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Malcorath Sacerdos
Rogue Meddlers
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Posted - 2017.02.23 11:09:52 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Ganking is way lower than it used to be.
cool shure doesent feel like it at times i guess there is data suporting this?
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18669
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Posted - 2017.02.23 11:10:40 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:baltec1 wrote:Ransoms and cargo seizing was a thing for a few years until too many spergs decided to kill them anyway. Once that trust went so did the ransoms. Many low-sec players claim that piracy is alive and well and that ransoms are routinely offered and honored. I contend that this is not the case, and that the prevalence of killmail bragging, joy in shooting blinged ships and pods and extracting as many tears and salt as possible is now standard operating procedure. Or is this perception off?
I'd say that's right, it's been a very long time since I heard of anyone trying to get a ransom. |
Malcorath Sacerdos
Rogue Meddlers
44
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Posted - 2017.02.23 11:15:11 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:indeed and now we have rampart HS Ganking as the new baseline piracy. This isn't piracy so much as it is suicide bombing. I'm not advocating or condeming ganking one way or the other, but calling it "piracy" is really a stretch.
well considering that besides the isk loss for getting concorded and sec loss there is no real loss to ganking its all a calculated risk. is the loss of ships greater then the projected drops? if it is dont gank if the projected drop is greater gank. the only loss is on the part of the ganked.
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5729
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Posted - 2017.02.23 11:15:25 -
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That being the case, piracy in EVE seems to be dead while griefing seems to be alive and well. It's too bad there isn't a mechanism to reward piracy. Then again, even if there was I'm not sure it would be as "satisfying" for players without any means of bragging about it...
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Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2017.02.23 11:18:02 -
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Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:well considering that besides the isk loss for getting concorded and sec loss there is no real loss to ganking its all a calculated risk. is the loss of ships greater then the projected drops? if it is dont gank if the projected drop is greater gank. the only loss is on the part of the ganked.
piracy in a world of imortals. Sure, but no more calculated risk than any other aspect of the game (minimize risk and investment - maximize reward).
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Malcorath Sacerdos
Rogue Meddlers
44
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Posted - 2017.02.23 11:25:03 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:well considering that besides the isk loss for getting concorded and sec loss there is no real loss to ganking its all a calculated risk. is the loss of ships greater then the projected drops? if it is dont gank if the projected drop is greater gank. the only loss is on the part of the ganked.
piracy in a world of imortals. Sure, but no more calculated risk than any other aspect of the game (minimize risk and investment - maximize reward).
shurething no argument there. still suicide ganking in hs needs to be treated as the new piracy in hs. sadly tho there might not be a way to stop it withing reason. exept perhaps force suicide gankers into a a wardeccable NPC corp ( if they refuce to be in a pc corp...) sadly tho the odds of the HS corporations acually wardecking a piracy corp is slim... (pkk-¦s are fairly rare these days)
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18669
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Posted - 2017.02.23 11:29:07 -
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Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Ganking is way lower than it used to be.
cool shure doesent feel like it at times i guess there is data suporting this?
Tippia looked into this the other year and fond the there is noticeably fewer miners getting ganked. Hardly surprising given all of the nerfs and buffs over the last six years. CCP also pointed out a big drop in the number of exhumers getting ganked after the first barge change. There has been a lot of nerfs and more safety buffs since then. |
Malcorath Sacerdos
Rogue Meddlers
44
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Posted - 2017.02.23 11:30:59 -
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baltec1 wrote:Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Ganking is way lower than it used to be.
cool shure doesent feel like it at times i guess there is data suporting this? Tippia looked into this the other year and fond the there is noticeably fewer miners getting ganked. Hardly surprising given all of the nerfs and buffs over the last six years. CCP also pointed out a big drop in the number of exhumers getting ganked after the first barge change. There has been a lot of nerfs and more safety buffs since then.
i see the problem. you count only miners getting ganked. broaden your search to include all of hs and all types of suicide ganking. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18669
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Posted - 2017.02.23 11:41:54 -
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Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:baltec1 wrote:Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Ganking is way lower than it used to be.
cool shure doesent feel like it at times i guess there is data suporting this? Tippia looked into this the other year and fond the there is noticeably fewer miners getting ganked. Hardly surprising given all of the nerfs and buffs over the last six years. CCP also pointed out a big drop in the number of exhumers getting ganked after the first barge change. There has been a lot of nerfs and more safety buffs since then. i see the problem. you count only miners getting ganked. broaden your search to include all of hs and all types of suicide ganking.
Every barge that was ganked in highsec was included. |
Malcorath Sacerdos
Rogue Meddlers
44
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Posted - 2017.02.23 11:44:03 -
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baltec1 wrote:Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:baltec1 wrote:Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Ganking is way lower than it used to be.
cool shure doesent feel like it at times i guess there is data suporting this? Tippia looked into this the other year and fond the there is noticeably fewer miners getting ganked. Hardly surprising given all of the nerfs and buffs over the last six years. CCP also pointed out a big drop in the number of exhumers getting ganked after the first barge change. There has been a lot of nerfs and more safety buffs since then. i see the problem. you count only miners getting ganked. broaden your search to include all of hs and all types of suicide ganking. Every barge that was ganked in highsec was included.
industrials, freighters, orcas (not that they are easally ganked anymore), blinged out ship of everytype. you get what i am aiming at right ? |
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18669
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Posted - 2017.02.23 12:04:41 -
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Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:
industrials, freighters, orcas (not that they are easally ganked anymore), blinged out ship of everytype. you get what i am aiming at right ?
Feel free to put in the same amount of effort we did with the barge data. You will still finding ganking levels are lower than six to seven years ago.
We worked out that the chances of having your freighter ganked stands at something like less than 0.2% over 1.7 million gate jumps. |
Malcorath Sacerdos
Rogue Meddlers
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Posted - 2017.02.23 12:22:49 -
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yea id need to get the data from ccp on howmany gatejumps are done by freaighters each day and then correlate that with how many freighters get ganked each day. then do that for all ship types in eve in HS.
i have acual research projects going on atm but if i ever get bored with those i might look into this.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18669
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Posted - 2017.02.23 12:26:55 -
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Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:yea id need to get the data from ccp on howmany gatejumps are done by freaighters each day and then correlate that with how many freighters get ganked each day. then do that for all ship types in eve in HS.
i have acual research projects going on atm but if i ever get bored with those i might look into this.
Or you can use the data from the largest shipping organisation in EVE, Red Freight.
I'll be frank, over the years we have amassed a mountain of evidence that shows ganking is not just on a downward trend but is also far harder, more expensive and easier to counter than ever before. It has also been show that if anything ganking keeps players in game rather than drives them away. There is no evidence at all that ganking is either easy, risk free, harms EVE in any way or is at record highs. |
Malcorath Sacerdos
Rogue Meddlers
44
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Posted - 2017.02.23 12:28:13 -
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Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:yea id need to get the data from ccp on howmany gatejumps are done by freaighters each day and then correlate that with how many freighters get ganked each day. then do that for all ship types in eve in HS.
i have acual research projects going on atm but if i ever get bored with those i might look into this.
https://zkillboard.com/group/513/
this coulld be a basis for an intresting basis for statistics one where ppl loose frieghters. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
3154
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Posted - 2017.02.23 12:28:50 -
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Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:industrials, freighters, orcas (not that they are easally ganked anymore), blinged out ship of everytype. you get what i am aiming at right ? A quick look at the CONCORD kill data shows that not to be the case.
At least as far back as I trust the killboard data (end of 2012 when the API was implemented), there has been a continual downward trend in the number of CONCORD kills. In fact, CONCORD is only killing about half the number of ships they were 4-5 years ago.
You can easily see that in a chart of the above numbers:
https://puu.sh/ugdOo/9fc9e9d60f.png
All evidence says suicide ganking is at or near all time lows. Which makes total sense, given highsec safety is at an all-time high after years of continual and near constant buffing.
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Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite CODE.
947
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Posted - 2017.02.23 12:31:09 -
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@op HTFU your little mach won't get back above 500m anytime soon ;)
it's called "market evolution"
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Malcorath Sacerdos
Rogue Meddlers
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Posted - 2017.02.23 12:34:54 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:industrials, freighters, orcas (not that they are easally ganked anymore), blinged out ship of everytype. you get what i am aiming at right ? A quick look at the CONCORD kill data shows that not to be the case. At least as far back as I trust the killboard data (end of 2012 when the API was implemented), there has been a continual downward trend in the number of CONCORD kills. In fact, CONCORD is only killing about half the number of ships they were 4-5 years ago. You can easily see that in a chart of the above numbers: https://puu.sh/ugdOo/9fc9e9d60f.png All evidence says suicide ganking is at or near all time lows. Which makes total sense, given highsec safety is at an all-time high after years of continual and near constant buffing.
i see your point. the numbers are at or near 2012 -2011 numbers but an all time low i would say no to.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
3978
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Posted - 2017.02.23 12:36:46 -
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Spenser for Hire wrote:And the reason why the price of Pirate Battleship is going down is because they are being OVER-PRODUCED in Low and Null Sec! Because it is in Low Sec and Null Sec where there is NO competition! Low Sec and Null Sec players are greedily, voraciously farming LP with the pirate factions then turning that LP into Pirate ships which they are literally flooding the market with. I bet they don't even notice the steady drop in price!!!
correct me if im wrong here but there is no pirate lp stores in lowsec and 800k lp is not an easy amount of lp to gain for a machariel bpc in npc curse, however nobody buys battleship bpc's in null they have more profitable items available for lp, these are overfarmed from ded's in nullsec by ratters, not lowsec.
on another note, people in low and nullsec use these ships in pvp and also lose them then have to buy again, that contributes to the economy, what exactly does a solo mission runner contribute to the economy apart from hoarding lp while never losing a ship
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
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Posted - 2017.02.23 12:49:45 -
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Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:i see your point. the numbers are at or near 2012 -2011 numbers but an all time low i would say no to.
I don't have the numbers to say that, and yes, suicide ganking rates were probably lower early on immediately after CONCORD was made invincible and and for freighters, before they even dropped loot, but there is no evidence that suicide ganking is increasing, out of control, or even a problem which is the usual carebear narrative. CCP Quant's numbers show that total destruction (from all sources, not just suicide ganking) makes up less than 0.1% of all goods transported in highsec, and ganking of barges shows a similar decrease in recent years, which is off true all time lows in 2012 when Dr. Eyjo reported that Exhumers were blowing up at "historically low rates" (pg. 104).
Highsec is extremely safe. CCP has buffed safety so much it is near impossible to make a living as a pirate there. The cost to attack is so high, only when another player makes a mistake and undocks in an overloaded hauler or blinged out ship is it even possible.
CCP always intended you to be at risk in highsec, and always intended for you to be able to attack another player if you were willing to accept the consequences.
Everything is working as intended. The only problem here, and it isn't probably one worth discussing, is that the OP is playing the wrong game. He is not willing to accept loss in his gaming experience, either from suicide gankers or from a changing market that has devalued his battleship. He probably should just move on and let us all get back to playing in our competitive PvP sandbox together.
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Malcorath Sacerdos
Rogue Meddlers
45
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Posted - 2017.02.23 12:56:56 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:i see your point. the numbers are at or near 2012 -2011 numbers but an all time low i would say no to.
I don't have the numbers to say that, and yes, suicide ganking rates were probably lower early on immediately after CONCORD was made invincible and and for freighters, before they even dropped loot, but there is no evidence that suicide ganking is increasing, out of control, or even a problem which is the usual carebear narrative. CCP Quant's numbers show that total destruction (from all sources, not just suicide ganking) makes up less than 0.1% of all goods transported in highsec, and ganking of barges shows a similar decrease in recent years, which is off true all time lows in 2012 when Dr. Eyjo reported that Exhumers were blowing up at "historically low rates" ( pg. 104). Highsec is extremely safe. CCP has buffed safety so much it is near impossible to make a living as a pirate there. The cost to attack is so high, only when another player makes a mistake and undocks in an overloaded hauler or blinged out ship is it even possible. CCP always intended you to be at risk in highsec, and always intended for you to be able to attack another player if you were willing to accept the consequences. Everything is working as intended. The only problem here, and it isn't probably one worth discussing, is that the OP is playing the wrong game. He is not willing to accept loss in his gaming experience, either from suicide gankers or from a changing market that has devalued his battleship. He probably should just move on and let us all get back to playing in our competitive PvP sandbox together.
im looking at the concord numbers as we speak i copied over the zkill stats to an exell cheat quite intresting really.
yea ppl will cry over all sorts of things and they will have opinions. ever since 2013 the number os concord kills in HS has been dropping akording the the zkill data so i guess ill have to amend my own opinions to better suite the facts in this case. i would love to do this on crest data straght from ccp if possible tho :) |
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18669
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Posted - 2017.02.23 13:06:14 -
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Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:Black Pedro wrote:Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:i see your point. the numbers are at or near 2012 -2011 numbers but an all time low i would say no to.
I don't have the numbers to say that, and yes, suicide ganking rates were probably lower early on immediately after CONCORD was made invincible and and for freighters, before they even dropped loot, but there is no evidence that suicide ganking is increasing, out of control, or even a problem which is the usual carebear narrative. CCP Quant's numbers show that total destruction (from all sources, not just suicide ganking) makes up less than 0.1% of all goods transported in highsec, and ganking of barges shows a similar decrease in recent years, which is off true all time lows in 2012 when Dr. Eyjo reported that Exhumers were blowing up at "historically low rates" ( pg. 104). Highsec is extremely safe. CCP has buffed safety so much it is near impossible to make a living as a pirate there. The cost to attack is so high, only when another player makes a mistake and undocks in an overloaded hauler or blinged out ship is it even possible. CCP always intended you to be at risk in highsec, and always intended for you to be able to attack another player if you were willing to accept the consequences. Everything is working as intended. The only problem here, and it isn't probably one worth discussing, is that the OP is playing the wrong game. He is not willing to accept loss in his gaming experience, either from suicide gankers or from a changing market that has devalued his battleship. He probably should just move on and let us all get back to playing in our competitive PvP sandbox together. im looking at the concord numbers as we speak i copied over the zkill stats to an exell cheat quite intresting really. yea ppl will cry over all sorts of things and they will have opinions. ever since 2013 the number os concord kills in HS has been dropping akording the the zkill data so i guess ill have to amend my own opinions to better suite the facts in this case. i would love to do this on crest data straght from ccp if possible tho :)
You also need to factor in the rise of the catalyst and the increases in the EHP of the victims. Fewer ships are getting stomped by concord while at the same time more gank ships are required per kill. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
27744
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Posted - 2017.02.23 13:10:33 -
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Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:yea id need to get the data from ccp on howmany gatejumps are done by freaighters each day and then correlate that with how many freighters get ganked each day. then do that for all ship types in eve in HS.
i have acual research projects going on atm but if i ever get bored with those i might look into this.
https://zkillboard.com/group/513/ this coulld be a basis for an intresting basis for statistics one where ppl loose frieghters. You'll need to filter out wardec kills and other situations where Concord don't kill the attackers shortly afterwards.
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Wolfgang Jannesen
The Evesploratory Society
64
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Posted - 2017.02.23 13:10:41 -
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This is an over glorified complaint thread, ganking is not a gameplay issue, the ships you do it in are not a gameplay issue, the economy in EVE will survive in one way or another. |
Malcorath Sacerdos
Rogue Meddlers
45
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Posted - 2017.02.23 13:13:01 -
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baltec1 wrote:Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:Black Pedro wrote:Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:i see your point. the numbers are at or near 2012 -2011 numbers but an all time low i would say no to.
I don't have the numbers to say that, and yes, suicide ganking rates were probably lower early on immediately after CONCORD was made invincible and and for freighters, before they even dropped loot, but there is no evidence that suicide ganking is increasing, out of control, or even a problem which is the usual carebear narrative. CCP Quant's numbers show that total destruction (from all sources, not just suicide ganking) makes up less than 0.1% of all goods transported in highsec, and ganking of barges shows a similar decrease in recent years, which is off true all time lows in 2012 when Dr. Eyjo reported that Exhumers were blowing up at "historically low rates" ( pg. 104). Highsec is extremely safe. CCP has buffed safety so much it is near impossible to make a living as a pirate there. The cost to attack is so high, only when another player makes a mistake and undocks in an overloaded hauler or blinged out ship is it even possible. CCP always intended you to be at risk in highsec, and always intended for you to be able to attack another player if you were willing to accept the consequences. Everything is working as intended. The only problem here, and it isn't probably one worth discussing, is that the OP is playing the wrong game. He is not willing to accept loss in his gaming experience, either from suicide gankers or from a changing market that has devalued his battleship. He probably should just move on and let us all get back to playing in our competitive PvP sandbox together. im looking at the concord numbers as we speak i copied over the zkill stats to an exell cheat quite intresting really. yea ppl will cry over all sorts of things and they will have opinions. ever since 2013 the number os concord kills in HS has been dropping akording the the zkill data so i guess ill have to amend my own opinions to better suite the facts in this case. i would love to do this on crest data straght from ccp if possible tho :) You also need to factor in the rise of the catalyst and the increases in the EHP of the victims. Fewer ships are getting stomped by concord while at the same time more gank ships are required per kill.
indeed there is alot to take into acount. and alot needs to be correlated |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
15224
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Posted - 2017.02.23 13:59:16 -
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Well, this has turned into you standard General Discussion thread.
Step one: Some overly emotional poster with a huge (and I mean HUGE) emotional chip on his/her shoulder posts some only semi-coherent BS built on biased ideas with not one shred of actual evidence.
Step two: Other posters show up and refute the OPs nonsense, complete with links to actual data and evidence (enough of it in fact to actuall win a Civil lawsuit in most courts of law)
Step three: Backfire Effect happens and the OP is somehow assured that the BS they already beleive is more true now than before they posted, else "why would all of these gankers have showed up to argue". Sidenote, even if you aren't a ganker and don't like gankig, you are a "ganker" for the OP's purposes...
Yea, I find it all funny. That some probably grown person, probably a dude, who is terribly upset is sitting right now in fromt of some kind of computer typing FURIOUSLY about how terrible it is that some other probably grown probably male person is also sitting in front of a computer playing a video game within the well and long established rules of that game. How dare someone play within the rules!!!
And all this instead of simply not playing a game that has rules that allow behavior you don't like. In plain English, if you don't like (or cannot tolerate) "ganking" among other things that have been allowed since DAY freaking ONE, 14 years ago, choosing to play EVE Online marks one as a dumbass.
I simply can't fathom the level of mental instability one would have to have to upset about any of this... |
lilol' me
Retribution Holdings Corp Retribution.
69
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Posted - 2017.02.23 14:01:33 -
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baltec1 wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:lilol' me wrote:funny thing is 0.0 is safer than highsec... the carebears and ultimately the problem is nullsec not highsec. the problem with people whining about highsec is from useless pvpers who want easy kills. this So why does every survey find that highsec has less killed per head of population and null eats up the vast bulk of destruction?
because of large fleet fights mainly. doesnt mean there isnt a vast amount of carebearing if which the stats clearly show too. look at drone lands for example but its nullsec full stop
oh true story i saw yesterday literally 50 large t1 and t2 bubbles on a gate both sidea to stop people hassling carebears.. crazy eh.. cant do that in highsec |
Infinity Ziona
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2527
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Posted - 2017.02.23 14:35:13 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:industrials, freighters, orcas (not that they are easally ganked anymore), blinged out ship of everytype. you get what i am aiming at right ? A quick look at the CONCORD kill data shows that not to be the case. At least as far back as I trust the killboard data (end of 2012 when the API was implemented), there has been a continual downward trend in the number of CONCORD kills. In fact, CONCORD is only killing about half the number of ships they were 4-5 years ago. You can easily see that in a chart of the above numbers: https://puu.sh/ugdOo/9fc9e9d60f.png All evidence says suicide ganking is at or near all time lows. Which makes total sense, given highsec safety is at an all-time high after years of continual and near constant buffing. Reason for that is simple - you can now gank freighters with 10ish ships (torp bombers) + a couple of select tank ships after draghing concord off the gate, instead of 30 cats. That should apply to smaller hulls too.
In other news any data or research provided by Baltec or Tippia needs to be double, triple and quadruple checked because its extremely easy to collect data in a biased manner.
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5734
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Posted - 2017.02.23 14:44:46 -
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Station spinning. It's the only risk-free PvE activity left.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
27744
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Posted - 2017.02.23 14:57:52 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Reason for that is simple - you can now gank freighters with 10ish ships (torp bombers) + a couple of select tank ships after draghing concord off the gate, instead of 30 cats. That should apply to smaller hulls too. That hasn't changed, Catalysts are/were more common because they don't require a large SP investment, and give a good bang for buck.
Quote:In other news any data or research provided by Baltec or Tippia needs to be double, triple and quadruple checked because its extremely easy to collect data in a biased manner. Baltec1 uses publicly available data to back up his claims, he may not share his data set or his analysis methods, but he'll show where it came from. You on the other hand throw tantrums and/or ragequit when people call you out on your lack of data.
FYI Tippia no longer plays so is unlikely to be collating data biased or otherwise.
Quote:In other news Im still the best EvE player in history cheers In your opinion maybe, everybody else knows that you're just a special snowflake with a massive chip on their shoulder and an ego to match.
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5735
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Posted - 2017.02.23 15:13:50 -
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Is ganking good for EVE? Probably not? It would be interesting to see the criminal safety removed from high-sec and CONCORD permanently moved to low-sec. This could be offset with an overhaul to wardec mechanics, NPC corporations and the bounty system. You could also make active missions warpable beacons to encourage more player interaction.
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