Personally, i think there should be a system that makes it harder to cope with Concord in high sec the more you gank and the more your sec status drops. Sure, the first gank should be like it is now with the 15 minutes Concord timer and the normal reaction time for Concord.

But the next / 2nd gank you do in high sec will increase that timer to 1 hour where Concord will be even faster on getting you because Concord see you as a more threat over what you was the first time.

If you do the 3rd gank. That timer will go up to like 6 hours where Concord pretty much will try to kill you really fast (it will be fast but still possible to fly from a station to a gate in a fast frig and jump out right away before you get killed by Concord) in high sec if they see you if you are in high sec within that 6 hours timer, as Concord now will see you as the highest threat.

If you do the 4th gank within a day, you will then be completely locked out from high sec for 24 hours. Within that time, you will have the oppoturnity to fix your sec status by carebearing it up or even buying sec status tags (with an alt or something) so Concord wont whoop your ass because of your pretty bad security status.

Yes, this is all about risk vs reward. If you want a good reward, you have to risk alot of things. But as the system is now, the only thing you have to risk is 15 minutes of waiting for the Concord timer to run out. And that's pretty dumb in my opinion as it should be way more risk involved in ganking more and more players in high sec.

TLDR: Make Concord way harsher against gankers the more they gank. It's a simple system that works.

It seems that you don't understand what i'm talking about here. I haven't been talking anything about how the gankers will adapt and all of that. All i have said is that the more they gank, the more Concord will hunt after the actual ganker, like in real life if you goes around stealing stuffs. The more you streal, the more the police will be on your ass busting you.

And to the other things you said. The reason i want ganking to be harder is because being a criminal is something you are not supposed to be, specially not all the time without massive consequences. If you are a criminal in real life, you wont be able to do those crimes for many times before you are busted by the police anyways where you wont be able to do those crimes for a long time again.

And why should the gankers have it more easy to do ganking over the freighter pilots doing freighter runs in high sec?

Again, all that is needed to stop a whole freighter run is a single Machariel. Is that fair towards the freighter pilots when the others peoples have no direct tools to stop a gank fest to stop?

Yes, why should you be able to easily stop a freighter or kill it when we others can't do that towards the gankers before it's to late?

@Erich Einstein
You are trying to "hit" guys with a good arguments, but they are made from empty brick...
I feel sorry for your tryings as I take your ideas as mine own;

Actual ganking system is outdated and with changes what CCP did already it's broken...

So far all known updates are to make ganking easier:
- Security status can be fixed with tags;
- U can make Alpha account;
- U just need to wait 15 minutes for another Gankl
- Concord respond even in 0.9 system is SLOW as ****...

Not sure where you get your idea from that we want outlaws banned from high sec from.

It doesn't. How will a harsher police ban outlaws from high sec?

instantly webbing and warp-disrupting while CONCORD (edit: Faction Police) moves in.

There is "while"

Dependent on how much crimes you have done before and what your sec status is before you jump into that high sec system.

Again, if you want to have it more easy in high sec, then limit your crimes and fix your sec status. All tools are available to do that.

Just go back burn to gate ;) as you always says to your preys =)

Are we talking about the action we do in high sec or low sec?

Low sec and 0.0 space stays the same. We are again talking about the crimes you do in high sec.

Get it?

No it doesn't. How exactly does it nerf them for letting them get harsher punishment the more crimes they do?

Maybe you should explain in details on why it will be a nerf?

instantly webbing and warp-disrupting while CONCORD (edit: Faction Police) moves in.

Again, why are you bringing in 'instantly webbing and warp-disrupting while CONCORD (edit: Faction Police) moves in.' when that has only to do with your sec status?.

Stop Trolling.... The OP clearly states that you manage your security status properly and you can do whatever you want in highsec. I know you dont like hearing that someone wants to take your free lunch away but an infinite isk grab is bad for the game.

Then work to fix the sec status then so you don't lose that ability. It's not rocket scientist stuffs we are talking about here.

out of control ganking teams in Jita

KarmaFleet
Gimme Da Loot
Kusion - moved from Uedama recently. Not sure if its permanent but he runs out of here a lot now.
etc

See their zkillboard isk destroyed vs isk lost.

Im only taking into account those near Jita. Not sure of any major operations near Amarr or elsewhere.

Jita V - Moon 17 station - Feel free to jump in-game and follow them around for a day.

I want to note that many have mistaken this as a temporary burn jita event but zkill will quickly show that is false.

Well I did give Kusion a really hard time in Uedama - twitch.tv/agsperry/videos/all/. I took like 95% (check zkill) of all his isk in a three day period and then he took a few months off after that.

These gankers also seem to be coming together in Jita V - Moon 17 and working as a large fleet to focusing exclusively on freighters. You can still see poddington and others going after miners occasionally but there is a good amount of them sitting idle in station when to many of them are online. (No need to lose any more ships than you have too.)

I wish I had a concrete answer for you but Kusion taking a few months off will definitely lower that statistic.

The graph is meaningless in understanding how ganking has been trending in EVE. There are a number of factors that go into making those numbers what they are. The simple fact that you dont understand that a decrease in players on the sever since 2013 would very-likely also cause a decrease in CONCORD kill numbers shows that you dont know how to analyze data properly. If server numbers and CONCORD kills decrease at the same rate over the years, it is actually very likely that ganking numbers are remaining constant or roughly the same.

I have listened to other people's stances and updated the OP to take into consideration those who have made fair points. If you would like to contribute something meaningful that improves the OP then by all mean I am happy to discuss those things with you.

What i'm not going to do is junk my thread by running off on a tangent that has no intention of constructively improving the OP. CCP's forum rules are clear in stating that threads should remain as clean and polished as possible.

WTF really? and where have you been from the last xxx of pages?

OK we already know that yours (as ganger) only argument against ideas in this thread are:

"Cause we like it like it is"

and

"Pilots (which can't run away from a gang) are just an idiots if they fly with 10b of cargo"
Well even a webber won' safe them but fck it! who cares about them? We still want to have a fun;

Fck that "risk vs rewards" system;
We still want a REWARD with no risk! (i still blame that freighter pilots as it theirs fualt.

(ironic off);
Damn... wood....wood is everywhere..

No reason? We gave u already a LOT of reasons;

It won't be easy for you so go figure it out by yourself - page by page :)

You should get it more like "there is many and you are too lazy to check it out by yourself"
So im not gonna make it a sweat for you;

I has been answered several times that it's not a nerf, but a balance.

You haven't even explained why it's is a nerf other than saying 'boohoo, it will be more work to gank the more you do it'.

Not only that, criminals who are in high sec breaking the rules are SUPPOSED to work way harder to break the rules over what the law abiding players in high sec do.

So, do you have a very good explanation on why freighters can't be used as their intended usage of transporting alot of things worth alot of isk when they are going in an infinite death trap loop once they undock, just because they are carrying things that are worth alot which is their whole point?

Because they will get killed by gankers if it's worth enough no matter what ship it is if the gankers goes for it. So it's a denial of their playing just because they can't do their job of being an effective freighter pilot transporting alot of stuffs in the cargohold they have got in their ships, just because the gankers says so and because they can.

No, i'm stating the hard facts on how easy it is to do ganking as explained over. You just warp to the target from somewhere, press F1, warps back to station in a pod. Fits up a new ship that takes 10 seconds and undock, then it's rince and repeat. This is not opinion on how that's done, because that's exactly how it is done for the actual gankers.

It's a fact that the current system treats you as a criminal as 'you are a naught boy for 15 minutes' and that's pretty much it. Doing a criminal act of ganking should gain you way more penalties than just being a naughty boy for 15 mins.

We all know this... you are not educating anyone here. This has been talked about already. Trolling it doesnt make it more important. You know there are 50 pages of content right.

I know how fast that ship is. I fly a Machariel as a daily basis when i'm in PVP ops and so on.

Care to prove that?

So now freighters need two webs ... next its will be three webs and a fleet for protection.

Yeah, and when I get ganked still .... You shouldnt have put all your webs on one ships right....

Did you know that a bumping Machariel can use several tries to bump a freighter by just following him for several jumps hoping to land more nearer him when he uncloaks?

And if you land 4km from him when he uncloaks, it's game over for him no matter how many webbers or alts you have with you to protect him.

So again, a Machariel is all that's needed to ruin a freighter pilot for doing his job. And when you also takes into consideration on how many Machariels there are out there, then yeah, it's a mess for the freighter pilots.

Oh, so it's actually more easy afterall to gank as they don't even have to go after the freighters for some jumps to have a better chance of getting them?

Thanks for confirming it's easy to complete a gank.

But the fact that this is also possible says something to. And specially as you say that they don't even have to follow freighters for some jumps to get them that way tells us all that it is in fact pretty easy to do the ganks.

Again, you barely have to do any works at all to catch a freighter and gank it. It's wrong when you takes into the massive gains you get for doing that for little to nothing work and no risks what so ever.

No one is talking about making you do lesser ganks.

If you follow a freighter from Perimeter / Jita to a 0.6 sec system 3 jumps away, you will have a much higher chance of completeing the gank as you are in a system with lower sec status that means lower Concord response time.

So yes, i do know how system security works bro.

And just because it's a low chance of it happening (with the Phoenix example over), shouldn't prevent the game from working better for everyone when it actually happens. Just because there might be a low chance of something happening, shouldn't prevent CCP from improving small bits of EVE here and there.

Oh yeah it's safe right..

BTW ganking is so much efficient that ppl even work at 11 accounts to gank ships:
Bowhead down
Obelisk down
Charon down

All of that in one single day;

3.2B items dropped;

15 ships destroyed in uedama from a single "player"

If you think it's normal ... go for a treatment.

AND btw - how do you think, how much that freigher pilot earn by a single trip - 100 mil?
That means how many trips he have to do to repay for his ship, 10-20?
How long it'll take - month?

Well i'm not a pussy to abuse a game mechanic (webbing a freighter is using a game mechanic for your favor - as it's an exploit)

Problem is still a Gangers which got at last NO enough punishment for their crimes;

Is that really a bet? It's part of the definition of carebear to be utterly clueless about game mechanics isn't it.

May as well bet if the sky is blue.

I've witnessed the effect, but never thought about it actually being studied.

Pretty terrifying, really.

Where is the evidence that the current system is unbalanced? This is what we want to see, and what the OP, NightmareX and yourself have so far failed to produce.