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Iva Soreass
FireStar Inc
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Posted - 2007.04.29 21:06:00 -
[31]
I dont even fly caldari and all i see is "whine whine whine cry cry cry boohooboohooboohoo"
I was violated by BackDoor Bandit :*(.
Perfection Comes To Those Who Wait |
Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2007.04.29 21:06:00 -
[32]
Show us this 'uber' passive setup: shield HP's, shield recharge time, shield resistances.
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Donna Maria
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Posted - 2007.04.29 21:40:00 -
[33]
 Originally by: Fable Hike
So why can the T2 passive tanked drake outtank a faction tanked drake using Pith x-type hardeners, gist x-type repairer etc? {Whine...mamamaa...}
Why is T2 passive tanking able to absorb more DPS than a billion isk active faction tank? {More Whine.. Maaaah!}
BTW, i haven't pvped against a passive tanked ship in a long long time, so don't start with that. I just happen to have noticed that passive tanking is way out of line.
I will tell you why.. RIGS smart boy. How about your Active Armor tanking ships with cap boosters and dual reps? Maybe they should nerf Armor Reps so you can only fit one on a ship. Would that be fair? Rigs and modules = passive tanking Drake. BTW alot of Caldari ships with shield bonuses can be used this way, its just that Rigs are so expensive that no one wants to put them on their Moa, Merlin, or Ferox. What is it you guys always saying...
ADAPT and ADJUST stop CRYING for the NERFBAT..
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Trem Sinval
Sinval Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.04.29 22:19:00 -
[34]
Faction?
Drake
Heavy Missile Launcher II [40xScourge Heavy Missile]
Heavy Missile Launcher II [40xScourge Heavy Missile]
Heavy Missile Launcher II [40xScourge Heavy Missile]
Heavy Missile Launcher II [40xScourge Heavy Missile]
Heavy Missile Launcher II [40xScourge Heavy Missile]
Heavy Missile Launcher II [40xScourge Heavy Missile]
Heavy Missile Launcher II [40xScourge Heavy Missile]
Empty Slot
Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster
Gist X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Gist X-Type Heat Dissipation Field
Gist X-Type Heat Dissipation Field
Gist X-Type Ballistic Deflection Field
Gist X-Type Ballistic Deflection Field
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Local Power Plant Manager: Capacity Power Relay I
Co-Processor II
Rigs : Capacitor Control Circuit II \ Capacitor Control Circuit II \ Capacitor Control Circuit I \
6836 shield, 18.23/s, E/T/K/Ex=25/89/92/69
4882 armor, E/T/K/Ex=59/44/25/10
3515.625 cap, +36.09/s, -35.021/s
175.0 m/s
189.3 DPS
Passive T2?
Drake
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher [36xScourge Heavy Missile]
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher [36xScourge Heavy Missile]
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher [36xScourge Heavy Missile]
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher [36xScourge Heavy Missile]
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher [36xScourge Heavy Missile]
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher [36xScourge Heavy Missile]
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher [36xScourge Heavy Missile]
Empty Slot
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Vizan's Modified Reactor Control Unit
Rigs : Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I \ Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I \ Empty Slot \
23242 shield, 141.19/s, E/T/K/Ex=47/57/68/78
4882 armor, E/T/K/Ex=59/44/25/10
3515.625 cap, +6.22/s, -3.2/s
175.0 m/s
138.6 DPS
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I can't make 7 launchers fit on the passive setup without the officer RCU, otherwise go 6 Arbies with an RCU II.
In case you're wondering, the faction ship tanks about 1,164 DPS against kin/therm, while the passive setup only tanks 376.
Oh, and the faction ship can do 36% more DPS than the passive T2.
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Kesh McCall
Caldari
Malkalen Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.04.29 22:21:00 -
[35]
Nerf this, nerf that... Nerf Eve ...
I cant stand it anymore, Guy X looses a ship to guy Y and it only happend because something is overpowered and needs to be nerfed.
Passive tanking is good as it is, considering how many skills you need to actually use it compared to the money you need to buy a factionfit.
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Mushise
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Posted - 2007.04.29 22:28:00 -
[36]
If you passive tank a shield tanking ship, it comes with a penalty and that is Signature radius. Bring your Drake against any battleship and watch yourself go down in flames because he gets 100% damage on you. Passive tanking does not require a nerf.
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mr bighelmet
EnTech
Pax Familia
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Posted - 2007.04.29 23:16:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Fable Hike
A correctly passive tanked drake with only T2 mods will tank as well as any faction gist setup drake, only the t2 drake mods cost about 5m each and the faction drakes mods cost several hundred million.
Doesn't anyone else see a problem with this? Passive tanking with T2 mods is as powerful as any expensive faction fitted shield booster setup ship. It's ridiculous and something needs to change. Passive tanking is far to powerful.
Use your brain and use the ISK to passive tank with faction loot.
Use Faction Amps and ur tank will be better.
If i post something smart it represent my corp and alliance all other posts are my feeling/ideas only and do not represnt the rest |
Kldraina
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Posted - 2007.04.30 00:37:00 -
[38]
Rigs doubled the strength of Passive shield tanks. 3x Core Defence Purger Is will improve a passive tank by 95%. This is why they were largely ignored before Drakes (and rigs) came out.
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Riddick Valer
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Posted - 2007.04.30 00:45:00 -
[39]
But when their sig penalty is stacked with the LSE's, the drake just becomes a HUGE target for any BS in the world.
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Namingway
Important Yet Underrated Video Game Characters
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Posted - 2007.04.30 00:50:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Fable Hike
A T2 tank should not be as powerful if not more powerful than an ultra expensive faction tank. I'm talking Gist fittings that cost hundreds of millions.
You have nfc of what a player driven market is, or the difference you'll have between the DPS of those two ships.
Or the fact that the passive tank is not always regening that much.
It doesn't need nerfed, EVE-O intelligence needs a boost, people just assume too quickly.
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Namingway
Important Yet Underrated Video Game Characters
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Posted - 2007.04.30 00:55:00 -
[41]
Also, the solution to this problem is for CCP to introduce Faction and Officer extenders and plates.
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Kaathar Rielspar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.04.30 00:58:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Your argument didn't work the first time, repeating it again and again will not make it any better.
You've already been countered. A faction tank can still deal pretty damn nice dps, whereas the passive drake pewpew's the dps of a cow chewing a M1A2 Abrams.
now thats what i call a metaphor  
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Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe
Originally by: Eximius Josari
If BS Sized HACs would be overpowered, what are HACs?
Overpriced Nos victims.
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Vactet
Immortalis Silens
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Posted - 2007.04.30 01:02:00 -
[43]
Gotta love it when a person crys and whines on the forums thinking that they are right and that everyone will rally to their call..
Then its funny to watch everyone shoot them down and them not even post again on the thread after the second or third try to sway folks to their way...
Oh its fun.
Dont nerf nothing!
(Disclamer: I..do not fly a drake)
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.04.30 01:03:00 -
[44]
When you passive tank, you cant gank OR tackle/ewar.
There isnt really a problem with it, its not like the tanks cant be broken.
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.04.30 01:19:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Trem Sinval
*stuff*
In case you're wondering, the faction ship tanks about 1,164 DPS against kin/therm, while the passive setup only tanks 376.
Oh, and the faction ship can do 36% more DPS than the passive T2.
OK, we've killed the pseudo-argument of the OP now. Can this thread just die?
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Dark Kavar
Caldari
Aionios Diadochi
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Posted - 2007.04.30 01:36:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Gabriel Karade
Show us this 'uber' passive setup: shield HP's, shield recharge time, shield resistances.
Highes: Whatever
Mids: 3 large shield extenders t2, 2 shield rechargers t2, 1 24 km scram
Lows: 4 shield power relays t2
Rigs: 3 shield recharge rigs
Shield hp: 17000 I think
shield recharge rate: either 260 or 360
Resistances: just base resistances with BC lvl 4
tanks:
450 EM
568 thermal
750 kinetic
1128 explosive
(assuming BC lvl 4, shield management lvl 5, and shield operation lvl 5)
the numbers might be off becuase this is from memory
This set up makes an excellent gate camping/bait ship, it is my favorite set up to fly please do not nerf 
Kind of like the Triforce in Zelda, only not quite as potent.
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JADE DRAG0NESS
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2007.04.30 01:42:00 -
[47]
Originally by: KaptnSparrow
drake is fine,
i tanked a chimera in it without any problems
but to be fair the carrier pilot could only use 8 figthers.
I think thats the point the OP is trying to illustrate here that the drake + opassive tanking = Overpowered.
Tho i dont nessasarily agree with this.
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-- Jean Rostand |
Ilkin Kaptan
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Posted - 2007.04.30 01:44:00 -
[48]
No, this thread shall not die, it never dies. Like anything else in the universe it cannot be destroyed, only change form. This is simply a reincarnation of an old thread started a long time ago, probably sometime during Ultima Online, Anarchy Online or maybe Everquest. I think the actual OP was entitled 'Whaaaa! Somebody pwn's better than me. Nerf them please'
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JADE DRAG0NESS
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2007.04.30 01:46:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Gabriel Karade
Show us this 'uber' passive setup: shield HP's, shield recharge time, shield resistances.
I have a sneaking suspition that what really happened is that he got ganked by a drake then its pilot boasted by saying he just had tech 2 mods not faction  hence the lack of figres and fittings.
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-- Jean Rostand |
mr bighelmet
EnTech
Pax Familia
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Posted - 2007.04.30 06:53:00 -
[50]
Originally by: JADE DRAG0NESS
Originally by: KaptnSparrow
drake is fine,
i tanked a chimera in it without any problems
but to be fair the carrier pilot could only use 8 figthers.
I think thats the point the OP is trying to illustrate here that the drake + opassive tanking = Overpowered.
Tho i dont nessasarily agree with this.
That's not a case of drake uberness that a case of carrier using the wrong tools for the job, 5 T2 heavy drone would have eaten that drake in short time.
If i post something smart it represent my corp and alliance all other posts are my feeling/ideas only and do not represnt the rest |
Auron Shadowbane
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Posted - 2007.04.30 07:08:00 -
[51]
Originally by: mr bighelmet
Originally by: JADE DRAG0NESS
Originally by: KaptnSparrow
drake is fine,
i tanked a chimera in it without any problems
but to be fair the carrier pilot could only use 8 figthers.
I think thats the point the OP is trying to illustrate here that the drake + opassive tanking = Overpowered.
Tho i dont nessasarily agree with this.
That's not a case of drake uberness that a case of carrier using the wrong tools for the job, 5 T2 heavy drone would have eaten that drake in short time.
why only 5 if he can use 8 drones?
for all the noob carriers out there:
small drones for ceptors
medium drones for frigs and interdictors
heavy drones for destroyers, cruisers & battlecruisers
fighters for battleship and capital ships (if you really have too... ).
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Hectaire Glade
Forum Jockey
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Posted - 2007.04.30 07:55:00 -
[52]
Specifically, disproportionately large sig radius needs to have additional disadvantages in PVP, as right now being a very fat BC is little different to being a slightly fat BC. Or indeed, how does a Myrm with 80% bigger sig suffer any disadvantage in PVP over a standard sig radius BS?
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Sathynos
Caldari
M. Corp
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.04.30 07:57:00 -
[53]
I see a problem with you yelling for nerf with unidentified alt. Please post with your main, so I can grief you in game.
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"Say yes to pron on Concord billboards" campaing.
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.04.30 08:24:00 -
[54]
fitting BS modules
having cruiser recharge rates
pre-rev, this was only cute with a ferox and that was its niche. now the same cuteness suddenly applies to the naturally stronger tier 2's aswell
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Llyando Autora
Pyrrhus Sicarii
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.30 08:38:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Llyando Autora on 30/04/2007 08:36:13
Quote:
A correctly passive tanked drake with only T2 mods will tank as well as any faction gist setup drake, only the t2 drake mods cost about 5m each and the faction drakes mods cost several hundred million.
If this is the case (which it really isnt) then what is to stop you putting your faction hardners on a passive setup?
Oh, and if you are running an active Gist-X tank on a drake you need to sell it and train some more and put those nice faction mods on a T2/faction ship...
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Specifically, disproportionately large sig radius needs to have additional disadvantages in PVP, as right now being a very fat BC is little different to being a slightly fat BC. Or indeed, how does a Myrm with 80% bigger sig suffer any disadvantage in PVP over a standard sig radius BS?
Being hit for 6 with BS sized guns doesnt hurt enough? (Probably not really but...) Smaller ships get more wrecking hits on larger sigs as well, Oh and lock times
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M4sterm1nd
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.04.30 08:44:00 -
[56]
Edited by: M4sterm1nd on 30/04/2007 08:41:07
> cls
Sig kitten butchered, courtesy of ReverendM
To learn more about sig slaughter, mail to [email protected] today!
They also provide services in pink! |
Khalm
Amarr
Financial Removal
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Posted - 2007.04.30 08:59:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Khalm on 30/04/2007 08:55:44
SERIOUSLY guys, get your act together. This is starting to look like world of warcraft forums.
And to the guy who started the thread...
Go freaking nerf your self and quit playing imo.
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Haks'he Lirky
Zombie Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.30 09:04:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Fable Hike
A correctly passive tanked drake with only T2 mods will tank as well as any faction gist setup drake, only the t2 drake mods cost about 5m each and the faction drakes mods cost several hundred million.
Doesn't anyone else see a problem with this? Passive tanking with T2 mods is as powerful as any expensive faction fitted shield booster setup ship. It's ridiculous and something needs to change. Passive tanking is far to powerful.
CCP doesnt decide the price for faction mods it's the market, if the usage of said faction mods becomes less viable then the price will adjust it self? right?
Why should CCP balance equipment based on market values and trends?
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Kunming
Outcasts
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Posted - 2007.04.30 09:13:00 -
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Its not about the drake u god damn blind caldari lobby!! Its about passive tanks, fit that passive tank on a myrmidon and go scream "OMGNERFGALLENTE!!1one!1". The ship is supposed to be ace at armor tanking as its bonus indicates, having a better passive shield tank only proves that passive shield tanking is more powerful than a bonus enhanced active armor tank.
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Ilea Celentay
Veiled Justice
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Posted - 2007.04.30 09:38:00 -
[60]
I hate drakes!
I couldn't beat a passive drake with my Hurricane using EMP ammo last night, it made me sad...
I agree with the OP, Nerf the drake!
(I do hate Drakes, since I can only take newbi pilots out in one with my T1 Hurricane, but if you can't tell there is sarcasm in my post)
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