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Vito Tattaglia New Paradigm Inc. Mass Consortium Alliance 9	Posted - 2011.12.28 03:02:00 - [1] - Quote I've been playing for about a month now, and so far I'm pretty poor in EVE standards. I only have 33 million, and 20 of that was made from selling my christmas gifts. I've been focusing on mining, but that is getting slightly dull, as I'm only making 300k every 7 minutes in my Retriever. Botting is a no go, as I prefer not to be banned. I was thinking of buying a PLEX, but I want that to be a last resort as I want to spend as little money on EVE as possible, other than the monthly sub. Right now I'm trying to train Mining Barge 5 to fly around a Covetor, but that is still 20 days away. What would you guys suggest I do in my position to make some ISK?
J Kunjeh 126	Posted - 2011.12.28 03:05:00 - [2] - Quote Try doing all of the new player career missions....I hear they've beefed up the ISK/Ships/lootz earned and if you complete them all you'll be sitting on another 20-25 million plus a few ships and a pile of skill books. "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á
Tanith YarnDemon Hypernet Inc. Umbrella Chemical Inc 1	Posted - 2011.12.28 03:05:00 - [3] - Quote Whatever you're good at. If you don't know, read up on as much as you possibly can and try it all out. While trading may be most lucrative in theory, if you're poor at it anything will be better. EVE allows you to turn near enough any skill you may have into isk. Personally I made my first few bil purely off of exploration and missions.
Airdorn The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.12.28 03:05:00 - [4] - Quote Do missions.
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1095	Posted - 2011.12.28 03:06:00 - [5] - Quote Scamming is, by far, the best way to make isk. Mining is probably the worst way to make money and is so boring you'll quit the game in frustration before you make enough to recoup your investment in exhumers, mods and skillbooks. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Dirk Magnum Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan 111	Posted - 2011.12.28 03:06:00 - [6] - Quote You're not actually that poor by newb standards. If you want to make more ISK than you are currently, try salvaging. I mean, if you want to stay within predictable, conventional game mechanics. Otherwise, scam, scam, scam. "For example, if you are thinking about selling a Republic Fleet Firetail as a regular Firetail, be sure that the market volume is high on regular Firetails and that there are plenty of buy/sell contracts for Republic Fleet Firetails. [...] The players most interested in Republic Fleet Firetails are going to be players flying regular ones."-á -- PB
Skydell Space Mermaids 28	Posted - 2011.12.28 03:09:00 - [7] - Quote You are doing fine. The trouble is the illusion of needing money. You are training Barge 5 so you need enough to buy a Hulk and enough to replace it. What is it that makes you feel you need more ISK than you have now? When I was a month old in EVE I think I had around 5 mill and I was happy. My plan was to own a Prophecy BC,t hey looked cool and I wanted one. So I played the game, made some ISK and got one. Enjoy it while it lasts. Noobness is valuable.
Samuel Adamms Raven Pack 0	Posted - 2011.12.28 03:10:00 - [8] - Quote EVE is a social game, the best ways of making isk almost always involve interacting with other players. These are going to be more unfamiliar to new players though. In the mean time, try ninja salvaging. You will get about 10mil/hour. There should be a ton of guides online to help you.
Ris Dnalor Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan 123	Posted - 2011.12.28 03:15:00 - [9] - Quote Try everything. In the end do what you enjoy. Or rather, train first to optimize your ability to do what you enjoy. Eventually you may tire of the same old, same old, and train for other things when that happens. In the end, buy plex only when needed. But as you play eve longer you will find the temptation to get that 2nd account grow stronger and stronger. If that happens, bear this in mind. If you find you love pvp above all else. The money you might use to fund that second account, could also be used to buy plex to be sold for isk for the first account, to fund it's pvp activity. Welcome to eve, I hope you enjoy her company as much as I have. o7 Fly well or die well. Ris Dnalor
Infinimo GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 371	Posted - 2011.12.28 03:33:00 - [10] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Scamming is, by far, the best way to make isk. Mining is probably the worst way to make money and is so boring you'll quit the game in frustration before you make enough to recoup your investment in exhumers, mods and skillbooks. this basically, i have never done any grinding and i have ~70bill in assets and isk Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~
Liam Mirren 55	Posted - 2011.12.28 03:35:00 - [11] - Quote As others have stated mining is not very good income, there'll always be people defending it with illogical nonsense but the truth it that it sucks, it's done mostly half-afk with close to zero effort so logically it CAN'T be good income. Ditch mining (unless you really REALLY, honestly, like it), and have a look at your options. - run combat missions, that gives you good and dependable income while you're training up your ship skills - learn about exploration, less repetitive than missions but also less predictable income - (ninja) salvaging, salvage other people's wrecks either with or without their consent (this is VERY good incoem for starters and doesn't take much SP, just effort and a certain mindset) - trading, buy low and sell high. Learn about people's habits and exploit it. Can make massive isk but if you take it too serious it has a habit of turning into Spreadsheets Online. If you keep it simple it's a nice addition to your income - become part of a really active corp that does stuff WAY out of your comfort zone, it'll require you to be bold and be willing to learn and put in effort but tagging along with the "big boys" mostly means you'll see a whole lot of the game, more than you would solo or in a zombie corp, you'll find that in that group there's lots of things to do that lower SP players can do just fine, if they have the will to succeed. Most of the times such willing newbies are helped along just fine, isk and ship wise. There's way more options, if anything don't commit to a single thing because it'll bore you to death after a while. Do different things like a day of trading, some missions clown around with probes for exploration. Keep it interesting and realise that you don't HAVE to grind, at all. Also, isk doesn't HAVE to be a goal. As long as you make more than you lose, why would you really care about how much you have. If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.
Raiykjab Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.12.28 03:54:00 - [12] - Quote I'm curious to know what you choosed as a christmas gift, and I hope you didn't include the implants inside, caus if you did things right you'd have well enough isks to buy yourself a plex and a hulk if you wanted to. Now if you want good isks you are out of luck in your retriever, your covetor won't be much better, I also mine a bit, but only when I'm too lazy to do smth else and still wanna get my injection of videogame (camping static ded for respwan is relaxing too tho). Exploration is nice, but it's very hit and miss. You can make hundreads of millions in two hours when you are freaking lucky, and sometimes you'll do nearly nothing for days. Overall if you skill enough for it you'll be able to do more than solo mining in a hulk. Somewhere between running l3 and l4 missions. Another thing you might have missed is planetary interaction (PI). This will cost you a couple dozens millions isks to setup, but then it's a small passive income you'll cash in from time to time, 100mil a month should be doable on hi-sec planets. Just don't mess up and research what are the goods worth producing, you ll find a few hints by googling the subject. Best money maker would be missions lv 4. Steady income. What I would do if I were you. Setup some PI colonies asap if you didn't, you'll be able to cash in your investement pretty fast, get at least 4 planets for a start. Then get yourself a decent combat ship to mission lv 3 and exploration. I do it in a drake which is a very fine ship when most of your skills aren't combat skills. Learn how to prob, up your support skills, run some lv 3 missions for standing(you need standing with corps if you want to perfect refine your ore), explore some sites, cash in your PI, mine, mix in activities. Sidenote Hulkkagedon will be due soon, so you better be prepared to park your mining ships and do smth else when it lasts. That sums it, fly safe
Dbars Grinding Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 84	Posted - 2011.12.28 05:16:00 - [13] - Quote i would train for probing. Go to Dodixie probe down battleships that are away from the main station. Salvage the lvl 4 missions they are doing. Talk to people you find in missions/local. Find good corp. Later do exploration with said probe skills. /Profit
Brujo Loco Brujeria Teologica 50	Posted - 2011.12.28 05:19:00 - [14] - Quote Pull a EBANK bank Scam ... oh tears were flowing that day. 600 Billion profit !!! Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco
Selinate 186	Posted - 2011.12.28 05:20:00 - [15] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Scamming is, by far, the best way to make isk. Mining is probably the worst way to make money and is so boring you'll quit the game in frustration before you make enough to recoup your investment in exhumers, mods and skillbooks. Why can't people be more thorough when they just say "Scamming is the best way to make isk"? Not all scamming is created equal. Spamming a one trit for 2 billion isk will actually turn out to be isk inefficient compared to level 4 missions. If you actually want to make a decent amount of isk through scamming, you have to rip off people directly through trade windows or other means, or possibly corp theft, but no, scamming in general is not necessarily the best way to make isk.
Aiwha 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda 34	Posted - 2011.12.28 05:22:00 - [16] - Quote Incursions. Train up a good armor ship, find a fleet in one of the player run incursion channels, make isk. Secondly would be blitzing level 4 missions for loyalty points. (aka: skip as much of the mission as possible, grab objective, turn it in) Third best is going to be running sanctums/havens in -.8 through -.9 nullsec. Regards, LCpl. Aiwha
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 167	Posted - 2011.12.28 05:25:00 - [17] - Quote EVE is game, and unless your game within EVE is become rich then the purpose is having fun
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 360	Posted - 2011.12.28 06:39:00 - [18] - Quote It's a huge detriment to the game to "need ISK". But the game pretty much has nowhere to go beyond that, and too much advertising of "he who has most ISK in his wallet wins" has created such a player base. The kind of players who, if you reduce a bounty one ISK or make a mining laser yield 1 percent less they howl and scream and claim that CCP hates them personally and favors all other player goals over theirs. So once every player latches on to that huge "ISK teet" like a young calf it's next to impossible to get them off it. Here's a suggestion: unless seeing a larger number IS your game, and only your game, forget ISK. Find you how you like to play, whether it's ship toasting, exploration, experimental fitting, or whatever, and play that way. ISK will roll in and at a such a rate that if you play well you will be able to replace lost ships. There are a lot of people who live under the idea that a "leet" PVP'er typically has to have a "carebear alt" running missions in high sec or mining to finance that PVP main, but I have observed that such players are stupidly throwing ships into meat grinders over dumb camp/blob tactics and calling that PVP. All of that is a lie. It's "demolition derby" style of playing and yes you need lots of ISK for that but otherwise if you play your game your way and find a way to be good at it ISK will not be a huge factor nor something you care much about. Sometimes I go for months without earning ISK, but because of exploration I have a lot of goodies that I am too lazy to contract/auction. I only run level 4 missions to get SOE LPs or because even after nearly 6 years of playing, I have still not yet seen every level 4 mission.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 360	Posted - 2011.12.28 06:41:00 - [19] - Quote Dbars Grinding wrote: i would train for probing. Go to Dodixie probe down battleships that are away from the main station. Salvage the lvl 4 missions they are doing. Talk to people you find in missions/local. Find good corp. Later do exploration with said probe skills. /Profit There is a FREE WRECKS channel where you will find some level 4 mission runners who will blue every wreck and you can make ISK like a bandit.
Pinaculus Insanely Twisted 81	Posted - 2011.12.28 07:09:00 - [20] - Quote Mining is pretty poorly designed, and a terrible way to earn ISK. Once you get out of mining you'll see that nearly every other set of skills has a better earning potential. Mining is great for only one reason. It's, for some people, kind of relaxing. You earn minimal ISK, but can chat with friends while you do it. If you love the market game then check out Planetary Interaction, Invention, Trade, or Manufacturing. Station trading is the easiest of these get into. Basically, you find a market hub and scour the market for stuff to buy cheap and sell expensive. If you love blowing stuff up then check out missions. They're very straightforward, but get a bit tedious after a while. If you love probing stuff down (and explosions) then check out exploration. You can get started in high-sec, but low/null and wormholes are the end-game for these. It's very competitive in high, and very dangerous in low/null, and super dangerous in WHs. Even so, the payout is fantastic and there's PVP sometimes. If you love fleeting with people and chatting with random strangers skill up for Incursions. The money is great and you meet lots of people. It'll get you used to jargon that is used in PVP fleets, but you'll need a pretty solid set of combat skills to start. Not super, but a couple of months at minimum. It's probably the best money in the game, and after you grind them a few months you won't really care about ISK any more. If you love duels and PVP take your 30 million and buy a bunch of T1 frigates. Cruise the belts in low-sec and PVP with other people. You'll get the hang of what you can take and what you can't, people that beat you will often give you good advice, and some people fit stupidly expensive mods to their PVP ships. The money isn't that great, but it's kinda fun. If you get a good rep you can join a PVP corp and get steady fleets. A null sec corp can be good, I hear. As I've never tried that I won't comment much. I know that fun in null is completely based on how fun your corp is, so if you get in a crappy one don't be afraid to ditch them. The money is very very good, and there's lots of PVP (I hear). There's other stuff I haven't mentioned, but that's one cool thing about EVE. It's big. There's lots of little places to make cash. Once you learn your way around ISK is really not an issue unless you want to be super mega rich. Edit: There's also a guide at www.isktheguide.com It's free. I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.
Xearal SOL Industries Black Thorne Alliance 76	Posted - 2011.12.28 07:18:00 - [21] - Quote As suggested, there are many ways to make money in Eve. good starter ones have already been posted so I'm not going to do that. Instead, I recommend you try a bit of everything you can, and do what you enjoy most. I started off as a miner, though I found solo mining very boring, but group mining was fun ( and also more profitable because of the fleet booster ). I tried missioning, and have done it a lot, but I don't like it much, it's something I do when I don't feel like doing other things. Then I started exploration, first just in high sec. It's an eratic form of income, some nights as noob I made 100-200M isk, some nights I was lucky with 10M, but the eraticness also gave it a thrill, scanning stuff down, hoping for something good, then going in, hoping I could take on what was there, and the joy of finding good loot. ( I found a Dramiel BPC in my first month of playing Eve, I still have that dramiel, and I treasure it for the fun I had when I found it ) Nowadays, I am part explorer, part industrialist, slowly expanding my production repetoire, saving up for new ventures when I come up with a new way to make isk through manufacture of something, pouring over numbers, crunching things out, and loving it when a new venture started to let the cash flow in. The last weeks though I've been slowly getting more and more a taste of pew pew, and that lust for pod goo.. so who knows what the future is going to bring.
Jacob Stiller The Scope Gallente Federation 710	Posted - 2011.12.28 07:25:00 - [22] - Quote "Best way of making ISK" is a bit subjective. Of the "legitimate" ways of making isk, station trading will bring in one of the largest seas of ISK. Best of all, you technically don't need much SP at all to participate. Although some skills and standings do help. However, the 0.01 ISK wars can suck at times, and burnout will probably prevent you from throwing yourself into the ring everyday. Surely, you will go insane if it is the only thing you do. However, when you're in the right mood, the mountains of isk you can make in few short days can be quite exciting. This all comes with the disclaimer that you should understand how trading works in the first place. If you come barging in woefully ignorant or have no talent for the craft, you may very well lose mountains of isk instead.
Vyl Vit Cambio Enterprises 140	Posted - 2011.12.28 09:47:00 - [23] - Quote It isn't about money. It's about making Lady Harlot hate you...ummm...Freudian slip there... If you look at this as a shopping center with the only hold up being no credit card, like most of these scam scam scammers do, then you'll never have enough since enough will never be enough. You make a billion, and all you can see is that "1" and the itch hits you about turning it into a "2". Once that "2" is there...where's my "3"? On and on it goes till it rolls over to the next denominator. Even if you had billions to buy a buncha crap, most of it you couldn't use anyway wivvout that training...training...training...which leads to the OTHER motivation - capability. Being able to do some things very well and just not bothering to do them because they're beneath you is far more rewarding than making endless ISK in a race to nowhere special. You see, true freedom lies in your ability to just do NOTHING, and gloat about it. The catch is, if you can't do anything then doing nothing isn't very special. If you can do EVERYTHING, and do it well, then not doing anything becomes the quintessence of pleasure. That's when you're in the leisure class. Don't be a squirrel and constantly rabbit for money (pardon the mixed metaphor). Be a lion and just hang out surveying your surroundings with untouchable arrogance. You'll be glad you did! To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate.
Zimmy Zeta Battle Force Industries 197	Posted - 2011.12.28 09:51:00 - [24] - Quote I would not recommend starting gambles like invention or trading with your low amount of isk. You should have at least 500 M before you start one of those careers and be prepared to lose a lot of money until you have really learned what you are doing and how to do it. Just my 0,02 Isk. -.-
Lexmana Imperial Stout 121	Posted - 2011.12.28 09:59:00 - [25] - Quote If you ever are gonna buy a PLEX for $$ and sell for ISK now is the time. That 450M ISK will be a small fortune for a new player like yourself and you can relax a little and fit your ships decently. Just spend it wisely. Later on you will be able to make the ISK yourself and 450M is not that big of a deal. But seriously, mining? I got bored already during the tutorials.
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1097	Posted - 2011.12.28 10:25:00 - [26] - Quote Selinate wrote: If you actually want to make a decent amount of isk through scamming, you have to rip off people directly through trade windows or other means This is one of the worst ways to make money scamming...only a (tiny) step up from contract scams. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Seleia O'Sinnor Arklight Project Fade 2 Black 118	Posted - 2011.12.28 10:53:00 - [27] - Quote Eve suffers under certain automated programs which play eve and earn money. They naturally do simple stuff like mining or ratting. It's strictly against the EULA so don't do it. There are alliances to be known for doing it anyway and stay unharmed. That's all rumours and I think I'm just making up these things...pathetic programs playing a sophisticated space simulator like Eve Online, where mining asteroids is the most diversified activity... Not that I want to encourage you to look into that route, but you asked about a "best way": Not playing Eve and earning money is a great ratio for income/playtime, in a parralel universe, of course. Eve community: An angry mob of bright people hunting witches, more torches, more hay forks, growing and growing.
Shawnm339 Galactic Shipyards Inc NEM3SIS. 18	Posted - 2011.12.28 11:07:00 - [28] - Quote Took me a year but just made my first bill lost a load moving to nullsec but had immense fun learning finally got back on my feet to the point where there's ships I'd like fullfill roles within my allaince but nothing extra ordinary I really want had my eye on a legion for a while but theyre just pixels on a screen you dont play to make isk you play to blow up or be blwon up there is nothing else in eve as much fun or that can be financially rewarding as taking down a carrier in a wormhole and looting the stuff that drops.... My wallet is a means to an end and nothing more....others base their success on the accumulation of wealth at the end of the day is what you make it I've run level 4s til i wanted to punch my dog...I've done incursions..I've done probing I now have the ships to do as I please bored of havens I'll go probe.....form a quick gate camp.....go to hi sec for a bit of care bearing in incursions keep your options open by having the ships and this world is as limitless as the ships you posess...don't own the one best level 4 ship own one that allows you to own a probing ship or an incursion runner.....set your goals low for now aim to fly a harby say and do level 3s skill up to the max for the fittings available.... I've found by keeping my options open I've seen some of the best and worst bits this game has to offer
Pyhrrus Otsada EVE University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2011.12.28 11:30:00 - [29] - Quote Dirk Magnum wrote: You're not actually that poor by newb standards. If you want to make more ISK than you are currently, try salvaging. I mean, if you want to stay within predictable, conventional game mechanics. Otherwise, scam, scam, scam. Hes mining. Hes poor by all and any standards that exist. I've been playing 16 days and I've made over 220m missioning.
sYnc Vir Wolfsbrigade 71	Posted - 2011.12.28 11:32:00 - [30] - Quote Sadly FW Mission are worth about 300M per hour and can be done solo in a SB for the right faction "COUGH CALDARI COUGH"
Kurama Bingyi Burst Of Aggresion F0RCEFUL ENTRY 4	Posted - 2011.12.28 11:50:00 - [31] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Scamming is, by far, the best way to make isk. Mining is probably the worst way to make money and is so boring you'll quit the game in frustration before you make enough to recoup your investment in exhumers, mods and skillbooks. To be honest, Harlot's telling the truth. If you go to Amarr, there's a character named "Spaceship Barbie" (or something like that) who's racked up over a dozen-billion (I think those are the numbers) ISK just from doing the Tritanium (I think that's what it's called) scam - basically selling a single ore for ludicrous amounts of ISK, saying that they were buying Trit and were willing to pay that amount of money. Also, Harlot's in GoonWaffe, which makes its living off of scamming. So you're getting this from an expert in the field. "Nay," responded Kurama Bingyi, "to crush your enemies, to see them fall at your feet - to take their horses and goods and hear the lamentation of their women. That is best."
Solstice Project Cult of Personality 311	Posted - 2011.12.28 11:59:00 - [32] - Quote Try to use your brain. Or, find a job, work an hour, buy PLEX. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard 465	Posted - 2011.12.28 12:06:00 - [33] - Quote High sec incursions are the best balance of safety (absurdly safe) and isk-making (absurdly profitable). Not many activities in Eve allow you to make that much isk. I much prefer exploration and wormhole excursions. My isk/hour isn't that much below incursions but it feels a lot less like grinding and I get to see interesting stuff more frequently.
TharOkha 0asis Group 6	Posted - 2011.12.28 12:20:00 - [34] - Quote Trading. Always were, always be . If you know what are you doing you can make billion (or more) a day. Of course you need a couple of billions to start serious trading. Incursions or Lvl4 missions are a good start. GÇ£Reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts 146	Posted - 2011.12.28 12:23:00 - [35] - Quote The best way of making ISK is one where you don't have to waste your valuable online time doing it. That rules out mining and missions, for a start.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 382	Posted - 2011.12.28 12:24:00 - [36] - Quote You could do a lot worse than reading through the Making ISK guide on the EVElopedia.
ChrisDude70 The Night Crew The Night Crew Alliance 3	Posted - 2011.12.28 12:30:00 - [37] - Quote Wormholes. Find yourself a well established WH corporation. Get in with them. Ratting for a few hours can bring in 100 million isk or more.
Atticus Fynch 84	Posted - 2011.12.28 13:13:00 - [38] - Quote Invest in exotic dancers and open a brothel. -
Pinaculus Insanely Twisted 83	Posted - 2011.12.28 13:45:00 - [39] - Quote Kurama Bingyi wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: Scamming is, by far, the best way to make isk. Mining is probably the worst way to make money and is so boring you'll quit the game in frustration before you make enough to recoup your investment in exhumers, mods and skillbooks. To be honest, Harlot's telling the truth. If you go to Amarr, there's a character named "Spaceship Barbie" (or something like that) who's racked up over a dozen-billion (I think those are the numbers) ISK just from doing the Tritanium (I think that's what it's called) scam - basically selling a single ore for ludicrous amounts of ISK, saying that they were buying Trit and were willing to pay that amount of money. Also, Harlot's in GoonWaffe, which makes its living off of scamming. So you're getting this from an expert in the field. There's a couple of things that I just can't understand about this. Who doesn't know that the 1-trit contract is a scam? It's so obvious! And Spaceship Barbie is e-famous for scamming, so how does anybody give her money? I guess I just give people too much credit. Maybe there really is a sucker born every minute. I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.
Slade Trillgon T.R.I.A.D 80	Posted - 2011.12.28 13:52:00 - [40] - Quote Pyhrrus Otsada wrote: Dirk Magnum wrote: You're not actually that poor by newb standards. If you want to make more ISK than you are currently, try salvaging. I mean, if you want to stay within predictable, conventional game mechanics. Otherwise, scam, scam, scam. Hes mining. Hes poor by all and any standards that exist. I've been playing 16 days and I've made over 220m missioning. That is because you are in EVE university sucking on the tit of your mentors. You would have served your corps modus operandi better by offering to help get the OP into EVE uni. But no; the braggart must show his size. Slade
Devil's Call Viperfleet Inc. Narwhals Ate My Duck 721	Posted - 2011.12.28 13:59:00 - [41] - Quote Vyl Vit wrote: It isn't about money. It's about making Lady Harlot hate you...ummm...Freudian slip there... If you look at this as a shopping center with the only hold up being no credit card, like most of these scam scam scammers do, then you'll never have enough since enough will never be enough. You make a billion, and all you can see is that "1" and the itch hits you about turning it into a "2". Once that "2" is there...where's my "3"? On and on it goes till it rolls over to the next denominator. Even if you had billions to buy a buncha crap, most of it you couldn't use anyway wivvout that training...training...training...which leads to the OTHER motivation - capability. Being able to do some things very well and just not bothering to do them because they're beneath you is far more rewarding than making endless ISK in a race to nowhere special. You see, true freedom lies in your ability to just do NOTHING, and gloat about it. The catch is, if you can't do anything then doing nothing isn't very special. If you can do EVERYTHING, and do it well, then not doing anything becomes the quintessence of pleasure. That's when you're in the leisure class. Don't be a squirrel and constantly rabbit for money (pardon the mixed metaphor). Be a lion and just hang out surveying your surroundings with untouchable arrogance. You'll be glad you did! Most genius reply I've read in ages.
Chandaris Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 17	Posted - 2011.12.28 14:00:00 - [42] - Quote the best way to make money in eve is to join a good corp with experienced players ;) beyond that, as a new player, if you're bent on solo = missions until you're skilled enough to run incursions and then switch to that. mining is only worth it if you also manufacture with the mins you mine.. even then it's hardly 'big money' and yes, scamming is the most profitable probably for sure, and the easiest.. but i never would.
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 550	Posted - 2011.12.28 14:10:00 - [43] - Quote Scamming for sure but there are other ways too like pin/open cyno to PL hotdrop on some Goon Super lazy killing rats By the way, Shadoo should increase the rewards for this.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Guiding Hand Social Club 47	Posted - 2011.12.28 14:21:00 - [44] - Quote Waiting for others to make ISK, then taking it.
mmorpg lol Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild 1	Posted - 2011.12.28 14:28:00 - [45] - Quote The fastest/easiest ways to make isk are scamming, incursions, and market manipulation. Scamming requires that you understand how to convince others to give you their stuff, incursions are somewhat skill intensive, and market maniplation requires understanding how the market operates.
IGNATIUS HOOD Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T. 97	Posted - 2011.12.28 16:07:00 - [46] - Quote Vito Tattaglia wrote: I've been playing for about a month now, and so far I'm pretty poor in EVE standards. I only have 33 million, and 20 of that was made from selling my christmas gifts. I've been focusing on mining, but that is getting slightly dull, as I'm only making 300k every 7 minutes in my Retriever. Botting is a no go, as I prefer not to be banned. I was thinking of buying a PLEX, but I want that to be a last resort as I want to spend as little money on EVE as possible, other than the monthly sub. Right now I'm trying to train Mining Barge 5 to fly around a Covetor, but that is still 20 days away. What would you guys suggest I do in my position to make some ISK? When I was at that point I missioned and then Did the Sisters of Eve arc. If you can knock that out without spending too much you'll get another 40 million in mission money and loot. (All but the last two Sisters missions can be done in a dessie.) Convo me in game if you do the Sisters missions and I'll help you take out the last two missions so you don't have to spend the money on a cruiser if you like. Some really nice guys helped me with mine and I'll pay that forward gladly. At some point, if you're serious about mining, you'll need a 2nd account to haul for your primary or you'll need some help from a friend. Mining becomes far less boring and much more profitable with more folks. A few hulks backed by an Orca can make good ISK even in HS. L3 and L4 missions pay very well and if you push up your social skills you can make that even better. The path to real screw you levels of ISK imo is Wormholes or Null Sec ratting if you don't want to make stuff and/or play the markets in the trade hubs. The other ISK maker is PI but you need to dedicate time to train alts to do it in addition to your primary. I have 4 alts working PI making just one p3 product and that nets me enough money to pay to PLEX my #2 and #3 accounts with quite a bit left over. Like anything in real life dabbling won't get you anywhere. You gotta go full bore to make money but you can make it if you dedicate time to it. 'perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim' Be patient and tough; some day this pain will be useful to you.
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 211	Posted - 2011.12.28 16:24:00 - [47] - Quote 1) Scamming is ~~a good way~~ the best way to make ISK but finding a workable system or angle is not easy. EvE players are not stupid. ...but they are human. (Only hint you get) 2) Ninja salvaging and looting is the BEST 'PvP' thing a newer player can do right out of the gate. Do it in Tama and you can 100 mil/hr or better. 3) The most lucrative PvE activity on paper appears to be running incursion sites atm, but since I don't PvE I'm not sure if that's true in practice. just my 2 isk... All GëíGêçGëí Ships \| GëíGêçGëí - sñÜpüÅpü«sÑçsªÖpü¬péópéñpâåpâá \| <-- Links to ShowInfo in-game FX7 - No Tax... No Rules... No Problem
Xolve Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League 330	Posted - 2011.12.28 16:33:00 - [48] - Quote Selinate wrote: Why can't people be more thorough when they just say "Scamming is the best way to make isk"? Not all scamming is created equal. Spamming a one trit for 2 billion isk will actually turn out to be isk inefficient compared to level 4 missions. Thats why I or many others have never not gotten enough ISK for PLEX scamming during an Hours for PLEX re-activation right? If scamming fails- Suicide Gank a Tengu/Loki/Proteus with the new T3 Battlecruisers. ...probably bad posting
Xolve Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League 330	Posted - 2011.12.28 16:36:00 - [49] - Quote mmorpg lol wrote: market maniplation requires understanding how the market operates. Actually all it really means is getting as many T2 1400mm Arty's listed on the market in VFK as you can. ...probably bad posting
Ramacliv Y N HUH WUT ALLIANCE 14	Posted - 2011.12.28 16:59:00 - [50] - Quote Unlike the others once you max out skills for an Orca and foreman mindlink using an alt to run the hulk you can make decent isk however it takes some SP to get to that point. That said in my opinion the real isk for those with low SP lies in being able to solo level 4 missions then come back and salvage/loot everything. You then sell or reprocess and sell everything. You don't need a massive amount of SP to do level 4 missions and getting to that point means shortly you can be able to do incursions which is where the real isk is made. Now all of this assumes you actually want to be active, keep your toon's name with a good rep (scamming ruins this) and play the game. A lot of the other things mentioned are also good low SP isk including ninja salvaging (almost no outflow (ammo costs) and a lot of the rewards in selling salvage and loot however they have a downside in that noone likes a ninja.
Guthris The Shard Restaurant 8	Posted - 2011.12.28 17:05:00 - [51] - Quote The best way to make ISK is to get a job IRL, spend a couple hours making money. Use that to buy GTC's and convert that to ISK. You'll make a couple dozen times the money you can, that you'd be spending the same amount of time dedicated to grinding missions
Xolve Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League 337	Posted - 2011.12.28 17:05:00 - [52] - Quote Ramacliv wrote: Unlike the others once you max out skills for an Orca and foreman mindlink using an alt to run the hulk you can make decent isk however it takes some SP to get to that point. That said in my opinion the real isk for those with low SP lies in being able to solo level 4 missions then come back and salvage/loot everything. You then sell or reprocess and sell everything. You don't need a massive amount of SP to do level 4 missions and getting to that point means shortly you can be able to do incursions which is where the real isk is made. Now all of this assumes you actually want to be active, keep your toon's name with a good rep (scamming ruins this) and play the game. A lot of the other things mentioned are also good low SP isk including ninja salvaging (almost no outflow (ammo costs) and a lot of the rewards in selling salvage and loot however they have a downside in that noone likes a ninja. Oh herro wall-o-text.. NEEDS MOAR [ENTER] KEY! ...probably bad posting
Carl Thunderthise Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2011.12.28 17:16:00 - [53] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Scamming is, by far, the best way to make isk. Mining is probably the worst way to make money and is so boring you'll quit the game in frustration before you make enough to recoup your investment in exhumers, mods and skillbooks. You aren't making the maximum potential by scamming though, because of your corp choice. People see "Goon" and think "scammer". If you were in a different corp your scams would be twice as successful. Or perhaps you have an alt to scam for you, in which case the cost of maintaining it, with or without plex, is eating into your potential profit. Have a nice day.
Xolve Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League 351	Posted - 2011.12.28 17:39:00 - [54] - Quote Carl Thunderthise wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: Scamming is, by far, the best way to make isk. Mining is probably the worst way to make money and is so boring you'll quit the game in frustration before you make enough to recoup your investment in exhumers, mods and skillbooks. You aren't making the maximum potential by scamming though, because of your corp choice. People see "Goon" and think "scammer". If you were in a different corp your scams would be twice as successful. Or perhaps you have an alt to scam for you, in which case the cost of maintaining it, with or without plex, is eating into your potential profit. Have a nice day. I fly with goons.. alot. Can't tell you how many times i've been ::jelly:: because those sly bastards get fitted carriers and stuff contracted to them full of shinies, and t3's.. it works more often then you'd think. ...probably bad posting
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1104	Posted - 2011.12.28 17:41:00 - [55] - Quote Carl Thunderthise wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: Scamming is, by far, the best way to make isk. Mining is probably the worst way to make money and is so boring you'll quit the game in frustration before you make enough to recoup your investment in exhumers, mods and skillbooks. You aren't making the maximum potential by scamming though, because of your corp choice. People see "Goon" and think "scammer". If you were in a different corp your scams would be twice as successful. Or perhaps you have an alt to scam for you, in which case the cost of maintaining it, with or without plex, is eating into your potential profit. Have a nice day. Using a neutral alt would make it difficult to "recruit" others into Goonwaffe or "rent" them space in nullsec. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Ramacliv Y N HUH WUT ALLIANCE 14	Posted - 2011.12.28 18:34:00 - [56] - Quote Xolve wrote: Ramacliv wrote: Unlike the others once you max out skills for an Orca and foreman mindlink using an alt to run the hulk you can make decent isk however it takes some SP to get to that point. That said in my opinion the real isk for those with low SP lies in being able to solo level 4 missions then come back and salvage/loot everything. You then sell or reprocess and sell everything. You don't need a massive amount of SP to do level 4 missions and getting to that point means shortly you can be able to do incursions which is where the real isk is made. Now all of this assumes you actually want to be active, keep your toon's name with a good rep (scamming ruins this) and play the game. A lot of the other things mentioned are also good low SP isk including ninja salvaging (almost no outflow (ammo costs) and a lot of the rewards in selling salvage and loot however they have a downside in that noone likes a ninja. Oh herro wall-o-text.. NEEDS MOAR [ENTER] KEY! Oh hello little brain. If you don't like to read or can't figure it out don't bother to try. Oh wait I get it your english teacher abused you in school and this is the way you feel like a big man.
1-Up Mushroom Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1050	Posted - 2011.12.28 18:38:00 - [57] - Quote Personally I've never scammed, even when I was dirt broke I never stooped that low, I actually have morals even in games. Although trading and missioning is good ISK 5 Senses In A Person... 4 Seasons In A Year... 3 Colors In A Stoplight... 2 Poles On The Earth... ONLY 1-UP MUSHROOM!!!-á If You Like My Sig, Like Me!
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1108	Posted - 2011.12.28 18:47:00 - [58] - Quote 1-Up Mushroom wrote: Personally I've never scammed, even when I was dirt broke I never stooped that low, I actually have morals even in games. Although trading and missioning is good ISK What does scamming have to do with morals? That just sounds silly... The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
1-Up Mushroom Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1050	Posted - 2011.12.28 19:28:00 - [59] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: 1-Up Mushroom wrote: Personally I've never scammed, even when I was dirt broke I never stooped that low, I actually have morals even in games. Although trading and missioning is good ISK What does scamming have to do with morals? That just sounds silly... I wouldn't scam someone in RL, I'm guessing you wouldn't either... I think. 5 Senses In A Person... 4 Seasons In A Year... 3 Colors In A Stoplight... 2 Poles On The Earth... ONLY 1-UP MUSHROOM!!!-á If You Like My Sig, Like Me!
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1108	Posted - 2011.12.28 20:04:00 - [60] - Quote 1-Up Mushroom wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: 1-Up Mushroom wrote: Personally I've never scammed, even when I was dirt broke I never stooped that low, I actually have morals even in games. Although trading and missioning is good ISK What does scamming have to do with morals? That just sounds silly... I wouldn't scam someone in RL, I'm guessing you wouldn't either... I think. You're right but it still has nothing to do with what happens in a video game. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
1-Up Mushroom Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1052	Posted - 2011.12.28 20:05:00 - [61] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: 1-Up Mushroom wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: 1-Up Mushroom wrote: Personally I've never scammed, even when I was dirt broke I never stooped that low, I actually have morals even in games. Although trading and missioning is good ISK What does scamming have to do with morals? That just sounds silly... I wouldn't scam someone in RL, I'm guessing you wouldn't either... I think. You're right but it still has nothing to do with what happens in a video game. To some 5 Senses In A Person... 4 Seasons In A Year... 3 Colors In A Stoplight... 2 Poles On The Earth... ONLY 1-UP MUSHROOM!!!-á If You Like My Sig, Like Me!
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 216	Posted - 2011.12.28 20:12:00 - [62] - Quote 1-Up Mushroom wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: 1-Up Mushroom wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: 1-Up Mushroom wrote: Personally I've never scammed, even when I was dirt broke I never stooped that low, I actually have morals even in games. Although trading and missioning is good ISK What does scamming have to do with morals? That just sounds silly... I wouldn't scam someone in RL, I'm guessing you wouldn't either... I think. You're right but it still has nothing to do with what happens in a video game. To some To anyone. Video games are just games. All GëíGêçGëí Ships \| GëíGêçGëí - sñÜpüÅpü«sÑçsªÖpü¬péópéñpâåpâá \| <-- Links to ShowInfo in-game FX7 - No Tax... No Rules... No Problem
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1103	Posted - 2011.12.28 20:14:00 - [63] - Quote Gogela wrote: To anyone. Video games are just games. And we all are dedicated role-players. Hmm..
1-Up Mushroom Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1052	Posted - 2011.12.28 20:16:00 - [64] - Quote Gogela wrote: To anyone. Video games are just games. Well of course they are, but there's still a human on the other side of the screen. Now scamming a NPC is different, but who scams NPC's 5 Senses In A Person... 4 Seasons In A Year... 3 Colors In A Stoplight... 2 Poles On The Earth... ONLY 1-UP MUSHROOM!!!-á If You Like My Sig, Like Me!
Maxpie Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations 28	Posted - 2011.12.28 20:25:00 - [65] - Quote It depends what you consider 'best'. I've found trading to yeild the most profit with the least effort, but I don't enjoy it and I don't generally like to stay near trade hubs, so I rarely do it. Unless you really just want to grind isk for whatever reason, I'd suggest it's best to do what you enjoy. If, for example, you prefer to live in a WH, missions are probably not a good avenue for you. Sure, mining is not profitable compared to other things, but some people actually enjoy it. Personally, I enjoy running a mission every so often while others just plain hate it. I don't run them for isk, I just enjoy it once in a while. Some other ways to make decent isk are incursions, scamming and wormholes, but Eve is a game, so do what you find fun.
Eternum Praetorian Club Bear 148	Posted - 2011.12.28 20:25:00 - [66] - Quote in this post I smear my copy/pasted and parroted opinion in your face, just like everyone else just did. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1103	Posted - 2011.12.28 20:28:00 - [67] - Quote Eternum Praetorian wrote: in this post I smear my copy/pasted and parroted opinion in your face, just like everyone else just did. Special snowflake syndrome.. ??? In that case Hata Kap Mahiral Suuhame Dhak Rallien Grol-ìht Gkarheiuo outgpatew+í-ì osdtH89ae.
Carribean Queen Vadimus Quarrier Works PURgE Alliance 5	Posted - 2011.12.28 21:11:00 - [68] - Quote Find yourself a nice DED 1/10 (public site) somewhere moderately quiet. The site will repopulate once an hour. You can get small C-type deadspace and/or faction mods and make upwards of 100mil per day if you're diligent at it. There are a few faction drops that are worth several hundred mil, albeit rare. In between, salvage up the wrecks you made, rat the belts, run some missions nearby.
1-Up Mushroom Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1182	Posted - 2011.12.28 21:35:00 - [69] - Quote Carribean Queen wrote: Find yourself a nice DED 1/10 (public site) somewhere moderately quiet. The site will repopulate once an hour. You can get small C-type deadspace and/or faction mods and make upwards of 100mil per day if you're diligent at it. There are a few faction drops that are worth several hundred mil, albeit rare. In between, salvage up the wrecks you made, rat the belts, run some missions nearby. It's more around 250-400m if your serious about it 5 Senses In A Person... 4 Seasons In A Year... 3 Colors In A Stoplight... 2 Poles On The Earth... ONLY 1-UP MUSHROOM!!!-á If You Like My Sig, Like Me!
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 218	Posted - 2011.12.28 22:33:00 - [70] - Quote 1-Up Mushroom wrote: Gogela wrote: To anyone. Video games are just games. Well of course they are, but there's still a human on the other side of the screen. Now scamming a NPC is different, but who scams NPC's There are numbers waiting to become statistics on the other side of the screen... nothing more. All GëíGêçGëí Ships \| GëíGêçGëí - sñÜpüÅpü«sÑçsªÖpü¬péópéñpâåpâá \| <-- Links to ShowInfo in-game FX7 - No Tax... No Rules... No Problem
Shizuken Venerated Stars 6	Posted - 2011.12.28 22:45:00 - [71] - Quote Liam Mirren wrote: Can make massive isk but if you take it too serious it has a habit of turning into Spreadsheets Online. This is hella funny. I too have made the jump from EVE to Spreadsheets Online
Rhastafan Cadre Assault Force Initiative Mercenaries 8	Posted - 2011.12.28 23:13:00 - [72] - Quote sYnc Vir wrote: Sadly FW Mission are worth about 300M per hour and can be done solo in a SB for the right faction "COUGH CALDARI COUGH" I don't find it sad And Caldari isn't the only faction that can do it If you are smart about what LP items you use to convert LP to ISK AND don't convert a lot (cause the really high ratio items don't support a lot of volume) AND play smart (i.e. don't lose ships) it's worth 320mil/hour, but I think 200mil/hour is a more realistic figure for someone who is new (and that's L4 missions, I think it is about 1/3 for each level below 4 - but it is pretty quick to get standing for L4 missions and also pretty quick to get skills for a SB fit that can do the job). If you spend half a day making 2 mission runs (with about 9 missions per run) converting to ISK and selling you can have a billion right there (though it will take a day or three to sell the stuff). Forget about using PLEX to get ISK, you should be using ISK to get PLEX; Not only can you use them to pay your account but you can also use them as a vehicle to make ISK by trading them on the market.
sYnc Vir Wolfsbrigade 72	Posted - 2011.12.28 23:15:00 - [73] - Quote Xolve wrote: Ramacliv wrote: Unlike the others once you max out skills for an Orca and foreman mindlink using an alt to run the hulk you can make decent isk however it takes some SP to get to that point. That said in my opinion the real isk for those with low SP lies in being able to solo level 4 missions then come back and salvage/loot everything. You then sell or reprocess and sell everything. You don't need a massive amount of SP to do level 4 missions and getting to that point means shortly you can be able to do incursions which is where the real isk is made. Now all of this assumes you actually want to be active, keep your toon's name with a good rep (scamming ruins this) and play the game. A lot of the other things mentioned are also good low SP isk including ninja salvaging (almost no outflow (ammo costs) and a lot of the rewards in selling salvage and loot however they have a downside in that noone likes a ninja. Oh herro wall-o-text.. NEEDS MOAR [ENTER] KEY! No it doesn't, get an Education or read a book. Its 7 lines ffs.
sYnc Vir Wolfsbrigade 72	Posted - 2011.12.28 23:19:00 - [74] - Quote Rhastafan wrote: sYnc Vir wrote: Sadly FW Mission are worth about 300M per hour and can be done solo in a SB for the right faction "COUGH CALDARI COUGH" I don't find it sad And Caldari isn't the only faction that can do it If you are smart about what LP items you use to convert LP to ISK AND don't convert a lot (cause the really high ratio items don't support a lot of volume) AND play smart (i.e. don't lose ships) it's worth 320mil/hour, but I think 200mil/hour is a more realistic figure for someone who is new (and that's L4 missions, I think it is about 1/3 for each level below 4 - but it is pretty quick to get standing for L4 missions and also pretty quick to get skills for a SB fit that can do the job). If you spend half a day making 2 mission runs (with about 9 missions per run) converting to ISK and selling you can have a billion right there (though it will take a day or three to sell the stuff). Forget about using PLEX to get ISK, you should be using ISK to get PLEX; Not only can you use them to pay your account but you can also use them as a vehicle to make ISK by trading them on the market. When the Customs office first came out, the ISK per LP went insane. I have more than a few Corp mates that began joyful isk swimming.
Eternum Praetorian Club Bear 150	Posted - 2011.12.28 23:24:00 - [75] - Quote Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Eternum Praetorian wrote: in this post I smear my copy/pasted and parroted opinion in your face, just like everyone else just did. Special snowflake syndrome.. ??? In that case Hata Kap Mahiral Suuhame Dhak Rallien Grol-ìht Gkarheiuo outgpatew+í-ì osdtH89ae. No need to get all butthurt bra. Did I copy paste that right? Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
Flakey Foont Republic University Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2011.12.28 23:36:00 - [76] - Quote To the OP. The best way to make isk is the way YOU make the most isk. Try stuff like missions, trading etc, and you will find what you are best at.
Doc Severide Caldari Provisions Caldari State 10	Posted - 2011.12.28 23:41:00 - [77] - Quote Guthris wrote: The best way to make ISK is to get a job IRL, spend a couple hours making money. Use that to buy GTC's and convert that to ISK. You'll make a couple dozen times the money you can, that you'd be spending the same amount of time dedicated to grinding missions I was waiting for some one else to post this first. This is the ONLY way I make ISK. My game time is limited and I want the shiny stuff. I can work 1/2 hour of OT to buy 1 GTC I can trade for 800 Million ISK. 2 of these a month keeps me going. And the people who buy my GTC's are happy they can play without spending real money...
Selinate 189	Posted - 2011.12.29 00:03:00 - [78] - Quote Xolve wrote: Selinate wrote: Why can't people be more thorough when they just say "Scamming is the best way to make isk"? Not all scamming is created equal. Spamming a one trit for 2 billion isk will actually turn out to be isk inefficient compared to level 4 missions. Thats why I or many others have never not gotten enough ISK for PLEX scamming during an Hours for PLEX re-activation right? If scamming fails- Suicide Gank a Tengu/Loki/Proteus with the new T3 Battlecruisers. You didn't even read my post, which is obvious from your response, so please, don't even try to make a response. It just makes you look stupid.
Professor Alphane Alphane Research Co-operative 54	Posted - 2011.12.29 00:19:00 - [79] - Quote At the end of the day OP the BEST way to make isk is the way you enjoy most, otherwise you'll lose interest and end up making nothing. Enjoy the game, try out diffent things, it's the quality of your recreation time that matters really not the quantity of virtual $ in your pocket. Not saying don't optimize and make the most of your potential but at the end of the day this is your fun time, so have fun and don't worry most likely the isk will come rolling in whatever you decide to do. YOU MUST THINK FIRST....
Shawnm339 Galactic Shipyards Inc NEM3SIS. 21	Posted - 2011.12.29 09:14:00 - [80] - Quote Pinaculus wrote: Kurama Bingyi wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: Scamming is, by far, the best way to make isk. Mining is probably the worst way to make money and is so boring you'll quit the game in frustration before you make enough to recoup your investment in exhumers, mods and skillbooks. To be honest, Harlot's telling the truth. If you go to Amarr, there's a character named "Spaceship Barbie" (or something like that) who's racked up over a dozen-billion (I think those are the numbers) ISK just from doing the Tritanium (I think that's what it's called) scam - basically selling a single ore for ludicrous amounts of ISK, saying that they were buying Trit and were willing to pay that amount of money. Also, Harlot's in GoonWaffe, which makes its living off of scamming. So you're getting this from an expert in the field. There's a couple of things that I just can't understand about this. Who doesn't know that the 1-trit contract is a scam? It's so obvious! And Spaceship Barbie is e-famous for scamming, so how does anybody give her money? I guess I just give people too much credit. Maybe there really is a sucker born every minute. I have spoke to the guy he's actually a stockbroker if I remember rightly or some kind of financial guy......what you've just said there is precisely why SB can make isk which he/she then uses for pew pew....greed sometimes overcomes common sense and that's exactly what is needed for the scheme to work.....like any other such scheme or even to chatting up woman in a bar you might get 99 slaps but you only need 1 to say yes to make your night end happily
Opertone Signal 7 65	Posted - 2011.12.29 10:31:00 - [81] - Quote steady income - pop low sec rats until you have 15 mill (can be done in tech 1 frigate) do lvl 3 missions repeatedly (possibly courier) to get +3 implants, repeat until you have 50 million get drake, do easy lvl 4 missions, get Raven when you have 120 million. When you have Raven, continue farming LPs and work towards 200 mill goal. Join a null sec alliance and start ratting from day one, keep doing anomalies. Goal - bounty, salvaging, profit, faction, officer, minerals. Hit 1 000 mill (one billion). Get a carrier, assign fighters, continue making fast ISK. When you have 2-5 billion go hisec industry or WH colonization.
Admiral Pelleon White Shadow Imperium 6	Posted - 2011.12.29 10:33:00 - [82] - Quote I've made most of my ISK through meta 6+ item flipping. It's very easy, can be done 100% remotely through contracts, and requires almost no time investment. I have my niche market that I specialize in, and run everything through an alt corp. Corp has a director with a masters degree in finance. He makes all of our heavy ISK through market manipulation and general numberfaggotry. Those who cannot keep up will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all.
Vatruha Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.12.29 12:38:00 - [83] - Quote A mix of scams, good luck and generally a mix of all of the above made me a lot of isk. Turning the ISK in to bought GTC's and training sitter alts, then tengu characters made me even more. Never once used my debit card for training them or selling them on. Downside to all of this, I now have more isk than I know what to do with (over 100bn liquid, plus more in assets and toons). Along with three or four nice characters I like. Still all sounds good so far right? I've owned and sold a super, was nice to try it. Now I'm at the point where I'm not sure what to do as I don't need to make money. I find it hard flying for faceless corps that demand you fleet up but offer nothing in return. So in short, worry less about making the ISK. So long as you have enough for the next ship it's all good. It will also give you something to constantly aim for while trying out the next new aspect.
Doc Severide Caldari Provisions Caldari State 11	Posted - 2011.12.29 14:08:00 - [84] - Quote Admiral Pelleon wrote: He makes all of our heavy ISK through market manipulation and general numberfaggotry. Now number faggotry sounds interesting. Does that mean he sticks 3 fingers in some ones butt and pulls out a billion ISK?
Vito Tattaglia New Paradigm Inc. Mass Consortium Alliance 12	Posted - 2011.12.29 23:45:00 - [85] - Quote Okay, well I think I will give up mining, as I've been ganked twice in the past two days. Unfortunately, I need some advice on how to get enough money to buy a Drake for level 3 and 4 missions. I have access to level 2 security missions with Minedrill, but the best ship I have is a Caracal and I only have 30 million left, when a good Drake fitting will cost about 50.
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1186	Posted - 2011.12.30 01:44:00 - [86] - Quote Vito Tattaglia wrote: Okay, well I think I will give up mining, as I've been ganked twice in the past two days. Unfortunately, I need some advice on how to get enough money to buy a Drake for level 3 and 4 missions. I have access to level 2 security missions with Minedrill, but the best ship I have is a Caracal and I only have 30 million left, when a good Drake fitting will cost about 50. So you got five pages of responses and what you took away from them was to run level 2 missions? :cripes: The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Vito Tattaglia New Paradigm Inc. Mass Consortium Alliance 12	Posted - 2011.12.30 02:05:00 - [87] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Vito Tattaglia wrote: Okay, well I think I will give up mining, as I've been ganked twice in the past two days. Unfortunately, I need some advice on how to get enough money to buy a Drake for level 3 and 4 missions. I have access to level 2 security missions with Minedrill, but the best ship I have is a Caracal and I only have 30 million left, when a good Drake fitting will cost about 50. So you got five pages of responses and what you took away from them was to run level 2 missions? :cripes: Not just that obviously, I've taken the other options into consideration, but running missions is the only one that is easily available to me right now.
Admiral Pelleon White Shadow Imperium 10	Posted - 2011.12.30 02:06:00 - [88] - Quote Doc Severide wrote: Admiral Pelleon wrote: He makes all of our heavy ISK through market manipulation and general numberfaggotry. Now number faggotry sounds interesting. Does that mean he sticks 3 fingers in some ones butt and pulls out a billion ISK? I'm not aware of the details, but I've heard it's illegal in many countries. Those who cannot keep up will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all.
Jorn Isu Imperial Chamber of Commerce 0	Posted - 2011.12.30 03:10:00 - [89] - Quote Vyl Vit wrote: It isn't about money. It's about making Lady Harlot hate you...ummm...Freudian slip there... If you look at this as a shopping center with the only hold up being no credit card, like most of these scam scam scammers do, then you'll never have enough since enough will never be enough. You make a billion, and all you can see is that "1" and the itch hits you about turning it into a "2". Once that "2" is there...where's my "3"? On and on it goes till it rolls over to the next denominator. Even if you had billions to buy a buncha crap, most of it you couldn't use anyway wivvout that training...training...training...which leads to the OTHER motivation - capability. Being able to do some things very well and just not bothering to do them because they're beneath you is far more rewarding than making endless ISK in a race to nowhere special. You see, true freedom lies in your ability to just do NOTHING, and gloat about it. The catch is, if you can't do anything then doing nothing isn't very special. If you can do EVERYTHING, and do it well, then not doing anything becomes the quintessence of pleasure. That's when you're in the leisure class. Don't be a squirrel and constantly rabbit for money (pardon the mixed metaphor). Be a lion and just hang out surveying your surroundings with untouchable arrogance. You'll be glad you did! Or you could make 50 bn and buy a 120m SP character.
Malsia Vaille The Black Legionnares Fatal Ascension 0	Posted - 2011.12.30 05:16:00 - [90] - Quote New player to new player... What I found is the games tutorial process, among other things, kinda makes you spread your skills out too far. What I did after I realized this, was focus purely on combat missions to start, as its a solid form of income. I farmed level 3's (Which is easily attainable with Connections trained to 3 or 4), and made easily 60-70m every couple hours with loot and salvage. Additionally, it's really quite easy to train up for a solid battle cruiser to do this. After you get comfortable doing combat missions, and can make ISK when needed, then train for whatever you want (I.E. Mining, Etc.) This is just my experience so far anyways.
Grey Stormshadow Starwreck Industries 606	Posted - 2011.12.30 05:40:00 - [91] - Quote Vito Tattaglia wrote: I've been playing for about a month now, and so far I'm pretty poor in EVE standards. I only have 33 million, and 20 of that was made from selling my christmas gifts. I've been focusing on mining, but that is getting slightly dull, as I'm only making 300k every 7 minutes in my Retriever. Botting is a no go, as I prefer not to be banned. I was thinking of buying a PLEX, but I want that to be a last resort as I want to spend as little money on EVE as possible, other than the monthly sub. Right now I'm trying to train Mining Barge 5 to fly around a Covetor, but that is still 20 days away. What would you guys suggest I do in my position to make some ISK? In the end isk comes to isk, but you gotta start from somewhere... You clearly have archived one step by getting yourself into retriever. That will help you get your replacement ships in the start of your career. However hisec mining for iskies is rather narrow bread in long term... For new pilot tutorial missions are good starting point. After those hop into a destroyer and head to complete the sisters of eve epic arc mission chain. When those have been done, you might want to check the cosmos missions. In this point you should have much cleared vision and fresh ideas how to continue the journey. You most likely have made some friends too. Classic forum style - Images and colored text - Custom CQ videos
DelBoy Trades Enslave. GIANTSBANE. 96	Posted - 2011.12.30 09:07:00 - [92] - Quote Join a large, faceless 0.0 alliance and rat in belts, it can be done in any battlecruiser and should make you 30million/hour??? Someone correct me there as I haven't done it in so long, keep doing that to keep your money coming in until you find your true niche. Damn nature, you scary!
Cap Tyrian Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance 7	Posted - 2011.12.30 09:39:00 - [93] - Quote convo me in-game, I'll share some evil tricks with whomever asks me. ^_^
Amon Tyr Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2011.12.30 11:51:00 - [94] - Quote Devil's Call wrote: Vyl Vit wrote: It isn't about money. It's about making Lady Harlot hate you...ummm...Freudian slip there... If you look at this as a shopping center with the only hold up being no credit card, like most of these scam scam scammers do, then you'll never have enough since enough will never be enough. You make a billion, and all you can see is that "1" and the itch hits you about turning it into a "2". Once that "2" is there...where's my "3"? On and on it goes till it rolls over to the next denominator. Even if you had billions to buy a buncha crap, most of it you couldn't use anyway wivvout that training...training...training...which leads to the OTHER motivation - capability. Being able to do some things very well and just not bothering to do them because they're beneath you is far more rewarding than making endless ISK in a race to nowhere special. You see, true freedom lies in your ability to just do NOTHING, and gloat about it. The catch is, if you can't do anything then doing nothing isn't very special. If you can do EVERYTHING, and do it well, then not doing anything becomes the quintessence of pleasure. That's when you're in the leisure class. Don't be a squirrel and constantly rabbit for money (pardon the mixed metaphor). Be a lion and just hang out surveying your surroundings with untouchable arrogance. You'll be glad you did! Most genius reply I've read in ages. It's a load of bull crap. If you are at the point where you can do everything, but can't be bothered to, you have lost the game. Or rather the game lost you, as you have burned out. The game won't be as exciting anymore, and you will need to find another game to play, but there are no other good sandbox MMOs out there that will give you the satisfaction EVE did. A totally depressing place to be in IMO.
Mahzuni House of El 0	Posted - 2011.12.30 12:03:00 - [95] - Quote let me be your mack daddy pimp. best way to make isk period.
Doc Severide Caldari Provisions Caldari State 20	Posted - 2011.12.30 14:09:00 - [96] - Quote Cap Tyrian wrote: convo me in-game, I'll share some evil tricks with whomever asks me. ^_^ Like your phone number?
Dervinus Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore 28	Posted - 2011.12.30 14:09:00 - [97] - Quote Its all about the scamming. Effortless and fun way to make boatloads of isk
Lord Azeroth Amarrian Retribution 1	Posted - 2011.12.30 15:59:00 - [98] - Quote Join a Null alliance and bot your heart out. Makes tons of isk and CCP doesn't care.
Migrator Soul 15 Minute Outliers Chained Reactions 5	Posted - 2012.01.02 00:37:00 - [99] - Quote wormholes. /thread
Jacob Stiller The Scope Gallente Federation 1021	Posted - 2012.01.02 08:05:00 - [100] - Quote Vito Tattaglia wrote: Okay, well I think I will give up mining, as I've been ganked twice in the past two days. Unfortunately, I need some advice on how to get enough money to buy a Drake for level 3 and 4 missions. I have access to level 2 security missions with Minedrill, but the best ship I have is a Caracal and I only have 30 million left, when a good Drake fitting will cost about 50. You got 30 million eh? I started station trading with around 80 million from grinding lvl 3 missions, but 30 million is still very doable. Do some research into station trading. Park an alt in one of the 4 big hubs. And start by focusing on a item with high trade volume and a 10% or so spread. And expand from there. If you play it smart and aggressively, you can double your money every few days until you reach somewhere over 500 million. Then things start to get more complicated as you have over 100 orders to manage and have to search harder and harder for new opportunities.
Flakey Foont Republic University Minmatar Republic 94	Posted - 2012.01.04 02:59:00 - [101] - Quote 1-Up Mushroom wrote: Gogela wrote: To anyone. Video games are just games. Well of course they are, but there's still a human on the other side of the screen. Now scamming a NPC is different, but who scams NPC's I always try....and fail.
Ashera Yune Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2012.01.04 04:25:00 - [102] - Quote Become a Televangelist in America. Trick and Deceive the desperate and stupid people with the promises of the miracles of God in poor and uneducated areas. You will get loads of money by having charisma and lying with a smile. Once you have gained the money you go and buy a load of GTC's then you redeem them for ISK. Behold you are now RL and EVE rich, all by manipulating the illiterate masses. They can't do anything against you, since they gave money to you willingly and God's miracles has no illegal recourse. For those who disagree with my methods, I am doing the world a favor by wiping out the weak and stupid people who are dumb enough to give me money and believe in a bullshit called religion. Religion is infact the GREATEST SCAM OF ALL HISTORY.
Sunny Rin Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 5	Posted - 2012.01.04 05:05:00 - [103] - Quote Ashera Yune wrote: Become a Televangelist in America. Trick and Deceive the desperate and stupid people with the promises of the miracles of God in poor and uneducated areas. You will get loads of money by having charisma and lying with a smile. Once you have gained the money you go and buy a load of GTC's then you redeem them for ISK. Behold you are now RL and EVE rich, all by manipulating the illiterate masses. They can't do anything against you, since they gave money to you willingly and God's miracles has no illegal recourse. For those who disagree with my methods, I am doing the world a favor by wiping out the weak and stupid people who are dumb enough to give me money and believe in a bullshit called religion. Religion is infact the GREATEST SCAM OF ALL HISTORY. Judging by your post, you're a piece of **** in real life.
WhaleCommander Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.01.04 05:22:00 - [104] - Quote Ashera Yune, If there is a God, he will have a special place for you in the lake of fire. Using his name to sin is the ultimate and unforgivable sin.
Jita Alt666 851	Posted - 2012.01.04 06:08:00 - [105] - Quote WhaleCommander wrote: Ashera Yune, If there is a God, he will have a special place for you in the lake of fire. Using his name to sin is the ultimate and unforgivable sin. For some one who professes to be unsure of "god's" existence, you make a number of assumptions: 1. God is singular - Why exclude the possibility of a pantheon? 2. God sends people to a lake of fire - Why limit the punishment issued by deities to that proposed under Christianity and popularised by modern denominations. 3. God is a he - Really you are not sure god exists but are sure of your potential god's gender? 4. Using God's name in vain is the ultimate sin - heh. If you are not sure if god is real or not how come you have limited god to such a degree. If god is real I hope they gather their skirts and smother you under their panties.
WhaleCommander Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.01.04 06:55:00 - [106] - Quote Jita Alt666 wrote: WhaleCommander wrote: Ashera Yune, If there is a God, he will have a special place for you in the lake of fire. Using his name to sin is the ultimate and unforgivable sin. For some one who professes to be unsure of "god's" existence, you make a number of assumptions: 1. God is singular - Why exclude the possibility of a pantheon? 2. God sends people to a lake of fire - Why limit the punishment issued by deities to that proposed under Christianity and popularised by modern denominations. 3. God is a he - Really you are not sure god exists but are sure of your potential god's gender? 4. Using God's name in vain is the ultimate sin - heh. If you are not sure if god is real or not how come you have limited god to such a degree. If god is real I hope they gather their skirts and smother you under their panties. I was referring to the Christian God since Ashera Yune was referring to that as God. I am not making the assumption that if thereis a God, that it is the Christian God. You lack reading comprehension. I believe that you are one of those ignorant fellows that are only good as tools.
Jita Alt666 851	Posted - 2012.01.04 07:14:00 - [107] - Quote WhaleCommander wrote: WhaleCommander wrote: Ashera Yune, If there is a God, he will have a special place for you in the lake of fire. Using his name to sin is the ultimate and unforgivable sin. I am not making the assumption that if thereis a God, that it is the Christian God. My reading comprehension is equidistant to your writing comprehension
WhaleCommander Perkone Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.01.04 09:04:00 - [108] - Quote Jita Alt666 wrote: WhaleCommander wrote: WhaleCommander wrote: Ashera Yune, If there is a God, he will have a special place for you in the lake of fire. Using his name to sin is the ultimate and unforgivable sin. I am not making the assumption that if thereis a God, that it is the Christian God. My reading comprehension is equidistant to your writing comprehension Equidistant? You should read the dictionary your lack of knowledge of the definition of the word, show that you are mentally inept. Equidistant of course means equal of distance. I believe the correct term is equal. But then you are wrong in that I am correct in my statement and it is a mere typo of a missing space.
pussnheels Vintage heavy industries 257	Posted - 2012.01.04 10:16:00 - [109] - Quote beqst way is to buy plex don't bother with industry , jerks will just laugh at you when they kill you over and over again just tto kill your game enjoyment and because jerks/ griefers are encouraged by ccp to hurt you as bad as they can even your RL wallet if possible I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Zofe Stormcaller NUTS AND BOLTS MANUFACTURING F0RCEFUL ENTRY 1	Posted - 2012.01.04 10:36:00 - [110] - Quote Aiwha wrote: Incursions. Train up a good armor ship, find a fleet in one of the player run incursion channels, make isk. Secondly would be blitzing level 4 missions for loyalty points. (aka: skip as much of the mission as possible, grab objective, turn it in) Third best is going to be running sanctums/havens in -.8 through -.9 nullsec. This. The forlorn/forsaken hubs are also not bad for isk. Incursions are also probably the best PvE in high sec for making isk.

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