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Ooke	Posted - 2004.01.01 01:23:00 - [31] you mean pirates (I use the term loosely) haven't been reduced to dooing agent missions like the rest of us? Ooke: May Contain Nuts
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.01.01 01:28:00 - [32] Just don't want you to place too much emphasis on those statements and considerations you hold so dear. Afterall, instajump bookmarks were as good as gone until CCP realized how assinine penalizing every player at every gate due to pirate whining would be... The game will never be exactly what any of us want it to be, but that won't stop me from voicing my opinions and lobbying CCP for changes in my favor... "Trust No One"
Drethen Nerevitas	Posted - 2004.01.01 01:52:00 - [33] Quote: Just don't want you to place too much emphasis on those statements and considerations you hold so dear. Afterall, instajump bookmarks were as good as gone until CCP realized how assinine penalizing every player at every gate due to pirate whining would be... The game will never be exactly what any of us want it to be, but that won't stop me from voicing my opinions and lobbying CCP for changes in my favor... Some of us don't particularly care whether or not a change is in their favour . It'd actually be more hassle for me to deal with CONCORD patrols in 0.4 sec space. I'd still prefer it. Why? The game needs it. (As always, imo, and I can be wrong.) _______________________________________________________________________ *IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.* 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.
Ulendar	Posted - 2004.01.01 01:59:00 - [34] Personally i hate all the changes they made to please the masses. Its my opinion that the game mechanics when it comes to pirates vs carebears and lawinforcement was pretty good the way it was when the game first came out. Although i do agree that 1.0 space (noob hangout) should be off limits for pirating and perhaps there should have been a bit more of 1.0 space. Other then that they should not have messed with it. they should not have put in uber concord, they should not have messed around with sentries at gates, they should not have messed around with bookmarks. All this things are easy to overcome using just a little of your wits. you adapt to them, learn and fight another day. I believe people dont need to be nursed like babies, in fact i belive it takes alot of fun out of the game. Back in the days when m0o and m3g4 were camping empire space 24/7 everyone and their mother were whining and moaning about them... How easy is it to run a blockade by simply using a combination of modules? how easy is it to run a blockade by simply using a bookmark? How unacceptable is it to pay a toll and make it out with your ship and cargo intact? Really people should have stopped using somuch braincells to think up ways to moan and whine and redirected some to finding new ways to bypass the blockades. Instead CCP overhauled empire space, that caused new problems, which were also overhauled, more problems arose, it was overhauled again. And now it still sucks in my book. Its one big mess and they should have left it alone...but they didnt. Originally by: cashman It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this. It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.01.01 02:02:00 - [35] "And now it still sucks in my book. Its one big mess and they should have left it alone...but they didnt" Of course you feel that way, the game made your style of play a no brainer, everyone else had to worry about how to get past blockades and such. Back then was griefer heaven, obviously that did not work, they had to fix it... "Trust No One"
Ulendar	Posted - 2004.01.01 02:16:00 - [36] Quote: "And now it still sucks in my book. Its one big mess and they should have left it alone...but they didnt" Of course you feel that way, the game made your style of play a no brainer, everyone else had to worry about how to get past blockades and such. Back then was griefer heaven, obviously that did not work, they had to fix it... Doesn't really fly... I have been an example citizen upto 3 days ago. Mining, trading, running my corp... Protecting the miners and traders, from these 'griefers' at no cost yes...silly as it may sound i did actually do that. I loved EVE back then. I loved the thrills when jumping into a pirate blockade, i loved the thrills of knowing i might turn into dust around every corner. Sure it ticked me off from time to time, but something always does that...else your just not having fun with the game. So yeah, my love for the original EVE has absolutly nothing to do with the path i have chosen now... That would be a little to easy for you m8 ;) Also i will have you know that empire space back then was dangerous to pirates and lawfull people alike. Anyone could jump in with a supreme force and toast you...just like the pirates did to the people they victimized. Things are like that right now in 0.0 space. Pirating 0.0 space can be very dangerous...you have to be on your toes. You never know when a calvary fleet may jump in and grind you up...which is fine, i think pirates major gripe with 0.0 space right now is the fact that there is no traffic =P All in all your argument is invalid on this topic. EVERYONE has equal ods in PvP. Plain and simple. Back in those days anyone could have jumped in with a few bships and some cruisers and squished the m0o blockade (provided they actually knew what they were doing, cause m0o did and does)... So basically all is fair. The law of the strongest and smartest, or most organised. The only reason why noone ever came close to beating m0o back in those days is because noone ever tryed an organized attack, m0o had the better tactics and the better load-outs and the superior combat expirience... Yes indeed...m0o prevailed all that time because everyone was being a carebear and refused to team up on m0o out of fear of loosing their rides which they had mined milions of units of scordite for. If you cannot apreciate the concept of 'the strongest prevail' then you simply have no place in EVE. The whole game is based on this rule...not only combat but also economy and game mechanics. Capitalism itself is the law of the strongest. The changes that have been made to empire space are imho a charade of EVE. Originally by: cashman It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this. It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.01.01 02:29:00 - [37] "Also i will have you know that empire space back then was dangerous to pirates and lawfull people alike. Anyone could jump in with a supreme force and toast you...just like the pirates did to the people they victimized" All the things empire space is not supposed to be, you are describing 0.0 space there buddy... Why would an empire allow such things in thier controlled space? "Trust No One"
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.01.01 02:31:00 - [38] "If you cannot apreciate the concept of 'the strongest prevail' then you simply have no place in EVE" No, you have no place in EMPIRE space if you can't understand that the Empire and her Navy will always be stronger than ANY corp... If you had your way, we'd be talking about EVE in the past tense, and no longer playing it... "Trust No One"
Drethen Nerevitas	Posted - 2004.01.01 02:34:00 - [39] Quote: "If you cannot apreciate the concept of 'the strongest prevail' then you simply have no place in EVE" No, you have no place in EMPIRE space if you can't understand that the Empire and her Navy will always be stronger than ANY corp... If you had your way, we'd be talking about EVE in the past tense, and no longer playing it... This true=Drethen SMASH . continues stockpiling viral agents... _______________________________________________________________________ *IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.* 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.
Kulath	Posted - 2004.01.01 02:39:00 - [40] Look, everyone got a bit screwed in this patch. My guys stats make him an ideal research/builder and I'm stuck doing endless missions right now. You need to adapt to the game. I like the idea of a graduated Concord response in empire space. The low security empire systems shouldn't be totally safe. But going around and killing every one in sight in .4 systems to try to get sentry guns taken away isn't gonna work. CCP will make those guns stronger or add more further out from the gates. Just adapt to the changes.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.01.01 03:05:00 - [41] Quote: Look, everyone got a bit screwed in this patch. My guys stats make him an ideal research/builder and I'm stuck doing endless missions right now. You need to adapt to the game. I like the idea of a graduated Concord response in empire space. The low security empire systems shouldn't be totally safe. But going around and killing every one in sight in .4 systems to try to get sentry guns taken away isn't gonna work. CCP will make those guns stronger or add more further out from the gates. Just adapt to the changes. No. I will not 'adapt' to these changes. Continual adaptation is why nothing is getting done and why people like WhiteDwarf are quite happy for things to continue at their current pace. Earlier today I was doing an agent mission for an implant. I was in .3 space. I had undocked from a station and was distracted, forgetting to turn on the autopilot. When I looked to check my progress, I discovered I was still outside the station and under attack by a Scorpion. I'd been distracted for a good 10-20 seconds and was barely to 3/4th shiels. Given my Rupture was obviously in no immediate danger from the attack I took my time in checking out the person's sec rating/corp, ponder what resources I had in the area and let a corpmate of his in a cruiser join in on the fun. At which point I went ahead and warped out to complete the mission. And to go get a Typhoon or a Tempest. My problem with the situation: 1) Why did my Rupture survive against a Scorpion for so long unattended? Shoulda died except I was so far out range of his Tachyons, a good 90% of the shots were wiffs or scratches. If he had missiles or torps in flight, I still had a good 40+ seconds before they would become a threat. 2) Why the bloody hell should my next concern be "Which battleship am I willing to sacrifice to the damn senty guns to teach these twips a lesson?!?". Because my attacker was only -1.5 (prolly from attacking me), it's not worth wasting a war slot/48h to smack em for a single attack and duels are pointless (doesn't hurt if you give the target time to prep). So I continued my rather boringly safe agent mission, hopped back to base to start a Typhoon to sacrifice to the Pagan God CONCORD and noted yet again how the game has become so utterly dull it's serving as a better substitute for AT&T than actual entertainment. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.01.01 03:20:00 - [42] "So I continued my rather boringly safe agent mission, hopped back to base to start a Typhoon to sacrifice to the Pagan God CONCORD and noted yet again how the game has become so utterly dull it's serving as a better substitute for AT&T than actual entertainment" The only advice I can offer is the wise words of the griefers from long since past, adapt or quit... I remember hearing that quite often. Or how about this one, "I'm having fun, you must be doing something wrong, try playing the game differently than the way you want to play it. CCP is not here to make a game only for you..." Kinda sucks when your on the other end of this huh Jash? Welcome to my first 6 months of EVE gameplay... The game is shaping up as it should have been from the beginning. And it isn't like I have not suffered any nerfs... It's just some people got spoiled, and now they don't want to change (I know, my mining has been horendously nerfed, but I'll get over it...) Suck up and deal, like I had to through all the f'ing gate exploits and JIP exploits. I had to play through all that BS you guys called "tactics" You think I like the fact that my guy was trained in science, only to find out my low charisma and no social skills was gonna severly hurt my chances of doing what I wanted to 6 months ago when I created my character, research new technlogy? Stop whining like you are the only one that was affected negatively by Castor... PK'ers have had it better than anyone up to this point, it took me 6 months to be able to do the research I wanted, you guys got to kill stuff right out of the box, I waited 6 months to have my fun... "Trust No One"
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.01.01 03:28:00 - [43] Edited by: Jash Illian on 01/01/2004 03:30:18 Quote: "So I continued my rather boringly safe agent mission, hopped back to base to start a Typhoon to sacrifice to the Pagan God CONCORD and noted yet again how the game has become so utterly dull it's serving as a better substitute for AT&T than actual entertainment" The only advice I can offer is the wise words of the griefers from long since past, adapt or quit... Give it a rest, WhiteDwarf. There's nothing to adapt to from my position. And it's because of people like you that go into a game with PvP and can't deal with the fact people won't be nice to you. This game doesn't work 'safe'. The developers know it as there's nothing to force the resources in the game to exit the economy. The real players know it and are bored to quitting over it. The game is castrated and marginally appealing to the EQ Dingmongering throwbacks till they get bored to tears and quit too. Meaning those that enjoy climbing a meaningless level ladder. Except Eve's "level ladder" has all the variety of vanilla in terms of what you can achieve. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2004.01.01 03:37:00 - [44] What is Jash whining about now? Convert Stations
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.01.01 03:42:00 - [45] "This game doesn't work 'safe'. The developers know it as there's nothing to force the resources in the game to exit the economy. The real players know it and are bored to quitting over it" I knew from the very beginning that an all out, no holds bar PvP game would not work, it's funny how people like you and the "DEVS" could not see it... If you're so right, why is the game falling more into line as to how I see things rather than how you and the "DEVS" see it. It is there game afterall, why would they deviate from their (your) original conceptions. The first order of buisness is to get a stable thriving PC based economy (which hopefully the implementation of tech II will provide), that cannot be done through PvP alone, sorry. As a whole, PvP has to play second fiddle to a stable PC run economy, not the other way around. I think the alliances chocking off the high level mins has proven that... "Trust No One"
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.01.01 03:44:00 - [46] Quote: What is Jash whining about now? Take lessons, boy. You're not insulting. Eve serves a purpose for me: Cheap substitute for AT&T long distance. 1) I'm quite sure the developers' ego and sense of pride loves that idea. 2) Most people won't be anywhere near as lucky as I am to find a reason to replace AT&T. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2004.01.01 04:39:00 - [47] Seriously, what is it about? Convert Stations
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.01.01 04:42:00 - [48] Quote: Seriously, what is it about? Seriously, take lessons. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2004.01.01 04:54:00 - [49] I thought I had taken Rant & rave 101 but clearly I've missed a few steps in how one forget to share 7 steps of reasoning before spouting off some random lines about failing mechanics. Convert Stations
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.01.01 05:10:00 - [50] Quote: I thought I had taken Rant & rave 101 but clearly I've missed a few steps in how one forget to share 7 steps of reasoning before spouting off some random lines about failing mechanics. No worries. You're a trolling twip so I don't expect much from you. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
PuncherDavis	Posted - 2004.01.01 07:48:00 - [51] Now now Jash ur acting like a four year old again calling people twips for expressing thier opininons much like u and white dwarf do all the time... If ya dont like it done read it or get over it seems simple...
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.01.01 08:14:00 - [52] Quote: Now now Jash ur acting like a four year old again calling people twips for expressing thier opininons much like u and white dwarf do all the time... If ya dont like it done read it or get over it seems simple... My sincerest apologies for cutting through the BS. And calling something that quacks, waddles and swims like a duck... A Duck I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante

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