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Martin Gore	Posted - 2007.04.27 14:56:00 - [1] Come on CCP, I'm getting RSI in the wrist from having to constantly control my drones. I've sunk so many skill points into drones as I love them...but they nevr do what they are told!
Ma'Kur Pridar Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.04.27 14:57:00 - [2] Ive never had a problem with them.
DarkFenix Caldari Pilots Of Honour	Posted - 2007.04.27 14:59:00 - [3] CCP heard this complaint the first time. They also heard it the second time, and the following million times on this forum. Same goes for the mods. Same goes for every other person who is sick of the same thread appearing day after day. Bottom line? CCP KNOW! They have specifically said they are working on Drone AI. You can all shut up now.
ns10	Posted - 2007.04.27 15:01:00 - [4] And yet after 4 years...they are still not fixed! Target npc Drones attack npc 3 drones decide to do something else Rinse and repeat
Biggess Boobess	Posted - 2007.04.27 15:01:00 - [5] Edited by: Biggess Boobess on 27/04/2007 14:58:15 Originally by: DarkFenix CCP heard this complaint the first time. They also heard it the second time, and the following million times on this forum. Same goes for the mods. Same goes for every other person who is sick of the same thread appearing day after day. Bottom line? CCP KNOW! They have specifically said they are working on Drone AI. You can all shut up now. Yet still you read the thread and reply. If CCP know about the problem, why is it not getting fixed? or where is the official "we are fixing this" statement?
Brutor Shaun Minmatar Freelancers UK Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.27 15:03:00 - [6] Follow the link in my sig Drone Love - My skills
bigfatbird Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.27 15:08:00 - [7] Originally by: DarkFenix CCP heard this complaint the first time. They also heard it the second time, and the following million times on this forum. Same goes for the mods. Same goes for every other person who is sick of the same thread appearing day after day. Bottom line? CCP KNOW! They have specifically said they are working on Drone AI. You can all shut up now. They said that they would know of this problem since I started to play the game. So you shut the **** up.
DarkFenix Caldari Pilots Of Honour	Posted - 2007.04.27 15:12:00 - [8] Ooooh looks like I struck a nerve. Would a hug help? Poor little kiddie.
Cute SpyGirl	Posted - 2007.04.27 15:23:00 - [9] go bash each other Pvpers... go go gadget go!! I didn't know drone is broken. -Cute
Gladia Horusthu Gallente Anything Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.27 15:37:00 - [10] It's how drones have always behaved, at this point I don't think they can be considered "broken." I consider their petulance and misbehaving as the price of their utility, which has always been very high. I look at it like this: they are like extra appendages. Fighting with drones is like tossing darts with your off-hand, you're gonna be missing a lot. In this case, practice doesn't improve the situation much, but remember that when you have 5 drones out you are essentially controlling 6 ships of varying complexity, often involved in different tasks. You have to continually refocus to keep everything on track.
Portios Smith DNR Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.27 16:27:00 - [11] Warrior IIs capable of going over 5km/s unable to catch up to your Dominix going 140m/s is by far the most stupid problem with drones. you can issue an "engage target" again to make your drones hit who you want. No ammount of "return to drone bay" commands will get that Warrior II on your bay once it drops to slime speed. This sig was made for hijack - Timmeh I am getting tha nerf bat and the mods wont stay out of my sig :(
Gladia Horusthu Gallente Anything Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.27 18:45:00 - [12] Originally by: Portios Smith Warrior IIs capable of going over 5km/s unable to catch up to your Dominix going 140m/s is by far the most stupid problem with drones. you can issue an "engage target" again to make your drones hit who you want. No ammount of "return to drone bay" commands will get that Warrior II on your bay once it drops to slime speed. Here's a workaround I've found though. If there's nothing right next to you, drop a can. Target can, have drones engage it, tell them several times. Drones MWD to the can, you can scoop from there Not the fix from CCP that everyone wants, but it has worked for me since it first started bugging me.
Damon Ra Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.27 18:52:00 - [13] Edited by: Damon Ra on 27/04/2007 18:50:30 (taken from the recent dev chat) Originally by: Hammerhead I know this is a huge issue amongst players and I agree with it. I've got my own ideas how I'd like to change it. It's currently not slated for Revelations 2.0 just because everybodyÆs schedules are already booked, but it's definitely something I want to clean up because I just think we can do better. I'd like to see all kinds of changes to the Drone AI. So yes that is somewhere on the top of the priority lists, it's just not a feature that is coming in Revelations 2.0, but I'm promising that we will do something to improve how you work with drones and how drones behave. So, it would seem from this statement that sometime after Revelations 2.0 comes out they will look into drone fixes. Maybe drones will be able to walk in stations with us by then too.
Dzajic Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.27 19:22:00 - [14] Yes, its bean stated, no drone fixes untill after rev 2.0. So, maybe, just maybe, if we are very luckey, they might try and fix drones by end of 2008. Yey! Now what were the skills for Raven?
DeadProphet Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.04.27 19:57:00 - [15] i'll be honest, i'm not having more problems post rev than pre. shrugs
DrCous Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.04.27 20:59:00 - [16] CCP, we don't ask for a full overhaul of the drone code (yet) done by tomorrow. An incremental fix for engaging target and mwd back to drone bay wouldn't be too much asked?
Cleopatrra Gallente Swag Co. Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.04.27 20:59:00 - [17] I my self have gotten so fead up with them I no longer refer to them as DRONES. They now are my beloved morons. Hell at least DRONES would do nothing but what you told them. Morons do what ever they want. Swag Co.We Build the stuff you Steal
Bellannaer	Posted - 2007.04.27 22:01:00 - [18] Originally by: Cleopatrra I my self have gotten so fead up with them I no longer refer to them as DRONES. They now are my beloved morons. Hell at least DRONES would do nothing but what you told them. Morons do what ever they want. QFT
Skunrah Native Freshfood	Posted - 2007.04.27 22:44:00 - [19] Drones have been broken for a long, long time. Statements like 'we are working on it' 6 months ago dont really cut it. I've filed multiple petitions in the last year about drones. Basically, its getting pretty stupid. Skunrah
Mister Zero Synergy Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.27 22:53:00 - [20] Hello, We are sorry to hear about your ship loss. Unfortunately we are unable to reimburse the ship as our server-side logs do not indicate that a bug/error within the game or a server related problem was the reason for your loss. This does not mean that we doubt your description of events in any way but I'm afraid it keeps our hands tied in regards to reimbursement. Our reimbursement policies are very strict and we can only reimburse if we are able to verify that a bug or server error caused the loss. We hope that you understand our position and that you will recover swiftly from the loss. Best regards, GM Broken Record
Ja'kar Templar Securities and Holdings	Posted - 2007.04.27 23:01:00 - [21] Wellcome to eve - takes about 2 years to do somenthing or it nerfed , fixed , nerfed etc etc
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.27 23:58:00 - [22] Originally by: Ja'kar Wellcome to eve - takes about 2 years to do somenthing or it nerfed , fixed , nerfed etc etc Bollox, the Privateer nerf only took a few months.
Hannobaal Gallente Utopian Frontier	Posted - 2007.04.28 00:05:00 - [23] Never had a real problem with them. Sometimes you have to give an order twice, yeah. But that's not really a major inconvenience. ------------------ "If you ever need anything, please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first."
SeerinDarkness Minmatar Equinox Eternal Enterprises	Posted - 2007.04.28 00:56:00 - [24] better yet why rely on some dog brained drone to do all your work for you just because u have a huge dronebay dosent mean it should be your only attack option,personally i wishe they would just delet all drones and drone plex's for the sake of playability and give us more cargo room and compinsate the gallente w launcher slots, this would also mean more people would ahve to PLAY together to do missions and things more instead of people being able to solo insane lvl 3 and lvl4 missions and the rest of it keep the fighters for motherships and carriers but get rid of flunky drones.
Bull61 The Renegade Industries	Posted - 2007.04.28 03:23:00 - [25] Yes, they're retarded but they're still my precious children.
Lucky Lynn	Posted - 2007.04.28 05:16:00 - [26] I am really curious about this. I have never had any problems with drones. Would anyone mind FRAPSing this problem. Please. I really would like to see what the problem is. I promise I wont laugh.
Kahrek Laume Gallente Mirage Industries	Posted - 2007.04.28 05:27:00 - [27] Originally by: Lucky Lynn I am really curious about this. I have never had any problems with drones. Would anyone mind FRAPSing this problem. Please. I really would like to see what the problem is. I promise I wont laugh. Well Lucky Lynn i don't have a fraps but in perfect example, yesterday night in Amamake i sent a healthy 13 Inherji (fighters) after a target near a gate which kindly oblidged me and went pop, but when recalling the fighters to me (A mere 18 km away) they come back at sub MWD speed (About 500m/s) all the while the sentries are firing at them. End result, i lost a 18mil fighter (Since i can't rep 2 at a time) and it takes like 30 seconds to recall them from less than 20km away. Sure you can drop a jetcan and order them to attack it but you can only do that once per 3 minutes roughly. (Before you go and tell me i am an idiot for using fighters at a gate... i know but i really wanted to finaly see someone blow up that night :) Bottom line is drones do not behave in a reliable fashion they get "confused" and sometimes hover about 1600m away from your ship refusing to come back to the bay no matter how much you tell them to, only solution is to either close in on the drone yourself or order it to attack a target then order it back, pretty annoying losing a 1 to 3 mil drone in a mission due to that, even more annoying to lose an 18 mil fighter.
Lucky Lynn	Posted - 2007.04.28 05:53:00 - [28] Edited by: Lucky Lynn on 28/04/2007 05:50:08 Originally by: Kahrek Laume Originally by: Lucky Lynn I am really curious about this. I have never had any problems with drones. Would anyone mind FRAPSing this problem. Please. I really would like to see what the problem is. I promise I wont laugh. Well Lucky Lynn i don't have a fraps but in perfect example, yesterday night in Amamake i sent a healthy 13 Inherji (fighters) after a target near a gate which kindly oblidged me and went pop, but when recalling the fighters to me (A mere 18 km away) they come back at sub MWD speed (About 500m/s) all the while the sentries are firing at them. End result, i lost a 18mil fighter (Since i can't rep 2 at a time) and it takes like 30 seconds to recall them from less than 20km away. Sure you can drop a jetcan and order them to attack it but you can only do that once per 3 minutes roughly. (Before you go and tell me i am an idiot for using fighters at a gate... i know but i really wanted to finaly see someone blow up that night :) Bottom line is drones do not behave in a reliable fashion they get "confused" and sometimes hover about 1600m away from your ship refusing to come back to the bay no matter how much you tell them to, only solution is to either close in on the drone yourself or order it to attack a target then order it back, pretty annoying losing a 1 to 3 mil drone in a mission due to that, even more annoying to lose an 18 mil fighter. And your drone durabilty skill level is? Was the fighter already taking hull damage when you recalled it? Did you not know that sentries shoot drones? Do you open drones in space after you field yours drones to monitor their damage if any? TBH I have never had a problem myself with my Drones MWDing. When I command them to return and orbit or return to drone bay they always do without fault. Even with heavy armor damage. Usually, heavy hull damage is when my drones act up. Which is completely understandable. What I think is that so many have skilled their drone skills but haven't mastered how to use them. P.S. I personally absoluty glad to use drones in Missions or other DeadSpace. Being that the drones can MWD in DeadSpace and I can't.
Ker Ching	Posted - 2007.04.28 06:15:00 - [29] What a lot of people seem to forget is that drones/fighters are a weapons system. How would a projectiles user like the following scenario:- 1. Enter combat area. Wait for agro. (If you don't your guns will get targeted) 2. Open gun bay 3. Select the guns you want to use. 4. Deploy guns 5. Choose target for guns and wait. 6. Deploying guns has agro'd everything in the area. Recover guns (they're taking damage) 7. Wait for guns to get back (some might not make it) 8. Goto 3 Anyway, as I've said, this is discussed to death in the thread in my sig. It gets ignored too. It even got moved from this forum for being off topic!
Brutor Shaun Minmatar Freelancers UK Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 06:16:00 - [30] Originally by: Ker Ching What a lot of people seem to forget is that drones/fighters are a weapons system. How would a projectiles user like the following scenario:- 1. Enter combat area. Wait for agro. (If you don't your guns will get targeted) 2. Open gun bay 3. Select the guns you want to use. 4. Deploy guns 5. Choose target for guns and wait. 6. Deploying guns has agro'd everything in the area. Recover guns (they're taking damage) 7. Wait for guns to get back (some might not make it) 8. Goto 3 Anyway, as I've said, this is discussed to death in the thread in my sig. It gets ignored too. It even got moved from this forum for being off topic! Sorry. Alt post. Drone Love - My skills
Lucky Lynn	Posted - 2007.04.28 06:29:00 - [31] Edited by: Lucky Lynn on 28/04/2007 06:32:56 Yes drones are a weapon system undeniably. I just read you post in your sig "Drone Love" In there you compared drones to turrets. Well I hate to brake it to you but turrets are confined to your ship. The effectiveness of you turrets is dependent on you ability to absolutely control your ship and maintain it for optimal effect of your turrets. Which essentially means you have to pay 100% attention to your piloting. Would it make you feel better if someone shot at my turrets rather than my ship( Oh wait they do because my turrets are in my ship So my ship takes the damage rather than my turrets). Drone users get big drone bays to balance this particular issue. While your drones are taking damage you ship isn't and you have the option of launching new drones (weapons). So pay 100% attention to your drones just like turret users pay 100% attantion to their ships.
Kahrek Laume Gallente Mirage Industries	Posted - 2007.04.28 07:26:00 - [32] Originally by: Lucky Lynn And your drone durabilty skill level is? Was the fighter already taking hull damage when you recalled it? Did you not know that sentries shoot drones? Do you open drones in space after you field yours drones to monitor their damage if any? TBH I have never had a problem myself with my Drones MWDing. When I command them to return and orbit or return to drone bay they always do without fault. Even with heavy armor damage. Usually, heavy hull damage is when my drones act up. Which is completely understandable. What I think is that so many have skilled their drone skills but haven't mastered how to use them. P.S. I personally absoluty glad to use drones in Missions or other DeadSpace. Being that the drones can MWD in DeadSpace and I can't. And before you comment. I clear whole 0.0 exploration sites using soley 4x Hammerhead II. Some take about an hour to an hour and half. But most are done pretty damn quick providing. Also, sometimes I may lose one. But so far I've only lost one in a site before I clear it. My drone durability is at 4 prettymuch like anybody else who uses drones but that is inconsequential to fighters to my knowledge, second the fighters not MWDing back to you is a well known issue with all fighters not one that affects drones but one that greatly annoys carrier pilots. I doubt i would be in a drone boat if i did not know that sentries can shoot drones yes i take a look at the drone list (Notice i mentioned my inability to repair 2 drones at a time in my post) If you want specifics sentries will not kill a fighter on a single 30 second cycle (But if both get on the same one they will) so while i was repping one of them both sentries hit up another i had not targeted and made it go boom, something that would never have happened if the drone / fighter AI was fixed and they had MWDed back to my carrier. You have never had the bug where drones when recalled will hover just out of the 1500 mark and not come closer? Never send out drones very far and after about 20 seconds of heading towards the target they will randomly lose interest and go for other targets and have to order them back on the first target? You are one hell of a lucky person. About the losing drones probems that is more prevalent in missions where some NPC aggro drones specificaly, being unable to recall your nifty hammerhead II when it it being targeted by a couple of interceptors reall is somewhat of a problem, still don't lose them often but even an occasional loss due to a bug needs to be adressed. The overall trend of comparing weapons emplacement on ships really is moot, they are not the same thing but for the sake of comparison say you fire 4 torpedoes at a target 60km away and at the 50km mark 2 of them sudenly decide to go and hit something else at random, kinda annoying. Of if you where busy getting your pew pew on and suddenly two of your guns started performing some weird mating ritual and you had to tell one to fire at something else then fire back at the first target again so they stoped trying to do the matress dance instead of shooting thing. Weapon mounts and drones are 2 different things each with their perks and problems but buggy AI should not figure into the balance equation. Kahrek Laume. P.S. I am still waiting for CCP to implement a faction or even navy dominix. (This part is a gratuitous whine, ignore it)

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