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Brigadine Ferathine The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult 139	Posted - 2017.02.16 22:26:09 - [1] - Quote 1 drone is about 20% more expensive than a carrier hull. I know its 'player driven' but at what point does it come abusive to the mechanics? I know they changed the requirements but months later the prices are unchanged. Fix it CCP. good grief. If you have to confiscate blueprints then do it. Enough is enough.
Dark Lord Trump Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 322	Posted - 2017.02.16 22:44:28 - [2] - Quote How exactly is confiscating blueprints going to help? All that's going to do is leave a massive black mark on CCP's record, and increase the price further as blueprints leave circulation. I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Hir Miriel Elves In Space 304	Posted - 2017.02.16 22:50:37 - [3] - Quote Your post explains why the price is so high. You are expressing demand for an item, you even take the time to post on forums about the price of the item. You are part of the pent-up demand for an item. This demand is keeping the price high. Basically, Because you, and others, want the drone so badly, the price stays high. If you didn't want it, the price would be lower. Usually the premium item for a specific use, gets an additional value, just because it's the best, and that price isn't usually reflective of how much better it is. People want the "rarest" or "best" items, because other people want them, no other reason. Technically you could argue that people want the "best" items because it makes them more "efficient". But if we were all efficient, we wouldn't be playing games with our time would we. ~ ~~ Thinking inside Schrodinger's sandbox. ~~ ~
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1572	Posted - 2017.02.16 22:53:10 - [4] - Quote Brigadine Ferathine wrote: 1 drone is about 20% more expensive than a carrier hull. I know its 'player driven' but at what point does it come abusive to the mechanics? Never. See, if players did not buy those drones at those inflated prices, the prices would automatically drop. The fact that they are so expensive is proof that they are worth that much ISK to enough players. It's not like you are forced to mine with a rorqual. You don't have to buy excavator drones. If they are too expensive, then just don't buy them. If players make the decision to not buy excavators at this price, this means that demand drops. If demand drops far enough, there will be an oversupply. And an oversupply means more seller competition, and seller competition means falling prices.
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 5606	Posted - 2017.02.16 23:22:12 - [5] - Quote It was indicated that part (or most) of the high cost is attributed to a lack of salvage components. Can anyone confirm? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Do Little Virgin Plc Evictus. 810	Posted - 2017.02.16 23:32:00 - [6] - Quote The big ticket items are Rogue Drone components. Current selling price is roughly 12% more than build material cost. https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprint/?typeid=41030 CCP needs to give us a rogue drone event - Drop some Elite Drone AI and Drone Coronary Units! Those 2 components make up 2/3 the cost of the drone.
Tuttomenui II Aliastra Gallente Federation 463	Posted - 2017.02.16 23:35:52 - [7] - Quote Brigadine Ferathine wrote: 1 drone is about 20% more expensive than a carrier hull. I know its 'player driven' but at what point does it come abusive to the mechanics? I know they changed the requirements but months later the prices are unchanged. Fix it CCP. good grief. If you have to confiscate blueprints then do it. Enough is enough. I am sitting on 800 mil worth of drone AIs I collected from lvl4 missions when they were worthless, =) I hope the prices go up further.
Metzger Dresdner Malevolent Crackheads 6	Posted - 2017.02.16 23:43:02 - [8] - Quote Brigadine Ferathine wrote: 1 drone is about 20% more expensive than a carrier hull. I know its 'player driven' but at what point does it come abusive to the mechanics? I know they changed the requirements but months later the prices are unchanged. Fix it CCP. good grief. If you have to confiscate blueprints then do it. Enough is enough. TLDR: YOU MUST CHARGE WHAT I DEEM FAIR FOR YOUR GOODS.
Sarah Flynt Federation Interstellar Resources Silent Infinity 272	Posted - 2017.02.17 00:11:37 - [9] - Quote Just wait until CCP nerfs them into the ground as should be done anyway, considering how the mineral market keeps crashing because of them. I'm sure their price will adjust downwards instantly. Sick of High-Sec gankers? Join the public channel Anti-ganking and the dedicated intel channel Gank-Intel !
Brigadine Ferathine The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult 139	Posted - 2017.02.17 00:15:37 - [10] - Quote Dark Lord Trump wrote: How exactly is confiscating blueprints going to help? All that's going to do is leave a massive black mark on CCP's record, and increase the price further as blueprints leave circulation. If one group or entity has them all redistributing them wont hurt.
Brigadine Ferathine The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult 139	Posted - 2017.02.17 00:23:36 - [11] - Quote Sarah Flynt wrote: Just wait until CCP nerfs them into the ground as should be done anyway, considering how the mineral market keeps crashing because of them. I'm sure their price will adjust downwards instantly. CCP needs to stop torching everything that isn't PVP. The mineral prices have been too high for years. Its not crashing its returning to normal. Example Before mining changes/additions: 1 Tristan cost about 300k in minerals to make in a station with a maxed out BP. In other words profit was IMPOSSIBLE or slim if you are lucky with the material prices. That cost is down to 250k which means manufacturing is once again profitable for non cruiser t2 and t3s and above or really anything that doesn't require moon goo.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 27659	Posted - 2017.02.17 00:36:26 - [12] - Quote Brigadine Ferathine wrote: Dark Lord Trump wrote: How exactly is confiscating blueprints going to help? All that's going to do is leave a massive black mark on CCP's record, and increase the price further as blueprints leave circulation. If one group or entity has them all redistributing them wont hurt. Oh it'll hurt. It'll hurt CCP's reputation for not needlessly interfering in the sandbox. It'll hurt Eve's reputation for being one of the few games that is almost completely player driven, the market being a part of why that reputation exists. It'll hurt the people that have sourced and invested in those blueprints and the components required to build from them. If people are willing to pay X for an item that is limited in supply, regardless of whether or not that supply limit is natural, why would someone sell it at X-Y? In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded. New Player FAQ Feyd's Survival Pack
Brigadine Ferathine The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult 139	Posted - 2017.02.17 00:38:46 - [13] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Brigadine Ferathine wrote: Dark Lord Trump wrote: How exactly is confiscating blueprints going to help? All that's going to do is leave a massive black mark on CCP's record, and increase the price further as blueprints leave circulation. If one group or entity has them all redistributing them wont hurt. Oh it'll hurt. It'll hurt CCP's reputation for not needlessly interfering in the sandbox. It'll hurt Eve's reputation for being one of the few games that is almost completely player driven, the market being a part of why that reputation exists. It'll hurt the people that have sourced and invested in those blueprints and the components required to build from them. If people are willing to pay X for an item that is limited in supply, regardless of whether or not that limit is natural, why would someone sell it at X-Y? Does the needs of a handful outweigh the needs of a whole game? My guess is you are one of the few who has a BPO.
Max Deveron Deveron Shipyards and Technology 276	Posted - 2017.02.17 00:48:10 - [14] - Quote Brigadine Ferathine wrote: Sarah Flynt wrote: Just wait until CCP nerfs them into the ground as should be done anyway, considering how the mineral market keeps crashing because of them. I'm sure their price will adjust downwards instantly. Example Before mining changes/additions: 1 Tristan cost about 300k in minerals to make in a station with a maxed out BP. In other words profit was IMPOSSIBLE or slim if you are lucky with the material prices. That cost is down to 250k which means manufacturing is once again profitable for non cruiser t2 and t3s and above or really anything that doesn't require moon goo. WTH are you on about? If you are talking about buying minerals from market to make profits....well of course that is insane. All T1 ships are profitable.....if you mine it yourself or have a workforce to do the mining, production costs are nill compared to the selling prices of ships. And before you try to argue that...go do some serious Indy (manufacturing) while having a payroll to budget for corp employees.
Brigadine Ferathine The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult 139	Posted - 2017.02.17 00:51:34 - [15] - Quote Max Deveron wrote: Brigadine Ferathine wrote: Sarah Flynt wrote: Just wait until CCP nerfs them into the ground as should be done anyway, considering how the mineral market keeps crashing because of them. I'm sure their price will adjust downwards instantly. Example Before mining changes/additions: 1 Tristan cost about 300k in minerals to make in a station with a maxed out BP. In other words profit was IMPOSSIBLE or slim if you are lucky with the material prices. That cost is down to 250k which means manufacturing is once again profitable for non cruiser t2 and t3s and above or really anything that doesn't require moon goo. WTH are you on about? If you are talking about buying minerals from market to make profits....well of course that is insane. All T1 ships are profitable.....if you mine it yourself or have a workforce to do the mining, production costs are nill compared to the selling prices of ships. And before you try to argue that...go do some serious Indy (manufacturing) while having a payroll to budget for corp employees. I was using this as an example for the person that was saying the mineral market was crashing. I was making the point that the price of minerals was too high for a long time.
Max Deveron Deveron Shipyards and Technology 276	Posted - 2017.02.17 00:56:12 - [16] - Quote Brigadine Ferathine wrote: Max Deveron wrote: Brigadine Ferathine wrote: Sarah Flynt wrote: Just wait until CCP nerfs them into the ground as should be done anyway, considering how the mineral market keeps crashing because of them. I'm sure their price will adjust downwards instantly. Example Before mining changes/additions: 1 Tristan cost about 300k in minerals to make in a station with a maxed out BP. In other words profit was IMPOSSIBLE or slim if you are lucky with the material prices. That cost is down to 250k which means manufacturing is once again profitable for non cruiser t2 and t3s and above or really anything that doesn't require moon goo. WTH are you on about? If you are talking about buying minerals from market to make profits....well of course that is insane. All T1 ships are profitable.....if you mine it yourself or have a workforce to do the mining, production costs are nill compared to the selling prices of ships. And before you try to argue that...go do some serious Indy (manufacturing) while having a payroll to budget for corp employees. I was using this as an example for the person that was saying the mineral market was crashing. I was making the point that the price of minerals was too high for a long time. Ok, i can buy that then considering that every mineral mechanically speaking is actually only worth .66 ISK
Sarah Flynt Federation Interstellar Resources Silent Infinity 273	Posted - 2017.02.17 00:56:24 - [17] - Quote Brigadine Ferathine wrote: Sarah Flynt wrote: Just wait until CCP nerfs them into the ground as should be done anyway, considering how the mineral market keeps crashing because of them. I'm sure their price will adjust downwards instantly. CCP needs to stop torching everything that isn't PVP. The mineral prices have been too high for years. Its not crashing its returning to normal. Example Before mining changes/additions: 1 Tristan cost about 300k in minerals to make in a station with a maxed out BP. In other words profit was IMPOSSIBLE or slim if you are lucky with the material prices. That cost is down to 250k which means manufacturing is once again profitable for non cruiser t2 and t3s and above or really anything that doesn't require moon goo. And you think the non-profitability of most T1 items has to do with mineral prices? You'll be in for a really bad surprise once mineral prices stabilize down the road. Sick of High-Sec gankers? Join the public channel Anti-ganking and the dedicated intel channel Gank-Intel !
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 27659	Posted - 2017.02.17 00:59:01 - [18] - Quote Brigadine Ferathine wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Brigadine Ferathine wrote: Dark Lord Trump wrote: How exactly is confiscating blueprints going to help? All that's going to do is leave a massive black mark on CCP's record, and increase the price further as blueprints leave circulation. If one group or entity has them all redistributing them wont hurt. Oh it'll hurt. It'll hurt CCP's reputation for not needlessly interfering in the sandbox. It'll hurt Eve's reputation for being one of the few games that is almost completely player driven, the market being a part of why that reputation exists. It'll hurt the people that have sourced and invested in those blueprints and the components required to build from them. If people are willing to pay X for an item that is limited in supply, regardless of whether or not that limit is natural, why would someone sell it at X-Y? Does the needs of a handful outweigh the needs of a whole game? You've yet to show a need for CCP to break a long standing tradition of not interfering in the market unless they absolutely have to. I don't want to pay that much is not a valid reason. They could interfere, but should they? I know of only one incident where they have chosen to do so, which was to do with isk velocity rather than a supply demand issue. I'll guarantee you that the economics guys thought long and hard about it before the decision was made to inject confiscated PLEX from the CCP controlled "central bank" into the market. Quote: My guess is you are one of the few who has a BPO. You'd be wrong. My interest is that I'm a market dabbler and small time industrialist, and I think that your suggestion would set a dangerous precedent if it ever came to pass. In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded. New Player FAQ Feyd's Survival Pack
Aiwha Infinite Point Test Alliance Please Ignore 1228	Posted - 2017.02.17 01:18:40 - [19] - Quote I actually do think CCP needs to add T1 and T2 versions that mine a good deal less but cost less too. Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 27660	Posted - 2017.02.17 01:22:26 - [20] - Quote Aiwha wrote: I actually do think CCP needs to add T1 and T2 versions that mine a good deal less but cost less too. Treating the Excavators somewhat like Geckos in their classification? I wouldn't have a problem with that and it's an idea worth discussing, it's a far more reasonable suggestion than what the OP suggests. In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded. New Player FAQ Feyd's Survival Pack
mkint 1478	Posted - 2017.02.17 01:28:31 - [21] - Quote How does someone who wants to be a producer, especially at such a high level of production, completely fail to understand production? I'm getting the feeling this is a SI toon PLEXing a rorq. And a FOTM chaser on top of it. There's no other way any of this makes sense. What I like most is that there are no arguments for why the prices of these drones need to be cheaper except "I wannit, waaah!" No analysis of the history of the mineral basket or producer price indices. No logical appeal to empathy or emotion. Not even a basic understanding of production costs and markups. No understanding of how supply and demand work, no suggestions for a real, effective price adjustment. Just a tantrum. Maxim 6. If violence wasnGÇÖt your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Dark Lord Trump Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 327	Posted - 2017.02.17 04:48:56 - [22] - Quote Brigadine Ferathine wrote: Dark Lord Trump wrote: How exactly is confiscating blueprints going to help? All that's going to do is leave a massive black mark on CCP's record, and increase the price further as blueprints leave circulation. If one group or entity has them all redistributing them wont hurt. One group or entity does not have them all. They're available in the ORE LP store to anyone who has ORE LP, or has CONCORD LP to trade in, or has the ISK to buy a BPC from someone who does. There's no Excavator cartel, and stealing blueprints from the rich to give them to the poor is anathema to the free market of EvE. Brigadine Ferathine wrote: Does the needs of a handful outweigh the needs of a whole game? My guess is you are one of the few who has a BPO. I fail to see the needs of a whole game. I can't fly a Rorqual, excavators are useless to me and the vast majority of players who also cannot or will not fly a Rorqual. If anything, the Rorqual miners are the handful being outweighed by all the ORE mission runners and incursion runners. Also, Excavator drones don't have a BPO. They only have BPCs, which can be purchased from the ORE LP store and may or may not drop from NPC miner haulers. The fact that you don't understand the market for these blueprints, and believe that they have a BPO, suggests that you are talking out of your buttocks and are just angry you can't afford a Rorqual. I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 1262	Posted - 2017.02.17 05:28:55 - [23] - Quote Atm the Drone coronary units are more of a supply bottleneck than the Elite Drone AIs. Then you have to factor in the ORE LP store bpc to get a cost for these items and yes that makes them expensive still. CCP has already upped the drop rates for the Elite Drone AIs yet not the Drone materials. Someone saw an advantage and likely leveraged that to the hilt like they did the Elite Drone AIs before them. The only way CCP can make them cheaper is to up the drop rates of the AIs and the drone materials and really cause chaos in all the other items that require them or to start having drone sites drop BPCs for the drones as to make that portion cheaper. If it were up to me Id shy away from giving the drone lands too much and create an even distribution everywhere in null/low sec drone sites with the odd super low drop in high. But other than this the only suggestion is Tech 1 or Tech 2 excavators. So a +1 for that. Yet these drones need the largest prenerf and the excavators would have to actually then rise in price like the old Harvester Mining drones. Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
Brigadine Ferathine The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult 139	Posted - 2017.02.17 07:27:29 - [24] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Aiwha wrote: I actually do think CCP needs to add T1 and T2 versions that mine a good deal less but cost less too. Treating the Excavators somewhat like Geckos in their classification? I wouldn't have a problem with that and it's an idea worth discussing, it's a far more reasonable suggestion than what the OP suggests. I could also get on board with this. Maybe the lack of meta like many other things is the issue.
Brigadine Ferathine The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult 139	Posted - 2017.02.17 07:30:49 - [25] - Quote Dark Lord Trump wrote: Brigadine Ferathine wrote: Dark Lord Trump wrote: How exactly is confiscating blueprints going to help? All that's going to do is leave a massive black mark on CCP's record, and increase the price further as blueprints leave circulation. If one group or entity has them all redistributing them wont hurt. One group or entity does not have them all. They're available in the ORE LP store to anyone who has ORE LP, or has CONCORD LP to trade in, or has the ISK to buy a BPC from someone who does. There's no Excavator cartel, and stealing blueprints from the rich to give them to the poor is anathema to the free market of EvE. Brigadine Ferathine wrote: Does the needs of a handful outweigh the needs of a whole game? My guess is you are one of the few who has a BPO. I fail to see the needs of a whole game. I can't fly a Rorqual, excavators are useless to me and the vast majority of players who also cannot or will not fly a Rorqual. If anything, the Rorqual miners are the handful being outweighed by all the ORE mission runners and incursion runners. Also, Excavator drones don't have a BPO. They only have BPCs, which can be purchased from the ORE LP store and may or may not drop from NPC miner haulers. The fact that you don't understand the market for these blueprints, and believe that they have a BPO, suggests that you are talking out of your buttocks and are just angry you can't afford a Rorqual. Actually I can afford a rorq and also, if I'm not mistaken orcas and porcupines(?) can also use them.
Scipio Artelius Savage Moon Society 46900	Posted - 2017.02.17 07:37:45 - [26] - Quote Brigadine Ferathine wrote: Actually I can afford a rorq and also, if I'm not mistaken orcas and porcupines(?) can also use them. Isn't the volume too big to fit in either one?
Brigadine Ferathine The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult 139	Posted - 2017.02.17 07:41:01 - [27] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Brigadine Ferathine wrote: Actually I can afford a rorq and also, if I'm not mistaken orcas and porcupines(?) can also use them. Isn't the volume too big to fit in either one? Yup nevermind. They have the bandwidth but not the volume. Sigh
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 1262	Posted - 2017.02.17 08:47:40 - [28] - Quote Brigadine Ferathine wrote: Scipio Artelius wrote: Brigadine Ferathine wrote: Actually I can afford a rorq and also, if I'm not mistaken orcas and porcupines(?) can also use them. Isn't the volume too big to fit in either one? Yup nevermind. They have the bandwidth but not the volume. Sigh If CCP would make T1 and T2 varients I am sure the bandwidth/volume issue could be addressed here too tbh. Making T1 be an all class drone, the T2 orca and rorqual only and the excavator the rorqual only would be an interesting way to do this transition. Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 3966	Posted - 2017.02.17 09:14:14 - [29] - Quote how long would it take you to make that isk investment back from the drones? about 2 days of mining in a rorq? Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 2	Posted - 2017.02.17 11:37:54 - [30] - Quote The only reason why they are "so expensive" is... Only rorq can use it - so if u gonna mine with a T2 drone, what is a reason to get a RORQ if u could do it pretty good in an WAY CHEAPIER Orca? So people sell that drones as other RORQ ppl need them, to the worse, there aren't so many RORQ pilots so the market is low with that item; Item would cost a LOT if there is not many of them in the market so this mean a none competition at all... Price even rise when it is hard to get needed components..

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