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Dark Lord Trump
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
341
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Posted - 2017.02.23 00:22:23 -
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LouHodo wrote:Spenser for Hire wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:IB4L?
I mean really, how batshit crazy do you have to be to conflate pirate BS prices, ganking, and safety in high sec? Shouldn't you be asking that of the Suicide Gankers who claim that Suicide Ganking protects the market from being driven into the ground??? How Batshit crazy do you have to be to NOT understand that??? No offense but you can just report them for abuse and violation of the EULA rule 6 section C, item 16. Which is the catchall which in short says, "If it makes the game unfun for you, then it is against the rules." Wrong. That doesn't apply to actions within the rules, and ganking is not against the rules of the game.
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Wanda Fayne
537
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Posted - 2017.02.23 00:28:46 -
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Nothing says I love you like a kill mail
your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1492
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Posted - 2017.02.23 00:29:33 -
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Dark Lord Trump wrote:They risk that the gank might fail because a ship scanner gave imperfect intel (they do that) I've witnessed a couple of failed battle cruiser ganks on DST's in Uedama over the last weeks. Ganking those things in battlecruisers seems to be a thing atm. I've still to witness one that actually succeeds.
Targets usually left local in high spirits .
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5712
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Posted - 2017.02.23 01:13:27 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote:Targets usually left local in high spirits . I would too if I survived!
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Zanar Skwigelf
Boa Innovations Brothers of Tangra
74
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Posted - 2017.02.23 03:22:54 -
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Quote:20 to 25 pilots in ships worth 2mil each gank a high value, soft target worth more than 2 billion, at the very least, and the Gankers walk away with hundreds of millions of ISK! They faced NO RISK whatsoever and reaped high rewards!
Do we tell OP that if we use this logic then the 1, single bullet that killed Franz Ferdinand and started world war 1 should have cost enough money to bankrupt Germany? or do we just let him think that you have to spend a bil to earn a bil? |
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
1219
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Posted - 2017.02.23 03:41:20 -
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this is some of the most incoherent, froth mouthed ranting i've read in, ohhh, minutes.
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5717
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Posted - 2017.02.23 06:58:03 -
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Who needs a salt lick when you can just vist the EVE GD...
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Salvos Rhoska
2257
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Posted - 2017.02.23 09:11:38 -
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Regardless of the rest, OP might be right about the Machariel market though. (At this moment there is a 20-30mil profit per unit for trading Jita Machs to Rens Oo)
Inversely, Rattlesnakes which are also very popular for PvE, seem to just get increasingly expensive.
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Infinity Ziona
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2524
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Posted - 2017.02.23 09:17:43 -
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Dark Lord Trump wrote:Spenser for Hire wrote:Eve Griefer wrote:Spenser for Hire wrote:
The sole purpose of the Gankers is to Grief other players! This is why Gankers have shifted from Suicide Ganking HULK's to suicide ganking Maruaders and other high sec blinged out ships! Because its about attacking Soft targets of high value because that guarantees Grief. Nothing but Bullies kicking over everyone's sandcastle but their own!
If the loot fairy is kind and the bling drops, then the gankers have made on their investment. Profit is all the reason needed. the simplicity and the honesty are definitely appreciated. And once again, EVE Online's so-called "Risk Vs. Reward" ethos is proven to be yet another of the myths that abound. 20 to 25 pilots in ships worth 2mil each gank a high value, soft target worth more than 2 billion, at the very least, and the Gankers walk away with hundreds of millions of ISK! They faced NO RISK whatsoever and reaped high rewards! They risk that the gank might fail because a ship scanner gave imperfect intel (they do that) or some joker decloaks his Falcon and jams out half the gank fleet. Furthermore, the only reason they make so much is because of a deliberate choice of their target to fly so blingy. Many gankers dont gank for isk. Checking killboards its easy to find kills of freighters that are empty and were killed only for thr killmail. One ganking session I looked at involving Baltec n goons they killed 17 freighters with 13 empty or near empty.
I have played since 2003 I could gank people for a year with no profit and barely dent my assets, when it comes to organizations with thousands of players funds are virtually limitless for ganking. If you happen to get lucky and pop a rich freighter or purple bling ship thats just cream. The idea that ganking is profitable is rubbish in comparison to other activities.
Whether its good for the game is highly doubtful - EvE became popular and sucessful when ganking was seen and treated negatively by devs and since then its struggled to grow. Its very likely ganking and toxicity that led to its slow growth
Some of the above posts claim CCPs highly dubious study of less than 14 day old players show ganking didnt lead to cancelations but they ignore the fact that most gank targets are much older than 14 days and those players often lose billions while newer players less than 14 days old likely only lose a frigate or dessie
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
3154
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Posted - 2017.02.23 09:21:34 -
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Spenser for Hire wrote:Trying to justify taking other kids' lunch-money by saying its good for the school economy! As you clearly haven't figured this out yet, the whole point of Eve Online is to take the other kids' lunch money. The entire game is structured to put you in competition with, and at risk to, the other players.
New Eden has a destruction-based economy. The players built almost everything, and destroy the vast majority of things. Suicide ganking is only a modest, but not insignificant, fraction of that destruction, but is the only true non-consensual, player-driven risk to imprudent play in highsec. Given that highsec is suppose to be the safest space, this is perfectly appropriate, but nowhere in New Eden is suppose to be completely safe.
As you sort of correctly identify though, the reason your pirate battleship has dropped so much in value has nothing to do with their destruction. If anything, they are being destroyed at unprecedentedly high rates but there are just much more being built due to increased farming of them. So why are you blaming highsec ganking for what is clearly a supply-side game change that devalued your asset?
I think in this case, you need to look to CCP and their changes to anomalies as the bully that took your lunch money. It was their game changes that devalued your pirate battleship (or possibly the nullsec farmers who, notably, are immune to suicide ganking given the lack of CONCORD in those systems), not the lazy suicide gankers who failed to destroy enough of them.
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Infinity Ziona
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2526
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Posted - 2017.02.23 09:27:56 -
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EvE was never designed to support ganking
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
3633
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Posted - 2017.02.23 09:52:36 -
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Spenser for Hire wrote:CCP won't release the numbers of people who quit after being Suicide ganked. Or the numbers of people who cite having been Suicide ganked as the reason they are quitting. So, the Suicide Gankers have been having a field day mystifying everyone who complains on the forums with their absolutely absurd arguments. But they did mention that from all the players who quit, < 1% even cite ship loss as a reason. They also conducted a study to find out if suicide ganking makes it less likely that a new players subscribes. The results showed quite the opposite.
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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
4
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Posted - 2017.02.23 10:08:29 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Spenser for Hire wrote:CCP won't release the numbers of people who quit after being Suicide ganked. Or the numbers of people who cite having been Suicide ganked as the reason they are quitting. So, the Suicide Gankers have been having a field day mystifying everyone who complains on the forums with their absolutely absurd arguments. But they did mention that from all the players who quit, < 1% even cite ship loss as a reason. They also conducted a study to find out if suicide ganking makes it less likely that a new players subscribes. The results showed quite the opposite. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A92Ge2S8M1Y
U really trust that? Would speak wide open that a half of ppl left Eve cause of losing a ship cause of being ganked? If so then another half of eve would leave cause CCP would have to do an action against that, as ppl live in null sec and SPECIALY in low sec play eve ONLY cause of possible ganking other and harass reason - and i think thats more ppl than being gangked (eve is all about allianced, corporations, WHICH are ganking others =] |
Malcorath Sacerdos
Rogue Meddlers
44
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Posted - 2017.02.23 10:08:37 -
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nice find. |
Lukka
12
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Posted - 2017.02.23 10:14:09 -
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OP, this is a rant. You make unfounded assumptions regarding the reasons for pirate battleship devaluation (completely ignoring the fact that the gaming meta for ratting has moved from pirate battleships to marauders and carriers). Equally you make unfounded assumptions that gankers simply want to grief (ignoring the fact that many are profiteering). Furthermore you make unfounded assumptions about their motivations: resolving the economy is unlikely to be a motivator for many individual players who gank.
Furthermore you use a single quotation as the basis for your 'findings'. |
Keno Skir
1311
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Posted - 2017.02.23 10:30:17 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:ppl live in null sec and SPECIALY in low sec play eve ONLY cause of possible ganking other and harass reason
That's a massive generalization, you're not worth listening to.
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lilol' me
Retribution Holdings Corp Retribution.
68
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Posted - 2017.02.23 10:40:44 -
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funny thing is 0.0 is safer than highsec... the carebears and ultimately the problem is nullsec not highsec. the problem with people whining about highsec is from useless pvpers who want easy kills. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5728
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Posted - 2017.02.23 10:44:35 -
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That's not what I took away from it - what I got is that piracy (etc.) is intended to be more lucrative outside of high-sec. As I don't operate in low or null-sec, I can't comment on whether this is true beyond theorizing that the generally accepted term of "piracy" doesn't really exist in EVE. Or are ships routinely robbed of their cargo and released to continue on their way? (and not in the form of a pod or jump clone)
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18668
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Posted - 2017.02.23 10:45:24 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Spenser for Hire wrote:CCP won't release the numbers of people who quit after being Suicide ganked. Or the numbers of people who cite having been Suicide ganked as the reason they are quitting. So, the Suicide Gankers have been having a field day mystifying everyone who complains on the forums with their absolutely absurd arguments. But they did mention that from all the players who quit, < 1% even cite ship loss as a reason. They also conducted a study to find out if suicide ganking makes it less likely that a new players subscribes. The results showed quite the opposite. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A92Ge2S8M1Y U really trust that? Would speak wide open that a half of ppl left Eve cause of losing a ship cause of being ganked? If so then another half of eve would leave cause CCP would have to do an action against that, as ppl live in null sec and SPECIALY in low sec play eve ONLY cause of possible ganking other and harass reason - and i think thats more ppl than being gangked (eve is all about allianced, corporations, WHICH are ganking others =]
Lets put it this way, why would CCP post results that fly in the face of the last 6 years of changes they have made to EVE if it's not true. What exactly do they gain by showing that the massive amounts of nerfs and content removal in that time was unjustified? |
Gregorius Goldstein
Ze One Man Show
1962
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Posted - 2017.02.23 10:47:26 -
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Every time I read such a thread I get the feeling that I should start a ganker alt. |
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18668
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Posted - 2017.02.23 10:48:18 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:That's not what I took away from it - what I got is that piracy (etc.) is intended to be more lucrative outside of high-sec. As I don't operate in low or null-sec, I can't comment on whether this is true beyond theorizing that the generally accepted term of "piracy" doesn't really exist in EVE. Or are ships routinely robbed of their cargo and released to continue on their way? (and not in the form of a pod or jump clone)
Ransoms and cargo seizing was a thing for a few years until too many spergs decided to kill them anyway. Once that trust went so did the ransoms. |
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
5
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Posted - 2017.02.23 10:52:11 -
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lilol' me wrote:funny thing is 0.0 is safer than highsec... the carebears and ultimately the problem is nullsec not highsec. the problem with people whining about highsec is from useless pvpers who want easy kills.
this |
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
5
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Posted - 2017.02.23 10:53:05 -
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Keno Skir wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:ppl live in null sec and SPECIALY in low sec play eve ONLY cause of possible ganking other and harass reason That's a massive generalization,
Massive Generalization is that every guy in high sec is a carebear and should be a valid target;
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Malcorath Sacerdos
Rogue Meddlers
44
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Posted - 2017.02.23 11:00:20 -
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baltec1 wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:That's not what I took away from it - what I got is that piracy (etc.) is intended to be more lucrative outside of high-sec. As I don't operate in low or null-sec, I can't comment on whether this is true beyond theorizing that the generally accepted term of "piracy" doesn't really exist in EVE. Or are ships routinely robbed of their cargo and released to continue on their way? (and not in the form of a pod or jump clone) Ransoms and cargo seizing was a thing for a few years until too many spergs decided to kill them anyway. Once that trust went so did the ransoms.
indeed and now we have rampart HS Ganking as the new baseline piracy. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5729
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Posted - 2017.02.23 11:01:29 -
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baltec1 wrote:Ransoms and cargo seizing was a thing for a few years until too many spergs decided to kill them anyway. Once that trust went so did the ransoms. Many low-sec players claim that piracy is alive and well and that ransoms are routinely offered and honored. I contend that this is not the case, and that the prevalence of killmail bragging, joy in shooting blinged ships and pods and extracting as many tears and salt as possible is now standard operating procedure. Or is this perception off?
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18669
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Posted - 2017.02.23 11:05:00 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:lilol' me wrote:funny thing is 0.0 is safer than highsec... the carebears and ultimately the problem is nullsec not highsec. the problem with people whining about highsec is from useless pvpers who want easy kills. this
So why does every survey find that highsec has less killed per head of population and null eats up the vast bulk of destruction? |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5729
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Posted - 2017.02.23 11:05:42 -
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Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:indeed and now we have rampart HS Ganking as the new baseline piracy. This isn't piracy so much as it is suicide bombing.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18669
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Posted - 2017.02.23 11:05:47 -
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Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:baltec1 wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:That's not what I took away from it - what I got is that piracy (etc.) is intended to be more lucrative outside of high-sec. As I don't operate in low or null-sec, I can't comment on whether this is true beyond theorizing that the generally accepted term of "piracy" doesn't really exist in EVE. Or are ships routinely robbed of their cargo and released to continue on their way? (and not in the form of a pod or jump clone) Ransoms and cargo seizing was a thing for a few years until too many spergs decided to kill them anyway. Once that trust went so did the ransoms. indeed and now we have rampart HS Ganking as the new baseline piracy.
Ganking is way lower than it used to be. |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
397
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Posted - 2017.02.23 11:09:00 -
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gankers don't go after the null mission runners because they don't leave highsec and they claim a battleship takes to much work to kill that's on autopilot like a freighter. if ganker groups would mass spam incursion sectors lots of faction ships can die on a daily basis fairly easy. esp on TPPH where people go afk shooting the station or you jump in the Vanguards where they don't move pass the warp in.
Hell i'd settle for having a mass incursion fleet with the sole purpose is killing the mom for the tears.
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5729
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Posted - 2017.02.23 11:09:18 -
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baltec1 wrote:Ganking is way lower than it used to be. Even for freighters...?
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