted - 2017.02.22 23:12:28 - [85] - Quote I know all of you bleeding hearts wish that there was some sort of wonderful aid that could be applied, but literally every government in the cluster has made the right decision and cut off all of the possibly infected people. It's terrible but the alternative is much much worse. There is no aid at this point. There may never be. If you really want to help, use those big capsuleer brains of yours to figure out who spread this thing.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1298	Posted - 2017.02.22 23:33:51 - [86] - Quote Karmilla Strife wrote: I know all of you bleeding hearts wish that there was some sort of wonderful aid that could be applied, but literally every government in the cluster has made the right decision and cut off all of the possibly infected people. It's terrible but the alternative is much much worse. There is no aid at this point. There may never be. If you really want to help, use those big capsuleer brains of yours to figure out who spread this thing. This may very well be the first time I've ever been called a bleeding heart. The thing is, we have no data whatsoever to go on when it comes to finding the perpetrators, nor are the authorities likely to share the details of their investigations for very obvious reasons. What we're preparing for isn't necessarily helping the infected themselves. It's multiple things, including but not limited to: 1. Combat operations against perpetrators, quarantine breakers, etc etc. 2. Humanitarian aid for those affected but not infected (Muttokon II planetside population for instance, still affected given the loss of one of the main logistics pipelines off and on-world as an example). 3. Research and Development into the speck, should the authorities ever release the data they have on the speck, in order to possibly discover treatments, more effective containment, means of detection and scanning it down, etc etc. There is nothing we can do to aid the infected now. There's potentially a thousand things we can do to help those yet uninfected both in terms of preventative and palliative measures. There may, given the right research, even be a way to help those who might become infected in the future, if we apply enough resources now. Or we can just sit here and do completely random guesswork about potential perpetrators based on absolutely no solid data. I'm sure that's real helpful.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1797	Posted - 2017.02.22 23:34:36 - [87] - Quote Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize asking the conclusion of the threads actual topic meant I actually shed a tear about it. Its not something I'm happy to hear about but also something I'm incapable of actually assisting in, logistically or strategically. Maybe before you jump to conclusions on my intent you use those big capsuleer brains of yours and pick up reading comprehension. It quite obviously wasn't a request to help.
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 2274	Posted - 2017.02.22 23:44:13 - [88] - Quote Is it me, or did it just get a bit hostile in here? A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Karmilla Strife Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 564	Posted - 2017.02.22 23:56:37 - [89] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: This may very well be the first time I've ever been called a bleeding heart. Not everything is about you sweetie. actually addressing your points: 1) I doubt the perpetrators live in the same systems as where the attacks occured. Staging assets there is no better an idea than staging assets anywhere else. Any organization prepared for combat already has assets in place and the miracle of faster than light travel will let them enact retribution rather quickly if they choose. 2) I have no problems with providing humanitarian aid to such populations except I'm not welcome in 1/3rd of the affected systems. And really if a planet can't survive without one of their tools for orbital access, is that really the kyonoke's fault? Or mine? (probably, Grr Amarr!) No, it's the local government's fault for poor civil planning. Seriously, some space faring civilization (or capsuleer alliance) could come by and just that that one piece of infrastructure and you'd be at their mercy! 3) Good luck with that. I doubt any government would trust capsuleers with something clearly everyone fears. Let's say they did, how do you propose preparing for such an eventuality? Moving people and equipment to an arbitrary location? You're asking people to prepare to research data that does not exist or they may never have access to. Such a proposal is useless. Feel free to gather the greatest Minmatar minds and have them twiddle their thumbs though. We won't mind.
Karmilla Strife Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 564	Posted - 2017.02.22 23:57:43 - [90] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: Is it me, or did it just get a bit hostile in here? An Amarrian praised the actions of the Shakor government. That's never happened on the IGS before so some people have gone back to default mode.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1301	Posted - 2017.02.23 00:17:49 - [91] - Quote Karmilla Strife wrote: Mizhara Del'thul wrote: This may very well be the first time I've ever been called a bleeding heart. Not everything is about you sweetie. If there's anything more important in this cluster than me and my ego, I want it hunted down and shot. Quote: 1) I doubt the perpetrators live in the same systems as where the attacks occured. Staging assets there is no better an idea than staging assets anywhere else. Any organization prepared for combat already has assets in place and the miracle of faster than light travel will let them enact retribution rather quickly if they choose. You seemed to miss the containment of quarantine breaches part, but I suppose falling back to cherrypicking was all you had there. It's also about protecting these sites from potential external threats. I can assure you that the deployment of any significant combat assets across New Eden is something we are very familiar with at this point, and having prepared staging areas (particularly when at least one system in question doesn't even have stations) beforehand is a significant aid in this regard. Quote: 2) I have no problems with providing humanitarian aid to such populations except I'm not welcome in 1/3rd of the affected systems. And really if a planet can't survive without one of their tools for orbital access, is that really the kyonoke's fault? Or mine? (probably, Grr Amarr!) No, it's the local government's fault for poor civil planning. Seriously, some space faring civilization (or capsuleer alliance) could come by and just that that one piece of infrastructure and you'd be at their mercy! There's more to humanitarian aid than merely survival. Muttokon II will survive just fine without our help, but that doesn't mean they haven't been affected by this. The quarantine and loss of a main logistics path is hardly fatal for the population, but any bottleneck like that getting choked off will have impacts on any world and usually the ones that are worst off will feel the effects most strongly. I suppose providing aid to the less fortunate is not a thing you're familiar with, if this is so difficult to grasp. Quote: 3) Good luck with that. I doubt any government would trust capsuleers with something clearly everyone fears. Let's say they did, how do you propose preparing for such an eventuality? Moving people and equipment to an arbitrary location? You're asking people to prepare to research data that does not exist or they may never have access to. Such a proposal is useless. Feel free to gather the greatest Minmatar minds and have them twiddle their thumbs though. We won't mind. Of course they'd never share the actual speck. That'd be ridiculous. What they might share across New Eden is research data pertaining to the speck. This is more than sufficient for significant research efforts towards all manner of beneficial purposes. We have prepared for this potential eventuality by setting up RnD facilities and having research equipment stocked at the location. It's not like neither the people nor the equipment is sitting idle. At the time of writing, I received a report about a potential breakthrough in neuropeptide isolation (relevant in this case due to the seeming relation the speck may have to prion diseases, and neuropeptide expression being known to be affected by such) from one of the teams working in the facility right now. You may feel like these are useless efforts, but the simple fact is that they are cheap (a few billion isk has covered the facilities and another couple of billion covered huge stocks of supplies, assets, crew and combat vessels), takes little effort for capsuleers, and they have the potential to prove instrumental. So there really is no reason not to spend the nigh infinitesimal time and resources it takes to do such a thing. Or is the Pendulum Wars perhaps a more deserving target for our ISK and the lives of crew?
Ayallah Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 766	Posted - 2017.02.23 01:19:57 - [92] - Quote Arguing about the usefulness of time spent is even less useful than the actual time spent. Everyone prepares for disaster differently. As strength goes.
Karmilla Strife Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 565	Posted - 2017.02.23 01:52:51 - [93] - Quote Miss Del'thul: I did ignore quarantine breakers in my initial response to your post. However this was not a complete oversight. As your own multi-day vigil over the afflicted area noted, we are blocked from detecting all civilian structures and traffic. Capsuleers are not currently an effective blockade method. Secondly I'm not opposed to aid to unafflicted populations even if the aid is not necessary for their survival. But if it isn't, I'm sure there are better uses of capsuleer time and resources. Third: I maintain my point that spurring directionless research in the hope that it serendipitously assists in combating the kyonoke pathogen is likely worthless in regards to that goal. I said nothing about the pendulum wars but since you dangled that particular canard, yes. Both the Republic and Empire have encouraged capsuleer participation in that conflict. Presumably this is for economic reasons, I don't particularly understand that decision making process but don't question it either. Neither government has asked for, or commanded capsuleer help regarding the Kyonoke outbreak. In this regard, contributing to the pendulum wars is a more worthwhile endeavor for a loyalist of any nation.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1303	Posted - 2017.02.23 16:00:24 - [94] - Quote Karmilla Strife wrote: Miss Del'thul: I did ignore quarantine breakers in my initial response to your post. However this was not a complete oversight. As your own multi-day vigil over the afflicted area noted, we are blocked from detecting all civilian structures and traffic. Capsuleers are not currently an effective blockade method. Secondly I'm not opposed to aid to unafflicted populations even if the aid is not necessary for their survival. But if it isn't, I'm sure there are better uses of capsuleer time and resources. Third: I maintain my point that spurring directionless research in the hope that it serendipitously assists in combating the kyonoke pathogen is likely worthless in regards to that goal. I said nothing about the pendulum wars but since you dangled that particular canard, yes. Both the Republic and Empire have encouraged capsuleer participation in that conflict. Presumably this is for economic reasons, I don't particularly understand that decision making process but don't question it either. Neither government has asked for, or commanded capsuleer help regarding the Kyonoke outbreak. In this regard, contributing to the pendulum wars is a more worthwhile endeavor for a loyalist of any nation. Not currently. This to you means we'll never be? When the biowaste hits the fan, we're usually called out to provide our particular brand of renovation services. This is not unprecedented or even rare. There's no reason to assume this is all that different, and thus there is nothing lost in preparing for the eventuality. That you feel humanitarian aid is a waste of time and resources if it's a capsuleer behind it is almost depressing, because that pretty much just leaves our talents for death and destruction. This to you is better use? And really, that this research may not prove useful to this situation is enough reason to call it off entirely? When it takes so very little in terms of resources and effort to provide such a venture? It takes almost no effort, and may prove instrumental, but is not worth doing because it might not? I am genuinely sad for you. You eagerly hobble yourself in blind servitude to people who demonstrably care little for others than themselves, and then even demonize those who try to provide aid and succor to the afflicted of New Eden because they aren't doing it while similarly shackled and bound to the will of those above them. This may sound like condemnation, and in part it is, but the greater part is honest and true grief for whatever spirit remains within you. I can only imagine what you could achieve, for so many, if it wasn't dulled and extinguished by your... "betters". Should the situation in Aridia open up to capsuleer aid ventures, I hope there'll be Imperial loyalists who's hearts still hold a flicker of an ember that can be fanned into the warmth needed to care without requiring orders to that effect.
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 2275	Posted - 2017.02.23 16:13:55 - [95] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Of course they'd never share the actual speck. That'd be ridiculous. What they might share across New Eden is research data pertaining to the speck. This would be like them saying "No, we won't give you the weapon. But here are the blueprints for it..." A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Ayallah Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 766	Posted - 2017.02.23 16:23:19 - [96] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: I am genuinely sad for you. You eagerly hobble yourself in blind servitude to people who demonstrably care little for others than themselves, and then even demonize those who try to provide aid and succor to the afflicted of New Eden because they aren't doing it while similarly shackled and bound to the will of those above them. This may sound like condemnation, and in part it is, but the greater part is honest and true grief for whatever spirit remains within you. I can only imagine what you could achieve, for so many, if it wasn't dulled and extinguished by your... "betters". You have gone way too far up your own ass for a disagreement on if staging humanitarian aid is prudent or not. As strength goes.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1303	Posted - 2017.02.23 18:24:16 - [97] - Quote This situation has not changed who I am or what I think of the Empire's lickspittles, Ayallah. That should not come as a surprise, whether you agree or disagree with my stance on such blind obedience to tyrants and dogma.
Ayallah Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 767	Posted - 2017.02.23 18:50:42 - [98] - Quote How you have made this about who you are and obedience to tyrants from "it probably is not worth it and your help is not wanted." I will never know. As strength goes.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1304	Posted - 2017.02.23 18:54:54 - [99] - Quote ... when you called me out personally? This isn't a very difficult timeline to follow, but I can get some crayons and draw you a map of it.
Julianni Avala Ishukone-Raata Corporate Investment Bank Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 160	Posted - 2017.02.23 19:05:43 - [100] - Quote Perhaps I missed it in all this mess, but what are the current plans (if any) for this area that has been effected? Chief Financial Officer, Head Diplomat I-RED GalNet Site
Ayallah Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 767	Posted - 2017.02.23 19:08:16 - [101] - Quote If you had been paying attention at all you would know I agree with your staging of humaniatrian supplies I defended them in space if you remember. The 'being so far up your own ass' part is from: Mizhara Del'thul wrote: I am genuinely sad for you. ...and the rest of that cringy paragraph you wrote because someone else thinks what you are doing is a waste of time. Its about you getting on a soapbox as if this is some test of your identity because an Angel thinks that the Empires have it handled. It is about writing like a Caille college student who just yesterday volunteered to help the homeless and is so much more spiritual. Guess what, you can continue to stage humanitarian supllies and Karmilla can continue to think it is a waste of time and neither of you will know until after it all happens. All you are doing right now is arguing with people who have made up their mind and acting like your decisions are somehow superior when that gate has not yet been jumped. As strength goes.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1304	Posted - 2017.02.23 19:22:50 - [102] - Quote Have I at any point said anything about what you think of the staging etc? I'm saying, you made it about me when you called me out personally, which was the exact question you asked. And as I said, what you or anyone else thinks of my personal views on Karmilla and her blind obedience to her authorities, you probably shouldn't act surprised at them. They are what they've always been. I'm honestly not sure what you're whining about here Ayallah.
Merchant Rova Pathway to the Next Last Calamity 249	Posted - 2017.02.23 19:41:36 - [103] - Quote Julianni Avala wrote: Perhaps I missed it in all this mess, but what are the current plans (if any) for this area that has been effected? To be honest? I have been quietly trying to make sense of this thread myself, and I've got nothing. We started off yelling about Blood Raiders trying to do good, or something like that, and now we're at some sort of argument? I seriously have no clue what's going on, but I don't think there's any plans. I think SFRIM was doing something? Maybe get in touch with them. Again, dunno. Glory to Bob
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 2276	Posted - 2017.02.23 19:49:41 - [104] - Quote Julianni Avala wrote: Perhaps I missed it in all this mess, but what are the current plans (if any) for this area that has been effected? So far the empires have them quarantined. That's about all we know. No requests for assistance have been made and information is basically being treated as need-to-know at this point. Some Capsuleers are staging relief supply nearby, others are waiting for permission to drown the quarantine zones in fire, and still others are sitting back and watching it play out. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Julianni Avala Ishukone-Raata Corporate Investment Bank Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 160	Posted - 2017.02.23 19:52:20 - [105] - Quote Thank you for the information and update, Mister Rova and Osyn. I believe I know where SFRIM stands right now, but thought I'd check in with others to be sure. Chief Financial Officer, Head Diplomat I-RED GalNet Site
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 966	Posted - 2017.02.23 20:31:42 - [106] - Quote Unfortunately this thread has several obstacles to serving as the center of coordination it was seemingly made to be. As such I only attend to it sparingly. I or any representative of SFRIM can be contacted for information, subject to operational security, and offers of assistance. As I have said previously though, Kyonoke presents a unique threat profile that renders traditional aid usually futile and, potentially, injurious. We await the direction of the authorities. "I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 58	Posted - 2017.02.24 15:31:24 - [107] - Quote Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote: Unfortunately this thread has several obstacles to serving as the center of coordination it was seemingly made to be. As such I only attend to it sparingly. I or any representative of SFRIM can be contacted for information, subject to operational security, and offers of assistance. As I have said previously though, Kyonoke presents a unique threat profile that renders traditional aid usually futile and, potentially, injurious. We await the direction of the authorities. Lord Tash-Murkon, I was never made to act as the "hub" of Amarr efforts for Efu, but rather bring to attention that was a situation and ask for assistance. Now that we know it is Kyonoke the only answer can be eradication of the station's affected decks or to pull the station of orbit and push it off into a star to insure sterilization is complete. Humanitarian aid at this time should be the evacuation of all personnel not infected with the virus. *When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.*
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2653	Posted - 2017.02.24 18:14:05 - [108] - Quote Karmilla Strife wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: Is it me, or did it just get a bit hostile in here? An Amarrian praised the actions of the Shakor government. That's never happened on the IGS before so some people have gone back to default mode. Even a broken chronometer can be right occasionally. Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

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