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Kalaratiri Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens 856	Posted - 2017.02.19 10:50:23 - [61] - Quote Please Mizhara. I'd love for you to provide some evidence of anyone involved accusing anyone else of bullying for pointing out allegiances. The pilots of TS-F and those of us who have chosen to fly with them, both currently and in the past, are well aware of the hand wringing and cries of "consequence!" from others. I for one, am eagerly awaiting such an event. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire. This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. - CCP Falcon I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim
Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 1964	Posted - 2017.02.19 11:21:32 - [62] - Quote Normally, my 0.02 isk would be to say "down with this sort of thing", however, given the incomplete information about what this was actually all about, I would need to alter this. So I say, up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B,A, with this sort of thing. Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Masuyo Yuan Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 4	Posted - 2017.02.19 11:39:43 - [63] - Quote There's not much to add from our POV to the statement Jev North made on behalf of MITG. We still stand for pilots that have served their time and left in good standings and will attempt to provide assistance where applicable. Given that Sanxing's inappropriate ultimatum and treatment of the pilot in question also involved Akagi Initative the opportunity to strengthen nascent diplomatic ties arose and the decision to join the surprise attack less than 72 hours afterwards was swiftly felled. Sanxing are welcome to rebuild in Lirsautton once the CONCORD mandated war is over. Now that the slap on the wrist has been delivered the matter is seen as settled.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 3046	Posted - 2017.02.19 11:42:37 - [64] - Quote Still, who was the pilot in question? What did it do? Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Ashlar Vellum Esquire Armaments 378	Posted - 2017.02.19 12:08:01 - [65] - Quote Probably was going around Yakening things up, as usual.
Rossanjiin Eskeitan Guri Raiders 21	Posted - 2017.02.19 14:26:32 - [66] - Quote Korsavius wrote: I am deeply disappointed with how this situation has settled. As a life-long Caldari, I find it both extremely distasteful and offensive that the sole justification for perpetrating these blatant acts of opportunistic greed and violence was the supposedly tainted "honor" of one individual. The subsequent actions taken by MTG and friends is a mockery of true honor, not the support of it. How dare you all appropriate a traditional and core value of Caldari society to justify these actions when much more appropriate alternatives could have and should have taken place first. And even if somehow the individual's honor was put into question by Sanxing, why does it matter? They are a Gallente-based corporation, and interaction with them can be ceased and no one would ever notice the loss. They may try to crawl into State territory shouting about this individual's dishonor and their shouts would fall upon rolling eyes and unreceptive ears. This is such a trivial and profoundly weak reason to try and justify reckless violence. I have my sources, and I am deeply disturbed how quickly these declarations of war went into effect without exploring more sensible options beforehand. I am ashamed of my former employer for not following a just protocol and series of actions to investigate the claims put forth by Sanxing before escalating to a full blown war on behalf of Akagi. Ishukone is renown for being the most progressive megacorporation in terms of advancing a mutually beneficial and healthy relationship with our Federation neighbors. I-RED was founded upon the spirit and ideals set forth by the honorable Gariushi - who came closer than any other man in the history of the Caldari State to mending the wounds of old and creating a lasting peace between our two peoples. The rushed and immature decision to declare war on the prominent Sanxing without first exploring the various alternatives is a betrayal of those ideals. It is a betrayal of what I-RED stands for. It is a betrayal of Ishukone. Alex, my friend, how could you let this happen? Whew! That was ruthless. Calling out your own buddies in such a public atmosphere and taking the high ground. I'd say we may have a place for you in our organization, but even we take care of our own and don't do the whole public backstabbing. Crazy, it looks like you've gone even lower than us. I like you. You're brutal.
Korsavius Revenent Defence Corperation 374	Posted - 2017.02.19 22:07:03 - [67] - Quote Get lost Guri garbage. Anyone who truly knows me knows that this wouldn't be the first time I called out my corporation or home nation on their wrongdoings. Heiian guides me, and Heiian demands it. My statements were not to position myself to take the high ground, they were a call for the current leadership of I-RED to remember who they are and what they stand for. Cold Wind's Blade \|\| Follow I-RED on Google+!
Ashlar Vellum Esquire Armaments 380	Posted - 2017.02.19 22:36:13 - [68] - Quote Why are you so sure you truly know who they are, maybe this is them and you just had wrong impression from the start.
Korsavius Revenent Defence Corperation 374	Posted - 2017.02.19 22:41:26 - [69] - Quote Ashlar Vellum wrote: Why are you so sure you truly know who they are, maybe this is them and you just had wrong impression from the start. I know because I served in I-RED leadership for the majority of my capsuleer career. Cold Wind's Blade \|\| Follow I-RED on Google+!
Rossanjiin Eskeitan Guri Raiders 26	Posted - 2017.02.19 22:49:00 - [70] - Quote Korsavius wrote: Get lost Guri garbage. Anyone who truly knows me knows that this wouldn't be the first time I called out my corporation or home nation on their wrongdoings. Heiian guides me, and Heiian demands it. My statements were not to position myself to take the high ground, they were a call for the current leadership of I-RED to remember who they are and what they stand for. So you're saying you've done this before. Neat. Ashlar Vellum wrote: Why are you so sure you truly know who they are, maybe this is them and you just had wrong impression from the start. This is a great point. In truth, we really don't know who someone truly is until they show it for themselves. Which...Korsavius, you seem to be doing. I wouldn't say you're doing it well. A bit of advice from your new Guri garbage best friend (because I'm a nice guy): Careful with how quick you are to point out others' flaws, unless you're ready for people to bring out your own in full, relentless view.

Ashlar Vellum Esquire Armaments 381	Posted - 2017.02.19 22:49:08 - [71] - Quote Korsavius wrote: Ashlar Vellum wrote: Why are you so sure you truly know who they are, maybe this is them and you just had wrong impression from the start. I know because I served in I-RED leadership for the majority of my capsuleer career. Time passes people change or again wrong impressions from the start, is it really so impossible?
Merchant Rova Pathway to the Next 229	Posted - 2017.02.20 07:04:29 - [72] - Quote All I see is a dressed up way of saying "we killed a mostly undefended citadel to pad our killboard". This might be the strangest way I've seen someone avoid the "no posting killmails" rule. Glory to Bob
Jev North Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group 646	Posted - 2017.02.20 07:33:26 - [73] - Quote Merchant Rova wrote: "we killed a mostly undefended citadel to pad our killboard" Mm. Amusing accusation. Not the first time I've heard it. If anything, we were severely disappointed with the failure of Taisho Xun Yu's allies to show past the second timer. The MITG kill record is beyond salvaging with cheap Astrahus kills. We don't care about numbers; we care about projecting power. "The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love or justice. Ours is founded upon hatred. In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement. Everything else we shall destroy GÇö everything."
Merchant Rova Pathway to the Next 229	Posted - 2017.02.20 08:15:54 - [74] - Quote Jev North wrote: We don't care about numbers; we care about projecting power. I think you're serious, so I'll laugh harder. Kicking over a single highsec citadel doesn't make you powerful nor good pilots. I'm sure you're just as elite as Marmite or Vendeta. Glory to Bob
Jev North Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group 646	Posted - 2017.02.20 08:21:43 - [75] - Quote Who in their right mind would want to be Marmite? We've achieved objectives and left any opposition to, at best, stutter impotent and pointless accusations on the IGS. That's quite enough. "The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love or justice. Ours is founded upon hatred. In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement. Everything else we shall destroy GÇö everything."
Mika Firestorm Your Friendly Neighborhood Logistics 45	Posted - 2017.02.20 08:36:23 - [76] - Quote Alizabeth Vea wrote: Kim-hanni. Go to your room. Think about what you've done. Spank her! No, really, do it. I think sometimes she just does stuff only for someone to catch her and punish. What is even worse, she won't stop while she is formally right, even disregarding that morally she might be terribly wrong. Until someone will catch her and spank, of course. *State the nature of your medical emergency*
Alizabeth Vea Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph 1051	Posted - 2017.02.20 09:22:30 - [77] - Quote Uhhhhhhh. Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Kolodi Ramal Sanxing 356	Posted - 2017.02.20 09:58:31 - [78] - Quote Jev North wrote: If anything, we were severely disappointed with the failure of Taisho Xun Yu's allies to show past the second timer. Our allies were ready to keep at it but I asked them not to. Considering how long the odds against us had proven to be, the hardware wasn't worth spending any more lives to defend.
Alizabeth Vea Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph 1053	Posted - 2017.02.20 18:38:27 - [79] - Quote Right. Strike Commander Kim. You are ordered to fill one hundred sandbags with 2.25 kilograms of silica sand. You are allowed a standard deviation of 6 grams. I suggest you get a scale. The bags shall be stacked in a pyramid type fashion for inspection NLT 2000 25.2YC119 at a location of your choosing within the borders of the Caldari State. Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Pieter Tuulinen Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 7116	Posted - 2017.02.20 18:55:42 - [80] - Quote Shame to see the amount of hand wringing and breast beating over something as simple and common as diplomacy by other means. I see many people who simply ought to know better - on both sides - trying to dress what happened up. I wish they would all cease and desist, or at least be more honest and forthcoming about their agenda and motivations. You can dig as deeply as you like - for myself there was simply a sanctimonious Gallente offering an old and respectable Caldari corporation something as crass as an ultimatum with the promise of "consequences". There were, no doubt, other responses that could have been made, but freeze me if there was anything wrong with a little punitive "asset denial". For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1256	Posted - 2017.02.20 19:04:58 - [81] - Quote Yes, silencing uncomfortable people with violence is pretty much a tradition out here, isn't it? So much 'hand wringing' and 'breast beating' over simple violent thuggery, tsk tsk.
Alizabeth Vea Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph 1054	Posted - 2017.02.20 19:19:49 - [82] - Quote Pearl clutching. You forgot pearl clutching. Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1256	Posted - 2017.02.20 19:22:11 - [83] - Quote And I don't even have a fainting couch handy.
Kolodi Ramal Sanxing 361	Posted - 2017.02.20 19:29:55 - [84] - Quote For the record, Sanxing had no intention of using violence against Akagi/I-RED. Our "unacceptable ultimatum": dismiss the disputed individual from the shelter of Akagi/I-RED within seven days. Our measured and civilized idea of consequences: public release of the details of what the individual did and no possibility of positive relations with I-RED in the future. (By now people can piece together from this thread what was done and by whom anyway.)
Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 1971	Posted - 2017.02.20 19:48:57 - [85] - Quote Kolodi Ramal wrote: (By now people can piece together from this thread what was done and by whom anyway.) They can ? But that sounds like effort. Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Alizabeth Vea Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph 1054	Posted - 2017.02.20 19:54:01 - [86] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: And I don't even have a fainting couch handy. I have one, and cute Ni-Kunni interns to fan me when I get the vapors. I should start selling pearl necklaces. I could make a fortune in the high-sec capsuleer market. Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Pieter Tuulinen Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 7118	Posted - 2017.02.20 20:05:31 - [87] - Quote Mika Firestorm wrote: Alizabeth Vea wrote: Kim-hanni. Go to your room. Think about what you've done. Spank her! No, really, do it. I think sometimes she just does stuff only for someone to catch her and punish. What is even worse, she won't stop while she is formally right, even disregarding that morally she might be terribly wrong. Until someone will catch her and spank, of course. Phrasing For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Pieter Tuulinen Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 7118	Posted - 2017.02.20 20:15:21 - [88] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Yes, silencing uncomfortable people with violence is pretty much a tradition out here, isn't it? So much 'hand wringing' and 'breast beating' over simple violent thuggery, tsk tsk. What's hilarious is a Monster accusing me and my kirjuun of being violent thugs. Yes, we are. Yes, YOU are. Pretty much everyone who has spoken is. You're capsuleers. You kill for money. You kill for status. You kill for friends. You kill for hate. You kill for love. You kill for fun. Winds help me, many of you kill because you can. Now these people you apparently approve of were killed because they threatened someone who answered those threats in a way that seems to have been unanticipated. I'm amazed it was unanticipated. I'm not surprised it ended the way it ended. I am incredibly surprised that hired killers, criminals and paramilitaries are so shocked, though. For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1260	Posted - 2017.02.20 20:38:40 - [89] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Yes, silencing uncomfortable people with violence is pretty much a tradition out here, isn't it? So much 'hand wringing' and 'breast beating' over simple violent thuggery, tsk tsk. What's hilarious is a Monster accusing me and my kirjuun of being violent thugs. Yes, we are. Yes, YOU are. Pretty much everyone who has spoken is. You're capsuleers. You kill for money. You kill for status. You kill for friends. You kill for hate. You kill for love. You kill for fun. Winds help me, many of you kill because you can. Now these people you apparently approve of were killed because they threatened someone who answered those threats in a way that seems to have been unanticipated. I'm amazed it was unanticipated. I'm not surprised it ended the way it ended. I am incredibly surprised that hired killers, criminals and paramilitaries are so shocked, though. Nothing shocking nor unexpected about it. This is pretty much exactly what I expected, given the histories of the people involved and what's been made public here. The thing is though, that's not what the shameless pretense earlier on says, is it? "Oh my, the 'honor' of one of our locusts was impugned, blah blah" and so on isn't exactly the truth, is it? The simple fact of the matter is that diplomatic words were met with violence and topped off with a nice little chest beating cherry on top. The justification, "oh no, someone actually threatened to say something mean but true about someone! TO WAR!". This is not the norm, no matter how much you like to pretend everyone else is as devoid of decency as you claim. These people, like the targets or those who came to their aid, are demonstrably people who don't take such measures and when you look around highsec there's a hell of a lot more of them than there are of us 'monsters'. They just don't get the same notoriety or screentime, since they're quite simply a lot more boring. They do constitute more of a norm than what's been on display right here, and you pretending otherwise is disingenuous at best. Be a monster, I don't really care as I'm not much better in that regard myself. Just stop trying to drag the rest of New Eden down with us, because we really aren't the norm. That's the difference here, and the reason you and yours deserve little more than loathing. You're not even capable of being honest anymore.
Pieter Tuulinen Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 7118	Posted - 2017.02.20 21:29:07 - [90] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Nothing shocking nor unexpected about it. This is pretty much exactly what I expected, given the histories of the people involved and what's been made public here. The thing is though, that's not what the shameless pretense earlier on says, is it? "Oh my, the 'honor' of one of our locusts was impugned, blah blah" and so on isn't exactly the truth, is it? Yes, yes. And you kill Amarr for 'liberty' you filthy terrorist. Mizhara Del'thul wrote: The simple fact of the matter is that diplomatic words were met with violence and topped off with a nice little chest beating cherry on top. The justification, "oh no, someone actually threatened to say something mean but true about someone! TO WAR!". This is not the norm, no matter how much you like to pretend everyone else is as devoid of decency as you claim. These people, like the targets or those who came to their aid, are demonstrably people who don't take such measures and when you look around highsec there's a hell of a lot more of them than there are of us 'monsters'. an ultimatum is chest beating. The ultimatum came with a hard deadline and vague consequences. I-Red and Akagi decided to go to war once the deadline for the ultimatum expired - this was felt to be a proper response to the fact that a filthy foreigner felt he could make demands and threats like that. Now we're told the consequences were economic. Well, given the lack of casualties, one could say that this is true on both sides. Mizhara Del'thul wrote: They just don't get the same notoriety or screentime, since they're quite simply a lot more boring. They do constitute more of a norm than what's been on display right here, and you pretending otherwise is disingenuous at best. Be a monster, I don't really care as I'm not much better in that regard myself. Just stop trying to drag the rest of New Eden down with us, because we really aren't the norm. That's the difference here, and the reason you and yours deserve little more than loathing. You're not even capable of being honest anymore. I think you have so much blood in your eyes that you don't even know what truth is, anymore, Miz. If you don't know me well enough to know I've been honest with you, damned if your opinion about me matters all that much. For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.



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