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Kassidus Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2007.04.30 01:46:00 - [1] Now this is just my opinion disagree if you like it wont hurt my feelings, But I think One of the Biggest and most important problems in EVE is alts. Theres 2 types of alts, The ones for rich people (second accounts) and the ones for poor people (Second Characters) Both Cause huge issues in EVE. Second accounts are probably one of the bigger issues, it allows people with more money to gain an unfair advantage over other players, they have the ability by using multiiple accounts to bypass many game rules and alot of the game mechanics Example soloing in a carrier is not possible if you only have 1 account, if you can afford a Cyno alt you now have bypassed the intended design of the game (in my opinion that sounds like an exploit). Another issue is with scamming, It seems every person in EVE has a Scaming alt now, if there were no alts there would be virtually now scamming in eve, you would scam someone and become instantly blackballed and eventually quit eve cause you wouldnt be able to do anything, but instead people just scam away and make more alts. Wars and pvp are drastically effected by alts you can use an alt to move goods, you can use a alt to sit at a gate and provide intel you can use a alt as bait you can use multiple accounts and always have a wingman able to follow your exact orders and fill exact roles without the problems associated with team comunication. Basically you name it and alts have effected all of eve drastically and for the worst. I dont know what can be done about multiple accounts, I doubt CCP would do anything about it cause they make assloads of money, But a Family feature could be added to EVE that could correct this and make eve alot more interesting. Make an account , pick a first and last name , finish character creation, if you want another character you pick a first name last name carries over from the original so all of your alts will be linked by ancestory. The only way to fix multiple accounts is to have ccp link multiple accounts if its to the same household in the same manner so once someone creats an eve account all other accounts and characters will always be under that same fictional last name. all names wwouldnt have to change, just under your character description it would show a family name. Anyways just an idea if a bit long winded :)
Ilkin Kaptan	Posted - 2007.04.30 01:48:00 - [2] Edited by: Ilkin Kaptan on 30/04/2007 01:49:46 Edited by: Ilkin Kaptan on 30/04/2007 01:44:52 go away. . . seriously. . . just go. Go play WoW, stop posting this whiny stuff about alts. Every single MMO has had alts/mules, whatever. Just realize it will never happen, no company is going to stop people from having extra accounts. CCP hold up a sec, you can't possibly let people pay more money to you to play this game. That's just not right! Let's come up with a new an interesting way to invade player's privacy to lock down their ability to buy extra accounts, and experience all aspects of the game with multiple characters. CCP did a pretty good job of forcing people to make a hard choice about having second accounts, only one skill trainable per account. It's a nice balanced solution. If you want to pay more to experience more of the game, you can. Yes, this is an alt, but my main fully endorses this post.
Kassidus Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2007.04.30 01:50:00 - [3] Originally by: Ilkin Kaptan Edited by: Ilkin Kaptan on 30/04/2007 01:44:52 go away. seriously. CCP hold up a sec, you can't possibly let people pay more money to you to play this game. That's just not right! You didnt even read what i said, Im so gonna pod you.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.04.30 01:52:00 - [4] Not another alt post.. This has been posted about many times. People know the issues. Their stance on alts isn't going to change. Specifically, the poor people's second character alts are there on purpose. Also, there are no scams. Only people who aren't careful. Any -real- scam, one that exploits a bug, is reportable. Anything else is darwinism. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - ISD will never find me... In my signature!
Leonardo Sabrioski Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.30 01:56:00 - [5] I dunno man, money is pretty enticing if ccp ever decides to ban second accounts and second characters is the day that they decide to shut EVE's server's down. Considering that I would bet half of EVE's population of registered accounts is an alt account ----------------------------------------------
Ilkin Kaptan	Posted - 2007.04.30 01:56:00 - [6] Originally by: Kassidus Originally by: Ilkin Kaptan Edited by: Ilkin Kaptan on 30/04/2007 01:44:52 go away. seriously. CCP hold up a sec, you can't possibly let people pay more money to you to play this game. That's just not right! You didnt even read what i said, Im so gonna pod you. Bring it :) And no, I didn't read the post at first. that is why the edit. I saw 'oh noes, ban alt's' in the thread title and I decided to come in and throw poo at you. I incesant whining about stupid stuff, constantly. Plus I am in a really bad mood because I have so many characters logged in at once, I may have crashed a node.
Aldir Rundal Gallente The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus	Posted - 2007.04.30 01:56:00 - [7] Here we go again. Recruiting
Kassidus Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2007.04.30 01:58:00 - [8] I never said ban alts, I just beleive there needs to be some kind of accountability between alts and accounts there to easy to hide behind, and I only make *****ing posts when i get real bored, which is like once every couple weeks so get over it. And my point is valid.
Ilkin Kaptan	Posted - 2007.04.30 02:06:00 - [9] Originally by: Kassidus And my point is valid. lol. The validity of your point is questionable at best.
Kassidus Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2007.04.30 02:22:00 - [10] Originally by: Ilkin Kaptan Originally by: Kassidus And my point is valid. lol. The validity of your point is questionable at best. Says the man behind the curtain.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.04.30 02:26:00 - [11] I believe the purpose of the poor man's alt is to represent that his character has friends, even if the guy himself doesn't. The man in the eve universe gets two loyal cronies who'll do his bidding. Childhood buddies or something. Rich man alts are lame imo but hey, if you're dedicated and willing to spend the money, go ahead. I'll pwn you with my one account. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - ISD will never find me... In my signature!
Pooka Caldari United Space Aillance USA	Posted - 2007.04.30 02:46:00 - [12] Edited by: Pooka on 30/04/2007 02:44:33 Edited by: Pooka on 30/04/2007 02:44:11 Like the caveman said... WHAT?? "Second accounts are probably one of the bigger issues, it allows people with more money to gain an unfair advantage over other players, they have the ability by using multiiple accounts to bypass many game rules and alot of the game mechanics" What "game rules" and speaking of "assloads" pull your head out. PROMISES MADE PROMISES KEPT WALK THE WALK AND TALK THE TALK
Selnix Gallente Master Miners Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.30 02:53:00 - [13] Sounds like someone is unhappy that whatever mission runner they are camping into a station has an alt they can go play on with a completely unrelated name and in a different corp so their day isn't a total loss. Honestly, what is so bad about wanting to be able to experience PVP with a character and not have to worry about training carebear skills on it while it could be training PVP skills just so it can afford ship losses and the like? And in the case of carriers, yes, my alt is training for them... Why? Because the alt will be able to fly one long before this character could solely because there is just too much other stuff that I want to be able to do with the main. You also might want to consider that you can't, with any vague hope of being even moderately efficient, train one character to do everything you might want to try. You start down a path from the first click of the mouse and once you finish the character generation, your path is set. Set up a character as an industrialist with good memory and intelligence attributes and your perception will likely be so abominable that the mere thought of training a full tree of gunnery, spaceship command, or navigation skills will make your eyes bleed. Set up a full-on PVP character and your Charisma will usually be almost non-existant, making leadership skills a true nightmare. If you think people that can afford to do otherwise are going to spend months if not years waiting for skills to train for the ability to do something that they may not even end up enjoying, then you are horribly misguided.
Craig Ankers Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.30 02:59:00 - [14] 2 is just manageable, dont hit 3 u will regret....... Theres so many other issues apart from alts that need attention on your topic...... Regards Craig Ankers Former COO - Si-Fi Si-Fi Website
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.30 04:19:00 - [15] while I do agree that having multiple accounts affects the game tomake it probably less fun for all involved overall what amI supposed todoI now have 3 active accounts and Idon;ntsee myself gettingrid of them anytime soon and just think over 50% of accounts areprobbaly secondaccounts without them ccp would be poor. I was always thougha one accountguy thats how I wanted it, I gopt stuck with second chacrter whenafriend had to suddenly leave game andIhad totake overhis character, he came back about 8 months later when I was used to 2 chacrters and of course I transferred it right backto him butmissed my extra accountso made another only for his GF tobar hhim from eve again meaning I tookback the charcter but then I had 3. Join The Fight With Promo Today
Celestal	Posted - 2007.04.30 04:29:00 - [16] You know its absolutely terrible that people with more money can drive ferraris and those with less can only drive fords , I mean lets change life totally and make earning more money mean that we can only buy crappier things , /////////////heck I know , I can sell the op a clue for 100 mill isks
Cute EvEGirl	Posted - 2007.04.30 04:43:00 - [17] As a carebearer I want to say your idea is pretty dumb. Alt account (second paid account)is good for business. If a member wants to sign up 5 accounts, that can only be a win win for us all. How can you limit people from paying? Ok, now I do have a problem with those characters and 14-day trail account have the ability to war'dec anyone from birth. The solution is to make price higher like 10 mils per da, vice 2 mils. Ok now I am off the subject... let me get back. OP recommendation is horrible for business--
Lowanaera Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.04.30 04:51:00 - [18] It would take something like 23 years to train every single skill in the game to V. Having more than one account is the only way to experience multiple facets of Eve in a reasonable time frame.
Ikki Phoenix Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.04.30 05:02:00 - [19] I think alts in war situations are necessary. It is the closest we can come to spies
Chewan Mesa coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.30 07:21:00 - [20] Yeah, 150mil for a GTC for a 2nd account are really just something for the UBER rich people...no kidding.
Nero Scuro	Posted - 2007.04.30 07:27:00 - [21] Legitimate idea is suggested, legitimate idea takes money away from CCP, CCP are money-*****s and won't do it, dumb-asses flame topic because that's what dumb-asses do. Try Darkfall when it comes out, I believe it's taking a SCS stance (Single Character per Server).
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 1 Shot 1 Kill	Posted - 2007.04.30 07:29:00 - [22] Hmz. I'd like to post something about this subject but its gonna be hard without looking like me boasting about my sccounts/skills. Okay, on an alt then. I've got 3 paid accounts and 2 decent computers set up next to each other - this allows me to play 2 accounts at a time resulting in alot of powerful combinations i can make (recon + BS gank, carrier + BS tanker etc.), however, Eve PVP is intensive, very intensive and more often than not have i made small mistakes that cost me a win or even killed me. It's by no means an easy job to do but it adds to the suspense of the game and it keeps me busy Sooo..i guess you could call this one extremity. It's not giving me any real advantage or things that any other two-player team could not do - and its often even worse because im just human and multitasking 2 eve accounts is very, very intensive. COAD: OMG bob post flame flame flame Kieron: DIE ban OMG bobdevs! log-in alt flame flame flame
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.04.30 07:37:00 - [23] Originally by: Kassidus You didnt even read what i said, Im so gonna pod you. rofl. ___________ Muuuhhh !!!
Heroldyn	Posted - 2007.04.30 07:41:00 - [24] Quote: Second accounts are probably one of the bigger issues, it allows people with more money to gain an unfair advantage over other players i stopped reading your post there. do you know all the unfair advantages people with more time than others gain ? maybe we should go the china-idea and restrict the max. playing time to 3 hours a day ?
Bill Andrex The Dark Horses	Posted - 2007.04.30 07:42:00 - [25] So when you quit EvE because of all the Alts... Can I have your stuff?
Chewan Mesa coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.30 08:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Nero Scuro Legitimate idea is suggested, legitimate idea takes money away from CCP, CCP are money-*****s and won't do it, dumb-asses flame topic because that's what dumb-asses do. Try Darkfall when it comes out, I believe it's taking a SCS stance (Single Character per Server). Heh, so you're one of those "Anyone NOT agreeing with the OP is a 5 year old smacktalking idiot who doesnt have a clue! Only the OP is right!" kind of guy?
D'ranged	Posted - 2007.04.30 08:20:00 - [27] Originally by: Kassidus You didnt even read what i said, Im so gonna pod you. and folks use alts to post because.......
Kion Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.04.30 08:45:00 - [28] TomB not long after Eve started stated CCP biggist mistake was in allowing alts, it distorts gameplay. They did not change it then and they are not gonna do in now! So don't bother crying about it Kion
ry ry StateCorp	Posted - 2007.04.30 08:46:00 - [29] i have 2 accounts, my original character and this one. they're both different, and if i fancy flying a different type of ship or something i'll log one or the other in. how am i cheating? I'd just consider it 'having fun playing a computer game' which is all good in my book.
Anson Halleck Lost Eden	Posted - 2007.04.30 08:47:00 - [30] @OP Everyone can afford second account. If you can't make 150M per month to spend on second account, then you are doing something wrong. Same 2nd name could work with alts, but not with second accounts. How would you track it? It is impossible, many ppl have more than one credit card, or many ppl can share same IP address. There is no way to say which accounts should be linked together. In conlusion, this is not a problem and even if it was, there is no solution for it.

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