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Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing
385
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Posted - 2017.02.21 08:03:05 -
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Not all fighting involves spaceships and munitions. Capsuleers tend to forget that. |

Utari Onzo
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1570
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Posted - 2017.02.21 12:35:38 -
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Unfortunatly since I'm not running for the Council this year I can't fight others in the ballot box so there's that option out of the equation.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
747
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Posted - 2017.02.21 13:48:15 -
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Keramor wrote:Yo, it's quite simple. A message was sent. We stick out for our mates, both current and former. **** with one of us and there we go. Bringing sixty people to to kill the Astrahus of a twenty man humanitarian corperation.
What a badass. You really showed everyone how not to **** with you.
As strength goes.
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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
391
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Posted - 2017.02.21 14:00:12 -
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Ayallah wrote:Keramor wrote:Yo, it's quite simple. A message was sent. We stick out for our mates, both current and former. **** with one of us and there we go. Bringing sixty people to to kill the Astrahus of a twenty man humanitarian corperation. What a badass. You really showed everyone how not to **** with you.
I remember PL living in Amammake dropping capital and black ops fleets on T1 militia cruisers.
Pilots living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. |

Merchant Rova
Pathway to the Next
235
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Posted - 2017.02.21 14:05:42 -
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Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:Ayallah wrote:Keramor wrote:Yo, it's quite simple. A message was sent. We stick out for our mates, both current and former. **** with one of us and there we go. Bringing sixty people to to kill the Astrahus of a twenty man humanitarian corperation. What a badass. You really showed everyone how not to **** with you. I remember PL living in Amammake dropping capital and black ops fleets on T1 militia cruisers. Pilots living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. They didn't have a post bragging about it.
Glory to Bob
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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
386
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Posted - 2017.02.21 14:09:32 -
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Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:This discourse is growing even more pointless. Certain elements here a very vocal in Sanxings defence and are casting aspersions on the character of some of Sanxings adversaries.
The following is my personal view:
Reflecting on my own experience from a time outside of MITG/MCF1B I recall a situation I experienced in another Corporation. A theif had infiltrated the Corporation and cleared out most of the groups communal assets over 20 Billion ISK all told and had destroyed some of the Corporations infrastructure on the way out. The CEO and XO were devastated and reassured the members that things would be ok and that time would be needed to repair our fortunes. Morale initially was hit hard, if one of us could do this how many other members could be trusted? The members and officers however banded together despite leaderships protests that they should be the ones to shoulder responsibility and donated extra time, personal assets and ISK directly back into the Corporation that had looked after them so well in the past. Our allies expressed their sympathies and provided logistical aid where possible. All of this was whilst being enlisted in the TLF, having to prosecute a war and living in Low Security space. The Corporation pulled together under solid leadership, genuine loyalty from members, a positive attitude and ultimately became the most powerful TLF enlisted Corporation for a time.
This situation in contrast, was a CONCORD sanctioned attack where Sanxings adversaries engaged them over the course of a week without duplicity. Sanxing had the mandatory grace period before hostilities commenced to make what preparations it could. One small Citadel (which may have been donated to Sanxing in the first place) and some other minor in space assets were destroyed totalling a fraction of the damage my old corporation suffered due to internal sabotage. If Sanxing could not recover from this up front engagement and its allies besides the Minmatar (who I beleive suffered more ISK losses than Sanxing) would not come to their military aid over the course of a week or financial/leadership aid subsequently then perhaps you should focus on what exactly the virtues of this Corporation are you are so vehemently defending here, where words are cheap and your physical actions in its defence are sorely lacking.
Say what you want about MITG or others. We stand up for our members, our leaders and our associates in good standing. The level of support for Sanxing here on the IGS compared to the practical help they received or are receiving is appalling. Likewise the military action taken can not be portrayed as anything other than a minor inconvenience to a Corporation led well, with loyal members and the support of allies and friends. Especially as you know from our official statement that MITG are happy to regard hostilities as ceased.
Consider the above carefully and ask are you a sort of friend like MITG or I-RED or Electus Matari? Or are you simply some moralising bystander willing to give every support to your friends short of actually helping.
Once again this is my personal view and I do not presume to speak for any other entity. Moralising comes not 'cause of violent solution that was chosen, but 'cause of window dressing it as defence of honor and making a questionable decision to solve it while there were other possibilities still open.
Also to a degree cast a bad light on a person whose honor was defended. Then again damsel's honor could be defended for less at times, so yeah.
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Syenna Celeste
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
43
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Posted - 2017.02.21 14:23:29 -
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Merchant Rova wrote:Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:Ayallah wrote:Keramor wrote:Yo, it's quite simple. A message was sent. We stick out for our mates, both current and former. **** with one of us and there we go. Bringing sixty people to to kill the Astrahus of a twenty man humanitarian corperation. What a badass. You really showed everyone how not to **** with you. I remember PL living in Amammake dropping capital and black ops fleets on T1 militia cruisers. Pilots living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. They didn't have a post bragging about it.
You've made a lot of noise in this thread, for a random neutral party with no discernible connection to any of the parties involved.
What's your home J-sig? Asking for a friend, you understand.
Put your hands around my heart and squeeze me until I'm dry.
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Merchant Rova
Pathway to the Next
237
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Posted - 2017.02.21 14:28:53 -
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Syenna Celeste wrote:You've made a lot of noise in this thread, for a random neutral party with no discernible connection to any of the parties involved.
What's your home J-sig? Asking for a friend, you understand. First off, I've done a tiny bit of work with Sanxing before and I would consider Xun an acquaintance.
Second off, if you were actual wormholers, you'd be able to find that J-tag without having to ask.
Glory to Bob
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Syenna Celeste
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
43
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Posted - 2017.02.21 14:34:14 -
[129] - Quote
Merchant Rova wrote: Second off, if you were actual wormholers, you'd be able to find that J-tag without having to ask.
We already know it - The question was a courtesy.
Looking forward to seeing you in space. I'll have someone start up the freezers in anticipation - I'll want whichever of your clones we catch you in for posterity.
Put your hands around my heart and squeeze me until I'm dry.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
748
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Posted - 2017.02.21 16:18:37 -
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Evicting that guy out of his wormhole because he said something you did not like to hear within a page of "we do this to take care of our own."
Having found their sixty kilos Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group proceeds to take pleasure in throwing its weight around. Maybe next you will target highsec miners or one of those ten man FW lowsec corperations.
As strength goes.
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Alizabeth Vea
Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph
1065
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Posted - 2017.02.21 16:47:43 -
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Kolodi Ramal wrote:Alizabeth Vea wrote:Can someone explain to me what a humanitarian organization is? Just so we're on the same page.
Edit: I know I can be flippant. However, I would like to actually know what you mean by humanitarian organization. What defines it specifically? It varies. What it means when we describe Sanxing as a humanitarian organization: Sanxing was created specifically to administer humanitarian aid to the population of the Jin-Mei homeplanet. The aid came from numerous parties through the Villore Assembly - the job of Sanxing was to disburse it. When the relief effort contributed to the Jin-Mei civil war reaching a ceasefire, our new jobs were to help rebuild and to facilitate peace negotiations. The rebuilding hasn't really depended on interstellar support for a little while now, and our facilitations are well in place, so we turned our capsuleer activity to nurturing the prosperity and security of Lirsautton, Ysiette, and the wider Federation when possible. All the while, our internal policies were designed to prioritize baseliner lives and concerns. It was never for its own sake that Sanxing existed. Thank you for your answer. I will probably move this to it's own thread.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Kalaratiri
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
863
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Posted - 2017.02.21 16:52:40 -
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Ah yes. The threat of simple combat is now directly equivalent to evicting someone from their wormhole.
Glad we're keeping this free of hyperbole.
She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. - CCP Falcon
I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
754
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Posted - 2017.02.21 17:00:37 -
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So she asked what his home J-sig was, then backpedaled and said she already knew but wanted him to know they were coming for him and ended with 'see you in space'
And interpreting that as the threat of eviction is hyperbole?
Maybe I just imagine when people make threats they mean them.
As strength goes.
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Kalaratiri
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
863
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Posted - 2017.02.21 17:05:45 -
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Due to the mechanics of living in different classes, the only way Miss Syenna is ever likely to get to engage in combat with him or his corp is by engaging in their home. This isn't difficult to comprehend.
Spirits, I'd be surprised if he came to hers.
She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. - CCP Falcon
I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
755
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Posted - 2017.02.21 17:15:15 -
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If she wanted to find him she would have run a locator agent. The threat was clear in its intent.
As strength goes.
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Merchant Rova
Pathway to the Next
244
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Posted - 2017.02.21 17:20:26 -
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Kalaratiri wrote:Due to the mechanics of living in different classes, the only way Miss Syenna is ever likely to get to engage in combat with him or his corp is by engaging in their home. This isn't difficult to comprehend.
Spirits, I'd be surprised if he came to hers. With our statics, a connection is more than possible.
((I want to point out one thing OOC: P-NXT is not in any way a RP corp and I am the only RPer. If you attempt an eviction, which I'm not going to loudly complain about, evictions are a part of wormhole space, ect ect. come at us OOC, not IC.))
Ayallah wrote:If she wanted to find him she would have run a locator agent. The threat was clear in its intent. Locator agents only work in K-Space. Killboards give out more information on a home hole too.
Glory to Bob
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Syenna Celeste
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
46
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Posted - 2017.02.21 17:56:11 -
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Ayallah wrote: Maybe I just imagine when people make threats they mean them.
You're the only person using the word eviction here. Does PL call it an Invasion every time they want a fight with another group?
Put your hands around my heart and squeeze me until I'm dry.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
7135
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Posted - 2017.02.21 17:56:21 -
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Ayallah wrote:Maybe I just imagine when people make threats they mean them.
Careful with that. I did exactly that and now, apparently, I am a very mean man who doesn't care about baseliners. (You know, except for all the humanitarian work the Tuulinen Foundation does and has done.)
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Keramor
Achura-Waschi Exchange Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
13
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:04:50 -
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Ayallah wrote:Bringing sixty people to to kill the Astrahus of a twenty man humanitarian corperation.
What a badass. You really showed everyone how not to **** with you.
And who lit your fuse? Pissed that we're not talking about your highness enough? Well, tough luck. That aside you're discounting the assorted up to 200+ in GMVA and E'M that were a wee bit involved. It's fine, easy to miss and makes less catchy lines. |

Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
755
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:26:18 -
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Keramor wrote:And who lit your fuse?
Syenna Celeste wrote:You're the only person using the word eviction here. Does PL call it an Invasion every time they want a fight with another group?
I am only here for the good fights.
As strength goes.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1272
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Posted - 2017.02.21 19:02:06 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Careful with that. I did exactly that and now, apparently, I am a very mean man who doesn't care about baseliners. (You know, except for all the humanitarian work the Tuulinen Foundation does and has done.)
Aww, did the widdle hisec beaws scare you?
If a child or cripple comes waving their fist at me, would you think me justified if I started pounding on them? Maybe it'd be okay because I do humanitarian work? I mean, the two surely cancel each other out, somehow?
You're not going to be able to make your actions justified no matter how hard you pretend this was proportionate response. |

Pieter Tuulinen
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
7141
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Posted - 2017.02.21 19:04:37 -
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So, which do you think Sanxing were, Miz? Kids or cripples?
Do go on.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1272
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Posted - 2017.02.21 19:09:42 -
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Probably the kid then, cripple now. We'll see if they'll let this be a learning experience or a death knell. |

Pieter Tuulinen
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
7141
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Posted - 2017.02.21 19:12:12 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Probably the kid then, cripple now. We'll see if they'll let this be a learning experience or a death knell.
Both then. Interesting.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
372
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Posted - 2017.02.21 20:14:45 -
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Syenna Celeste wrote:Ayallah wrote: Maybe I just imagine when people make threats they mean them.
You're the only person using the word eviction here. Does PL call it an Invasion every time they want a fight with another group?
Is this coming from the group that deployed a four (or was it five?) corporation war against a single target for the concept of a perceived threat under the rationale of "take no chances"? Or just you?
I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1985
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Posted - 2017.02.21 20:16:35 -
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Julianni Avala wrote:I would be extremely interested in knowing where exactly you learned the details of the ultimatum that was, as far as I-RED was concerned, confidential and to be kept between the involved parties.
Oh dear, it looks like someone has sprung a leak.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
391
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Posted - 2017.02.21 20:25:23 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Careful with that. I did exactly that and now, apparently, I am a very mean man who doesn't care about baseliners. (You know, except for all the humanitarian work the Tuulinen Foundation does and has done.) Aww, did the widdle hisec beaws scare you? If a child or cripple comes waving their fist at me, would you think me justified if I started pounding on them? Maybe it'd be okay because I do humanitarian work? I mean, the two surely cancel each other out, somehow? You're not going to be able to make your actions justified no matter how hard you pretend this was proportionate response.
Miz, we both know considering our shared employment past that Mercenary work needs no justification and can be a lonely existence, where your word is a precious asset and your comrades are everything. Proportionality is not ever a factor.
As MC say 'It's about the person next to you'. Or as Ushra'Khan say 'We come for our people'. (My bid for an MITG one is 'If you play with PYRE you get burned!')
Whether it is a high sec humanitarian organisation that took a vow of non-violence or hardened pirates, you do as you are hired to or if you mess with one of our few friends, if we can hurt you for it we will. We need no further justification. Neither do you in your current profession.
This set of circumstances is exactly the same as the wreckage MC leaves in its wake after each contract, to your client it's a job well done, to your pilots it's the satisfaction of a successful operation, to observers it is a calling card and an advert, to the target and their friends it's deeply unfair and you are monsters for crushing them for something as crass as ISK or honour.
That is all the justification we need. |

Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
375
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Posted - 2017.02.21 20:38:11 -
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Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:We need no further justification.
...
That is all the justification we need.
So it was done for honor of someone else, but not really, because you felt threatened, but also not really, again, because it really wasn't that bad and Sanxing should just look up and keep going, but not really, because you actually did it because you wanted to and don't need a reason?
EDIT -- Where's my thinking emoji?
I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
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morion
Lighting Build
185
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Posted - 2017.02.21 20:40:29 -
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i would like to use some melodramatic words and end with a ? |

Keramor
Achura-Waschi Exchange Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
15
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Posted - 2017.02.21 22:43:13 -
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Ayallah wrote: I am only here for the good fights.
Great. I was there for a friend. Could have been a good fight, ended up as a no-show. That's how it goes. That aside, fly deadly and so on. |
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