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Vito Tattaglia New Paradigm Inc. Mass Consortium Alliance 9	Posted - 2011.12.28 03:02:00 - [1] - Quote I've been playing for about a month now, and so far I'm pretty poor in EVE standards. I only have 33 million, and 20 of that was made from selling my christmas gifts. I've been focusing on mining, but that is getting slightly dull, as I'm only making 300k every 7 minutes in my Retriever. Botting is a no go, as I prefer not to be banned. I was thinking of buying a PLEX, but I want that to be a last resort as I want to spend as little money on EVE as possible, other than the monthly sub. Right now I'm trying to train Mining Barge 5 to fly around a Covetor, but that is still 20 days away. What would you guys suggest I do in my position to make some ISK?
J Kunjeh 126	Posted - 2011.12.28 03:05:00 - [2] - Quote Try doing all of the new player career missions....I hear they've beefed up the ISK/Ships/lootz earned and if you complete them all you'll be sitting on another 20-25 million plus a few ships and a pile of skill books. "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á
Tanith YarnDemon Hypernet Inc. Umbrella Chemical Inc 1	Posted - 2011.12.28 03:05:00 - [3] - Quote Whatever you're good at. If you don't know, read up on as much as you possibly can and try it all out. While trading may be most lucrative in theory, if you're poor at it anything will be better. EVE allows you to turn near enough any skill you may have into isk. Personally I made my first few bil purely off of exploration and missions.
Airdorn The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.12.28 03:05:00 - [4] - Quote Do missions.
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1095	Posted - 2011.12.28 03:06:00 - [5] - Quote Scamming is, by far, the best way to make isk. Mining is probably the worst way to make money and is so boring you'll quit the game in frustration before you make enough to recoup your investment in exhumers, mods and skillbooks. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Dirk Magnum Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan 111	Posted - 2011.12.28 03:06:00 - [6] - Quote You're not actually that poor by newb standards. If you want to make more ISK than you are currently, try salvaging. I mean, if you want to stay within predictable, conventional game mechanics. Otherwise, scam, scam, scam. "For example, if you are thinking about selling a Republic Fleet Firetail as a regular Firetail, be sure that the market volume is high on regular Firetails and that there are plenty of buy/sell contracts for Republic Fleet Firetails. [...] The players most interested in Republic Fleet Firetails are going to be players flying regular ones."-á -- PB
Skydell Space Mermaids 28	Posted - 2011.12.28 03:09:00 - [7] - Quote You are doing fine. The trouble is the illusion of needing money. You are training Barge 5 so you need enough to buy a Hulk and enough to replace it. What is it that makes you feel you need more ISK than you have now? When I was a month old in EVE I think I had around 5 mill and I was happy. My plan was to own a Prophecy BC,t hey looked cool and I wanted one. So I played the game, made some ISK and got one. Enjoy it while it lasts. Noobness is valuable.
Samuel Adamms Raven Pack 0	Posted - 2011.12.28 03:10:00 - [8] - Quote EVE is a social game, the best ways of making isk almost always involve interacting with other players. These are going to be more unfamiliar to new players though. In the mean time, try ninja salvaging. You will get about 10mil/hour. There should be a ton of guides online to help you.
Ris Dnalor Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan 123	Posted - 2011.12.28 03:15:00 - [9] - Quote Try everything. In the end do what you enjoy. Or rather, train first to optimize your ability to do what you enjoy. Eventually you may tire of the same old, same old, and train for other things when that happens. In the end, buy plex only when needed. But as you play eve longer you will find the temptation to get that 2nd account grow stronger and stronger. If that happens, bear this in mind. If you find you love pvp above all else. The money you might use to fund that second account, could also be used to buy plex to be sold for isk for the first account, to fund it's pvp activity. Welcome to eve, I hope you enjoy her company as much as I have. o7 Fly well or die well. Ris Dnalor
Infinimo GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 371	Posted - 2011.12.28 03:33:00 - [10] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Scamming is, by far, the best way to make isk. Mining is probably the worst way to make money and is so boring you'll quit the game in frustration before you make enough to recoup your investment in exhumers, mods and skillbooks. this basically, i have never done any grinding and i have ~70bill in assets and isk Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~
Liam Mirren 55	Posted - 2011.12.28 03:35:00 - [11] - Quote As others have stated mining is not very good income, there'll always be people defending it with illogical nonsense but the truth it that it sucks, it's done mostly half-afk with close to zero effort so logically it CAN'T be good income. Ditch mining (unless you really REALLY, honestly, like it), and have a look at your options. - run combat missions, that gives you good and dependable income while you're training up your ship skills - learn about exploration, less repetitive than missions but also less predictable income - (ninja) salvaging, salvage other people's wrecks either with or without their consent (this is VERY good incoem for starters and doesn't take much SP, just effort and a certain mindset) - trading, buy low and sell high. Learn about people's habits and exploit it. Can make massive isk but if you take it too serious it has a habit of turning into Spreadsheets Online. If you keep it simple it's a nice addition to your income - become part of a really active corp that does stuff WAY out of your comfort zone, it'll require you to be bold and be willing to learn and put in effort but tagging along with the "big boys" mostly means you'll see a whole lot of the game, more than you would solo or in a zombie corp, you'll find that in that group there's lots of things to do that lower SP players can do just fine, if they have the will to succeed. Most of the times such willing newbies are helped along just fine, isk and ship wise. There's way more options, if anything don't commit to a single thing because it'll bore you to death after a while. Do different things like a day of trading, some missions clown around with probes for exploration. Keep it interesting and realise that you don't HAVE to grind, at all. Also, isk doesn't HAVE to be a goal. As long as you make more than you lose, why would you really care about how much you have. If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.
Raiykjab Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.12.28 03:54:00 - [12] - Quote I'm curious to know what you choosed as a christmas gift, and I hope you didn't include the implants inside, caus if you did things right you'd have well enough isks to buy yourself a plex and a hulk if you wanted to. Now if you want good isks you are out of luck in your retriever, your covetor won't be much better, I also mine a bit, but only when I'm too lazy to do smth else and still wanna get my injection of videogame (camping static ded for respwan is relaxing too tho). Exploration is nice, but it's very hit and miss. You can make hundreads of millions in two hours when you are freaking lucky, and sometimes you'll do nearly nothing for days. Overall if you skill enough for it you'll be able to do more than solo mining in a hulk. Somewhere between running l3 and l4 missions. Another thing you might have missed is planetary interaction (PI). This will cost you a couple dozens millions isks to setup, but then it's a small passive income you'll cash in from time to time, 100mil a month should be doable on hi-sec planets. Just don't mess up and research what are the goods worth producing, you ll find a few hints by googling the subject. Best money maker would be missions lv 4. Steady income. What I would do if I were you. Setup some PI colonies asap if you didn't, you'll be able to cash in your investement pretty fast, get at least 4 planets for a start. Then get yourself a decent combat ship to mission lv 3 and exploration. I do it in a drake which is a very fine ship when most of your skills aren't combat skills. Learn how to prob, up your support skills, run some lv 3 missions for standing(you need standing with corps if you want to perfect refine your ore), explore some sites, cash in your PI, mine, mix in activities. Sidenote Hulkkagedon will be due soon, so you better be prepared to park your mining ships and do smth else when it lasts. That sums it, fly safe
Dbars Grinding Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 84	Posted - 2011.12.28 05:16:00 - [13] - Quote i would train for probing. Go to Dodixie probe down battleships that are away from the main station. Salvage the lvl 4 missions they are doing. Talk to people you find in missions/local. Find good corp. Later do exploration with said probe skills. /Profit
Brujo Loco Brujeria Teologica 50	Posted - 2011.12.28 05:19:00 - [14] - Quote Pull a EBANK bank Scam ... oh tears were flowing that day. 600 Billion profit !!! Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco
Selinate 186	Posted - 2011.12.28 05:20:00 - [15] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Scamming is, by far, the best way to make isk. Mining is probably the worst way to make money and is so boring you'll quit the game in frustration before you make enough to recoup your investment in exhumers, mods and skillbooks. Why can't people be more thorough when they just say "Scamming is the best way to make isk"? Not all scamming is created equal. Spamming a one trit for 2 billion isk will actually turn out to be isk inefficient compared to level 4 missions. If you actually want to make a decent amount of isk through scamming, you have to rip off people directly through trade windows or other means, or possibly corp theft, but no, scamming in general is not necessarily the best way to make isk.
Aiwha 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda 34	Posted - 2011.12.28 05:22:00 - [16] - Quote Incursions. Train up a good armor ship, find a fleet in one of the player run incursion channels, make isk. Secondly would be blitzing level 4 missions for loyalty points. (aka: skip as much of the mission as possible, grab objective, turn it in) Third best is going to be running sanctums/havens in -.8 through -.9 nullsec. Regards, LCpl. Aiwha
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 167	Posted - 2011.12.28 05:25:00 - [17] - Quote EVE is game, and unless your game within EVE is become rich then the purpose is having fun
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 360	Posted - 2011.12.28 06:39:00 - [18] - Quote It's a huge detriment to the game to "need ISK". But the game pretty much has nowhere to go beyond that, and too much advertising of "he who has most ISK in his wallet wins" has created such a player base. The kind of players who, if you reduce a bounty one ISK or make a mining laser yield 1 percent less they howl and scream and claim that CCP hates them personally and favors all other player goals over theirs. So once every player latches on to that huge "ISK teet" like a young calf it's next to impossible to get them off it. Here's a suggestion: unless seeing a larger number IS your game, and only your game, forget ISK. Find you how you like to play, whether it's ship toasting, exploration, experimental fitting, or whatever, and play that way. ISK will roll in and at a such a rate that if you play well you will be able to replace lost ships. There are a lot of people who live under the idea that a "leet" PVP'er typically has to have a "carebear alt" running missions in high sec or mining to finance that PVP main, but I have observed that such players are stupidly throwing ships into meat grinders over dumb camp/blob tactics and calling that PVP. All of that is a lie. It's "demolition derby" style of playing and yes you need lots of ISK for that but otherwise if you play your game your way and find a way to be good at it ISK will not be a huge factor nor something you care much about. Sometimes I go for months without earning ISK, but because of exploration I have a lot of goodies that I am too lazy to contract/auction. I only run level 4 missions to get SOE LPs or because even after nearly 6 years of playing, I have still not yet seen every level 4 mission.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 360	Posted - 2011.12.28 06:41:00 - [19] - Quote Dbars Grinding wrote: i would train for probing. Go to Dodixie probe down battleships that are away from the main station. Salvage the lvl 4 missions they are doing. Talk to people you find in missions/local. Find good corp. Later do exploration with said probe skills. /Profit There is a FREE WRECKS channel where you will find some level 4 mission runners who will blue every wreck and you can make ISK like a bandit.
Pinaculus Insanely Twisted 81	Posted - 2011.12.28 07:09:00 - [20] - Quote Mining is pretty poorly designed, and a terrible way to earn ISK. Once you get out of mining you'll see that nearly every other set of skills has a better earning potential. Mining is great for only one reason. It's, for some people, kind of relaxing. You earn minimal ISK, but can chat with friends while you do it. If you love the market game then check out Planetary Interaction, Invention, Trade, or Manufacturing. Station trading is the easiest of these get into. Basically, you find a market hub and scour the market for stuff to buy cheap and sell expensive. If you love blowing stuff up then check out missions. They're very straightforward, but get a bit tedious after a while. If you love probing stuff down (and explosions) then check out exploration. You can get started in high-sec, but low/null and wormholes are the end-game for these. It's very competitive in high, and very dangerous in low/null, and super dangerous in WHs. Even so, the payout is fantastic and there's PVP sometimes. If you love fleeting with people and chatting with random strangers skill up for Incursions. The money is great and you meet lots of people. It'll get you used to jargon that is used in PVP fleets, but you'll need a pretty solid set of combat skills to start. Not super, but a couple of months at minimum. It's probably the best money in the game, and after you grind them a few months you won't really care about ISK any more. If you love duels and PVP take your 30 million and buy a bunch of T1 frigates. Cruise the belts in low-sec and PVP with other people. You'll get the hang of what you can take and what you can't, people that beat you will often give you good advice, and some people fit stupidly expensive mods to their PVP ships. The money isn't that great, but it's kinda fun. If you get a good rep you can join a PVP corp and get steady fleets. A null sec corp can be good, I hear. As I've never tried that I won't comment much. I know that fun in null is completely based on how fun your corp is, so if you get in a crappy one don't be afraid to ditch them. The money is very very good, and there's lots of PVP (I hear). There's other stuff I haven't mentioned, but that's one cool thing about EVE. It's big. There's lots of little places to make cash. Once you learn your way around ISK is really not an issue unless you want to be super mega rich. Edit: There's also a guide at www.isktheguide.com It's free. I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.
Xearal SOL Industries Black Thorne Alliance 76	Posted - 2011.12.28 07:18:00 - [21] - Quote As suggested, there are many ways to make money in Eve. good starter ones have already been posted so I'm not going to do that. Instead, I recommend you try a bit of everything you can, and do what you enjoy most. I started off as a miner, though I found solo mining very boring, but group mining was fun ( and also more profitable because of the fleet booster ). I tried missioning, and have done it a lot, but I don't like it much, it's something I do when I don't feel like doing other things. Then I started exploration, first just in high sec. It's an eratic form of income, some nights as noob I made 100-200M isk, some nights I was lucky with 10M, but the eraticness also gave it a thrill, scanning stuff down, hoping for something good, then going in, hoping I could take on what was there, and the joy of finding good loot. ( I found a Dramiel BPC in my first month of playing Eve, I still have that dramiel, and I treasure it for the fun I had when I found it ) Nowadays, I am part explorer, part industrialist, slowly expanding my production repetoire, saving up for new ventures when I come up with a new way to make isk through manufacture of something, pouring over numbers, crunching things out, and loving it when a new venture started to let the cash flow in. The last weeks though I've been slowly getting more and more a taste of pew pew, and that lust for pod goo.. so who knows what the future is going to bring.
Jacob Stiller The Scope Gallente Federation 710	Posted - 2011.12.28 07:25:00 - [22] - Quote "Best way of making ISK" is a bit subjective. Of the "legitimate" ways of making isk, station trading will bring in one of the largest seas of ISK. Best of all, you technically don't need much SP at all to participate. Although some skills and standings do help. However, the 0.01 ISK wars can suck at times, and burnout will probably prevent you from throwing yourself into the ring everyday. Surely, you will go insane if it is the only thing you do. However, when you're in the right mood, the mountains of isk you can make in few short days can be quite exciting. This all comes with the disclaimer that you should understand how trading works in the first place. If you come barging in woefully ignorant or have no talent for the craft, you may very well lose mountains of isk instead.
Vyl Vit Cambio Enterprises 140	Posted - 2011.12.28 09:47:00 - [23] - Quote It isn't about money. It's about making Lady Harlot hate you...ummm...Freudian slip there... If you look at this as a shopping center with the only hold up being no credit card, like most of these scam scam scammers do, then you'll never have enough since enough will never be enough. You make a billion, and all you can see is that "1" and the itch hits you about turning it into a "2". Once that "2" is there...where's my "3"? On and on it goes till it rolls over to the next denominator. Even if you had billions to buy a buncha crap, most of it you couldn't use anyway wivvout that training...training...training...which leads to the OTHER motivation - capability. Being able to do some things very well and just not bothering to do them because they're beneath you is far more rewarding than making endless ISK in a race to nowhere special. You see, true freedom lies in your ability to just do NOTHING, and gloat about it. The catch is, if you can't do anything then doing nothing isn't very special. If you can do EVERYTHING, and do it well, then not doing anything becomes the quintessence of pleasure. That's when you're in the leisure class. Don't be a squirrel and constantly rabbit for money (pardon the mixed metaphor). Be a lion and just hang out surveying your surroundings with untouchable arrogance. You'll be glad you did! To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate.
Zimmy Zeta Battle Force Industries 197	Posted - 2011.12.28 09:51:00 - [24] - Quote I would not recommend starting gambles like invention or trading with your low amount of isk. You should have at least 500 M before you start one of those careers and be prepared to lose a lot of money until you have really learned what you are doing and how to do it. Just my 0,02 Isk. -.-
Lexmana Imperial Stout 121	Posted - 2011.12.28 09:59:00 - [25] - Quote If you ever are gonna buy a PLEX for $$ and sell for ISK now is the time. That 450M ISK will be a small fortune for a new player like yourself and you can relax a little and fit your ships decently. Just spend it wisely. Later on you will be able to make the ISK yourself and 450M is not that big of a deal. But seriously, mining? I got bored already during the tutorials.
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1097	Posted - 2011.12.28 10:25:00 - [26] - Quote Selinate wrote: If you actually want to make a decent amount of isk through scamming, you have to rip off people directly through trade windows or other means This is one of the worst ways to make money scamming...only a (tiny) step up from contract scams. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Seleia O'Sinnor Arklight Project Fade 2 Black 118	Posted - 2011.12.28 10:53:00 - [27] - Quote Eve suffers under certain automated programs which play eve and earn money. They naturally do simple stuff like mining or ratting. It's strictly against the EULA so don't do it. There are alliances to be known for doing it anyway and stay unharmed. That's all rumours and I think I'm just making up these things...pathetic programs playing a sophisticated space simulator like Eve Online, where mining asteroids is the most diversified activity... Not that I want to encourage you to look into that route, but you asked about a "best way": Not playing Eve and earning money is a great ratio for income/playtime, in a parralel universe, of course. Eve community: An angry mob of bright people hunting witches, more torches, more hay forks, growing and growing.
Shawnm339 Galactic Shipyards Inc NEM3SIS. 18	Posted - 2011.12.28 11:07:00 - [28] - Quote Took me a year but just made my first bill lost a load moving to nullsec but had immense fun learning finally got back on my feet to the point where there's ships I'd like fullfill roles within my allaince but nothing extra ordinary I really want had my eye on a legion for a while but theyre just pixels on a screen you dont play to make isk you play to blow up or be blwon up there is nothing else in eve as much fun or that can be financially rewarding as taking down a carrier in a wormhole and looting the stuff that drops.... My wallet is a means to an end and nothing more....others base their success on the accumulation of wealth at the end of the day is what you make it I've run level 4s til i wanted to punch my dog...I've done incursions..I've done probing I now have the ships to do as I please bored of havens I'll go probe.....form a quick gate camp.....go to hi sec for a bit of care bearing in incursions keep your options open by having the ships and this world is as limitless as the ships you posess...don't own the one best level 4 ship own one that allows you to own a probing ship or an incursion runner.....set your goals low for now aim to fly a harby say and do level 3s skill up to the max for the fittings available.... I've found by keeping my options open I've seen some of the best and worst bits this game has to offer
Pyhrrus Otsada EVE University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2011.12.28 11:30:00 - [29] - Quote Dirk Magnum wrote: You're not actually that poor by newb standards. If you want to make more ISK than you are currently, try salvaging. I mean, if you want to stay within predictable, conventional game mechanics. Otherwise, scam, scam, scam. Hes mining. Hes poor by all and any standards that exist. I've been playing 16 days and I've made over 220m missioning.
sYnc Vir Wolfsbrigade 71	Posted - 2011.12.28 11:32:00 - [30] - Quote Sadly FW Mission are worth about 300M per hour and can be done solo in a SB for the right faction "COUGH CALDARI COUGH"

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