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Christina Vallentine Caldari Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.02 03:41:00 - [31] I would be happier if they just added a tier 2 of the skill "learning" the first one added 2% per rank... why not have another after it doing the same, what people in eve dont go for Masters/phd's?
Christina Vallentine Caldari Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.02 03:44:00 - [32] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr TBFH they should give everyone maxed attributes with the learning skills ontop of their base attributes and give everyone 1.8-2+ mil sps back to train something usefull. Spending at least a month training skills that only make you train faster as the first thing you need to do in Eve is a crock of **** and always has been. I have almost 5 million skill points in the learning tree => and yeah I agree with this post. I spent the first 3 months of my game play learning,, learning, and running around in a destroyer with level 1 gunnery. It sucked.
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.02 04:00:00 - [33] Originally by: Christina Vallentine Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr TBFH they should give everyone maxed attributes with the learning skills ontop of their base attributes and give everyone 1.8-2+ mil sps back to train something usefull. Spending at least a month training skills that only make you train faster as the first thing you need to do in Eve is a crock of **** and always has been. I have almost 5 million skill points in the learning tree => and yeah I agree with this post. I spent the first 3 months of my game play learning,, learning, and running around in a destroyer with level 1 gunnery. It sucked. 5 million SP in learning means you trained most of the advanced ones to level 5... and that takes about a decade to pay off... ------------------------- Sigs are for noobs.
Kasilof	Posted - 2007.05.02 04:06:00 - [34] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr TBFH they should give everyone maxed attributes with the learning skills ontop of their base attributes and give everyone 1.8-2+ mil sps back to train something usefull. Spending at least a month training skills that only make you train faster as the first thing you need to do in Eve is a crock of **** and always has been. /signed. As a new palyer I almost quit the game after I discovered it was really almost neccessary to not play and just train learning skill for the first month. The learning skills chased away a freind that started when I did. He wanted to play the game.
Unkotaro	Posted - 2007.05.02 06:04:00 - [35] I was thinking more like they should give everyone the right to pick both their starting stats from scratch and the skills they want - i.e. give players 80,000 points and say have a ball.
Chewan Mesa coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.02 06:30:00 - [36] Edited by: Chewan Mesa on 02/05/2007 06:28:40 Originally by: Del Narveux Better idea, just stop adding more and more skills, aside from miniprofessions I think we have more than enough to base new items on. Sure this means older players will max out on skills eventually, but how is this a bad thing? Eve isnt supposed to be a grind MMOG. Skills training automatically over time \|= grind. And yes, maxed out older players is a bad thing, for everyone else, and for themselves because they dont ahve anything to train anymore at some point. Originally by: Kasilof /signed. As a new palyer I almost quit the game after I discovered it was really almost neccessary to not play and just train learning skill for the first month. The learning skills chased away a freind that started when I did. He wanted to play the game. Thats because there are people running around telling every new player "omg spend a month only training and stay docked!". Its totally viable, since skills in the early stages take very little time, to get your frigs and gun/missile skills up to a lvl you can do missions/pvp with, and THEN start training the learning skills. I didnt train them fully for 2 months or so, dont really regret it, its the only way imho to train longer skills, to be sure you have something to do in the meantime.
Ash Vincetti Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.05.02 06:51:00 - [37] Originally by: "Tista" basicly the same as teir 2 but they are a rank 5 skill and require the teir 2 to lvl 4, since there are so many skills in eve it's quite hard to cover the lot in 10 years.. and i dont mean all to 5 i mean able to fly all races, and use other stuff, with 5 more att points it would reduce it by about 2 years or so They are called implants, and you can get up to an extra +5 in your chosen "Attribute". -----
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.05.02 06:56:00 - [38] just an advanced version of the plain "learning" skill, plz - more bang for the buck, in-line with the current learning set, helps everybody equally
KentachiSamurai g guild	Posted - 2007.05.02 07:31:00 - [39] Please... no more learning skills, why do people keep suggesting this?
Heriom UNITED KINGDOM MAYHEM THE V I G I L	Posted - 2007.05.02 07:45:00 - [40] Boooo to learning skills. We need hand to hand combat skills for when we go avatar walkies. No longer will pirates be able to stay docked and be safe. Tekken style fighting in the station is a must.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.02 08:09:00 - [41] IMO learning skills are one of the biggest mistakes in EVE. Why? because they're 'must have'. OK, maybe the charisma one isn't, but you get the point. No one in EVE, can afford to give up the 8 points of stats represented by learning and advanced learnings to 4. Or hell, even when you had to train the basics to 5 first. And ... unlike all the other skills in EVE, it's just a plain and simple time sink, that all the vets have already trained, and that all the newbs hate because they pretty much have to. I think, rather than tier 3, they should instead bin the whole lot, and give everyone 11 more stat points (skills at 5 + learning 5). Or hell, just take them away entirely, although that'd trigger mountainous waves of whinging.
Malcanis High4Life	Posted - 2007.05.02 08:11:00 - [42] Originally by: Crumplecorn I'm sure someone will pop in at some point to point out how painfully long these would take to pay off. Not really; getting a rank 5 skill to level 3 only takes a day; 2 days training to get an extra 4.5 SP per minute wouldn't take all that long to pay off.
Malcanis High4Life	Posted - 2007.05.02 08:13:00 - [43] Originally by: Kasilof Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr TBFH they should give everyone maxed attributes with the learning skills ontop of their base attributes and give everyone 1.8-2+ mil sps back to train something usefull. Spending at least a month training skills that only make you train faster as the first thing you need to do in Eve is a crock of **** and always has been. /signed. As a new palyer I almost quit the game after I discovered it was really almost neccessary to not play and just train learning skill for the first month. The learning skills chased away a freind that started when I did. He wanted to play the game. Huh, at least you started with 800k SP, including one learning skill to 4, right? It took me a month to get to the starting point that almost made you quit... ...so you can imagine how much sympathy I feel for you & yr friend
Malcanis High4Life	Posted - 2007.05.02 08:23:00 - [44] Originally by: Roemy Schneider just an advanced version of the plain "learning" skill, plz - more bang for the buck, in-line with the current learning set, helps everybody equally The least worst idea. New learning skills help new players, btw, since they acquire them early on in their career. But a month of learning before you can get serious is a large barrier... but perhaps it seves a useful purpose in weeding out the very impatient from playing EVE. Patience is a primary virtue in this game.
DarkFenix Caldari Pilots Of Honour	Posted - 2007.05.02 08:36:00 - [45] Tier 3 learning skills? No. Just no. Tier 2 variant of the "Learning" skill? Yes. It's in line with other existing skills, wouldn't take too long to train, and gives a nice small across-the-board bonus to all character types' skill training. Newbies complaining about having to train learning skills? Horsesh*t. Newbies have never had it so good, they start with a headstart on learning skills and a total of 800k SP. And what's this talk about having to spend a month training learning skills? Who says you have to train them all back to back immediately? I didn't. First thing I trained up for was a cruiser and its armament. When I had the capability to have fun in Eve, THEN I trained up learning skills. This isn't a skillpoint race. It's a game. Games are for having fun, try keeping that in mind and you'll enjoy it a bit more.
sorilin Amarr Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 08:50:00 - [46] whiners!!! learning skills are ok... but they should make em more interesting.. like sugested... each learning skill should add something also to the role it is in! I am the borg!
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.02 08:56:00 - [47] Originally by: Kasilof As a new palyer I almost quit the game after I discovered it was really almost neccessary to not play and just train learning skill for the first month. wtf? how is it necessary? what will you lose if you dont train JUST learning skills in the first month ? how does it make you want to quit ? is it because you cant train OMFGBBQPWN skills as fast as possible while at the same time having fun ? i dont get it its not like you arent already behind the lifelong eve players... Quote: The learning skills chased away a freind that started when I did. He wanted to play the game. ill call BS on that - then he would have trained the skills he needed and played- if he told you those skills were the reason he was BSING you and never wanted to play at all i know someone who quit cause they had to train a skill to level 1 with no other prerequisites - do you think that was the real reason? ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.02 08:58:00 - [48] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr NO.MORE.TIME.SINK.SKILLS! Quoted for Emphasis!
Tista	Posted - 2007.05.02 09:05:00 - [49] Originally by: Ash Vincetti Originally by: "Tista" basicly the same as teir 2 but they are a rank 5 skill and require the teir 2 to lvl 4, since there are so many skills in eve it's quite hard to cover the lot in 10 years.. and i dont mean all to 5 i mean able to fly all races, and use other stuff, with 5 more att points it would reduce it by about 2 years or so They are called implants, and you can get up to an extra +5 in your chosen "Attribute". well Mr smart arse, i already have +5 implants and all my att are balancing on 23-27... what i want is to extend that and go onto 30-35 att. -------------------- "this is the templar fighter used by carriers" Originaly quoted by Shania Eria.
Tista	Posted - 2007.05.02 09:06:00 - [50] Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Kasilof As a new palyer I almost quit the game after I discovered it was really almost neccessary to not play and just train learning skill for the first month. wtf? how is it necessary? what will you lose if you dont train JUST learning skills in the first month ? how does it make you want to quit ? is it because you cant train OMFGBBQPWN skills as fast as possible while at the same time having fun ? i dont get it its not like you arent already behind the lifelong eve players... Quote: The learning skills chased away a freind that started when I did. He wanted to play the game. ill call BS on that - then he would have trained the skills he needed and played- if he told you those skills were the reason he was BSING you and never wanted to play at all i know someone who quit cause they had to train a skill to level 1 with no other prerequisites - do you think that was the real reason? when i made my 2nd char the first thing i did was ignore learnings past lvl 4 ( back in the day when advanced needed 5) and it was the biggest mistake i've made in eve so far. -------------------- "this is the templar fighter used by carriers" Originaly quoted by Shania Eria.
Voculus E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.02 09:17:00 - [51] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr TBFH they should give everyone maxed attributes with the learning skills ontop of their base attributes and give everyone 1.8-2+ mil sps back to train something usefull. Spending at least a month training skills that only make you train faster as the first thing you need to do in Eve is a crock of **** and always has been. Co-sign. Learning to learn is the crappiest, most wasteful timesink in this game, and that garbage should have been expunged from the game a long time ago. _________________________________________________________
Cipher7 Keepers of the Holy Bagel SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 09:23:00 - [52] Yeah that'll improve Eve, lets just keep adding skills. Lets have tier 3 gunnery so I can instapop your battleship in my Tempest. You know what would be an improvement? Evemon without having to use a third-party product. A skillque. Less lag. Some kind of probe that burns through cloaking, to catch chinese farmers and cloaked idlers who sit in a system 23x7. Those are things that would actually improve the game, not "yeah lets have another 9 months of training learning skills." It wasnt fun doing the tier 1's. It wasnt fun doing the tier 2's. It sure as hell wont be fun doing the tier 3's, but if they came out we'd all have do them to keep up with the SP generation curve.
DarkFenix Caldari Pilots Of Honour	Posted - 2007.05.02 10:04:00 - [53] Originally by: Tista Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Kasilof As a new palyer I almost quit the game after I discovered it was really almost neccessary to not play and just train learning skill for the first month. wtf? how is it necessary? what will you lose if you dont train JUST learning skills in the first month ? how does it make you want to quit ? is it because you cant train OMFGBBQPWN skills as fast as possible while at the same time having fun ? i dont get it its not like you arent already behind the lifelong eve players... Quote: The learning skills chased away a freind that started when I did. He wanted to play the game. ill call BS on that - then he would have trained the skills he needed and played- if he told you those skills were the reason he was BSING you and never wanted to play at all i know someone who quit cause they had to train a skill to level 1 with no other prerequisites - do you think that was the real reason? when i made my 2nd char the first thing i did was ignore learnings past lvl 4 ( back in the day when advanced needed 5) and it was the biggest mistake i've made in eve so far. Then you're a fool. Massive time investment in learning skills is not an immediate mandatory requirement. If you think it is then you're entirely missing the point of the game. This. Is. Not. A. Skillpoint. Race. You don't have to have OMGWTFBBQ skillpoints/hour to have fun, but I guess it must wound your ego not to have more SP/hour than all your friends.
Teron D'Amun Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.05.02 10:33:00 - [54] Originally by: KentachiSamurai Please... no more learning skills, why do people keep suggesting this? because they can't imagine alternatives in forms such as blue pills or one-time use implants that add an X amount of learning points to a specific or chosen skill like in matrix, when neo "learned" how to fight or when trinity uploaded "helicopter flying 101"
Tista	Posted - 2007.05.02 10:35:00 - [55] Originally by: DarkFenix Originally by: Tista Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Kasilof As a new palyer I almost quit the game after I discovered it was really almost neccessary to not play and just train learning skill for the first month. wtf? how is it necessary? what will you lose if you dont train JUST learning skills in the first month ? how does it make you want to quit ? is it because you cant train OMFGBBQPWN skills as fast as possible while at the same time having fun ? i dont get it its not like you arent already behind the lifelong eve players... Quote: The learning skills chased away a freind that started when I did. He wanted to play the game. ill call BS on that - then he would have trained the skills he needed and played- if he told you those skills were the reason he was BSING you and never wanted to play at all i know someone who quit cause they had to train a skill to level 1 with no other prerequisites - do you think that was the real reason? when i made my 2nd char the first thing i did was ignore learnings past lvl 4 ( back in the day when advanced needed 5) and it was the biggest mistake i've made in eve so far. Then you're a fool. Massive time investment in learning skills is not an immediate mandatory requirement. If you think it is then you're entirely missing the point of the game. This. Is. Not. A. Skillpoint. Race. You don't have to have OMGWTFBBQ skillpoints/hour to have fun, but I guess it must wound your ego not to have more SP/hour than all your friends. i think A you need to calm the **** down. and B if you want to play this game with any hope of achieving your maximum potential then yes you need to train the learning skills as early as possible. It's not about ego.. or e-peen or anything big... it's about being able to fly the ships you want faster than 3 months waiting. so stfu u noob. -------------------- "this is the templar fighter used by carriers" Originaly quoted by Shania Eria.
Cipher7 Keepers of the Holy Bagel SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 10:37:00 - [56] Originally by: DarkFenix Then you're a fool. Massive time investment in learning skills is not an immediate mandatory requirement. If you think it is then you're entirely missing the point of the game. This. Is. Not. A. Skillpoint. Race. You don't have to have OMGWTFBBQ skillpoints/hour to have fun, but I guess it must wound your ego not to have more SP/hour than all your friends. If CCP creates a way to generate X number of SP/hr then it will also create places for this SP to go. That means there will be more gunnery skills, more nav skills, more more more. They not just gonna give you Percetion tier 3 and leave the same gunnery specialization, they will have new skills to take advantage of tier 3. So if you are specialized in ANY thing, be it gunnery, science, mining, etc, if they make tier 3 learning skills, there will also be new skills for you to learn to compete with your peers. Or you are going to be like the guy mining in cruiser vs a guy mining in a barge, he is going to make more money than you, buy T2 BPO's earlier than you, produce ships earlier than you, and generally become a trillionnaire earlier than you. If you are content to fly around and look at the pretty pictures, you dont need top learning skills. If your goal is galactic conquest, then you need top notch SP generation.
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.02 11:22:00 - [57] I would be Happy with the Tier 2 learning skill and that is it. To people moaning about vets having the advantage with learning skills, back then we needed the tier 1 skills on 5 to do the tier 2 skills(now that was a time sink). We also didnt start with such nice SP like you do today. Originally by: Rawne Karrde PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.
Lin Dei Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2007.05.02 15:40:00 - [58] I for one would welcome tier 3 learning skills. People who say it's a time sink simply don't get it. You end up SAVING time after training them. They are time savers not time sinks. The more time you save, the more combat/industry/science skills you can train and the better you get. Skill times for me have been halved with the learning skills, which means I'm training twice as fast as someone with no learning skills. And you don't have to learn them all from the start. I did the basics to level 4 when I first started, then trained more so-called "usefull" skills for another two months before training up to advanced level 4 (and that's with level 5 tier 1 learning skills). Now after almost a year I'm bringing my advanced learning skills to level 5. I say bring in new learning skills. People don't have to train them immidiatly, take your time. Either that or a tier 2 learning skill that gives +5% per level. ------------------ If you see me post it's because either: 1) Silly forums made me do it 2) Because I was too lazy to change characters 3) Because I wanted to 4) <insert mod comment here>
Zeonos Amarr Fairtrade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.02 16:19:00 - [59] maybe have regs like all tier 1 to 5. and the tier 2 to 5 for that single learning skill. example. mem tier 3 would reg all tier 1 lvl 5. and eidetic memory lvl 5 [center] Latest evemon
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.02 16:27:00 - [60] I'd personally like more learning skills for myown selfish reasons but for thesakeof the game I don;ntthink there should have ever been anylearning skills. Join The Fight With Promo Today

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