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Tista	Posted - 2007.05.01 22:35:00 - [1] basicly the same as teir 2 but they are a rank 5 skill and require the teir 2 to lvl 4, since there are so many skills in eve it's quite hard to cover the lot in 10 years.. and i dont mean all to 5 i mean able to fly all races, and use other stuff, with 5 more att points it would reduce it by about 2 years or so -------------------- "this is the templar fighter used by carriers" Originaly quoted by Shania Eria.
Tista	Posted - 2007.05.01 22:37:00 - [2] heh forgot to add the point of the thread, i wanted to ask for everyone's opinions on it, personaly i think it's a good idea since it wont make everything insta trainable but it will make it a lil bit faster. -------------------- "this is the templar fighter used by carriers" Originaly quoted by Shania Eria.
Bistot Kid The First Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.05.01 22:40:00 - [3] Hmm, not sure about that. Where does it all end? Tier 4? 5? However, they should give everyone one point to add to whatever skill they like, on the birthday of their character. That would not be excessive, even the real long timers would only have 4 points more. (4 years is about the longest anyone's been playing, yes?) ------------------------------------- Hold my calls and sack my cook -------------------------------------
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.05.01 22:41:00 - [4] I'm sure someone will pop in at some point to point out how painfully long these would take to pay off. - You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means
Alora Venoda Caldari GalTech	Posted - 2007.05.01 22:42:00 - [5] how about if the skills were only obtainable from exploration sites :) ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.05.01 22:42:00 - [6] Frankly that should be doable, but let the tier 3 require both tier 1 and 2 to level 5. That way you can tell the hardcore players from the oh cool, now i can just max them all out type of guys.. In other words, it will make you think if you want to make the investment in time and lack of training of other skills, yet if you decide to devote and put the effort, here you go, you get extra learning points..
Tista	Posted - 2007.05.01 22:43:00 - [7] well dont forget you dont need to do lvl 5 in them like the teir 2 set, but some do it takes about 2 years to work off. -------------------- "this is the templar fighter used by carriers" Originaly quoted by Shania Eria.
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.05.01 22:47:00 - [8] Originally by: Tista well dont forget you dont need to do lvl 5 in them like the teir 2 set, but some do it takes about 2 years to work off. well that's exactly my point, the new ones Should take the need to lvl 5 the previous one. This will make a lot of players think twice. and again for those who think twice, and three times and still want to devote the time, here you go.. what's the point of adding learining skills that do the same if you haven't mastered the previous tiers? it's like adding a rof skill that will require only lvl 5 or having all specialized skills require only lvl 5 on tier 1.. if you get my point.. i think tier 3 should pay off for the time a player has taken to master the previous two levels. And if someone complains it takes them too long? well don't train them.. noone is putting a gun to your head :)
Tista	Posted - 2007.05.01 22:49:00 - [9] heh good thing im training mine to 5 right now then:D 2 days 6 hours for lvl 5 teir 2 memory -------------------- "this is the templar fighter used by carriers" Originaly quoted by Shania Eria.
Rodge Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.01 23:02:00 - [10] Very unlikely to happen, since the devs kinda regret even putting the advanced learnings in. Still, I'd love it. Seeing as how all 4 of my characters have either 3 or 4 of the advanced learning skills to 5 already. They'll payoff eventually, even without another tier of learning skills Sig inappropriate-not eve related -Abdalion [ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
Fader Bane Black Knight Buccaneers Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.01 23:04:00 - [11] Edited by: Fader Bane on 01/05/2007 23:01:15 learning skill are already one of the biggest times sinks in the game. i dearly hope that more are not added. although i am surprised that there is no tier 2 generic learning skill.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.01 23:11:00 - [12] not a good idea unless their price hovers no higher than double the tier 2 ... ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
testicus	Posted - 2007.05.01 23:17:00 - [13] Originally by: Rodge Very unlikely to happen, since the devs kinda regret even putting the advanced learnings in. As if a member of BoB would have inside knowledge about the devs thoughts on this, or indeed any matter!
Tista	Posted - 2007.05.01 23:22:00 - [14] Originally by: testicus Originally by: Rodge Very unlikely to happen, since the devs kinda regret even putting the advanced learnings in. As if a member of BoB would have inside knowledge about the devs thoughts on this, or indeed any matter! -------------------- "this is the templar fighter used by carriers" Originaly quoted by Shania Eria.
Del Narveux Obsidian Angels Enterprises	Posted - 2007.05.01 23:48:00 - [15] Better idea, just stop adding more and more skills, aside from miniprofessions I think we have more than enough to base new items on. Sure this means older players will max out on skills eventually, but how is this a bad thing? Eve isnt supposed to be a grind MMOG. _________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? Originally by: Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
Tista	Posted - 2007.05.01 23:55:00 - [16] Originally by: Del Narveux Eve isnt supposed to be a grind MMOG. it is a grind in that if you want to be good you gota wait 3 months to do it:P -------------------- "this is the templar fighter used by carriers" Originaly quoted by Shania Eria.
Alora Venoda Caldari GalTech	Posted - 2007.05.02 00:04:00 - [17] Originally by: Fader Bane Edited by: Fader Bane on 01/05/2007 23:01:15 learning skill are already one of the biggest times sinks in the game. i dearly hope that more are not added. although i am surprised that there is no tier 2 generic learning skill. lol, just look at astrogeology V. without any learning skills, that would have taken me almost 30 days to train and now it only takes 12 :) i think the savings in that one skill alone made up for all the tier 1 learning skills. and that is only a rank 3 skill... ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
Dread Operative Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.05.02 00:10:00 - [18] No more learning skills. Yes more combat skills.
Marquis Dean Energy. Insurgency	Posted - 2007.05.02 01:28:00 - [19] Adding more 'must train first' skills to Eve will not make for a satisfying first few months for new players. --- Originally by: Tista i dont like you much but i'm going to agree with you on that.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.05.02 01:30:00 - [20] No more learning skills. Yes more skills period. It's fine how it is. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - ISD will never find me... In my signature! BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.05.02 01:33:00 - [21] Bad idea, because it gives older players an advantage in skill training time vs. newer players. If anything EVE is designed to do the opposite. <sig> IBTL! IBDS! IBTC! 1st in a BoB Post! And other such forum tom-foolery. Join my Corporation! Can I lock sigs for tom-follery? - Ductoris
Destr0math Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.05.02 01:42:00 - [22] no thanks, learning skills are stupid anyway...either just give them to everyone to start off with, or don't have them - don't reward people who have alt accounts just so they can train all the learning skills up, a few other ones, and then sell for billions of isk b/c the buyer CBA to do it all themselves. ---- Today is CATURDAY
Boomhaur Minmatar	Posted - 2007.05.02 01:56:00 - [23] Personally I'd like to see the learning skills disapear completely, its a big time sink. And the skill level of skills drop down appropriately. Would be something that be nice, but I doubt it ever happen. Dude that Scammer just ninja'ed that Carebare's wallet!!
Leonardo Sabrioski Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.05.02 02:03:00 - [24] Originally by: Tarminic Bad idea, because it gives older players an advantage in skill training time vs. newer players. If anything EVE is designed to do the opposite. Older players generally have more accounts and pay much more to CCP (those die hard fans who do nothing but sit around EVE all day ) Newer Players have more of an edge compared to those who started off a few years ago. Example: Revelations patch, all characters start at 800k sp (I started off with 30k ) However I still disapprove of learning skills, like said here, its a time sink that is stupid on all levels. One thing I'd like to see happen is put a bonus or partial bonus to learning skills. Such as Will power would get +1% tracking per level, or something like that. Learning skills are one of the paths that kill off a lot of new players. Just because it has no instant effect other than skill point training. ----------------------------------------------
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.02 03:08:00 - [25] NO.MORE.TIME.SINK.SKILLS! Originally by: Benglada And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2007.05.02 03:09:00 - [26] Edited by: Siege on 02/05/2007 03:06:03 Originally by: Tista basicly the same as teir 2 but they are a rank 5 skill and require the teir 2 to lvl 4, since there are so many skills in eve it's quite hard to cover the lot in 10 years.. and i dont mean all to 5 i mean able to fly all races, and use other stuff, with 5 more att points it would reduce it by about 2 years or so What an extra 15 points +10% on each skill isn't enough for you? You already get the basic learning skills for +5 to each attribute Advanced learning skills for another +5 The "Learning" skill for another 10% Then +5 implants for ANOTHER 5 points. This doesn't even include your base skills that they are added on top of. The point of having 440 million skillpoints of skills available isn't so you can get them all, it's kinda supposed to be untrainable to get that far, so you have to decide what you DO want to do.
glype	Posted - 2007.05.02 03:12:00 - [27] I like the idea of teir 3 learning skills ,or at least tier 2 gen learning skill Maybe have them as an LP reward?
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.02 03:18:00 - [28] TBFH they should give everyone maxed attributes with the learning skills ontop of their base attributes and give everyone 1.8-2+ mil sps back to train something usefull. Spending at least a month training skills that only make you train faster as the first thing you need to do in Eve is a crock of ** and always has been. Originally by:** Benglada And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
Anika MonSulu Gallente DROW Org	Posted - 2007.05.02 03:22:00 - [29] knocks off a whole 2 years of training? But it takes 5 years to get the skills up high right? lol Because I can. :\|
Zilkin Amarr adeptus gattacus Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.05.02 03:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr TBFH they should give everyone maxed attributes with the learning skills ontop of their base attributes and give everyone 1.8-2+ mil sps back to train something usefull. Spending at least a month training skills that only make you train faster as the first thing you need to do in Eve is a crock of **** and always has been. /Signed

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