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Demonus	Posted - 2003.12.31 21:50:00 - [1] I hear since the new patch that gate camping isn¦t working. Well, have u gate campers ever tried to make it work again? I think not. I made it with my omen through Hed 2 times at the same day without seeing any campers. But i saw 3 or more in local. None of them responded to my "hi", just trying to show a presence. I thought about the camp problem and found some new ways of camping that no patch could stop. I give u guys a hint: Large smartbombs. And for the guys trying to block Hed: why don¦t u try to block the gates into YOUR alliance space and not the route in between thats neutral?!?
Jarjar	Posted - 2003.12.31 21:57:00 - [2] Camping problems? Way less than before the patch anyway.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2003.12.31 21:58:00 - [3] Gate campers are out there and working. I've run a few blockades. They tend to sit 60km out and bash the snot out of you with really big guns. One blockade I ran they managed to knock out my shileds completely and just got into armor before I made the gate. No biggie for me but if I spent another 10-15 seconds there I doubt I would have survived. One system I went through last night listed 17 ships killed in the previous hour. They are getting somebody and I doubt it is all n00bs wandering where they shouldn't yet.
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2003.12.31 22:00:00 - [4] Quote: And for the guys trying to block Hed: why don¦t u try to block the gates into YOUR alliance space and not the route in between thats neutral?!? Not enough traffic = not enough things to kill = not enough fun. _______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age."
Marichek	Posted - 2003.12.31 22:01:00 - [5] Quote: I hear since the new patch that gate camping isn¦t working. Well, have u gate campers ever tried to make it work again? I think not. I made it with my omen through Hed 2 times at the same day without seeing any campers. But i saw 3 or more in local. None of them responded to my "hi", just trying to show a presence. I thought about the camp problem and found some new ways of camping that no patch could stop. I give u guys a hint: Large smartbombs. And for the guys trying to block Hed: why don¦t u try to block the gates into YOUR alliance space and not the route in between thats neutral?!? wow, you made it through the same system twice in one day without seeing campers? well that OBVIOUSLY means that people have given up gate camping altogether, then. good work on this, we will be presenting you with one unit of veldspar promptly. DannyThe Great > i have an urge to kill anyone who isnt in my corp and has a smaller ship.
Hellspawn01	Posted - 2003.12.31 22:25:00 - [6] Edited by: Hellspawn01 on 31/12/2003 22:27:42 A unit of ark may help a small wallet more :) --------------------------------------------- Eve is not game, it¦s a way of life!
Leitari	Posted - 2003.12.31 22:28:00 - [7] Gate Camping: Well, Its easier to camp now, you just need coordination for it and manpower. The problem however is finding the right spot thats acceptable in terms of risk and benefits. At the moment such places are only a handfull. We have expressed our views on these matters and have been ignored, thus many of us have cancelled their accounts and are leaving this game for the time beeing. Here, Only the silent survive.
Drethen Nerevitas	Posted - 2003.12.31 22:38:00 - [8] <---Busy finding 60km cruiser loadouts for QTS' small wallet. Personally, I've given up on 0.0 space...pre-patch? Enough traffic. But to quote no-one in particular, now that Castor is in... Quote: There is nothing valuable in 0.0 space, everyone is in empire space. Oh well, guess I won't bother about the hassle of negotiating then... _______________________________________________________________________ *IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.* 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.12.31 22:40:00 - [9] Good, the game don't need to be 50% pirates anyway. Convert Stations
NeoMorph	Posted - 2003.12.31 22:43:00 - [10] I dont know so much... 0.0 is still the place to be if you know what you are doing... I only come back to the edges of empire now and again just to pick up stuff that I can't out in the boonies. I suppose one day I'll come back for a visit but 0.0 is more fun. ------------------------------------------- <Stavros> the first motor bike i ever rode <Stavros> was a honda gold wing <Ak-Gara> hah <Stavros>
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.12.31 22:45:00 - [11] "Gate Camping: Well, Its easier to camp now, you just need coordination for it and manpower. The problem however is finding the right spot thats acceptable in terms of risk and benefits. At the moment such places are only a handfull. We have expressed our views on these matters and have been ignored, thus many of us have cancelled their accounts and are leaving this game for the time beeing." I'm glad to hear this, finally the griefers are being weeded out... "Trust No One"
Kasha	Posted - 2003.12.31 23:04:00 - [12] Edited by: Kasha on 01/01/2004 00:05:57 Edited by: Kasha on 31/12/2003 23:05:16 Quote: I'm glad to hear this, finally the griefers are being weeded out... No dwarf, its the pirates who actually like to RP real pirating that are leaving. The "griefers" (as u call them) who just kill you from 60k away are still here. I hope you are happy.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.12.31 23:06:00 - [13] "No dwarf, its the pirates who actually like to RP real pirating that are leaving. The griefers who just kill you from 60k away are still here. I hope you are happy" In due time... In due time... CCP will eventually fix this problem too. Rome was not built in one day ya know... "Trust No One"
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2003.12.31 23:13:00 - [14] A lot of people are tied up with the holidays, and a substantial block of players are doing agent missions, and ark mining. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2003.12.31 23:21:00 - [15] Quote: In due time... In due time... CCP will eventually fix this problem too. Rome was not built in one day ya know... Warp Inhibitor fields will help the gate campers a lot. They could also use combined unit tactics but I guess no player pirate can bring themselves to dock the Tempest in favor of a frigate...just as well for the rest of us I suppose. There are probably more ways to roleplay being a pirate now than pre-Castor which leads me to believe that most pirates, despite flowery words to the contrary, are 95% all greifers cuz you sure aren't out playing 'highway men'.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.12.31 23:49:00 - [16] Quote: Quote: In due time... In due time... CCP will eventually fix this problem too. Rome was not built in one day ya know... Warp Inhibitor fields will help the gate campers a lot. They could also use combined unit tactics but I guess no player pirate can bring themselves to dock the Tempest in favor of a frigate...just as well for the rest of us I suppose. There are probably more ways to roleplay being a pirate now than pre-Castor which leads me to believe that most pirates, despite flowery words to the contrary, are 95% all greifers cuz you sure aren't out playing 'highway men'. Do you see a Warp inhibitor field on the market? No. Do you see a "Stop the sentry guns from shooting" device on the market? No. Do you see much traffic in 0.0 given the fewer stations, lack of trade good demand and increased difficulty for activities out there? No. Did anyone see this coming before the Castor patch was released? Yes. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Val Amon	Posted - 2003.12.31 23:52:00 - [17] Fix went from 30-60 people average day to like 1-10 at peak times. So yeah, no more gate camping except 60km out in .1-.4 systems cause that's where the people are. _ _ How many pilots does it take to wire a Flux Capacitor? 3, 1 to wire it and 2 to talk about how the old one was better.
Drethen Nerevitas	Posted - 2003.12.31 23:58:00 - [18] Not enough traffic in 0.0 to make gate camping a reasonable trade. C'mon, one indy a night (several hours) is NOT good for buisness. Warp inhibitors? I don't see 'em. Even if I did, I'd think twice and twice again before using them... Hey btw, piracy is shoot to sink. Not toll-like-a-highway-man. So get your facts straight; their is no griefing, only piracy . _______________________________________________________________________ *IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.* 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.01.01 00:13:00 - [19] "Not enough traffic in 0.0 to make gate camping a reasonable trade. C'mon, one indy a night (several hours) is NOT good for buisness. Warp inhibitors? I don't see 'em. Even if I did, I'd think twice and twice again before using them... Hey btw, piracy is shoot to sink. Not toll-like-a-highway-man. So get your facts straight; their is no griefing, only piracy" As I've said from the very beginning, piracy does not belong in empire space, period. It seems that CCP would agree with me on this, hence all the fixes. Now, if we want some form of piracy to occur in 0.4 down to 0.1 fine, but no more silver platter piracy, oh no. Piracy in 0.4 should be just as dangerous for the pirate as travel is for a non-pirate in 0.1... 0.5 and up, piracy is as deadly for pirates as 0.0 space is for non-pirates. So CCP has to find a way to make 0.4-0.1 the gray area of PvP, up to this point they have proven that they don't have an answer. But it's far better for the game that ganking is minimized until they can solve this problem... "Trust No One"
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.01.01 00:19:00 - [20] Quote: "Not enough traffic in 0.0 to make gate camping a reasonable trade. C'mon, one indy a night (several hours) is NOT good for buisness. Warp inhibitors? I don't see 'em. Even if I did, I'd think twice and twice again before using them... Hey btw, piracy is shoot to sink. Not toll-like-a-highway-man. So get your facts straight; their is no griefing, only piracy" As I've said from the very beginning, piracy does not belong in empire space, period. It seems that CCP would agree with me on this, hence all the fixes. Now, if we want some form of piracy to occur in 0.4 down to 0.1 fine, but no more silver platter piracy, oh no. Piracy in 0.4 should be just as dangerous for the pirate as travel is for a non-pirate in 0.1... 0.5 and up, piracy is as deadly for pirates as 0.0 space is for non-pirates. So CCP has to find a way to make 0.4-0.1 the gray area of PvP, up to this point they have proven that they don't have an answer. But it's far better for the game that ganking is minimized until they can solve this problem... See, you're the type of person that causes the police to cluck and roll their eyes at a crime scene. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.01.01 00:21:00 - [21] "See, you're the type of person that causes the police to cluck and roll their eyes at a crime scene." Not gonna work dude, on my 3 week self bannification I medatated enough to never again allow the likes of you to bait me into a flamefest... "Trust No One"
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.01.01 00:27:00 - [22] Quote: "See, you're the type of person that causes the police to cluck and roll their eyes at a crime scene." Not gonna work dude, on my 3 week self bannification I medatated enough to never again allow the likes of you to bait me into a flamefest... It's not bait. It's the truth. It's the person that walks into the bad neighborhood at 3am and askes a couple guys hanging on the corner if they've got change for a $100 bill so he can call a cab cause his car broke down. The current system promotes destruction over the less destructive method and only stubborn vengemongers think its a good idea to keep it. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.01.01 00:30:00 - [23] "The current system promotes destruction over the less destructive method and only stubborn vengemongers think its a good idea to keep it" The 60k ganking will be addressed I'm sure of it. Once pirates have more modules & skills to play with to aid in thier profession, they can stop the whining. Until then they just have to adapt, just like the rest of have been adapting... and adapting... It's now their turn... "Trust No One"
Drethen Nerevitas	Posted - 2004.01.01 00:42:00 - [24] Don't have money for new skills/weapons. Worry not on my behalf, I've managed to zero my cruiser weapon optimal range at 66km . Besides, who's going to go far out of their way (and far into their pocket) to toll someone that could just be blasted? _______________________________________________________________________ *IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.* 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.01.01 00:49:00 - [25] "Don't have money for new skills/weapons. Worry not on my behalf, I've managed to zero my cruiser weapon optimal range at 66km" I'm not saying you have to toll... With the proper skills, mods & group tactics, you could setup your gate camping in 0.4 space and pod... It should be hard work, and risky for you guys, not just a matter of looking at the map and saying, "hmm, this gate looks like a good noob/high traffic area, lets take this one over for a week"... And this risk and hard work will decrease as you get closer to 0.1 space... Just like the risk & reward goes down for me as I get closer to 1.0 space... "Trust No One"
Drethen Nerevitas	Posted - 2004.01.01 00:54:00 - [26] Erm... We aren't discussing how tolling has become 10* harder? _______________________________________________________________________ *IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.* 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.01.01 00:59:00 - [27] "Erm... We aren't discussing how tolling has become 10* harder?" I think people need to get real about this issue. How many pirates want to actually toll as compared to just blow someone up? I bet the ratio is quite small. But, if you guys are given better tools to work with, maybe tolling might be a more lucrative option in the future... CCP has made changes to stop players from doing things that they did not intend to happen, not just for pirates but for miners, etc... I would like to think that they are hard at work trying to solve the pirate issues. They are the hardest issues to solve... As the GM's say, please be patient... "Trust No One"
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.01.01 01:13:00 - [28] Quote: "Erm... We aren't discussing how tolling has become 10* harder?" I think people need to get real about this issue. How many pirates want to actually toll as compared to just blow someone up? I bet the ratio is quite small. But, if you guys are given better tools to work with, maybe tolling might be a more lucrative option in the future... CCP has made changes to stop players from doing things that they did not intend to happen, not just for pirates but for miners, etc... I would like to think that they are hard at work trying to solve the pirate issues. They are the hardest issues to solve... As the GM's say, please be patient... I think you need to get real, WhiteDwarf. You're confusing your desires with interpretation of the developer's wishes. If they 'intended' anything, Chandra would not be making public statements saying they're considering removing the guns from some of the <.4 solar systems. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.01.01 01:17:00 - [29] "I think you need to get real, WhiteDwarf. You're confusing your desires with interpretation of the developer's wishes. If they 'intended' anything, Chandra would not be making public statements saying they're considering removing the guns from some of the <.4 solar systems" "statements & considerations" I deal with the reality on what is in game now, and the changes that have been made. Not based on statements and considerations... Happy New Years to you too dude... "Trust No One"
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.01.01 01:23:00 - [30] Quote: "I think you need to get real, WhiteDwarf. You're confusing your desires with interpretation of the developer's wishes. If they 'intended' anything, Chandra would not be making public statements saying they're considering removing the guns from some of the <.4 solar systems" "statements & considerations" I deal with the reality on what is in game now, and the changes that have been made. Not based on statements and considerations... Happy New Years to you too dude... Ah...so then it's intended that we jump to the wrong entry point, corporations can't sell/buy assets as an entity and the multitude of other incomplete features? This game will never be what you want WhiteDwarf. Someone will always find a way to mug you in the middle of your meadow. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante

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