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Don Carn'age Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.26 15:14:00 - [1] Edited by: Don Carn''age on 26/04/2007 15:11:55 Heres a question ive wanted to ask for a long while; Is belt piracy dead Or are the minmatar regions just dead or WHAT? Someone tell me if your still finding dirty miner's in lowsec... or kids with battleships somewhere in EVE :) I miss little gang's of AF's pumping charges into a raven tbh : ) With my corpmates forever finding ships immediately warping to POS's/stations/gates, bieng in large gangs or just bieng over cautious and especially with the expansion of lowsec missions, im finding more and more targets are actually in the 'harder to probe' deadspace zones; i personally havent had a belt kill for quite a while and thus have no use for my fun hunting HAC's and faction cruisers possibly even AF's; i have to go about in my command ships, mega pulsey t2 jobby's or big e-peen BS such as my mach or (old, cheers AOS Brendan!) Navy Mega. Gatecamping (although horribly painful in minmatar regions) is becoming the norm, its okay but rather boring and doesnt have me as quick on the scanner as i used to be, repetetive too i suppose. Sure there are the odd drakes and smaller ships - aswell as odd kills to be had, but surely not as big as it was say, a year and half ago maybe sooner? I personally and from what others have said, have been noticing a decline in belt piracy itself. Hand me your feedback on this one guys : ) DonC [INFOD] 'Customer Services Department' [url=www.infinitus-odium.com/killboard/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=58039][/url]
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.04.26 15:24:00 - [2] We still often run small gang belt ops and have much success so i would say no it is not gone at all. most targets these days do tend to be on gates so sentry tanking ships are more commonly used however both are still definately viable. I think it very much depends on the areas you're in but in these kind of groups you have to be willing to travel a long distance to get targets which can easily be achieved in a few hours in frigate gangs. our typical op of this kind can be as much as 100 jumps round trip and meets much success DE
Stakhanov Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2007.04.26 15:28:00 - [3] Belts seem more dry than they used to be , indeed. Not deserted , but combined with higher pirate density the odds of catching someone are kind of low. People still do complexes though. Metropolis is a wide expanse , but you can still find miners there (even mining barges) with a bit of luck.
TheEndofTheWorld	Posted - 2007.04.26 15:29:00 - [4] lowsec ratting/mining is unrewarding, uninteresting, plenty of pvpers to kill you, and 90%+ engagements end with your death => no one bothers This isn't a game where carebears grow on trees just so you could pick on them just for fun. Where are all the INFOD low-sec ratters?
Agent Li	Posted - 2007.04.26 15:47:00 - [5] Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld lowsec ratting/mining is unrewarding, uninteresting, plenty of pvpers to kill you, and 90%+ engagements end with your death => no one bothers This isn't a game where carebears grow on trees just so you could pick on them just for fun. Where are all the INFOD low-sec ratters? It only ends in your dead 90% of the time if you didn't bring your friends and plan a bit. Frankly, it isn't that dangerous in low sec. I haul and mine there every night. Since I've been on Eve (since late November of last year), I've only been podded twice. Twice. It just isn't that dangerous. Sure, you can get jumped once in a while, but it's not happening anywhere near as often as people say. ------------------ "Don't be afraid to take advantage of your enemy's weaknesses. Becasuse winning is everything after all."
ian666 Minmatar Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.04.26 15:55:00 - [6] Edited by: ian666 on 26/04/2007 15:51:20 Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld lowsec ratting/mining is unrewarding, uninteresting, plenty of pvpers to kill you, and 90%+ engagements end with your death => no one bothers This isn't a game where carebears grow on trees just so you could pick on them just for fun. Where are all the INFOD low-sec ratters? You hit the nail on the head there m8, "unrewarding, uninteresting" the belts need to give more rewards, their very lame atm. The belts 2 day even if you find someone is very unrewarding also for the PVP player, if you lucky u might get a shield tanked Brutix !! ooo the loot... Anyone with experience is in 0.0, low sec unless gate camping = very very little to kill thats going to be worth it.
Johnny Gurkha Villains	Posted - 2007.04.26 15:55:00 - [7] Belt piracy is not dead, the targets are getting smarter and are using the scanner as much as you are. Adapt and survive... or go mining!
ian666 Minmatar Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.04.26 16:01:00 - [8] Edited by: ian666 on 26/04/2007 15:58:57 Originally by: Johnny Gurkha Belt piracy is not dead, the targets are getting smarter and are using the scanner as much as you are. Adapt and survive... or go mining! No they don't, they use Local :-, carebear's best friend, instant notification of who's in local, if there is a pirate he's more then likely hunting !! Even in a Recon he's docked before you can scan him down, why Local ! Nurf local to have a delay or if your cloaked u don't show in the local channel, whats the point in being cloaked if someone can just look in local LOL. You could use an ALT in a covert ops locate them and then jump in and warp to that alt ! but again if the carebear is watching his best friend before u arrive he's already warping to the station on his free insta dock.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.04.26 16:03:00 - [9] Belt piracy is seriously hurting. We hunt mostly in 0.0. The people in 0.0 tend to be a little more attentive than low sec. When I enter a system, one of the following happens within 30 seconds: 1. all of the ratters log out 2. all of the ratters warp to a safespot and cloak 3. all of the ratters warp to a pos. Since most rats don't scramble, and no rats aggro, its impossible to kill anybody who watches local. Options 2 and 3 are irritating, but acceptable, but the first item really needs to be looked at by ccp. Logging out should never be the most useful tool for avoiding PvP. Shamis
ian666 Minmatar Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.04.26 16:07:00 - [10] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Belt piracy is seriously hurting. We hunt mostly in 0.0. The people in 0.0 tend to be a little more attentive than low sec. When I enter a system, one of the following happens within 30 seconds: 1. all of the ratters log out 2. all of the ratters warp to a safespot and cloak 3. all of the ratters warp to a pos. Since most rats don't scramble, and no rats aggro, its impossible to kill anybody who watches local. Options 2 and 3 are irritating, but acceptable, but the first item really needs to be looked at by ccp. Logging out should never be the most useful tool for avoiding PvP. Shamis /Agreed
Liang Nuren Sons of Heaven Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.26 16:15:00 - [11] I think you'll find that most of the people who just log out are macro ratters in noob corps. Not even the 0.0 locals can pin them down. I know Branch/Venal are just infested. Liang My opinions are my own, and do not in any way reflect the beliefs of my corp/alliance.
Royaldo KVA Noble Inc. Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.26 16:36:00 - [12] when i first started around a year ago pointing out macro's in 0.0 people laughed and and said just shot them, but they warp instantly to ss and cloak. then say ala" you bad! go go man gate me, not raven!! leave now!"
Constantinee Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.04.26 16:36:00 - [13] "Is belt piracy dead?" Nope Omerta Syndicate
SARPIDON Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.26 16:37:00 - [14] The more that the gameplay is being changed / tweaked generally screwed around with, the more I want CCP to do away with local. All system detection ability should be skill based, earn the right to know who's around, not a given. Its an old argument, but I just feel its getting more and more relevant.
Cecil Montague Minmatar KarWal Corporation Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.26 16:38:00 - [15] The problem with removing local is that the scanner is not a good defensive tool. If it could auto update so that the person ratting/mining didn't have the spam the button every 2 seconds it might be viable. If the scanner could auto update every few seconds and feed it's data to the overview then it gives someone paying attention a chance to escape. But it also gives the pirate a chance to sneak up and jump their pray if they are focusing too much on the pretty mining lasers. Maybe make max scanning range decrease with the number of degrees scanned. Scanning a full 360 gives you 2au and 5 gives you 50au. The pirate still needs to warp to a local object to get which belt the target is in at which point he might be spotted and have his target flee. "There is no such thing as an effective segment of totality." - Bruce Lee Karwal Security Director and corp Jester.
Lacihtenu	Posted - 2007.04.26 16:57:00 - [16] Edited by: Lacihtenu on 26/04/2007 16:55:56 Originally by: ian666 Edited by: ian666 on 26/04/2007 15:58:57 Originally by: Johnny Gurkha Belt piracy is not dead, the targets are getting smarter and are using the scanner as much as you are. Adapt and survive... or go mining! No they don't, they use Local :-, carebear's best friend, instant notification of who's in local, if there is a pirate he's more then likely hunting !! Even in a Recon he's docked before you can scan him down, Quote: I beg to differ. Before I decided to (Recently) start heading down the road of PvP, I did ALOT of mining in low sec. I'm not sharing them in this thread lol, but I had MANY tactics that kept me safe for the most part. I was only podded maybe a couple of times in the period of a year. I almost NEVER saw anyone speak in local chat either. I mean, at least not the other local miners I knew of. The only people I usually saw chatting it up were unfamiliar travelers, or known pirates of the area lol. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.04.26 17:23:00 - [17] My little raider group finds plenty of Russians ratting in belts, but alas, that is in 0.0, not Empire.
Tahmee Bhakeur	Posted - 2007.04.26 17:27:00 - [18] Edited by: Tahmee Bhakeur on 26/04/2007 17:37:30 Originally by: Don Carn'age Edited by: Don Carn''age on 26/04/2007 15:11:55 Heres a question ive wanted to ask for a long while; Is belt piracy dead Or are the minmatar regions just dead or WHAT? Someone tell me if your still finding dirty miner's in lowsec... or kids with battleships somewhere in EVE :) I miss little gang's of AF's pumping charges into a raven tbh : ) With my corpmates forever finding ships immediately warping to POS's/stations/gates, bieng in large gangs or just bieng over cautious and especially with the expansion of lowsec missions, im finding more and more targets are actually in the 'harder to probe' deadspace zones; i personally havent had a belt kill for quite a while and thus have no use for my fun hunting HAC's and faction cruisers possibly even AF's; i have to go about in my command ships, mega pulsey t2 jobby's or big e-peen BS such as my mach or (old, cheers AOS Brendan!) Navy Mega. Gatecamping (although horribly painful in minmatar regions) is becoming the norm, its okay but rather boring and doesnt have me as quick on the scanner as i used to be, repetetive too i suppose. Sure there are the odd drakes and smaller ships - aswell as odd kills to be had, but surely not as big as it was say, a year and half ago maybe sooner? I personally and from what others have said, have been noticing a decline in belt piracy itself. Hand me your feedback on this one guys : ) DonC [INFOD] 'Customer Services Department' People either mine in high-sec or 0.0. For ratting, 0.0 is it. Go stake a claim in Aridia for low-sec fun.
jimmyjam Gallente Turbulent	Posted - 2007.04.26 17:59:00 - [19] Yeah its a lil slow sometimes but its not dead.If i belt hunt sometimes i will make upwards of 40 jumps looking for targets. Metagaming is a broad term usually used to define any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game,
Leila Kanz Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2007.04.26 18:01:00 - [20] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Belt piracy is seriously hurting. We hunt mostly in 0.0. The people in 0.0 tend to be a little more attentive than low sec. When I enter a system, one of the following happens within 30 seconds: 1. all of the ratters log out 2. all of the ratters warp to a safespot and cloak 3. all of the ratters warp to a pos. Since most rats don't scramble, and no rats aggro, its impossible to kill anybody who watches local. Options 2 and 3 are irritating, but acceptable, but the first item really needs to be looked at by ccp. Logging out should never be the most useful tool for avoiding PvP. Shamis /signed, no more easy kill for us anymore...
Maxpie Split Infinity	Posted - 2007.04.26 18:18:00 - [21] Not much reason to mine in lowsec, really. Personally, I'd put some of the higher end ores (not the best ones though) in lowsec. Same for ratting, why do it in lowsec unless you simply cant do it in 0.0. As for local, they should just change it to "constellation" or "region". Problem solved. He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. He made us... say lies... do things.
Ryas Nia Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.04.26 18:26:00 - [22] I dont know why everyone wants to nerf local.. i find it ever bit as much of a too for figuring out if anyone is in the system as locals do figuring out im there to kill them. God how i would hate to jump into a 150AU wide system with 5 planets all at far ends and have to warp around scanning just to figure out the system has only me in it. That sounds worse than a 15m agro timer when you did not even get the chance to kill anyone because they warped off and jumped to a new system. Recruiting Terrorists
Vladimir Norkoff The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.04.26 19:08:00 - [23] Just killed a Raven this morning in a belt.. Granted the guy was a bit of an idiot.. As long as there is ebay, belt piracy will live..
Don Carn'age Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.26 20:28:00 - [24] Yeah im sure if you look hard enough there are some kills to be had. Pretty good responses so far. It definately has been reduced and i like the overview scanner ideam, more of a radar you thinking? Gate piracy is the way forward, but it jeapordizes the solo/small gang fun that belt piracy en mass brings, i think making missions deadspace harder to probe was silly imo. Keep em coming guys! DonC [INFOD] 'Molden Heath Security Task Force Kommandent' [url=www.infinitus-odium.com/killboard/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=58039][/url]
Petrothian Tong Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.26 20:30:00 - [25] too many pirates, not enough non-pirates, time to pirates other pirates =P -Siggi- ""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur
Zenii	Posted - 2007.04.26 21:16:00 - [26] Well 0.0 belt hunting may not be dead, but as a low sec lowlife, i can certainly say that in my part of the world if belt piracy isn't dead it's certainly got aids.
Auron Shadowbane	Posted - 2007.04.26 21:41:00 - [27] as long as there are new players with much Ç/$ and GTC belt piracy isnt dead. 6day old in a BC in lowsec, ehh? ^^
Nymos Haiduken Industries	Posted - 2007.04.26 21:50:00 - [28] hmm. why not hunt other pirates while looking for prey? i mean surely you'll bump into competition. kill them so there's more carebears left for you to hunt? -- Every time a carebear dies an angel gets their wings (murder one)
Astil	Posted - 2007.04.26 22:02:00 - [29] Edited by: Astil on 26/04/2007 22:02:14 Simple: Make 'Local Chat' an option, not a requirement. As in other Channels: if you don't join, your name doesn't show up. Problem solved. [Note: this as well reduced a minute fraction of lag as if it's not needing to load 650 people talking, it doesn't do it.] Alt, but signed: -Eoskye Expanded: Local is commonly watched.. doing the above will make pilots watch local chat to see who is there [perhaps friendly]. If a pirate enters the area it makes miners/ratters/etc.. aware if the pirate [who is not in local chat] is spotted physically, and thus promotes conversation and working together in the sake of defense. There is the possibility of passive players not joining local chat to avoid a pirate knowing they are there; but who would avoid it, it's human nature, the need to have people around. Anyhow, to end this, I await a responce for ideas/opinions.
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.04.27 04:49:00 - [30] Belt piracy is completely dead. If someone is in a belt it's because either A) they're too noob to know better, and therefore probably have crap loot (ebay players are an exception here), B) it's a TRAP!, C) there isn't a C. Local makes it impossible to get the jump on someone ratting in a belt. Everyone goes straight from the gate to the station to their mission to the station to the gate, warping in at 0km every time. It's beyond GHEY. Hence, I have to resort to killing mission runners in their missions, which they don't even do while I'm online/in local. They wait till I'm completely logged off before they even undock, much less warp to their missions. Because I said so...

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