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Demonus	Posted - 2003.12.31 21:50:00 - [1] I hear since the new patch that gate camping isn¦t working. Well, have u gate campers ever tried to make it work again? I think not. I made it with my omen through Hed 2 times at the same day without seeing any campers. But i saw 3 or more in local. None of them responded to my "hi", just trying to show a presence. I thought about the camp problem and found some new ways of camping that no patch could stop. I give u guys a hint: Large smartbombs. And for the guys trying to block Hed: why don¦t u try to block the gates into YOUR alliance space and not the route in between thats neutral?!?
Jarjar	Posted - 2003.12.31 21:57:00 - [2] Camping problems? Way less than before the patch anyway.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2003.12.31 21:58:00 - [3] Gate campers are out there and working. I've run a few blockades. They tend to sit 60km out and bash the snot out of you with really big guns. One blockade I ran they managed to knock out my shileds completely and just got into armor before I made the gate. No biggie for me but if I spent another 10-15 seconds there I doubt I would have survived. One system I went through last night listed 17 ships killed in the previous hour. They are getting somebody and I doubt it is all n00bs wandering where they shouldn't yet.
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2003.12.31 22:00:00 - [4] Quote: And for the guys trying to block Hed: why don¦t u try to block the gates into YOUR alliance space and not the route in between thats neutral?!? Not enough traffic = not enough things to kill = not enough fun. _______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age."
Marichek	Posted - 2003.12.31 22:01:00 - [5] Quote: I hear since the new patch that gate camping isn¦t working. Well, have u gate campers ever tried to make it work again? I think not. I made it with my omen through Hed 2 times at the same day without seeing any campers. But i saw 3 or more in local. None of them responded to my "hi", just trying to show a presence. I thought about the camp problem and found some new ways of camping that no patch could stop. I give u guys a hint: Large smartbombs. And for the guys trying to block Hed: why don¦t u try to block the gates into YOUR alliance space and not the route in between thats neutral?!? wow, you made it through the same system twice in one day without seeing campers? well that OBVIOUSLY means that people have given up gate camping altogether, then. good work on this, we will be presenting you with one unit of veldspar promptly. DannyThe Great > i have an urge to kill anyone who isnt in my corp and has a smaller ship.
Hellspawn01	Posted - 2003.12.31 22:25:00 - [6] Edited by: Hellspawn01 on 31/12/2003 22:27:42 A unit of ark may help a small wallet more :) --------------------------------------------- Eve is not game, it¦s a way of life!
Leitari	Posted - 2003.12.31 22:28:00 - [7] Gate Camping: Well, Its easier to camp now, you just need coordination for it and manpower. The problem however is finding the right spot thats acceptable in terms of risk and benefits. At the moment such places are only a handfull. We have expressed our views on these matters and have been ignored, thus many of us have cancelled their accounts and are leaving this game for the time beeing. Here, Only the silent survive.
Drethen Nerevitas	Posted - 2003.12.31 22:38:00 - [8] <---Busy finding 60km cruiser loadouts for QTS' small wallet. Personally, I've given up on 0.0 space...pre-patch? Enough traffic. But to quote no-one in particular, now that Castor is in... Quote: There is nothing valuable in 0.0 space, everyone is in empire space. Oh well, guess I won't bother about the hassle of negotiating then... _______________________________________________________________________ *IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.* 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.12.31 22:40:00 - [9] Good, the game don't need to be 50% pirates anyway. Convert Stations
NeoMorph	Posted - 2003.12.31 22:43:00 - [10] I dont know so much... 0.0 is still the place to be if you know what you are doing... I only come back to the edges of empire now and again just to pick up stuff that I can't out in the boonies. I suppose one day I'll come back for a visit but 0.0 is more fun. ------------------------------------------- <Stavros> the first motor bike i ever rode <Stavros> was a honda gold wing <Ak-Gara> hah <Stavros>
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.12.31 22:45:00 - [11] "Gate Camping: Well, Its easier to camp now, you just need coordination for it and manpower. The problem however is finding the right spot thats acceptable in terms of risk and benefits. At the moment such places are only a handfull. We have expressed our views on these matters and have been ignored, thus many of us have cancelled their accounts and are leaving this game for the time beeing." I'm glad to hear this, finally the griefers are being weeded out... "Trust No One"
Kasha	Posted - 2003.12.31 23:04:00 - [12] Edited by: Kasha on 01/01/2004 00:05:57 Edited by: Kasha on 31/12/2003 23:05:16 Quote: I'm glad to hear this, finally the griefers are being weeded out... No dwarf, its the pirates who actually like to RP real pirating that are leaving. The "griefers" (as u call them) who just kill you from 60k away are still here. I hope you are happy.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.12.31 23:06:00 - [13] "No dwarf, its the pirates who actually like to RP real pirating that are leaving. The griefers who just kill you from 60k away are still here. I hope you are happy" In due time... In due time... CCP will eventually fix this problem too. Rome was not built in one day ya know... "Trust No One"
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2003.12.31 23:13:00 - [14] A lot of people are tied up with the holidays, and a substantial block of players are doing agent missions, and ark mining. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2003.12.31 23:21:00 - [15] Quote: In due time... In due time... CCP will eventually fix this problem too. Rome was not built in one day ya know... Warp Inhibitor fields will help the gate campers a lot. They could also use combined unit tactics but I guess no player pirate can bring themselves to dock the Tempest in favor of a frigate...just as well for the rest of us I suppose. There are probably more ways to roleplay being a pirate now than pre-Castor which leads me to believe that most pirates, despite flowery words to the contrary, are 95% all greifers cuz you sure aren't out playing 'highway men'.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.12.31 23:49:00 - [16] Quote: Quote: In due time... In due time... CCP will eventually fix this problem too. Rome was not built in one day ya know... Warp Inhibitor fields will help the gate campers a lot. They could also use combined unit tactics but I guess no player pirate can bring themselves to dock the Tempest in favor of a frigate...just as well for the rest of us I suppose. There are probably more ways to roleplay being a pirate now than pre-Castor which leads me to believe that most pirates, despite flowery words to the contrary, are 95% all greifers cuz you sure aren't out playing 'highway men'. Do you see a Warp inhibitor field on the market? No. Do you see a "Stop the sentry guns from shooting" device on the market? No. Do you see much traffic in 0.0 given the fewer stations, lack of trade good demand and increased difficulty for activities out there? No. Did anyone see this coming before the Castor patch was released? Yes. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Val Amon	Posted - 2003.12.31 23:52:00 - [17] Fix went from 30-60 people average day to like 1-10 at peak times. So yeah, no more gate camping except 60km out in .1-.4 systems cause that's where the people are. _ _ How many pilots does it take to wire a Flux Capacitor? 3, 1 to wire it and 2 to talk about how the old one was better.
Drethen Nerevitas	Posted - 2003.12.31 23:58:00 - [18] Not enough traffic in 0.0 to make gate camping a reasonable trade. C'mon, one indy a night (several hours) is NOT good for buisness. Warp inhibitors? I don't see 'em. Even if I did, I'd think twice and twice again before using them... Hey btw, piracy is shoot to sink. Not toll-like-a-highway-man. So get your facts straight; their is no griefing, only piracy . _______________________________________________________________________ *IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.* 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.01.01 00:13:00 - [19] "Not enough traffic in 0.0 to make gate camping a reasonable trade. C'mon, one indy a night (several hours) is NOT good for buisness. Warp inhibitors? I don't see 'em. Even if I did, I'd think twice and twice again before using them... Hey btw, piracy is shoot to sink. Not toll-like-a-highway-man. So get your facts straight; their is no griefing, only piracy" As I've said from the very beginning, piracy does not belong in empire space, period. It seems that CCP would agree with me on this, hence all the fixes. Now, if we want some form of piracy to occur in 0.4 down to 0.1 fine, but no more silver platter piracy, oh no. Piracy in 0.4 should be just as dangerous for the pirate as travel is for a non-pirate in 0.1... 0.5 and up, piracy is as deadly for pirates as 0.0 space is for non-pirates. So CCP has to find a way to make 0.4-0.1 the gray area of PvP, up to this point they have proven that they don't have an answer. But it's far better for the game that ganking is minimized until they can solve this problem... "Trust No One"
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.01.01 00:19:00 - [20] Quote: "Not enough traffic in 0.0 to make gate camping a reasonable trade. C'mon, one indy a night (several hours) is NOT good for buisness. Warp inhibitors? I don't see 'em. Even if I did, I'd think twice and twice again before using them... Hey btw, piracy is shoot to sink. Not toll-like-a-highway-man. So get your facts straight; their is no griefing, only piracy" As I've said from the very beginning, piracy does not belong in empire space, period. It seems that CCP would agree with me on this, hence all the fixes. Now, if we want some form of piracy to occur in 0.4 down to 0.1 fine, but no more silver platter piracy, oh no. Piracy in 0.4 should be just as dangerous for the pirate as travel is for a non-pirate in 0.1... 0.5 and up, piracy is as deadly for pirates as 0.0 space is for non-pirates. So CCP has to find a way to make 0.4-0.1 the gray area of PvP, up to this point they have proven that they don't have an answer. But it's far better for the game that ganking is minimized until they can solve this problem... See, you're the type of person that causes the police to cluck and roll their eyes at a crime scene. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.01.01 00:21:00 - [21] "See, you're the type of person that causes the police to cluck and roll their eyes at a crime scene." Not gonna work dude, on my 3 week self bannification I medatated enough to never again allow the likes of you to bait me into a flamefest... "Trust No One"
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.01.01 00:27:00 - [22] Quote: "See, you're the type of person that causes the police to cluck and roll their eyes at a crime scene." Not gonna work dude, on my 3 week self bannification I medatated enough to never again allow the likes of you to bait me into a flamefest... It's not bait. It's the truth. It's the person that walks into the bad neighborhood at 3am and askes a couple guys hanging on the corner if they've got change for a $100 bill so he can call a cab cause his car broke down. The current system promotes destruction over the less destructive method and only stubborn vengemongers think its a good idea to keep it. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.01.01 00:30:00 - [23] "The current system promotes destruction over the less destructive method and only stubborn vengemongers think its a good idea to keep it" The 60k ganking will be addressed I'm sure of it. Once pirates have more modules & skills to play with to aid in thier profession, they can stop the whining. Until then they just have to adapt, just like the rest of have been adapting... and adapting... It's now their turn... "Trust No One"
Drethen Nerevitas	Posted - 2004.01.01 00:42:00 - [24] Don't have money for new skills/weapons. Worry not on my behalf, I've managed to zero my cruiser weapon optimal range at 66km . Besides, who's going to go far out of their way (and far into their pocket) to toll someone that could just be blasted? _______________________________________________________________________ *IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.* 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.01.01 00:49:00 - [25] "Don't have money for new skills/weapons. Worry not on my behalf, I've managed to zero my cruiser weapon optimal range at 66km" I'm not saying you have to toll... With the proper skills, mods & group tactics, you could setup your gate camping in 0.4 space and pod... It should be hard work, and risky for you guys, not just a matter of looking at the map and saying, "hmm, this gate looks like a good noob/high traffic area, lets take this one over for a week"... And this risk and hard work will decrease as you get closer to 0.1 space... Just like the risk & reward goes down for me as I get closer to 1.0 space... "Trust No One"
Drethen Nerevitas	Posted - 2004.01.01 00:54:00 - [26] Erm... We aren't discussing how tolling has become 10* harder? _______________________________________________________________________ *IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.* 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.01.01 00:59:00 - [27] "Erm... We aren't discussing how tolling has become 10* harder?" I think people need to get real about this issue. How many pirates want to actually toll as compared to just blow someone up? I bet the ratio is quite small. But, if you guys are given better tools to work with, maybe tolling might be a more lucrative option in the future... CCP has made changes to stop players from doing things that they did not intend to happen, not just for pirates but for miners, etc... I would like to think that they are hard at work trying to solve the pirate issues. They are the hardest issues to solve... As the GM's say, please be patient... "Trust No One"
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.01.01 01:13:00 - [28] Quote: "Erm... We aren't discussing how tolling has become 10* harder?" I think people need to get real about this issue. How many pirates want to actually toll as compared to just blow someone up? I bet the ratio is quite small. But, if you guys are given better tools to work with, maybe tolling might be a more lucrative option in the future... CCP has made changes to stop players from doing things that they did not intend to happen, not just for pirates but for miners, etc... I would like to think that they are hard at work trying to solve the pirate issues. They are the hardest issues to solve... As the GM's say, please be patient... I think you need to get real, WhiteDwarf. You're confusing your desires with interpretation of the developer's wishes. If they 'intended' anything, Chandra would not be making public statements saying they're considering removing the guns from some of the <.4 solar systems. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.01.01 01:17:00 - [29] "I think you need to get real, WhiteDwarf. You're confusing your desires with interpretation of the developer's wishes. If they 'intended' anything, Chandra would not be making public statements saying they're considering removing the guns from some of the <.4 solar systems" "statements & considerations" I deal with the reality on what is in game now, and the changes that have been made. Not based on statements and considerations... Happy New Years to you too dude... "Trust No One"
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.01.01 01:23:00 - [30] Quote: "I think you need to get real, WhiteDwarf. You're confusing your desires with interpretation of the developer's wishes. If they 'intended' anything, Chandra would not be making public statements saying they're considering removing the guns from some of the <.4 solar systems" "statements & considerations" I deal with the reality on what is in game now, and the changes that have been made. Not based on statements and considerations... Happy New Years to you too dude... Ah...so then it's intended that we jump to the wrong entry point, corporations can't sell/buy assets as an entity and the multitude of other incomplete features? This game will never be what you want WhiteDwarf. Someone will always find a way to mug you in the middle of your meadow. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Ooke	Posted - 2004.01.01 01:23:00 - [31] you mean pirates (I use the term loosely) haven't been reduced to dooing agent missions like the rest of us? Ooke: May Contain Nuts
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.01.01 01:28:00 - [32] Just don't want you to place too much emphasis on those statements and considerations you hold so dear. Afterall, instajump bookmarks were as good as gone until CCP realized how assinine penalizing every player at every gate due to pirate whining would be... The game will never be exactly what any of us want it to be, but that won't stop me from voicing my opinions and lobbying CCP for changes in my favor... "Trust No One"
Drethen Nerevitas	Posted - 2004.01.01 01:52:00 - [33] Quote: Just don't want you to place too much emphasis on those statements and considerations you hold so dear. Afterall, instajump bookmarks were as good as gone until CCP realized how assinine penalizing every player at every gate due to pirate whining would be... The game will never be exactly what any of us want it to be, but that won't stop me from voicing my opinions and lobbying CCP for changes in my favor... Some of us don't particularly care whether or not a change is in their favour . It'd actually be more hassle for me to deal with CONCORD patrols in 0.4 sec space. I'd still prefer it. Why? The game needs it. (As always, imo, and I can be wrong.) _______________________________________________________________________ *IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.* 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.
Ulendar	Posted - 2004.01.01 01:59:00 - [34] Personally i hate all the changes they made to please the masses. Its my opinion that the game mechanics when it comes to pirates vs carebears and lawinforcement was pretty good the way it was when the game first came out. Although i do agree that 1.0 space (noob hangout) should be off limits for pirating and perhaps there should have been a bit more of 1.0 space. Other then that they should not have messed with it. they should not have put in uber concord, they should not have messed around with sentries at gates, they should not have messed around with bookmarks. All this things are easy to overcome using just a little of your wits. you adapt to them, learn and fight another day. I believe people dont need to be nursed like babies, in fact i belive it takes alot of fun out of the game. Back in the days when m0o and m3g4 were camping empire space 24/7 everyone and their mother were whining and moaning about them... How easy is it to run a blockade by simply using a combination of modules? how easy is it to run a blockade by simply using a bookmark? How unacceptable is it to pay a toll and make it out with your ship and cargo intact? Really people should have stopped using somuch braincells to think up ways to moan and whine and redirected some to finding new ways to bypass the blockades. Instead CCP overhauled empire space, that caused new problems, which were also overhauled, more problems arose, it was overhauled again. And now it still sucks in my book. Its one big mess and they should have left it alone...but they didnt. Originally by: cashman It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this. It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.01.01 02:02:00 - [35] "And now it still sucks in my book. Its one big mess and they should have left it alone...but they didnt" Of course you feel that way, the game made your style of play a no brainer, everyone else had to worry about how to get past blockades and such. Back then was griefer heaven, obviously that did not work, they had to fix it... "Trust No One"
Ulendar	Posted - 2004.01.01 02:16:00 - [36] Quote: "And now it still sucks in my book. Its one big mess and they should have left it alone...but they didnt" Of course you feel that way, the game made your style of play a no brainer, everyone else had to worry about how to get past blockades and such. Back then was griefer heaven, obviously that did not work, they had to fix it... Doesn't really fly... I have been an example citizen upto 3 days ago. Mining, trading, running my corp... Protecting the miners and traders, from these 'griefers' at no cost yes...silly as it may sound i did actually do that. I loved EVE back then. I loved the thrills when jumping into a pirate blockade, i loved the thrills of knowing i might turn into dust around every corner. Sure it ticked me off from time to time, but something always does that...else your just not having fun with the game. So yeah, my love for the original EVE has absolutly nothing to do with the path i have chosen now... That would be a little to easy for you m8 ;) Also i will have you know that empire space back then was dangerous to pirates and lawfull people alike. Anyone could jump in with a supreme force and toast you...just like the pirates did to the people they victimized. Things are like that right now in 0.0 space. Pirating 0.0 space can be very dangerous...you have to be on your toes. You never know when a calvary fleet may jump in and grind you up...which is fine, i think pirates major gripe with 0.0 space right now is the fact that there is no traffic =P All in all your argument is invalid on this topic. EVERYONE has equal ods in PvP. Plain and simple. Back in those days anyone could have jumped in with a few bships and some cruisers and squished the m0o blockade (provided they actually knew what they were doing, cause m0o did and does)... So basically all is fair. The law of the strongest and smartest, or most organised. The only reason why noone ever came close to beating m0o back in those days is because noone ever tryed an organized attack, m0o had the better tactics and the better load-outs and the superior combat expirience... Yes indeed...m0o prevailed all that time because everyone was being a carebear and refused to team up on m0o out of fear of loosing their rides which they had mined milions of units of scordite for. If you cannot apreciate the concept of 'the strongest prevail' then you simply have no place in EVE. The whole game is based on this rule...not only combat but also economy and game mechanics. Capitalism itself is the law of the strongest. The changes that have been made to empire space are imho a charade of EVE. Originally by: cashman It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this. It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.01.01 02:29:00 - [37] "Also i will have you know that empire space back then was dangerous to pirates and lawfull people alike. Anyone could jump in with a supreme force and toast you...just like the pirates did to the people they victimized" All the things empire space is not supposed to be, you are describing 0.0 space there buddy... Why would an empire allow such things in thier controlled space? "Trust No One"
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.01.01 02:31:00 - [38] "If you cannot apreciate the concept of 'the strongest prevail' then you simply have no place in EVE" No, you have no place in EMPIRE space if you can't understand that the Empire and her Navy will always be stronger than ANY corp... If you had your way, we'd be talking about EVE in the past tense, and no longer playing it... "Trust No One"
Drethen Nerevitas	Posted - 2004.01.01 02:34:00 - [39] Quote: "If you cannot apreciate the concept of 'the strongest prevail' then you simply have no place in EVE" No, you have no place in EMPIRE space if you can't understand that the Empire and her Navy will always be stronger than ANY corp... If you had your way, we'd be talking about EVE in the past tense, and no longer playing it... This true=Drethen SMASH . continues stockpiling viral agents... _______________________________________________________________________ *IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.* 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.
Kulath	Posted - 2004.01.01 02:39:00 - [40] Look, everyone got a bit screwed in this patch. My guys stats make him an ideal research/builder and I'm stuck doing endless missions right now. You need to adapt to the game. I like the idea of a graduated Concord response in empire space. The low security empire systems shouldn't be totally safe. But going around and killing every one in sight in .4 systems to try to get sentry guns taken away isn't gonna work. CCP will make those guns stronger or add more further out from the gates. Just adapt to the changes.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.01.01 03:05:00 - [41] Quote: Look, everyone got a bit screwed in this patch. My guys stats make him an ideal research/builder and I'm stuck doing endless missions right now. You need to adapt to the game. I like the idea of a graduated Concord response in empire space. The low security empire systems shouldn't be totally safe. But going around and killing every one in sight in .4 systems to try to get sentry guns taken away isn't gonna work. CCP will make those guns stronger or add more further out from the gates. Just adapt to the changes. No. I will not 'adapt' to these changes. Continual adaptation is why nothing is getting done and why people like WhiteDwarf are quite happy for things to continue at their current pace. Earlier today I was doing an agent mission for an implant. I was in .3 space. I had undocked from a station and was distracted, forgetting to turn on the autopilot. When I looked to check my progress, I discovered I was still outside the station and under attack by a Scorpion. I'd been distracted for a good 10-20 seconds and was barely to 3/4th shiels. Given my Rupture was obviously in no immediate danger from the attack I took my time in checking out the person's sec rating/corp, ponder what resources I had in the area and let a corpmate of his in a cruiser join in on the fun. At which point I went ahead and warped out to complete the mission. And to go get a Typhoon or a Tempest. My problem with the situation: 1) Why did my Rupture survive against a Scorpion for so long unattended? Shoulda died except I was so far out range of his Tachyons, a good 90% of the shots were wiffs or scratches. If he had missiles or torps in flight, I still had a good 40+ seconds before they would become a threat. 2) Why the bloody hell should my next concern be "Which battleship am I willing to sacrifice to the damn senty guns to teach these twips a lesson?!?". Because my attacker was only -1.5 (prolly from attacking me), it's not worth wasting a war slot/48h to smack em for a single attack and duels are pointless (doesn't hurt if you give the target time to prep). So I continued my rather boringly safe agent mission, hopped back to base to start a Typhoon to sacrifice to the Pagan God CONCORD and noted yet again how the game has become so utterly dull it's serving as a better substitute for AT&T than actual entertainment. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.01.01 03:20:00 - [42] "So I continued my rather boringly safe agent mission, hopped back to base to start a Typhoon to sacrifice to the Pagan God CONCORD and noted yet again how the game has become so utterly dull it's serving as a better substitute for AT&T than actual entertainment" The only advice I can offer is the wise words of the griefers from long since past, adapt or quit... I remember hearing that quite often. Or how about this one, "I'm having fun, you must be doing something wrong, try playing the game differently than the way you want to play it. CCP is not here to make a game only for you..." Kinda sucks when your on the other end of this huh Jash? Welcome to my first 6 months of EVE gameplay... The game is shaping up as it should have been from the beginning. And it isn't like I have not suffered any nerfs... It's just some people got spoiled, and now they don't want to change (I know, my mining has been horendously nerfed, but I'll get over it...) Suck up and deal, like I had to through all the f'ing gate exploits and JIP exploits. I had to play through all that BS you guys called "tactics" You think I like the fact that my guy was trained in science, only to find out my low charisma and no social skills was gonna severly hurt my chances of doing what I wanted to 6 months ago when I created my character, research new technlogy? Stop whining like you are the only one that was affected negatively by Castor... PK'ers have had it better than anyone up to this point, it took me 6 months to be able to do the research I wanted, you guys got to kill stuff right out of the box, I waited 6 months to have my fun... "Trust No One"
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.01.01 03:28:00 - [43] Edited by: Jash Illian on 01/01/2004 03:30:18 Quote: "So I continued my rather boringly safe agent mission, hopped back to base to start a Typhoon to sacrifice to the Pagan God CONCORD and noted yet again how the game has become so utterly dull it's serving as a better substitute for AT&T than actual entertainment" The only advice I can offer is the wise words of the griefers from long since past, adapt or quit... Give it a rest, WhiteDwarf. There's nothing to adapt to from my position. And it's because of people like you that go into a game with PvP and can't deal with the fact people won't be nice to you. This game doesn't work 'safe'. The developers know it as there's nothing to force the resources in the game to exit the economy. The real players know it and are bored to quitting over it. The game is castrated and marginally appealing to the EQ Dingmongering throwbacks till they get bored to tears and quit too. Meaning those that enjoy climbing a meaningless level ladder. Except Eve's "level ladder" has all the variety of vanilla in terms of what you can achieve. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2004.01.01 03:37:00 - [44] What is Jash whining about now? Convert Stations
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.01.01 03:42:00 - [45] "This game doesn't work 'safe'. The developers know it as there's nothing to force the resources in the game to exit the economy. The real players know it and are bored to quitting over it" I knew from the very beginning that an all out, no holds bar PvP game would not work, it's funny how people like you and the "DEVS" could not see it... If you're so right, why is the game falling more into line as to how I see things rather than how you and the "DEVS" see it. It is there game afterall, why would they deviate from their (your) original conceptions. The first order of buisness is to get a stable thriving PC based economy (which hopefully the implementation of tech II will provide), that cannot be done through PvP alone, sorry. As a whole, PvP has to play second fiddle to a stable PC run economy, not the other way around. I think the alliances chocking off the high level mins has proven that... "Trust No One"
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.01.01 03:44:00 - [46] Quote: What is Jash whining about now? Take lessons, boy. You're not insulting. Eve serves a purpose for me: Cheap substitute for AT&T long distance. 1) I'm quite sure the developers' ego and sense of pride loves that idea. 2) Most people won't be anywhere near as lucky as I am to find a reason to replace AT&T. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2004.01.01 04:39:00 - [47] Seriously, what is it about? Convert Stations
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.01.01 04:42:00 - [48] Quote: Seriously, what is it about? Seriously, take lessons. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2004.01.01 04:54:00 - [49] I thought I had taken Rant & rave 101 but clearly I've missed a few steps in how one forget to share 7 steps of reasoning before spouting off some random lines about failing mechanics. Convert Stations
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.01.01 05:10:00 - [50] Quote: I thought I had taken Rant & rave 101 but clearly I've missed a few steps in how one forget to share 7 steps of reasoning before spouting off some random lines about failing mechanics. No worries. You're a trolling twip so I don't expect much from you. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
PuncherDavis	Posted - 2004.01.01 07:48:00 - [51] Now now Jash ur acting like a four year old again calling people twips for expressing thier opininons much like u and white dwarf do all the time... If ya dont like it done read it or get over it seems simple...
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.01.01 08:14:00 - [52] Quote: Now now Jash ur acting like a four year old again calling people twips for expressing thier opininons much like u and white dwarf do all the time... If ya dont like it done read it or get over it seems simple... My sincerest apologies for cutting through the BS. And calling something that quacks, waddles and swims like a duck... A Duck I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante

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